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Please did anybody catch the conversation between Mwisho and Paloma?? I just caught the tail end when she was pushing her boobi into his chest and talking rubish about respecting him. Sounded like she was toasting sha.

I am happily married, thank God. But I know so many women who are married and say the only joy they have is their children. And dont say it is only this generation, many mothers in law who disturb their childrens marriages do so because they and their husbands no longer have anything in common and their childrens lives are the only things they have to hang on to. And since they dont have a close relationshi with their husbands they want to hold on to their sons or daughters. Anytime yoy hear someone has a lovely mother in law check their back ground and you will see that the parents in law had a good marriage. No woman who is happy in her husbands house will want to leave him at home and come and live with her children, even if he is sick she would rather be by his side. If he is dead and her home had good memories, she would prefer to stay there and leave her children to enjoy their own marriages.

Nice one doc. Im a medic myself and I am impressed.

I cant believe that nigerians were voting on www.bigbrother.com polls and actually expected our votes to count.
Anyway I love Uti but I am not voting this season and enriching some people when I know that due to the fact that a Nigerian won last year even if we had a saint in the house he would not win. BB also has realized that any news about Uti gets a lot of reactions and that way they make more money, so they keep writing about him on their site,( even his farting made news). Can you imagine if it was Uti that insulted Mwisho, Tanzania and Meryl on friday!! BB would have raked in good cash that day after reporting blow by blow. If I was to be paid a dollar each time Utis name appears on the site I would be a millionaire by now.

[/quote][quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=457484.msg6210448#msg6210448 date=1276491510]Your story didn't add up. If he showed up 20 years later because he went broke, what were his other children trying to share after his demise?

I didnt say he was broke, I said buisiness took a turn for the worse. He wasnt wretched when he died but was no where near the man we knew of in the 80's and early 90's.
Any way broke self is relative. For someone who was high flying with at least a house in London and other properties in Lagos, to be reduced to owning just one house in Isolo and another in the village: for him those were hard times. I believe they also assumed my aunts house and car were also his property.
Even the man with a mud hut in the village has people struggling over his property when he dies

I am a consultant bred and buttered in this country and I will always say that you cannot remove doctors from the greater society and expect them to think or act different from the greater society. We are nigerians first, then doctors, water always finds it level. I am still laughing cos in another 10 years things may go worse in the health sector. The younger ones are even more ruthless than the older ones. They just cant see what all the hype about medicine is about. Soon all you will have left are those that couldnt check out either to other forms of bizness( drs are now tailors, estate agents and deisel suppliers) or to other countries even to work as senior house officers.
And forget the crap people say about humanitarian rubbish, why dont you fly to the USA and ask Drs there to treat you free, is it not the same hippocratic oath we all took( me sha i took the physicians oath). 90 of Drs had no idea of what they were getting into.Once you were good in sciences you were steered towards medicine or engineering. Very few people dreamt of saving lives.

I have an aunt whose husband tried something similar years back.  Asked her not to work cos he didnt want his kids raised by househelps. Years later  he now decided she was a liability and kicked her out with 2 kids, forgetting that it was her salary that put him through school in the early days. Fortunately her family had some money and she was youg enough to start afresh and went into bizness. Can u imagine that the bagger showed up almost 20 years later, begging for forgiveness: when his bizness had taken a turn for the worse and the 2nd wife bailed. I wish I could say my aunt told him to take a hike, instead she was the one by his side when he died of Ca prostrate ,cleaning his ass and his spittle. All his other women only showed up at the funeral with their kids to check for their own share of what was left.
Fortunately for my cousins, my mums family made sure they got a great education, they are both doing well and so didnt need to struggle for property. The only problem they have now are their half brothers and sisters who keep coming around, with one problem or the other. They are still in school and their mum chooses to forget that my aunt trained her kids herself while she was the iyawo. Meanwhile the stupid man is dead and cant see the mess he left behind.

Whenever you complain about any Nigerian medical personnel, look at yourself and make sure you are doing the right thing wherever you are. The Nigerian Medic of which I am one, comes from the same society as you.
So why do you expect him to be different. Why should you be allowed to be rude to your clients, demand bribes before doing your paid job, sneak out of your office to go to market, hold prayer meetings instead of attending to official visitors, close early on Friday to go to the mosque even if you are a christian- but then expect thenurse or doctor or lab person to behave differently when you go to his or her office or sell yur customer fake brake pads.
You forget he may have been the customer you saw yesterday in the bank whom you shouted at or the man whose electricity you disconnected even after he paid his bill. Or he may be the person whose car brakes you replaced with fake brake pads or sold bad fuel to or the parent of that child you are failing if he doesn't pay for some extra lessons.
So instead of thinking of you the patient he is thinking of how to do the transaction in the bank before the close of day, or how to get to PHCN to reconnect her light or how he or she will get home because the brakes that you just repaired are feeling funny and making noise or about his or her child who claims to be victimized by a teacher.
Think well before you point those accusing fingers. You may just be the reason the medical personnel is behaving badly today.

Our leaders will never be acountable because we are such a docile lot who dont think we deserve better. Mende maryland which I lived in for over 15 years on the surface may not  be classified as  a slum. While there is decent accomodation available, there are also people living in zink and wooden shacks in the same neigbourhood. People also live in partially sunken houses which have been abandoned by their owners. When I used to go jogging in the mornings, you had to be careful so as not to step on human faeces tied up in nylon bags, cos there are houses there ( face me I face you) still without toilets in this decade. Chickens from other peoples houses even used to stray into my compound from time to time, not to mention goats and stray dogs which wandered around the neighbourhood.
So while many of us lived in what we considered decent accomodation, a large percentage lived in what will be described as slum conditions . And I am sure this is replicated all over Lagos.Places like Amuwo Odofin low cost houses would be considered slum dwelling in civilized nations.
Unfortunately, once any of us gets some level of comfort we build a high fence, sink a bore hole, buy DSTV and pretend to ourselves that we have arrived. Shame of a nation.

I am not holding forte for BRF or Olowolafe but i want to put down my own opinion for the record. I am not from Lagos state neither have I ever met or had any dealings with any of them but I work in the Lagos state health sector. Deux project was given the contract to refurbish LASUTH, (former GH Ikeja) and maintain the place for a while. The job they did there was and still is far above average. People who went to that hospital years ago and come in there now are amazed at the transformation. The place now looks like a hospital, there are still many inadequacies but considering the fact that it was only renovation there was just so much they could do. They also maintain the facility and as an end user I say they are doing a damn good job. If Deux project leaves LASUTH tomorrow the place will go back to looking like a jungle.
They also built several wards within the hospital (under Tinubu, I must add) and they look like decent hospital wards not like the pig pens we associate with most Nigerian government whospitals.
In Several general hospitals in the state like Ifako Ijaiye, Isolo , Badagery, Epe to name a few. They have built and equipped Mother and child units, which are four story structures. I have personally not been there but from respected senior consultants and professors that had cause to use the units at Ifako Ijaiye and Isolo GH while Ayinke house is being renovated, they have been rated 1st class in terms of design and level of equipment. Last week a very senior consultant from LASUTH made bold to say they were of the same standard as hospitals in the UK, where he had practised.
Maybe the contacts were inflated, I donut know! But from what I see on the ground especially in the Health sector good money was spent and spent well.
I guess some people expected the gvernment to award contracts for hospitals like those built by the British in 1956, which is what we are used to so cannot understand such huge amounts of money being spent on ordinary hospitals.
The problem LASUTH now has is that due to the improved conditions, the place is being over stretched, patients are now pouring in in thier thousands and the manpower levels are nowhere near adequate.

I don't know when this re-curing fight for supremacy between doctors and pharmacist is going to end. Unfortunately we are all looking up to government to pay us. As I keep saying if government would do its main job which is regulation of health services and provision of a healthy framework for health insurance, we all wouldn't be comparing our salaries. We would be out there being creative and working our butts off(pardon my language) to make our dough.
Unfortunately for other health workers in Nigeria, a lot of medical care still revolves around the doctors. The patient needs to be seen and examined by a doctor to get a diagnosis which then generates investigations and prescriptions and nursing care. Until the doctors services become less important in the scheme of things he will keep getting paid higher.
As for the nurse anaesthetist earning more than some doctors, the truth is that the service they are rendering is seen as more important hence the pay.Its the basic laws of demand and supply.

I cant live in the same house with another adult woman for more than a few months and that includes my own mum. Two captains can't head a ship and both my mum and MIL are both strong willed people and so am I. About 2 years ago my MIL came to stay, hubby was broke, so I paid for her ticket and shopped my backside off to make sure she lacked nothing. My MIL came and complained about everything, especially how extravagant I was, spending her sons money like there was no tomorrow!! At a point she started complaining that 'her son' was doing womens work cos he washed his dishes after his usual midnite snack and i had the guts to be in bed sleeping. Meanwhile, I have a full time job and also run my own bizness. I tried my best to be nice and sweet till it was time for her to go back and then told hubby I too was broke. She had to travel backto the east by road and all the usual goodies I used to buy whenever she visits were not forthcomming. By December when my usual stream off goodies did not arrive, she called 'her son', he now explained to her that all these years the stuff had been coming from me and not from him and that due to the biz climate I was shouldering a lot more responsibility around the house, so things were tight.
Since then she has treated me with some level of respect and the realtionship we had has improved tremendously. Part of what causes problems is the belief many women have that their son is perfect and the daughetr in law is just a parasite leaching off their son. Its so sad that women who are or were married and have daughters would want to treat their DIL's like crap and the sons are usually to cowardly to defend their wives. Instead beg her to endure.

Beneli,
Actually, a few Private hospitals are already doing postgraduate training, all they did was to meet up with the PG colleges requirements and were accredited. Eye Foundation in Lagos does residency in Opthalmology and I am sure their residents will be much better trained that residents where I work. They definitely are much better equiped than any govt hospital that I am aware off.
EKO hospital also has a residency programme in General Medical Practice. At the last board meeting of my PG faculty, National Post Grad Medical college, it was already being discussed. The issue of private PG training. The truth is that some private hospitals are miles ahead in their specialty than any goverment hospital and may actually give better quality of training to residents.
im in a hurry so pardon my spelling mistakes.

OTITIS MEDIA
The ear is divided into 3 parts the outer, the middle and the inner ear. Otitis media is an infection of the middle ear. The middle ear is a small space usually containing air and some small bones called the ossicles which help to transmit sound from outside to the inner ear. It has a tube connecting it to the back of the nose and is separate from the outer ear by the ear drum.
Otitis media may be Acute if its of short duration and Chronic if of long duration. The acute type is commoner in children and presents with fever, restlessness, pain in the ear which subsides when the ear begins to discharge. The chronic type is characterised by repeated episodes of ear discharge and very little pain or fever unless there is a complication.
Always see an ENT surgeon to asses the ear if it has been going on for a long time because there is a chronic form which is potentially dangerous land can lead to meningitis and brain abscess in some people.
The treatment consists of toiletting the ears, KEEPING THEM DRY, antibiotics which may be directly into the ear or oral or even abscess, the exact type depends on your ENT Drs preference.
Some investigations may be done to asses the extent f the disease and these include ear swabs, Xrays, Ct scans and hearing tests.

Beneli,
Sorry for my late reply. I came back home last week to meet chaos on the ground. First I lost a colleague who was involved in an accident while on an okada. Can you imagine !! A doctor dying in an okada accident, what upsets me the most that he even had a car but chose that means of transport to beat traffic. May his gentle soul rest in peace. It is such a waste cos he had the potentials to make a fantastic surgeon.
My domestic front was also upside down as my help of 6 years left me and I haven't found suitable replacement. So right now I am also chief domestic engineer in addition to my other 3 jobs.
What I was able to gather from the Indians I met was that there regulatory bodies were very active and strong. Government is involved in undergraduate medcal training but at the post graduate level most training is in private institutions, the pg colleges regulate which centres can train and take this responsibility quite seriously.
They also have a very strong medical insurance system which works. So most people with a decent job are insured, for those who aren't the prices appeared reasonable cos I dint see anyone negotiating.
They also patronize their home made medical equipment which while not as sophisticated as German equipment is functional and at 1/8th the price sure comes down cheaper. This way the average surgeon is able to do many surgeries and improve his skills. Imagine that the hospital I went to did over 74 surgeries and 102 endoscopes in a week. This is two surgeons with 6 residents and one anaesthetist. My unit in a teaching hospital in Lagos does this amount in maybe 6 months. It is either the equipment is not available, no electricity, no water or no porter to move the patient. That's if the anaesthetist doesn't think your list of 5 cases is too long and he has to go by 4pm.
I have an invitation to go back for observation for at least a month. I will surely take it up and study their system more.

I hope you do not mean the Nigerian Military?? Nobody should make that mistake.Although not a military personnel I worked with them for over a decade. Salaries are poor, career progression is slow, the hospitals are ill equiped and the Medical doctors and other professionals are looked down on by the combatant soldiers.

Now back to my hobby horse, Private Medical practice in Nigeria. I have just spent the last 2 weeks in India on a visit to an Indian hospital. I accompanied an ill relative and this visit reinforces what I have always felt about PP in medicine. It is our only saviour. On the street the hospital is there are over20 hospitals all privately owned and the average hospital reminds me of Eko hospital or Havana, about 4 storeys each. This does not include clinics which are smaller. They all have patients and because of competition are affordable to their country men. The doctors work hard. Typically surgery starts at 6.30 am and they close at 7pm with a break of about 3 hours for lunch. Cos I am a colleague they were glad to discuss their system with me and everything they said made it apparent that we need to look more at private practice. The issue of Nigerians depending on Government to run hospitals where a grade level 12 officer that never smelt the gates of medical school decides which equipment you have doesn't occur. I tell you that if more doctors in nija go into pp to give quality service and are ready to work hard and not cut corners you wont believe how much advances we will make. Right now its 8pm and I am in the hospitals library which will dust some teaching hospitals departmental libraries in Nija hands down.

Deuteronomy 25:5-6
If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husbands brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the dutiy of a brother in law to her. The first son she bears shall carry the name of the dead brother s that his name will not be blotted out from Isael.
Then read Mark 12 :18-27
V19 Teacher they said Moses wrote for us That if a man brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and have children for his brother
In verse 24 Jesus did not condemn the practice he only said that in heaven the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage.
So does this mean the practice is right and biblical. Why do we condemn it anytime we hear of a widow being forced to marry her ex husbands brother.
If you dont keep this law that was clearly stated, stop making noise about a law that does not even mention the word trousers.

PARDON my long sermon.I believe that there are many doctors in Nigeria that should be sued. But also I beleive the average Nigerian expects miracles from the doctors in this environment. The Nigerian doctor is first and foremost a NIGERIAN its just because health is involved all his or her failings are magnified times 100.
Having worked mainly in government hospitals I will tell you that some doctors are performing miracles considering what they have to work with. Many patients come to hospital only after they have attempted to treat themselves either at chemists or with Native medicines of which neither they nor the doctor have any idea what they contain or the names or they have prayed and fasted all the while getting worse. Then they come to the doctor expecting a miracle and some will even lie about everything from the duration of illness to previous attempts at treatment.

Next the doctor is expected to miraculously make a diagnosis with his bare hands and with none functional laboratories- ( a very large and busy teaching hospital has only one microbiologist serving a patient load of over 500 patients a day with ancient obsolete equipment and eratic power supply). If he needs an urgent xray it may take anywhere from 3 to 48 hours because there are only 2 or 3 radiology technicians on duty serving about 300 patients a day again he can only work when there is electricity. The patients dont make it any better. I have had patients refuse to do any investigations or even take the drugs prescribed come back months later and complain symptoms are getting worse.


When a patient requires admission there are only 2 nurses on night duty on a ward with 30 patients- Imagine them giving drugs that should be administered every 3-6 hours, taking vital signs , dressing wounds, cleaning up patients that may soil themselves and feeding those that cant feed themselves.Each patient may require 1hrs attention or even more-please do the maths. Remember that these nurses are human beings and not robots.
God forbid if this doctor character needs to operate at night, the average teaching hospital will have one anaesthetist and a maximum of 3 residents on duty and if you are lucky 2 scrub nurses. And if it is a busy night there may be anything from 1 case to 10 casses requiring anaesthesia that night, so the patient joins the queue and waits for his turn. If that night you unfortunately have one case of multiple gunshot injury, that may be the only case that can be done and in three days time the queue can be as long as 20 to 30 emergencies.
Or what if he is the only neurosurgeon or cardiothoracic surgeon or gynaecologist or even general surgeon in the hospital and 3 seriuos cases come in that same night. He can only do what is human and not more.

I am not making excuses for anyone who is negligent but you dont give someone stones and ask him to make bread. The doctor does not work in isolation neither does he work in a perfect place. So when you sue make sure also you have done your part to make the situation in this country better because its all interrelated. The country cannot be a mess and health care or doctors by some miracle will suddenly be perfect.

All those men shouting submission are the same ones who expect their wives to shoulder responsibilities that used to be just for men in those days. If you want the woman to act like 'our mothers' then please act like your fathers. Make sure you can pay the rent without her contributions, pay school fees promptly and take care of feeding the family by yourself. Then you can come and play lord of the manor and rule over your wife and ask for submission like she is your servant. But if you want a partner to contribute to building your home, expect that she may have some desires that may be different from yours. Not every wman wants to retain her fathers name and not every man cares what his wife answers. Leave it to individual couples to decide and stop taking panadol for other peoples headaches.

Everything is an individual choice. I didnt change my name for about 3 years afetr I got married and when I did, i just added my husbands name. Since he didnt mind and I like it, we are both okay. The two names are too long so I didnt double barrel them just kept my fathers name as my middle name. It works for us, we both have similar views on may things and I guess thats why we married each other. Do what works for you, Marry whom you both have similar views and outlook to life with and Stop taking panadol for other peoples headaches.
Some women even retain thier husbands name when divorced fro the man even if they hate him and everything he stands for so bearing a name or not doesnt make any difference.

I can just imagine Eddie and Mzamo in the finals.-Update  day 70- Eddie sleeps, Eddie complains its boring, Eddie whines they took out my brother, Eddie smokes a cigar, Eddie and Mzamo talk about how they are the best in Africa. Mzamo wears a dress Mzamo drunk again. Mzamo smokes hashish, Eddie misses women ( abi they know something we dont, was he supposed to miss men) .  I dont dislike them but I cant really see  what they do apart from the fact that they are the only ones SADC think have a chance of winning against Kevin. If they have their way this show ill just die just like the last one did.

Bamboke, this thread says Doctor in the house, peoplewho come here are asking for advice from proffesionals. If you have been following the thread, by now you would know that there is no condition called Staf or Staph. At least no qualified doctor believes in such and the doctors on this site have said it over and over again. They are doing a good job, please let them get on with it.

Nigerian doctors have every right to ask who foots the bill. The materials used will definitely cost money, the generators running will cost money and the government will not reduce the tax they collect from hospitals because they are treating patients free in emergencies. I know it sounds calous but Nigerians and Nigeria can make a saint calous.  I have personally witnessed on several occasions patients rushed into hospitals as emergencies and once treated, refusing to pay.
Most private hospitals actually do not have the facilities to manage  serious gun shot wounds that usually come in at odd hours of the night. The people on duty at night are usually  junior doctors and nursing staff too is usually skeletal. Very few will be able to do emergency Xrays in the middle of the nite.If someone  is shot in the chest or head,he will need a cardiothoracic or neurosurgeon. NO private hospital in Lagos has any of these on their full time staff lit cos they are less than 5of each  in Lagos and all are staff of teaching hospitals. So the most any private hospital can do is set up drip and dress some wounds before either sending you to a teaching hospital or calling for one of the few specialists who may not be available.
But even the little they can do costs money and someone has to pay.

The Nigerian doctor is first and foremost a Nigerian before he became a doctor. So I dont see why people expect hospitals in Nigeria to be run like hospitals in UK or America. PHCN whahala affects all.NEPA or PHCN does not give hospitals (even government hospitals) any preferential treatment. Generators in hospitals are no different from generators at home or in our offices,they run on fuel and breakdown sometimes. So if you sometimes need candles and torch lights to see at home or in the office, expect that the same will also occur in hospitals.

Iyara, today is handwashing day. great. Well today I saw 63 patients with one junior collegue assisting and no running water in the clinic. If I refused to attend to those patients cos I couldnt wash my hands some of you would cuss me out. Did I have time to remember that today is handwashing day? Hell no! Did I have time to wash my hands after each patient ? Capital No! Were there gloves to examine these patients , the answer again is No. So whom am I to be celebrating hand washing day. And yes I am complaining bitterly.

A freelance cameraman's appendix ruptured and by the time he was admitted to surgery, it was too late. A self-employed mother of two is found dead in bed from undiagnosed heart disease. A 26-year-old aspiring fashion designer collapsed in her bathroom after feeling unusually fatigued for days.


Paul Hannum's family members say he probably would've gone to the hospital earlier if he had had health insurance.

1 of 2 What all three of these people have in common is that they experienced symptoms, but didn't seek care because they were uninsured and they worried about the hospital expense, according to their families. All three died.

Research released this week in the American Journal of Public Health estimates that 45,000 deaths per year in the United States are associated with the lack of health insurance. If a person is uninsured, "it means you're at mortal risk," said one of the authors, Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.
www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/, health.insurance/index.html -

Please read this article. Did doctors in America not swear to the same oath that Nigerian doctors swore too( ANd please no one swears to the Hippocratic oath anymore). Has any body heard of the American senate making it a crime for a doctor not to treat a patient without insurance. It is only in Nigeria that we want the best of everything for free, health, education etc. Medical care is not free anywhere in the world. Where it seems government pays, people pay taxes to fund it and the practitioners are always paid. Someone must pay either as taxes, insurance or cash. Better soup na money kill am even if the soup is health care. It is only in communsit countries that it is ever 'free' and go and read about the quality of care they get.

Nigerians should not take part in BBAfrica, I said it before and I say it again. If Mnet cannot do BB Nigeria let us call their bluff. Must they spit on our faces before we choose to respect ourselves. Up till now there are no updates on the fight. They uploaded the videos but left out the main fight and showed the nicer parts which were bad. As I alwayssay we have numerical strengh, if we say BBN or nothing they will give it t us. They are making so much money from us and will not allow it to go like that.

I just watched with amazement Hannington insult and abuse Kevin using the most foul language, with a guest looking on and his friends Yakub and Mzamo egging him on. I could not believe my eyes. This BBR is  becoming one nasty show where Nigeriansare concerned. The threads are full of insults and our housemates are now getting verbally assaulted. If Hannington was a nigerian we would not hear the last of it. BBR is messed up.

Maybe this time our senate should ban Nigerians from taking part in BB, unless it is  BB West Africa or Nija. If we make enough noise MNet will bow, we make a lot of money for them . See Project fame, Idols etc. Since they started the West African versions how many Nigerians watch or remember that there is a South African version. The last one I stumbled on was so dry I couldnt even follow it. At least our money is not gong into getting us insulted. We have a weapon that we forget, our numbers . If we say we want our own shows loudly enough they will agree. Those guys are businessmen.

When Nigerians start talking about American health care system I laugh. Right now the gratest fight Obama has on his hands is the Healthcare reform bill which is aimed at providing health insurance cver for all Americans. The situation now is that anybody without insurance cover is only entitled to emergency care at designated emergency centres. You cannot because you are an American rush into any private clinic with a gunshot wound and be treated. If you go to a privately run ER without insurance you can be turned away cos for them someone has to pay. The sytems in right thinking countries is that government provides emergency services which include ambulance services which are widely available so if you have a problem youcaneasily cal 911 and be attended to. Lagos state is trying to do something like that and I pray they get there sometime soon. So as I say stop treating the symptom and treat the cause. Even if all private hospitals open their doors to every accident victim , most are not equiped to handle 90% of the cases. I work for government and I get called out at all odd hours for emergencies, that is my job. In all the government hospitals I ave evr worked no body has been turned away for not having a police report.

Sagamite, you may not be thinking about cost but the doctors have too. When my sis in law was shot and rushed to a big hosp no names mentioned, She was attended to and first aid was given. Other people were also brought in and treated that night. When the bill was given, one of the guys started cussing out the hospital and its management.  Meanwhile a surgeon had been brought in from outside to do surgery on them and since he is not their staff the hospital must pay. I asked the guy why he didnt go to the General hospital  which was less than 100metres away. Can you imagine that he said he wasnt sure they had facilities. And I know this guy could have afforded the bill without hurting too much. That, I tell you is the typical Nigerian that private hospitals deal with everyday.
Doctors are human beings like you. So unless you can search your concience and tell me that anytime you have seen a serious accident you stopped to help the victims -dont judge doctors.