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Haven't these foreign oil companies been carrying out the functions of govt like provision of roads, schools, water, and the likes which the govt has refused to do? Haven't the South-Sough state governments been chopping the funds meant for developing their states?

Sky Blue:
Apologies but any ideas to stir up cyber activism based on this grainy picture might be futile because the picture itself proves nothing. Not saying I don't believe the money on the table are proceeds from bribe taking, but what if when challenged they say they were simply gathering money to send someone to Mr Biggs or Mama Betule, then what? How can you prove it not to be the case? We tend to get emotional and think before we jump. Any attempt at pursuing these sort of things further would need more air tight evidence like videos, more detailed pictures of the process of actually taking bribe, etc; not a bunch of guys in uniform counting money around a table.

very objective

aribisala0:
looks to me like detectives processing EVIDENCE for a crime

could very well be

Any pre-1960 (independence) pictures?

Jacob described a ladder that he saw, and the Yoruba talk of a chain.

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delusions of intellectual grandeur?

What does Islam say about dark-skinned peoples?
How are Christians and Jews to be treated?
Does Islam say anything against slavery, especially of dark-skinned people, and the trans-saharan and east African slave trade of the of the recent past?

Can it get LASTMA confused?
Where's the exhaust?
I've entered danfo from the back before during rush hour. Surely the Prof/designer couldn't have had me in mind, or could he?
Is it meant to deter and/or confuse prospective car snatchers and assailants?

What if the name Osangangan really had to do with citrus fruits? Remember the musician who called himself Atawewe. What if he had a farm of ginormous citrus fruits?

siamese wheel drive?

HISchild, don't be discouraged.

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What if the Yoruba met the Opa Oranmiyan there and wove a story around it?

If Jerusalem is Eden where then is the Garden?

I didn't say that Ifa is bad. My opinion is that many who claim to be experts have tried to pollute it with hagiolatory. Note that some Ifa verses make mention of "heavenly knights of doom" being sent to earth sometime past to kill false diviners, including those who divined lies and used erroneous divination methods. Weren't such diviners teaching as tradition the doctrines of men? GOD is good, as the Son teaches.

It seems you didn't get what I was driving at. Check out the physical features of the Amorites as described on wikipedia and other sources and compare with Genesis 15, especially the part about Abraham's descendant's serving as slaves for 400 years in a strange land. Ask yourself what the iniquity of the Amorites could mean. The Israelites weren't enslaved in Egypt for up to 400 years (check it out yourself in the book of Exodus).

Don't many who call themselves Christians practice idolatry with various images? If you were born like 500 years ago in this part of the world who would you have been worshiping? As for me, I don't know what I would have done but I thank God Most High for HIS grace upon my life.

By the way, I doubt that Lord means supreme in authority considering how the word is used in the British kingdom where lords have no throne.

Should those in southern Nigeria thank God Most High for the mosquito and tse-tse fly?
Weren't the mosquitoes and tse-tse flies used to "prevent" the oyinbo and Fulani Jihadists from overrunning making a complete end of them.

Rgp92:
No, im not a God!
could you explain yourself better please? :/

I didn't say you are GOD. Weren't you and I created to be sons of GOD? What does Orunmila's oriki say about the orisha (saints)? For us to move forward we have to do away with hagiolatory. Where was it ever mentioned that Our Maker instructed us to engage in hagiolatory?

exotik:
wot does this name mean in yoruba? this sounds edoid to me.

more like a corruption of osanaga obamekhin

meaning

osanaga -- the god to serve
obamekhin -- i am the king

so it would be nice to know the yoruba meaning.

Won't anyone respond to exotik's contribution?

Look at the hairstyles of the 2 men dancing in the picture and compare with that of the Nok figurine. They look exactly similar.

Rgp92:
What are you trying to say? That dark skin people are stvpid for beliving in many gods?

Aren't you a god? If so why then should you worship your ancestors if they were like you?

As for Nok, compare the hairstyles of the images below:
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_nok_1.jpg
Nok terracotta

https://planetsinternet.com/LA-KPA%20WULOMO%20DANCING%20OF%20THE%20KPA%20WITH%20THE%20LA-KPA%20AND%20HIS%20ROYAL%20STAFF.jpg
2 Ga-Adangbe men dancing

because the idea of a thunder god was a figment of imagination that arose out of the desire of some people to worship something they thought they could physically touch and see? Did Olodumare ever say that Sango should be worshiped as a god or was it an imposed tradition of men? An imposed and fictitious tradition that has resulted many in dark-skinned peoples being soiled in vomit (slavery, confused oral history, lack of knowledge and restraint)?

How is Shango a god? Was the old thunder god banished or sent to some kind of old people's or god's home?

Baal is said to be a Canaanite word that is translated as Lord. In the Yoruba language there is a title known as Baalẹ held by men which means father of the land as it is derived from baba ilẹ - baba is Yoruba for father while ilẹ is land/ground/earth. As baalẹ is linguistically equivalent to baal it is reasonable to accept that lord means father of the land.
The baalẹ is the head of a Yoruba community where there is no Oba (king) but is not the king as he has no crown and is thus of a lower rank.

This translation of baalẹ would be nonsense though if it is actually derived from Oba ilẹ.

Perhaps the present inhabitants of Nok are not the original inhabitants but settlers who met the place empty. Also, note that the Fulani Jihad resulted in people migrating from their homes to high places and mountainous regions in Nigeria so their stories may be worth looking at.

Lake Chad used to be much larger, perhaps large enough to have been considered as a sea. The Sahara used to be wetter and with (longer)rivers, likewise Egypt. The implication is that movement across the Sahara/Sudan would have been much easier then with boats - remember the Dufuna canoe.

Didn't the Greeks/Romans/British/Spanish/Portuguese/Arabs try to wipe out our history?

Is this worth considering for Ijebu migration, though no sources are cited?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobalufon

I'm posting on a cellphone so forgive any odd breaks and the lack of more supporting links. I'm more than happy to discuss this topic (West African historical ethnography, specifically what's called the Niger River Basin including modern Nigeria) in much more detail but Nairaland isn't really the best venue for a serious discussion. Hope that doesn't come across as condescending--it's just an observation based on the tone people use here. Since we're all busy people, I want to be clear that I can only e part of civil discussions, not insults and ignorance.

Some people ignore the the tones and wade across to get to the knowledge they need. For some, this may be the closest they can get and the most accessible medium.

My earlier point was that there is no direct evidence to link ancient Egyptian and classical Yoruba or Edo cultures. The cultures are separated by a gulf of time (the current site of Ile-Ife was a collection of hamlets when Egypt was overrun by Assyrians and much of its native impressive culture abandoned). What followed were centuries of Greek and later Roman rule. This is an important point because if we link the rise of Ife around 500 AD to Egyptian influence, we will basically be agreeing with the racist historians and anthropologists who thought Greeks, Romans and sundry mythic Atlanteans were responsible for the refined works of art produced by that culture. I don't believe that and neither should you.

Oral tradition among the Yoruba makes mention of a flood, the extent of which may be another question. An effect of the flood may have been a considerable gap in the occupation of Yoruba and Nok territories and I have yet to come across any evidence of the presence of the Yoruba and Edo  peoples here in Nigeria prior to 500 AD. Who knows, perhaps after leaving captivity in Assyria they migrated to the area around (Wadi)Sudan/Abyssinia and then came to West Africa after heightened military activities in Wadi.

@HISchild,
Is "Lord" an apt title? Isn't "Lord" translated as Baal? When last did you call upon the name of the Alpha and Omega instead of saying "Lord"? Are you aware of the British legacy of replacing HIS name with "Lord"? Are you sure of the spellings and pronunciations of "Jehovah" and "Jesus"? Do you call the name IeZeus? Are you aware of the iniquity of the Amorites? Do you know that slavery in the Americas was a fulfilment of Genesis 15? Have you read about the Amorites? Are you aware of the similar physical features of the Amorites and oyinbo (stung by bees)? Did the Ancient of Days instruct us to remember HIM with images and the decoration of trees(Jeremiah 10:1-10?)? Did the Temple design ever include an image on the Mercy Seat (atonement piece)?

To assert that Oduduwa was fro Benin would mean that Ifa is from Benin (including all the 16 Odu) and that Yoruba people who bear Odu as prefixes for their names (like Odutola and Odukoya) have Benin roots.



PAST OONIS OF IFE
1ST ODUDUWA

2ND OSANGANGAN OBAMAKIN
3RD OGUN
4TH OBALUFON OGBOGBODIRIN
5TH OBALUFON ALAYEMORE
6TH ORANMIYAN
7TH AYETISE
8TH LAJAMISAN
9TH LAJODOOGUN
10TH LAFOGIDO
11TH ODIDIMODE ROGBEESIN
12TH AWOROKOLOKIN
13TH EKUN
14TH AJIMUDA
15TH GBOONIJIO
16TH OKANLAJOSIN
17TH ADEGBALU
18TH OSINKOLA
19TH OGBORUU
20TH GIESI
21ST LUWOO (FEMALE)
22ND LUMOBI
23RD AGBEDEGBEDE
24TH OJELOKUNBIRIN
25TH LAGUNJA
26TH LARUNNKA
27TH ADEMILU
28TH OMOGBOGBO
29TH AJILA-OORUN
30TH ADEJINLE
31ST OLOJO
32ND OKITI
33RD LUGBADE
34TH ARIBIWOSO
35TH OSINLADE
36TH ADAGBA
37TH OJIGIDIRI
AKINMOYERO 1770-1800
39TH GBANLARE 1800-1823
40TH GBEGBAAJE 1823-1835
41ST WUNMONIJE 1835-1839
42ND ADEGUNLE ADEWELA 1839-1849
43RD DEGBINSOKUN 1849-1878
44TH ORARIGBA 1878-1880
45TH DERIN OLOGBENLA- He was a powerful warrior! 1880-1894
46TH ADELEKAN (OLUBUSE I) 1894-1910
47TH ADEKOLA 1910-1910
48TH ADEMILUYI (AJAGUN) 1910-1930
49TH ADESOJI ADEREMI 1930-1980
50TH OKUNADE SIJUWADE- 1980 Till Date

http://theooni.org/pastoonis.htm

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Members of the Celestial Church of Christ do fi ori ba ile as part of prayer and worship, 3 times especially.

Booshman:
Bini is the white corruption of "Ubinu". The name the Edo's originally called themselves.

Ile Ibinu is not the original name. Rather, they say that their ancient name was Idu. Idu is the name of their progenitor.