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Olodostein: Good concept. Keep it up. We need more of that.

I'm very grateful. I hope you are aware that the 'stein' part of your username is 'jewish'.

Olodostein: Good concept. Keep it up. We need more of that.

I'm very grateful. I hope you are aware that the 'stein' part of your username is 'jewish'.

There's much more (very blunt) on the fake Jews (synagogue of Satan) here

Potential world record for kidnapping the most number of brethren into slavery? Do you by any chance think that Joseph's brothers were cowards for feeling sorry about selling him into slavery? Should they rather have boasted?

It seems Remo has never been Ijebu.

Mine is http://yemitom. and the focus is Nigerian anthropology and history, stuff many of our people don't yet understand.

OGAM STONE INSCRIPTIONS AND IGBO COLUMN-WRITING: A COMPARISON (Catherine Obianuju Acholonu)

No matter the friction I try not to wish evil for others. By the way, I have also criticized certain practices associated with my people some of whom have poured out vitriol in response, so know that yours doesn't bother me.

The first step to receive healing is humble admission of absence of well-being (Matthew 9:12), and we know that iniquity in the land is rampant not localized.

[url=http://sta.uwi.edu/newspics/2009/Esu%20Elegbara3.pdf]Esu Elegbara: A Source of an Alter/Native Theory of African Literature and Criticism[/url] (Funso Aiyejina)

UNDERSTANDING ASE AND ITS RELATION TO ESU AMONG THE YORÙBÁ AND ASE.T IN ANCIENT EGYPT (Asar Imhotep)


Esu: The Revenge Of Bishop Ajayi Crowther (Remi Oyeyemi)

[quote author=One_Naira]Do us all a favor and Grow a brain.[/quote]Why the focus on 'brain'?

Are you into head-hunting?
Is it that you see your fellow men as walking brain farms and prospective delicacies?
Are you tired of isi ewu?
Do you have a craving for isi 'Yoruba'?
Do you like eating human brains?
Are you from one of those extreme communities referred to earlier on this page?

An interesting discussion about (Esu (Yoruba), Shu (Egyptian) and Yeshua (Hebrew)) very much related to this blog entry can be read at
http://destee.com/index.php?threads/differences-in-kemetic-theology.31493/page-14
Here’s a glimpse as submitted by imhotep06:

In your associations above, you first need to make an inventory of the primary characteristics of the “deities” and their function in PARTICULAR stories before doing comparisons. There is no long narrative like is done in the Bible with Jesus with African mythology. There are fragmented stories and some having to do with something totally different and do not make for a cohesive picture. When we understand this, then you’ll be able to see how Esu (Yoruba), Shu (Egyptian) and Yeshua (Hebrew) are all the same deity. We can match them functionally and linguistically and that is the key (the linguistics).

What connects them all is that each one of them are the personification of the “bridge” between heaven and earth. Shu “separates” Geb from Nut. The only way to get to Nut (and further Nu/Nun) is through Shu (air). This is on a geological level.

Yeshua, the sacrifice, is the divine messenger who carries the prayers of men to God. He is the “bridge” between heaven and earth. “No one can go to the father except through me.”

Now, Esu in the Yoruba we know is the divine messenger who brings all the sacrifices and prayers to God and the Orisha. But we also know that Esu also represents the nervous system of the body. The nerves “communicate” with all the parts of the body (Orisha) and you can’t get to the brain (Obatala/White-Grey matter/God) unless you go through Esu (the nervous system).

So now we see this same function in the Egyptian geologically/astronomically in the Hebrew ritually. And what we find ritually among the Hebrews is also ritually assigned in Ifa but also plays a biological role in this system. What othe functions each system assigns to the “deity” is extra. What combines them all is their function as the crossroads, the bridge or channel between man and God. This is an introduction into Philosophical Cognancy.

I wonder why the govt still did business with Akintola Williams and Co after the Cadbury saga; I can't recall Akintola Williams ever issuing an apology. I propose disbandment and thorough inquiry into the activities of that firm since inception.

The prices at the Orchard seem to be highly escalated.

buzugee: yes they are

That Edo is brother to Jacob/Israel does not mean that Yehve (God Most High) chose Esau; but just as Esau and the Biblical people of Idumea and the synagogue of satan laid false claims to the land of Israel, so are some Igbo doing today.

(1) Do you have any clear evidence of the absence from planet earth of oyinbo people prior to the deluge?

(2)Weren't there gentile nations before the birth of Abraham? (hint: take a look at the list of Japheth's descendants in Genesis 10:2-5)

(3)Ancient historical records which are highly regarded till today indicate that the Amorites who Yehve referred to in Genesis 15:16, one of whom was an ally of Abraham (see Genesis 14:13), clearly had/have oyinbo features of aquiline noses, blond hair, fair skin, blue eyes and the likes. Do you now propose to upturn the records put down by the eyewitnesses of those times?

(4)During the time of the Maccabees the Edomites were part of the enemies of the southern kingdom of Judah (called Judea in the New Testament) that attacked her; others included the Greeks. Given that the Greeks obviously have oyinbo features, are you claiming that the Greeks descended from Edom?

buzugee: now i know you are confused. oyinbo people were not around when abraham was around. the whole planet was black. white people only came about after the destruction of the earth with the flood and the splitting of the earth into continents genesis 10 vs 25 which ironically coincides with the formation of the different races from the three sons of noah which makes me view the replenishing of the earth from the 3 sons of noah as an allegorical representation. i may be wrong.

Must you direct insults at my person because I do not share your views?

buzugee: all irrelevent nonsensical information. igbo people are israelites. the etymology of the ibo name is HEBREW HEEBOE EEBOE IBO .

edom on the other hand are the perpetual enemies of the hebrews (AMOS 1 VS 11 ) ( EZEKIEL 35 VS 5 ) ( EZEKIEL 36 VS 5 ) ( JOEL 3 VS 19 )

TWO DIFFERENT NATIONS OF PEOPLE

I referred to the name of God Most High, and certain Biblical Books in the concerned post, yet you chose to label everything as irrelevent nonsensical information. I want to believe that you recall when I reminded you of our need to be careful with our use of words.

https://www.nairaland.com/281599/official-igbo-q-thread/1#4038159

Andre Uweh: IGBO means ndi na EGBO mkpa. Those who solve problems or those who solve their peoples problems. Egbo later changed to Igbo. Igbo people are actually problem solvers.

A certain Ogiso Ere, which perhaps you refer to as Eri, was a highly regarded Edo king.

The Edomites are not the oyinbo people as the latter were around when Abraham hadn't yet any children - one of Abraham's allies was Mamre the Amotite (Genesis 14:13). The Amorites and not the Edomites have oyinbo features.

buzugee: bruh, whatever you are selling, i aint buying. igbos are jews. its just as simple as that. igbos are not edomites. edomites live in the caucasus mountains of georgia russia hence the modern name caucasians. igbos are not caucasians

Are the people of Edo/Idu also Hebrews?

Pastor AIO: I have been trying to research this process of how Ifa corpus evolves. Who has the authority to add to it and when he does how does it catch on?

Whatever the name of 'the redeemer' Jesu is a fact of nigerian life and that is what Ifa is dealing with. Facts!! There is also the mention of guns in Ifa which were only introduced to Africa in the 16th century. I have even heard Odu being recited about how Telephones came to earth.
Ifa is so dynamic and evolving and that is what is so beautiful about it. it is not a set in stone thing like the Muslims that have a Koran that is written in Fusat Arabic that no moslem that I've ever met understands. Even those that can speak arabic still cannot read the Koran and understand it because Fusat is 7th century arabic. It is almost a different language entirely.

Yeshua is His name and there seems to be a Yoruba cognate/equivalent (hint: remove the first and last letters).

I've been wondering how it is that Ifa priests don't mention the name of God Most High but refer to HIM with titles/epithets like Olorun, Olodumare, Eleda etc.

[quote author=MILLY_RILLY]My friend, please i will advise you to believe and accept the Lord Jesus as your lord and personal Savior. He is a true friend. He came to restore mankind to God. if you allow Him into your live, you will be filled with the wisdom and power of God. Jesus is the wisdom and power of God. As per what He did for a living, His father supplied all His needs from Heaven according to His riches in glory. God is all sufficient. The riches in Heaven, the riches on earth and the riches beneath the earth belong to Jesus' father. Scripture says he that does not believe in Jesus has made God almighty a liar. Please i will advise you not to mock at Jesus. Please try to know Him. Moreover, no knowledge is lost.[/quote]Are you not ignorantly advising him to accept Zeus/IeZeus/Baal?

How can someone who thinks the names of the Father and Son are God/Lord/Jehovah and Jesus/Lord respectively be a 'born again'?
Didn't the Father mention via His prophets that He will gather His scattered sheep and pour His Spirit on them?

buzugee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKry96WkvUw&feature=related

The video has been removed from YouTube but I had already watched it. Weren't the Igbo? Israelites of Nigeria people in the video (from 16.05s to 18.09s) who were dressed like jews speaking satan's tongue?

Pastor AIO: Hi Odutola, yes o, Dinlogun is an african system.  It is the divination system of the Orisha cults.  Orisha is different from Ifa.  Ifa incorporates Orisha, but then Ifa incorporates everything.  There is even christianity and islam in Ifa. 

Pekutu yeke pekutu yeke
awo Jesu lo difa fun Jesu
Nijo ti ntorun bo wale aye

Pekutu yeke pekutu yeke
The Awo of Jesus divined for Jesus
on the day that he was from heaven coming down to the world

This verse is from Owanrin Ogbe. 

A lot of people are not really aware of the differences.  In fact each orisha has a cult all of it's own.  Obatala devotees have their temples and their priesthoods, Sango devotees have their temples and their priesthoods, etc etc.  Priestesses are called Iyaolorisha, and priests are called babaolorisha. 

In Ifa too, the priests are called Babalawo and Iyalawo.  The two religions each have their own divination systems.  Ifa has Ifa and the Orisha have the Dinlogun.  There are so many divination systems in yorubaland.  Ranging from simple casting of lots, to a system called Ibo to the Ifa with all it's intricacies.  Ifa and dinlogun both share their basis on the number 16 (hence the name erindinlogun).    However the divination tools are different.  Ifa uses Opele and Ikin.  Orisha priest use cowries shells which they throw and then count the number of shells facing up. 

The various Odu have the same name but they are arranged differently.

I am at the moment going through the Ifa order which starts at Eji Ogbe then Oyeku, then Iwori, Odi, Irosun, Owonrin, Obara (we're on Obara at the moment), Okanran, Ogunda, Osa, Ika, Eturupon, Otura, Irete, Ose and finally Ofun.

The Orisha order is as follows.

Okanran - 1
Eji Oko (another name for Oyeku) - 2
Ogunda -3
Irosun - 4
Ose-5
Obara -6
Odi - 7
Eji Ogbe -8
Osa - 9
Ofun -10
Owanrin -11
Ejila (another name for Iwori) - 12

The Orisha system is very much a numerological system and bears a lot of resemblance to the numerology in other cultures.  The numbers of the odu are very important. 
There are four more numbers 13 to 16 simply called etala, erinla, arundilogun, and erindinlogun.  They represent the odus ika, eturupon, otua, and irete.  Orisha priests do not read these odu.  The issue is often referred to an ifa priest if these come up. 

From now on I'll try to bring in some verses from Orisha lore as well as Ifa as I continue through the Odu.  I'll stick to the Ifa order though.

This raises serious questions! Jesus/Jesu has never been the name of the Redeemer but seems to be of the Biblical beast. Whoever added such a verse to the Ifa liturgy needs to be checked out.

buzugee: all irrelevent nonsensical information. igbo people are israelites. the etymology of the ibo name is HEBREW HEEBOE EEBOE IBO .

edom on the other hand are the perpetual enemies of the hebrews (AMOS 1 VS 11 ) ( EZEKIEL 35 VS 5 ) ( EZEKIEL 36 VS 5 ) ( JOEL 3 VS 19 )

TWO DIFFERENT NATIONS OF PEOPLE

Haven't the Igbo acted as the perpetual enemies of the Yoruba? Didn't the Igbo come out of the Edo kingdom?

I'll soon post an article on my blog with arguments for the Igbo as the same ol' Edomites. Don't let confirmation bias get the better of you. Once again: the Igbo are not Israelites!

Odumchi, I feel that there may be a kidnapping trend/pattern as the areas of Igboland today regarded as notorious for kidnapping for ransom might be the same areas in the past notorious for the kidnapping of people as trans-Atlantic slaves and for feasts. If so the implication is that your people should focus on re-orientating the psyches, including value for human life, of people from such areas so as to quench the obnoxious act.

And I do have friends who are Igbo but the feelings displayed on NL...

Nnenna1: ^^^Didn't read the piece, but wanted to ask - do you generalize real, historically documented facts on Yoruba Obas eating human hearts as Yoruba desire to eat human flesh?

It is so funny when tribalist, insulting, hypocritical bigots act all afrocentric.

Try harder.

[quote author=One_Naira]What a dumb@ss you are and proudly displaying it. Did you even bothered reading Oluadah Equiano book before using him for una bigotry. He mentioned cannibalism only once in that book, pick it up why don't you. He was terrified the Europeans were going to eat him due to the rumors he's heard of them taking men and women out of the community and none of those men and women are ever heard again by anyone. I don't know where the OP of that blog got the bitter-leaf and all that other bullsh1t from but it was not from oludah equiano biography.
Do yourself a favor and grow a brain.[/quote]One_Naira, I suggest you take a look at this link to sample pages of a book "Among the Ibos of Nigeria" written by G.T. Basden

http://books.google.com.ng/books?id=sHay1vHhfP4C&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=asije+oba+benin&source=bl&ots=VS1gGEZBC1&sig=BOLC1XXYxDVP_EBVIjAKsDGe-Nw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0COBT-DLFoWx8QPy8ej_BQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=asije%20oba%20benin&f=false

Kindly read pages 127-128 and let us know your thoughts on his description of the Igbo desire to consume human flesh.

[quote author=One_Naira]What a dumb@ss you are and proudly displaying it. Did you even bothered reading Oluadah Equiano book before using him for una bigotry. He mentioned cannibalism only once in that book, pick it up why don't you. He was terrified the Europeans were going to eat him due to the rumors he's heard of them taking men and women out of the community and none of those men and women are ever heard again by anyone. I don't know where the OP of that blog got the bitter-leaf and all that other bullsh1t from but it was not from oludah equiano biography.
Do yourself a favor and grow a brain.[/quote]One_Naira, I suggest you take a look at this link to sample pages of a book written by G.T. Basden

http://books.google.com.ng/books?id=sHay1vHhfP4C&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=asije+oba+benin&source=bl&ots=VS1gGEZBC1&sig=BOLC1XXYxDVP_EBVIjAKsDGe-Nw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0COBT-DLFoWx8QPy8ej_BQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=asije%20oba%20benin&f=false

Kindly read pages 127-128 and let us know your thoughts on his description of the Igbo desire to consume human flesh.

Igbo are not Israelites as the Israelites called themselves Eve and not the anglicized Hebrew.

buzugee: stop following african american egyptologists. they are confused. they are following their first slave masters in their quest for an identity. their first slave masters are the egyptians or modern day somalians. egyptologists come up with different names for africa. caucasians are edomites. the pride of caucasians obadiah vs 3
the skin color of caucasians genesis 25 vs 25
the superiority complex of edomites daniel 8 vs 25
edomites presenting themselves as jesus and the real jews 1 maccabees 3 vs 48
takeover of the world by edomites under alexander the great 1 maccabees chapter 1 verses 1 to 10

what more proof you need cuz i got a millions of em. let me know if you need more prrof. and be sure to read those verses i supplied.

Igbo Nation. The process of possessing the remnant of Edom seems to have involved the introduction of Jacobian DNA into the Edo gene pool, and culminated in the splicing out of certain Edomite introns that were expressed as such phenotypes like reddish and hairy skin, materialism, envy, hatred for Israel, dubiousness, hedonism and disregard for walking with Yehve. Such phenotypes were traits of Esau and his descendants as well described in Ezekiel 35 and the Books of Obadiah and Jasher. The introns seem to be harboured today by the Igbo who have consistently done to the Yoruba similar actions that the Biblical Edomites did to Israel.

Perhaps we can say that the ligation of Israelite and Edomite exons plus the splicing out of Igbo introns, which is like grafting Esau into Israel, was necessary to ensure the continuity of Esau’s descendants and can be seen as proof of Yehve’s enduring mercies as He had also said no man would remain in Edom.
The Igbo people whose homeland is Southeast Nigeria around the lower River Niger left the Edo kingdom in a great migration southwards and eastwards during the 18th century after a rebellion that resulted in internal strife. Many Edo peoples migrated southwards after this incident to found new kingdoms including the Urhobo, Agbor, Isoko, amongst others. They can all be identified by their fondness of the red color as seen in their attires, and their region including the Igbo homeland is where oil palm trees – from which the reddish palm oil is extracted – are cultivated the most in Nigeria. However, only the Igbo seem to have the distinctive reddish and hairy skin.

buzugee: Deuteronomy 7 vs 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession (asian and west african are man created tags put on you. africa is the name of a roman general called leo scipio africanus and asia is the name of his brother called leo scipio asianus. they both conquered the lands and named them after theirself fulfilling the psalms 49 vs 11 prophesy )

Someone has demonstrated that the name AFRICA is derived from AFRRAKA/AFURAKAIT.

Caucasians are NOT the Edomites!