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sleeping with your boss for love is bad as well.

What happens if you two break up? Then, you could be fired is he/she is mad at you.

goodguy is funny.

So, explain to us why Jesus himself would turn water into wine? Or why he would have wine at his last supper?

Or are you telling us that God is saying "You cannot have a drink. . . unless its with my Son!"

ultimately, humans would not be involved in controlling a flying car. maybe if you were an expert, you'd do it, but i'm guessing for the most part, the cars would be flying themselves. If something goes wrong, the cars would probably be designed to glide to a safe landing, not just fall out of the sky. Most people's cars just don't break down in the middle of a trip for no apparent reason. There has been a series of events leading to that occurance. So, flying cars would not be more prone to this problem, and in fact, due to the percieved extra safety concern, they would be designed to be even more failsafe. And like I mentioned, they should glide to a safe landing even if all electronics fail. At that point, the basic skills you would learn (BEFORE) getting your license would come into play (like) landing a gliding car.

actually, fake fans believe he's alive too!

goodguy:
Likewise was the text in Exodus 20 a message to the Isrealites - also for christians.
If you'd read my post carefully, I never said anything commanded to the Isrealites is applicable today. You made a comment that God commanded the Isrealites only to pay tithes. You simply implied that since the commandment was given to Isrealites, then only the Isrealites should follow it. Then I pointed out that, if that was the case, the 10 commandments were also given to the Isrealites only, but it's not only the Isrealites that are following it. It is also applicable to the Christians of today. So what then stops tithing from being followed by christians of today? Please explain!

Well, tithing was commanded of the Israelites as a means of supporting the priest tribe (and entire tribe of Israel comprising at least 1/12 of the country. In fact, we know that the levites had to be more than 1/12 of Israel since Judah and Benjamin were the smallest tribes. Further, there were three tithes, the annual normal tithe, the tithe for the annual celebration, and the jubilee tithe (every three years). Additionally, if a person did not own a certain amount of livestock (earn a certain amount) that year, he/she did not have to pay tithes. Further, tithes were paid in animal offerings. If you paid with money, you had to pay EXTRA (more than 10%). The Israelites were commanded to be faithful to this:

Why - well, if they didn't, the priest class would starve, and then they would have to do other work than as priests and thus would not be able to dedicate their full lives to his service.

Now, as christians, we don't have to tithe (in most cases). Why, cause our pastors or whoever are in many cases PAID a SALARY. So, they don't need our monetary support. We were not commanded to support our preachers or pastors with tithes. Nobody paid tithes to the disciples or Paul. In fact, since we no longer worship under the same priest-synagogue that the Jews did, there is NOBODY to pay tithes to. We don't have priests who collect our offers and go intervene on our behalf with God, we get down on our kness and do it ourselves.

So, summary:

1) We are not Jews, we don't worship under the same rules and places, so there is techically NOBODY to pay tithes to.
2) We were not commaded to pay tithes to those who lead us in our worship of God. There is NO example in the new testament of Paul or the disciples collecting tithes from the christians they taught.
3) Tithes were commaded of the Israelites to support the priest class. Most of our preachers are paid a salary and some have other jobs, therefore, we don't need to support them monetarily.
4) Even if your preacher is one that must be supported monetarily, he/she is only one person - one family. . not a tribe. They don't need a full 10%.
5)Tithes were to be paid with livestock, if you paid with money, you got charged an additional percentage! That would change the actual amount to 12 or 15%, not 10%.
6)Tithes were to be paid ANNUALLY - based on what you left at the end of the year. So, if you were a cow herder, and you raised 20 cows, and needed 5 to feed your family for a year, you paid a tithe based on 15 cows, not all 20. So tithes would technically be taken from the money you had LEFT after paying bills, food, and other neccessities, not the other way round.

Mostof the above require pretty strict interpretations of the scripture. If you want to apply that scripture to TODAY - situations which are NOT covered by the scripture, (AND thus not use a strict interpretation), then your interpretation of how it applies is just as good as mine, and it is impossible for you to say that you have a better idea of what God would want than me (or vice-versa). If this is the case, I cannot say you are wrong, and you cannot say I'm not right. If that is not the case, I'm right, and you're wrong.

Another thing,

According to Christ, everything he wants for us is free. We don't have to do any works to get into heaven. All we have to do is believe in him and love others as he loved us.

This means, I don't have to pay tithes to get blessings - blessings are a free gift from God. In fact, I would be insulting God, to attempt to pay for his gift. Only one person could possibly pay any price for any of God's gifts, and Jesus has already given his life.

Imagine, you mother gives you a nice, thoughtful Christmas present to you (while you were a poor starving college student) and you pull out your check book and say, thanks mom, let me write you a check for your troubles.

Free is free, technically, when you are truely giving away something for free, you expect nothing in return. No strings attached. That is the same with the Love of God and the Blessings of God. There are no strings attached. I don't have to do anything to have God love me. I don't have to do anything to have God bless me.

I would say, "Go home Vexxy".

What would you do if you got a call from someone you thought had died?

goodguy:
Sorry to say this, but your comment is so lame.

The 10 commandments were given to the Isrealites.
The 10 commandments were given in the old testament.
But the 10 commandments are applicable to all christians.

So what are u saying? That anything commanded to Isrealites cannot be applicable to we christians of today? Or that anything written in the old testament should not be followed? C'mon! gimme a break..
Tell me, what do you call the text in Malachi 3:10? A decision?

The text in Malachi was a message to the Israelites - not to Christians.

Further, do you really believe what you said about anything being commanded to the Israelites is applicable today? I really doubt that. In the law given to the israelites, if your brother marries a woman and dies without having any children, you are required to impregnate her (without marrying her) so that you're brother's family line can continue. Does that apply to me today?

In the old testament, there were laws given for the treatment of slaves. So, you are saying that as long as I follow those laws, it is ok for me to own slaves?

If you reply NO to either of those two things, then you have just contradicted the post I quoted. Since I'm pretty sure you're about the contradict yourself, I await your more thought out response.

goodguy:
I see that those of you opposing me actually didn't attack me where I pointed out where tithing is necessary [Malachi 3:8] and that it is payable to the pastor [Numbers 18:28].

Sorry, didn't mean to let you get away. Your scripture quotations only applied to the Israelites in the Old Testament. Tithing has NEVER been commanded of Christians in the bible.

actually, i've met a few people or made no secrets about being witches. What's your point? So I meet a witch then what? They didn't have any powers either. EVEN the bible says that only God grants power to people. So, how is it that he'll give someone power to use to destroy someone else? PPL are just going "hey, lets worship the devil" and God is saying, "hmm, let me give them the power to destroy other people's business. . ahh just for fun lets see what will happen"?

grailife:
its dirty to hve s** through the anus n unhealthy, the spiritual state of the person leads them to embrace a sinful lifestyle that is completely devoid of love.

So, the spiritual state that causes someone to lie makes them completely deviod of love. . . or the state the causes them to commit adultery, or to hit their children, or the one that causes someone to steal. RIGHT?

If you are saying some "sins" are worse than others, you should go read your bible or whatever led you to think such a thing. I'm guessing your post is a big typo.

goodguy:
A man once gave a testimony/revelation of what God showed him in a vision. He said he was transcendeded to heaven and God showed him his own apartment there. He said, admist other great mansions, his own was just an uncompleted building. Then he started questioning God why his own house wasnt as well-furnished as others despite the extent to which he faithfully served HIM. Then the man said God told him that it was because he never paid his tithe.

Lucky me I never have visions like that. I'm glad I can still have a home in heaven w/o being required to pay tithes. Poor guy!

who?

well, i tried. .

your post seems to be directed against guys. . but based on the response to my earlier posts and the majority of the respondents here. . maybe the females should be the ones responding. .

WesleyanA:
and why isn't male virginity discussed here. why only women

You didn't read my posts? I was asking females if the virginity of their SO's would matter.

Z4M4eva:
Hey man, That ain't too good yo, ya don't keep secrets from a relationship. When da cat if finally let out of da bag, there's going to be BIG QUALMS , nat too good

Thats why you DON'T let the cat out of the bag.

even if she was a witch, its not like they have any power.

let me tell you a story

there was a guy who went to college and as typical college students, he had little money. Instead of giving the little money he had to the church as tithes, he kept it to feed himself. This student rarely gets sick and for the most part has met with success in his career.

Seun:
I've already mentioned www.narutocentral.com - each anime episode you download on that site weighs only 34 megabytes (instead of the normal 175mb). And you don't need bittorrent to download from them either.

The tradeoff is quality. For me whose been weaned on the 170mb+ episodes, no way I could stand the 34MB ones. .

all kisses are the same to my eyes

i'm going to be spending many years at school and I have my pride too. But, if my wife tells me she wants to work and make all the money, I'm going to let her do it. Staying at home with my kids is great. Working on my own research at home or at some lab is great too.

Just because your husband makes a lot of money, does it mean you need to be a housewife? As far as I can tell, its not like anyone is being forced to be one. It is a choice, and as a choice, there is no significant pro or con between the two if you are in a position to make it.

if my church collects a building fund, and funds for whatever it needs, then I don't need to pay tithes to support it. I doubt not paying tithes will stop me from recieving God's blessing. If I'm down to $100, and I need to pay a $80 and buy food to eat that week and have money to take the bus to school, guess what, I'm paying $0 in tithes that Sunday.

Ediyna:
This is like invitation to the wrath of God. Religiously it's forbidden.

By, who? According to what scripture?

you can usually download naruto torrents for free w/o hassle

done!

Truth or Dare?

Why you little! -- Homer Simpson

layi:
I've noticed only Nferyn has been able to do this without personal attacks and I doff my hats for him.

I'm quite sorry, I feel that once someone starts resorting to personal attacks, there is no longer any point continuing the discussion. I'm sorry for any attacks my posts may have contained.

enlighten us to the implications of this village head thing.

Well, like I've asked before, show me in the bible where it "commands" me to tithe. If it is such an important command, surely it would be clearly spelled out and there would be no way I could refute it right?

interesting question

according to the bible, the holy spirit dwells within each christian, but there is only one father, son and holy spirit and the trinity is indeed one and the same. So, we are able to quantify God into three entities, why not the holy spirit, which we already acknowledge is partitioned among all christians?

you forget layi that I am a christian.

Christians - at least at the churches that I've attended, talk about growing in the spirit. This suggests to me that there are varying degrees of closeness one can feel. I suppose you cannot technically "quantize" a continuous distribution any more than you can isolate a charge with the magnitude of a single electron. Yet, we are still able to talk about "quantities" of charge and in this discussion I think it's appropriate to talk about quantizing spirit.