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What if the Benin people gave the bronze-caster from Ife - Obalufon? - the name Iguegha to show that thew welcomed him and appreciated his work?
What is the meaning of Iguegha?
What if the Benin people improved on the casting technique that they were taught?
What if the Benin people already had a casting technique and wanted to improve it, hence the invitation? What if the resulting technique was a combination of 2 traditions?

A lot of things mentioned in the Bible can be found in the Yoruba oral tradition, including the elevation of the younger above the elder, titles like Ancient of Days, the expectation of the Saviour(Ela), and many others. It is just the way Christianity has been presented by many Amorites (oyinbo) including the twisting of names. Clues are everywhere in the Bible and finding them would require a separation of wheat from chaff or not throwing the baby along with the bathwater.

Slavery in the north, south and central America and the trans-Atlantic slave trade were fulfillment of Bible prophecy about Abraham's descendants and we are almost in the 4th generation. This shatters the claims made concerning the validity of Islam.

By the way, it was not Ajayi Crowther's but Samuel Johnson's manuscript that CMS said was lost. It seems Samuel Johnson died from the shock and his brother tried to finish the work. Hence some of the details in the book may not be on point.

Works similar to the "Ife Art" were also common in Israel as the teraphims.
The Ife Art depicting a man holding a ram's horn is perhaps a clue as well. In Israel the horn was blown at certain times and on certain occasions, and will be blown again to signify HIS second coming.

If my take is faulty, the fulfillment of prophecy is not and cannot be denied since it was recorded thousands of years before it occurred.

Hasn't the Fed government been deliberately silent about the NYSC corps member that was a fatal victim of Boko Haram in Yobe?

Did the commenters read the article to the end? The Senator mentioned conditional amnesty and capital punishment. Instead of condemning him, why don't we provide a just critique of his suggestion along with the merits and demerits?

Western (Amorite) lifestyle

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=770881.msg9503068#msg9503068 date=1320711141]here's the side view of the second one:

https://www.jemolo.com/alta/imgni32.jpg

looks like a headtie to me.

you're male right? So you might not be familiar with scarf patterns.[/quote]2 kolanuts?

Why his focus on Ife and not Benin bronze artworks as well? Before colonialism, the Yoruba had been interacting peacefully with his neighbours including the Hausa (before the Fulani), Nupe, Edo and others. However, since the drawing of Nigeria some Igbo have been trying to exert/show superiority and dominance over the Yoruba, and particularly the Yoruba. Why the focus on Yoruba?

Didn't the Yoruba had a writing system before being carried away into captivity, before migration, and before the introduction of Ajami?

Isn't Igbo close to Bantu or in fact one of them?

texazzpete:
You're joking, right?
I pray your salary gets reduced tremendously so you can learn how to manage lean finances better

Proverbs 26:2. Like a fluttering sparrow, like a darting swallow, so the undeserved curse doesn't come to rest.

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Perhaps he's trying to add some humor

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-301373.0.html

I mentioned sometime earlier I know why Yoruba have the taboo that the Oba does not count his children. It has to do with something that David did after which 70,000 Israelites died.

What's the story about Olosi, Osoosi, and the 16 sons of Oduduwa?

Isn't kissing the third eye to the ground more like earthing/grounding (using electrical terminology) one's ORI?

By the way, the discussion about kun got me thinking about Olokun. I wonder if Olokun has anything to do with dark matter.

BlackLibya:
The question becomes why the Igbo people only started to believe they were jewish AFTER colonization and conversion?

They could start by providing records from their oral traditions wherein migration to this part of Nigeria was mentioned This would add weight to "Jewish connection", For instance, the Ijebu acknowledge that they migrated from the Sudan/Ethiopia axis.

Is it possible that the Igbo could be more related to the Bantu and their neighbours in southern Cameroun?

Israel and not Jews recorded their history.
Are you willing to accept that many of the descendants of Abraham are in Africa today primarily because of idolatory, and that many were carried away as slaves to the Americas by the Amorites?

The origin can be traced to the promise given to Adam and Eve in Africa.
By the way, even Christians have been warned about those who teach as doctrines the tradition of men.

Why did their ancestors do it in the first place? Did the Creator of heaven and earth give the order, or did some men start it?

Are you sure they are not doctrines of men that were portrayed as sacred tradition? Can they point to their origins?

small small o; ur choice of words is heavy and dey wan reverberate like thunder

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Aren't these sculptures more properly called teraphims?

[quote author=Nwa-Ikenga link=topic=775708.msg9470075#msg9470075 date=1320280459]From the first link: "The evidence suggests that Cain and his father-in-law Enoch (Nok) lived in what is today northeastern Nigeria. Not surprisingly there are places named after these ruler in Nigeria: Kano and Nok."

amor4ce: If you think that the links you posted should be taken as "serious" anthropological research, then there's really not much left I can tell you.[/quote]If you have nothing left to say, tat is up to you. Do you perhaps and instead have nothing right to say/something left to say/something right to say/nothing centre to say/something centre to say/nothing roundabout to say/something roundabout to say/nothing over to say/something over to say/nothing under to say/something under to say/nothing all over to say/something over to say?

I never mentioned that the links I posted should be taken as "serious" anthropological research.

I gave an example of the Ijebu and Itsekiri. Did that fall under pseudo-evidence?
What constitutes evidence and what makes evidence pseudo?
Is it not language similarities that have been used to lay claims to the town of Warri by different groups, and arguments by some Edo people about the person of Oduduwa?
Have you come across the study of (1) anthropological linguistics and (2)comparative linguistics?
Is Asaba Igbo?
Have you ever wondered how the concept of language families was introduced, and how they were studied and grouped?
Would you call the study of languages in the world and their families pseudo-evidence?
Would you say that those who study languages and their families engage in rubbish reasoning?

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=767659.msg9467197#msg9467197 date=1320250915]There is no Yoruba that believe we descend from Israelites or Arabs.  I have said plenty times and I continue to believe that the Yoruba tongue is not indigeneous, it is Old Hebrew.  I also believe that individual sovereigns within the Yoruba commonwealth were co-locators and co-migrators with Lamarudu from Canaan, Yemen, Axum and indeed Nubia towards Kanem and South westward into Old Oyo before they spead southward toward the coast.  Yoruba is proto-semitic and not a descent of any of the modern day semitic at all but indeed an independent sovereignty and race with its own social structure and belief system.

Were there pre-existing natives on the land before the Lamarudu footprint, yes definitely there were but the arriving peoples' culture and customs became dominant culture and philosophy of what is today the Yorubaland in Nigeria. 


This is different from the Igbo perspective which continuously believe and claim descent from Jews.  It does not matter if you said it or someone else said it, the fact that majority of your people believe and pursue that association with a Jewish ancestry makes it equally true and applicable for you as a member in that social group. 

Fool, let us know when you find your Judea.[/quote]For instance, the Ijebu and Edo peoples

Rgp92:
Leave bible out of this. We got nothing to do with it.

If that is your conclusion where are your reasons and evidence.

I have my own brain and you have yours. How on earth can my reasoning be exactly similar to yours?
By what authority and rubrics did you arrive at "rubbish reasoning" on my part? Did you create me?
Couldn't you provide a critique of my points rather than focus on my person?
Did I direct insults at you?

I provided evidence that anthropologists use and your wikipedia link was more of speculation, but which do you think is ore acceptable to peer review?

Is it not possible for different peoples to have had a similar origin and worship but then disperse/disperse with time, like how some scientists say speciation occurred. An apt example that s closer to home is the relationship between the Yoruba and Itsekiri. Oral traditions has it that they are like brothers, the Ijebu say that the Itsekiri speak the original Ijebu dialect, and linguistic evaluations have indeed verified the common origin. This particular divergence has taken about a millenia. What then would you say for the ones that are over 2000 years old?

In Yoruba oral tradition there is Ela; also Olofin Ala.

The names Nod, Enoch, and Nok are linguistically similar. Check out these links of essays written by an oyinbo woman:
http://jandyongenesis..com/2007/08/is-land-of-nod-region-of-nok.html
http://jandyongenesis..com/2010/12/are-names-enoch-and-enosh-equivalent.html
http://jandyongenesis..com/2011/01/african-naming-practices.html

Genesis 4:16. Cain went out from Yahweh's presence, and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Genesis 4:17. Cain knew his wife. She conceived, and gave birth to Enoch[b][/b]. He built a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Where's the paper citing the dating techniques employed?
Hasn't it struck you yet that this Nok is mentioned in the Bible as Enoch?
Would you say that the carvers of the Dufuna canoe were Yoruba as well?

What if the Yoruba stopped by for a while at a perhaps abandoned Nok before moving on? Remember, even Yoruba oral tradition notes that there was a flood.


Back to thread. Is the original poster safing that Igbo people descended from the Ashkenazi and Sephardi and Khazar?