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Was Jakuta retired?
Who represented thunder and lightening before Sango ascended to the throne as the 3rd/4th? Alaafin of Oyo?

Is the original poster saying that Igbo people are Ashkenazi descendants?

What's the meaning of doba'le, ikun'le, Sungbo and Eredo?

What is the name of the person that NFF allegedly got to pray for the Super Eagles and who allegedly said the outcome would be favourable to the Nigerian team?

What church does he attend or pastor?

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In my opinion, arriving at the answer would require an understanding of the word ADAM.

By the way @poster,
do you think the flood covered the whole of the earth?
do you think the Khoisan were not walking on the earth at the same time as Cain and Abel?

What do dobale and ekunle mean?

I'm not referring to their known translations as prostrate and kneeling but their root as derived from their syllables.

What does iyuka mean as well?

Quite a number of Igbo people on this forum have alluded to a certain man named Eri or Nri as their predecessor. There have been debates which to me have been incomplete because of the dropping of names without any translation for better understanding.

My question:
What does Nri/Eri mean?

@Amujale, do you know of any Yoruba language course and/or text that teaches Yoruba vocabulary by breaking words into their roots? in mm opinion understanding Yoruba words is easier when we can understand the meaning of the syllables. For instance, how many Yoruba-speaking people can translate "Olodumare" and "eniyan" into English?

I noticed something and posted it here for debate without proffering any theory or analysis. To all those dismissing the observations,

what are your reasons?
where is your analysis?
are you trying to tell the world that many Nigerians engage in mob justice condemnation without giving any benefit of doubt?
Why not consider the Jomon, Yayoi and Kofun periods in Japan?

The Ainu are considered to have descended from the Jomon and not the present Chinese.

It is clear in the literature that Japanese archaeologists assume that the Jomon culture was co-extensive with the present national boundaries of Japan, exclusive of southern Okinawa, that everything within Japan during these ten millenniums was Jomon but nothing in Korea or Russian Primorye belonged to this culture.
http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~keally/jomon.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jōmon_period

The prophecies from his church have been coming to pass. In this case it was the team that scored the first goal that got the qualification ticket.

How come so much criticism that are filled with much vitriol have been directed at him but not at the preacher that NFF got for the Super Eagles who apparently uttered a false prophecy concerning the match?

Which church organization does that NFF prophet/pastor belong to and what is his name? If Osaze Odemwingie did not speak out we might not have been aware that NFF got someone else to pray for and with the team.

Why is it that of all the prophecies mentioned by TB Joshua it seems that those who relay them on Nairaland mention that of football, and with excitement? What about the ones related to politics, international relations, foreign affairs, etc?

The prophecies from his church have been coming to pass.

How come so much criticism that are filled with much vitriol have been directed at him but not at the preacher that NFF got for the Super Eagles who apparently uttered a false prophecy concerning the match?

Which church organization does that NFF prophet/pastor belong to and what is his name? If Osaze Odemwingie did not speak out we might not have been aware that NFF got someone else to pray for and with the team.

Why is it that of all the prophecies mentioned by TB Joshua it seems that those who relay them on Nairaland mention that of football, and with excitement? What about the ones related to politics, international relations, foreign affairs, etc?

The prophecies from his church have been coming to pass.

How come so much criticism that are filled with much vitriol have been directed at him but not at the preacher that NFF got for the Super Eagles who apparently uttered a false prophecy concerning the match?

Which church organization does that NFF prophet/pastor belong to and what is his name? If Osaze Odemwingie did not speak out we might not have been aware that NFF got someone else to pray for and with the team.

Why is it that of all the prophecies mentioned by TB Joshua it seems that those who relay them on Nairaland mention that of football, and with excitement? What about the ones related to politics, international relations, foreign affairs, etc?

donspony:
Yobo blamed the team manager.

Odemwingie blamed TB Joshua

Who's gonna blame GEJ too

Odemwingie did not blame TB Joshua.

Why not a thread that mentions all TB Joshua's prophecies as they are given?

I found some material online linking the Ainu (Anu) of Japan to Black Africa. Mentioned awas the claim that the original Zen Buddhists were portrayed as black. What do you think?

http://www.beforebc.de/600_fareast/03-16-600-00-08-02.jpg

[img]http://www.kyohaku.go.jp/jp/tenji/chinretsu/img/sinsen/s2.jpg[/img]

LEGEND: There are some traditions or even words that are highly confined in space and time. The word “Anu” is one such term which flashed through the neolithic sky of time leaving a comet trail in its wake from Africa to Japan? New York and New England were given those names by European settlers from York and England. By the same token, there are at least five African names to be found in the homeland of the Ainu: 1) Shari, 2) Saru, 3) Azawa, 4) EDO, the old capitol of Japan and now called Kyoto.

Edo is an African tribe with the same kind of masks used in Japanese Kuboki theatre, and 5) Anu. The question here is, “Are the Ainu of Japan descendents of the Anu of Africa?” For that to be so, there must be an Anu presence halfway between Africa and Japan and there was. Britannica encyclopdia writes: “The Kekayas, Madras, and Usinaras, who had settled in the region between Gandhara and the Beas River, were described as descendants of the Anu tribe.”

Yet, there should be an Anu half the distance between India and Africa and there was. The high god in the Mesopotamian pantheon was Anu. The Ainu of Japan would necessarily midway arise from the Anu of Central Asia above-mentioned. And it was from nearby Korea near India that a people came to Japan near 400 BC calling themselves the Ainu and they replaced the Jomon.

In each instance, the name bears similar meaning of "true men," “the real people” “eternal” or "eternal.”

Can the Ainu of Japan, whose name has the meaning as "the real people" (as with the Khoi Khoi – so in the same geographical region in Africa and perhaps intermingling), trace their origins to the Anu of Africa? Are they one people?

Similarities in language

What do you think?

Also from mbatuku1's link

lamurudu (in Abinisia? far east) gave birth to yahuba (where omo yoruba emanated from), while yahuba gave birth to five children among which is oduduwa, oluiwa, gogobiri and two others. after the war in saudi, yahuba died and the children returned to there grandfather, lamurudu, in memory of there father, he told them that there children/descendants should be called omo yahuba (ONO YORUBA).

oduduwa, being the eldest, left and move down to settle in ile ife, definitely, he passes thru wadai. others also moved with oluiwa moving to settle down in wadai, sudan. he later moved down in search of his brother, oduduwa. on getting to ile ife, Oduduwa is dead, so he couldn’t stay, he doesn’t want the royalty to move out, so, he gave his daughter, Gborowo to Okanbi to marry, while he continue on his journey down and he finally settled in Ijebu ode (note: he, and his entourage met Ajebu and Olode in todays ijebu ode). Ajebu and Olode pleaded he should stay and rule over them, so, he did. Oluiwa was the first Oba in ijebu ode.

after his death, there was no body to take over his position, so a message was sent to ile ife for his grandson, Ogborogamida, also known as Obanta (the son Gborowo had for Okanbi) to come and take over. he had to leave ile ife for ijebu ode (reason y some will say ijebu ode emanated from ife, its not). wen leaving, the mother, gborowo left with him, also is the oba of benin (who happens to b an elder brother). on the way coming, there was a fight between the oba of benin and ogborogamida. ogborogamida won and he wounded the oba of benin and took all his royal entitlements, the crowns and others (the reason while the Oba of benin doesn’t where a crown till date), and those around that witness the fight termed ogborogamida as “a wu ija ile bi ologina ni alakunri yi” dont mind my yoruba, simply means “this man fights on the ground like a cat” and that where the title “AWUJALE” comes from. the oba of benin went on his way to settle in todays benin ” coined fro ILE IBINU- a story for anoda day, y Ogborogamida, the mother, Gborowo and the entourage moved.

on gettin to ijebu ife, the mother fell sick, could accommodate this and died in the process of crossing a river. tradition, u know, she was buried beside the river in ijebu ife, and thereafter, the river was named after her as “OSUN GBOROWO”. the rest continue on the journey to ijebu ode.

wen they got to ijebu ode, at the front of the palace while the chiefs where inside delibrating on how to crown a new king. one of the guards in the palace seeing Ogborogamida in his outfit (on a white horse, sword on one hand, irukere on the oda, a crown on his head and other feature not worth mentioning), he rushed inside and told the chiefs “Oba kan ma wa ni ita”, thats where OBANTA emerges from. the chiefs rushed out, he introduced himself, and he was crowned the king.

there are so many stories,if u re willing to know, ask and u shall be told rather than sayin wat is not it.

fine, Awujale is the Oba of ijebu ode just like Akarigbo is the oba of just a part sagamu as we have about 16 remos in sagamu, all with there own king/baale.
As for Oni of Ife, he knows where is rised up from, he knows is not the direct son of Oduduwa,, the reason while he wont com out to talk, but its we people that talked for him

From mbatuku1's link

Olu-iwa (Obanta’s maternal grandpa and the first Awujale) migrated from Wadai (the supposed Sudan area) through Ile-Ife. In his entourage were some of his relatives and daughter (Gborowo). He decided to spend some time with Oduduwa in Ile-Ife and he later gave his daughter’s hadn in marriage to Oduduwa. Thye begot Gborogan (Obanta) as one thier 16 children. Olu-iwa continued his journey to Ijebu Ode where he became the first Awujale. Contrary to what a lot think, Obanta is the 3rd and not the first Awujale.

Anyway, if you desire more information into these facts – if you can, look for OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE REPORT ON THE FOUNDING OF IJEBU-ODE BY T.B. BOVELL JONES, DISTRICT OFFICER (MAY 7, 1943)

I have doubted that the Igbos are descendants of Jacob.
Do they dobale (prostrate/fall on their face) as a sign of respect unlike the Yoruba who some Igbo mocked for doing so? If you check the Bible you would notice that dobale is well integrated within the Hebrew tradition, including showing respect to the Kings, dignitaries, and during worship. There has been the stereotype that respect for elders is alien to the Igbo.

Sounds like the the name of the Jebusite from whom David bought the threshing floor on which the Temple was built - Araunah.

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Who can help me with the meaning of these names? I would be very grateful. I doubt if I have ever come across any person bearing these names.

PAST AND PRESENT AWUJALES

1. Olu-Iwa

2. Oshi

3. Obanta

4. Monigbuwa

5. Oba-Guru

6. Oba-Loja

7. Oba-Lofin

8. Oba-Apasa

9. Oba-Ofinran

10. Obaruwa

11. Obangaju

12. Tolumogboye

13. Lapengbuwa

14. Otutubiosun

15. Ajuwakale

16. Adisa

17. Jewo

18. Elewu-Ileke

19. Ajana

20. Olotunoyese

21. Olumodan

22. Mase

23. Ore-yeye (Female)

24. Agunwaja

25. Jadiara

26. Asapo-Okun

27. Afolajoye

28. Omila

29. Mekun

30. Gbogidi

31. Ore-geje (Female)

32. Oluyoruwa

33. Muwagona

34. Olope

35. Ayora

36. Fesojaiye

37, Rubakoye (Female)

38. Sapennuwa

39. Oniyewe

40. Boyejo

41. Moyegeso

42. Orodudu-joye

43. Atewogbuwa

44. Gbelegbuwa - 1760

45. Fusengbuwa - 1790

46. Setejoye - 1819

47. Figbajoye Anikilaya - 1820

48. Ademuyewo Fidipote - 1852

49. Adesimbo Tunwase 1886 (Aboki)

50. Adeleke Ogbagba I - 1895

51. Adeona Fusigboye - 1906

'52. Ademolu Fesogbade - 1915

53. Adekoya Eleruja - 1916

*54. Ademotu Fesogbade - 1917

55. Adenuga Folagbade - 1925

56, Ogunnaike Fibiwoga 1929

57. Dan. Adesanya Gbelegbuwa II - 1933-1959

58. Sikiru Adetona Ogbagba II - 1960

*(Nos 52 and 54 are the same person).

No. They say that they also migrated from the east, and with very specific clues; not that they got here first.

The migration also seems to validate the claim that the Ijebu are one and the same with the Biblical Jebus and Jebusites. One thing to be noted is that many Yoruba and Edo people have not given us their verifiable histories from the period prior to 10AD. Likewise they do not want to mention anything that would link the to having served as slaves at one time or the other, unlike the Ijebu (meaning of Ijebu?).

PhysicsQED:
That isn't a drawing of Ketu's ruler. I'm pretty sure that's something that attempts to depict a ruler of the Kongo.

Are you deliberately posting unrelated images and relabeling them as Yoruba?

But the subjects are doing the dobale, aren't they?

I have a suggestion.

For any thread about the military activities of any Nigerian ethnic nationality on this forum to be taken seriously, such should include
(a) accounts of military expansion and accompanying reasons;
(b) accounts of military defeat/retreat and accompanying reasons; and
(c) accounts of the rise and fall of the concerned kingdoms.

I'm sure this would contribute to getting our history and histories right.

lakal:
There are very few Ijebus who deny being Yoruba.  Don't try to play that spin. The controversy stems from Ijebus saying that they predate Oduduwa, which is another argument entirely.

By what authority do you mention that?

If you want confirmation, go and ask the Awujale of Ijebuland or the Osugbo. You can even check out their list of Kings and compare to those of other Yoruba Kingdoms. Maybe Oduduwa lived long enough to see 5 Ijebu kings enthroned.

I am interested words and names of people that are peculiar to the Ijebu (aka Jebu) people. Meanwhile I want to believe that Andre Uweh was employing a figure of speech.

The Ijebu are said to speak a Yoruba dialect but they have said that they are not Yoruba.

Is it therefore not proper to refer to spoken Ijebu as a language on its own?
Where can an interested individual learn and study Ijebu lexicography online?

PhysicsQED, I admire your attempts to analyze objectively.

Concernnig past military expansion, I was referring to how some Nigerians seem to be using it blindly to fuel tribalism. My point also is, where has that got us today?

tpia@, thanks a lot. But, I doubt if I have come across that name amongst non Yoruba Nigerian muslims.


denzel2009, is the gorilla still there?

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=598344.msg7660486#msg7660486 date=1296746303]The Benin Empire seems to be Southern Nigeria's classical empire and this kingdom influenced many people from the Yoruba to the Igbo.

Can someone describe the cultural diffusion of the Benin Empire to other pars of Southern Nigeria? I have always been interested in the Benin Empire, and I want to give them so much credit.

Even the Onye Onicha trace their foundations to settlers from the Benin Empire. Lagos was founded by a Bini expedition. For their small population, the Bini people have a lot to be proud about.

-Proudly Igbo but an admirer of the Benin Empire[/quote]Hey,what about this: Can someone describe the cultural diffusion of other parts of Southern Nigeria to the Benin Empire?

By what rubrics did you arrive at Benin being Southern Nigeria's classical Empire? Remember Oyo and Sungbo Eredo.


One more thing; is it that some people in Nigeria feel relevant only if they say that their tribe conquered another, leading perhaps to the invention of history?