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twinskenny:
Just electrical?

No Firealarm, no CCTV?

twinskenny:
Client...Kenny please get me a conduit pipes that doesn't break when bending... here you go sir but but price double the popular one?

Go ahead
Thank you sir

EgunMogaji:
Can anyone guess the dimension of the footprint of this house?

Thanks.

spyder880:
I also commend him for that approach in cost determination and want to say that I used a lot of those methods in years past. He is using the method we call "daily pay/counting" method to do the calculations, I also used the space measurement approach , it's either I calculate in "partitions" or in "square metres" . Now I estimate plastering in "whole" contracting. Let me explain.

Daily pay method.

This is the method of plastering where the owner or supervisor gives out the job of plastering to artisans by paying them daily, with a predetermined amount of money. The person serving the plastering guy will also be paid daily. This is the oldest method I met in the field. The older artisans were doing great works with it, until lazy people made that method inefficient. People started coming to work late, with boxes of snuff, and will take a snuff break after about every 30 minutes just to delay the work. Ditto for smoking break, breakfast and lunch breaks, even long phone call breaks. We had to change the system, if not, these men can keep working on a house for one year!

The partition/square meter counting methods.

We had to quickly change to the counting method and it solved a lot of delays in the previous method, but could be disastrous if not well monitored. You give out the work by counting partitions (every 12 feet) and agreeing a rate for the plastering. The artisan could pay his server and up the rates or you agree a rate with the helpers too. The artisans will usually go for the easy places first. The places they can do while standing on the ground. They will change the tone as soon as those soft areas finish, they will start singing another song, you have to renegotiate for the part on scaffolding, the bottom of the decking, corners and edges, parapets, dressings and designs. This could be tricky, and many artisans abandon the project at this difficult stage. We had to do something again.

The whole house contract

This method will mean you do your own due calculations, determine the number of walls, inside and outside, points to note are the tricky areas, style of designs and the expected challenges. Then you find an artisan and negotiate cost of plastering. A whole sum will be agreed to and you pay them according to what they have done. You can then easily supervise their quality and speed of work.

Let me add here that the quality of work done in Nigeria is always shambolic, not only in the plastering or building sector, a Nigerian administrator is usually a perpetual under performer, a Nigerian medical doctor will give you a terrible service if you are not a good paying client, a Nigerian motor mechanic will damage your fine car and still demand you pay him, and it goes on and on. I think it's the system, the system that makes it easy for people to manipulate the system. Our duty should be to identify those workers who have shown an interest for quality works, to retain them and pay them better as an incentive to future quality works, we also need to retrain workers and show them the latest methods of doing things better.

spyder880:
Are you saying that the cost of plastering a 5 bedroom duplex is N72,000?

Wow!

kopell:
My brother you're very wrong, as poor as Nigerias are in Naija easily someone can give you 10k for doing nothing. I mean doing nothing! for he or she. Here you may have to work hard for that $25, no one gives you money out here for free. So please get that impression right Many here can testify on that ok. Mind you $25 is not peanuts. Let it be very appreciated with great respect from anyone who comes to Naija from abroad and give you or anyone naira equivalent of that amount, it's not a joke to make money here no matter what one does for living. So pls get that right and clear.

EgunMogaji:
I prefer not to really go down this path of debate. We’ve had it before. There’s no point because they’re different landscape.

All I wish for is standard of pricing in materials and labor in Nigeria.

This is not about Nigeria versus USA.

EgunMogaji:
The building industry needs to come up with a pricing structure.

This will help greatly.

allCopacetic:
Cheat Him ??
How much does your friend consider a fair cost for running the whole electrical for a three bedroom, all rooms en suite flat?


Don't be deceived, the quote and possibly the "electrician" fall short by a long mile.

Get a “REAL” professional or a seasoned technician who knows what he’s doing. Not people who tell you what you want to hear, or just give you a quote you feel is gentle on your pocket. That choice can cost you greatly in the future. If you are confident in the skill of this person, Negotiate a fair labour price and request a 'standard' bill of materials which you can buy to your taste, keeping in mind the need for quality. buy one item a year if that is what it takes to give you a sound job and peace of mind. There is no sense in rush if you are rushing in the wrong direction.

As a side note , It is not wise to put too much pressure on an artisan for a cheap job. They have mouths to feed and would sometimes be forced to do whatever it takes to keep the job, Often to your own detriment. So Strike a Balance with bargaining . I just hope your friend is not the one unknowingly forcing the electrician to give him unrealistic quantities and prices.

With the mention of stablok fuses I am sure the Distribution board is in place. Take a look at the board and make sure it’s a good one(VERY IMPORTANT).
By the way, D-Boards usually come complete with the fuses/breakers so I’m guessing the guy just billed 5k to make some quick cash (unless you guys elected to buy the board without the fuses at the time, which is very unlikely)
5k cannot buy you 12 pcs of any good stablok fuse.

Timtol:
This is my humble view concerning this sir.
It's already done but for future's sake, it's better to use 9'' blck for external walls y all the internal walls will be 6".
I hope it's helpful.
We use the method in some cases for some certain clients.

samally:
Ankara is not cheap
superwax,hollandis and co cost nothing less than 35K above for 5yard is that what you guys called cheap?

9jvirgin:
Ankara is relatively cheap, why do you have to go through all these for what you can buy anytime?

I don't get.

supersystemsng:
As an entrepreneur that has started many stuffs here and there, whose last business crashed a while back, i can say don't fall for the negativities....do your research work and shoot...playing risk isn't cool...go for it...

supersystemsng:
You think i didn't drop any advice because you didnt read patiently Sir...

I have written books and won't sell them...

I said over capitalization will force funds into experimentation rather than spend them on other outlets that would impact the business significantly..

My advice to every person going into business is the same, whatever amount you wish to invest, save half, invest just half...

lucrownt:
I'm impressed to see this on Nairaland, by the way you ought to have diversified your investment. God forbid bad thing, we are all aware that chickens are prone to several illnesses particularly flu. Did you know that with that 7.5m you can earn a Geometric Progression pattern income.. Let's say you invested 2m in poultry, 2m in cash crop farming, 2m in stocks/shares or treasury bills and 1.5m in fishing, then you have portfolio of investments in which a low risk in one investment will cover for the higher risk in another.. Though the higher the risk the higher the return..
God bless your hustle sir

bixton:
It's all about weight and nothing more. Having the same price has nothing to do with it. We may only argue if the price difference is insignificant at all depending on the quantity involved.

These are the various prices in my location a couple of days back when I purchased.
16mm-------3500
12mm-------1900
10mm-------1250
8mm---------1050

Do the calculations as against the quantity per ton and see which favours which and who it favours.

Timtol:
Someone said I can post link but don't kw if u all will allow without any scrutinizing words.
Sir,all bonds or sharing of link?
I see u oga,well done.
I wish to kw u better.
Pls,all the pple I have been doing wrong by seemly spamming them which was never my intension, am sorry.
All correction noted.

Good morning.

kellysam:
Like seriously, I need this but the criteria to enable one get it isn't funny at all.
Anyone with link on how I can write the English test and obtain the certificate?

spyder880:
Rather than talk politics on this thread, let us talk about the politics of building materials pricing. Did you all notice that building materials manufacturers has formed a strong cartel and are milking us all to death since the last 2 years? It started with Dangote, Lafarge, Bua and Ibeto agreeing to unify their prices so none of them can reduce to create a competition that will benefit the masses and hurt their bottom line.

Now, rod makers have been alleged to meet and fix selling prices so as to benefit them, that is the reason for the recent increases across board in costs from all rods manufacturers in the last 2 weeks. What is the minister for science and industry doing to alleviate the pains of the masses, do e just fold our hands and watch instead of finding solutions to this high prices?

twinskenny:
The second link is superb.. 1080p with 2 terybyte
But wish the tvl is up to 1000.. Nonetheless its okay

twinskenny:
if you are in Nigeria go for hikvision or realtime...
i believe u want to be able to view via mobile and laptop. go for AHD/OR HD With cloud functions
please buy the one with house old name not the one that will be difficult to configure for remote view.

when it come to cabling. go with siamese cable (power & video) all in one make sure its pure corper.

lastly make sure you purchase central power its preferred above adaptors (this prevent your cameras against surge)

good luck

BankeSmalls:
No need to blame anybody highing their price. Better soup na money kill am. If you don't have money to build, use your money and buy a jeep

Stop looking for somebody that will work free for you and end up being accused of stealing and other things. No be by force to buuld

"Always pay the full price" Robert Green, 48 laws of power.

twinskenny:
if you are in Nigeria go for hikvision or realtime...
i believe u want to be able to view via mobile and laptop. go for AHD/OR HD With cloud functions
please buy the one with house old name not the one that will be difficult to configure for remote view.

when it come to cabling. go with siamese cable (power & video) all in one make sure its pure corper.

lastly make sure you purchase central power its preferred above adaptors (this prevent your cameras against surge)

good luck

rotecch77:
Chairman Spider as said it all, the only area i see again is the cost of plywood and time to construct the formwork is a bit more costly and take more time to do than that of flat design,furthermore it take much time and a little difficult for mason to plaster the curve design.

spyder880:
Its only a matter of choice, the two designs has almost same method of construction except that plywood is used to bring out the curves while straight wood is used to bring out the extended flap design, or even the stepped design.

As long as they are all concrete cast, cost cannot vary much, but it tends to get costlier depending on the size of projection it has from the wall. The longer it extends from the wall, the costlier it becomes.

topsy23:
The man in question should focus on quality job so far the guy that will handle the plaster job is a professional. I have been to so many sites that I have to tell the clients to allow the contractor to finish the job or we start from the beginning. I have met so many clients that want to pay little amount for a complete electrical installation for 6bedrrom flat in which I decline cos there is no way I can cope with it couple with the cost of transportation and daily feeding for my workers. He later called me for the corrections of shoddy job done. He later paid more to get what he want. Quality matter most

earthrealm:
has any one tried digging the soakaway first and using it to store water?....does it make sense?..is there a way to put temp linning/water proofing to make it not to leak?.....just thinking of the hassles of finding wia to store the geepee tank everynight after work.
sumo n gen cud b put inside car

delawal:
don't mind some of these wannabes. they hype prices of things without knowing they re discouraging people. let me tell u if u judiciously manage d project it won't take u more than 2.5m. monitor the people dt buy ur materials . most times they deceive their clients wit outrageous prices. I have seen one . a site engineer who over hypes d costs of materials and steals some till we caught him.we realised he has been duping us

EgunMogaji:
1) No single level of protection will ever be as effective as multi level. Even then it's still attempt at frustrating the casual thief.

2) What was done to this window canalso he done to an embedded one. I chose non embedded because I can do a more ornate design versus the kirikiri ish embedded look.

3) Tall fence (my preference) with razor wire on top.
Mai guard.
"Trained" security dogs. Not family pet.
Sensored and protected entry points with cameras in strategic points.

Now relax, sit back and hope your number is not up with a determined crew. The isha wewes will leave you be.