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Henry120: What ever listing of global military powers you look at, SA is never listed in the top 25 bracket. No matter where the list comes from, janes, SIPRI, global firepower, even Eeben barlow ( founder of EO), confirms the same.

Has I siad. Size. Our army has a active duty force of under 40 000 yet we still ranked higer than nigeria with a army that is more than double our size. Actulay you larger than our army active and reserve force. Yet spend halfg the amount of money on deffense.

If we so wished we could be in the top 20. Only the need is stopping us.

sheyie2007: SA owns ford? Boss gimme a south african brand

Ford SA, merciads SA, extra extra.

sheyie2007: By niggas?

Has I siad I gave a larg list.

sheyie2007: Are you kidding me? THose are not SA brand.. we talking made in Nigeria (nigerian owned)

They made in south africa. Many like the ford bantam where devloped in SA has while.

sheyie2007: Heard some SA niggas saying we cant manufacture shiit Well show me what your niggas have done, even under supervision... waiting

i gave a large list

Henry120: NIGERIA IS AHEAD OF SOUTH AFRICA IN MANY AREAS.

The only area where south africa is ahead of nigeria is taking hollywood style photos of their sub-standard defence equipments.

* before I forget, coming on to nairaland to mouth of as been the best defence manufacturer in the world

While the world rates south AFRICA at number 34, not even in the top 30.

Again what list. And we don't take our own photos. It milltary media who do.

Name one area where Nigeria is better.


Again what list. A list that fails to take in to account so many factors.

Henry120: You south africans keep mouthing about been the best in the world, the most advanced bla, bla, bla.......... Why then are you not rated amongts the top 20 militaries in the world then? Please tell me why?

Na for all those dream wey una dey dream for pretoria, dat na how una use become the first for world, abi na d most advanced una dey call una selves.

Size and will. Our milltary is small and underfunded(but still has more fundding than nigeria per solder?)

SA has no disire to be a milltary force. If we wished we could be. We spend the smallest amount per GDP of the top 50 milltarys. What that dose say. Even under funded we still strong.


And againn what list are you looking at.

Henry120: The main problem I have with you, is the fact that you mouth off stupi.dly all the time.

All the claims(80% at least) I have made on this thread I have provided photos to back them up. Facts to back them up.

We do not produce corvettes or frigates YET. That been said our nation has placed orders for stealth corvettes (OPV's), and also placed orders from an indian company PIPAV for more OPV's in total 5 stealth corvettes would come in this year. For the second corvette to delivered from china, 50% of it would be built at nigerdock in lagos, nigeria.

Nigerdock handled from scratch the design and building of TWO oil rigs for elf petroleum oil company, which were inaugurated buy the president(GEJ) himself.

Innoson vehicles are far better than any civilian vehicle ever produced 100% by SA. The design and the moulding of the design and engine block are all done right here in nigeria. Those cars are better than what ZUMA drives as his official presidential ride. I bet you 100 dollars to show me a south african made civilian vehicle that is better than INNOSON range of cars (saloon, bus, mini-bus, garbage trucks & SUV). Show me? Mo*r.o.n.

SA makes Mercs, fords, VW, extra extra.

solomon111: what are you manufacturing in 2012 that is different from this?
None.
The only difference is the sophistication.
We don't need to learn 1980 tech,we will just learn how the latest models are made from our defence partners.
The same way we created the first world class satellite to be wholly made by african Engineers.

Other than improving on what we all ready built.


SAM's
Active protection system
Major war ship componts
Major submarin componts
UUV
UCAF
Adavance communcation sytems
Data link

Soon we will build
Corvet and IPV/OPV size war ships

solomon111: Nigeria lacks the capability to manufacture frigates?
Lol.
Besides,the fact that we don't manufacture the engines YET is irrelevant.
How many car companies manufacture all the parts by themselves?
None.

You don't make any major ship componts or sytems.

solomon111: lol.
Southafrican delusion.
One day we will see how accurate your claims are.

They not claims. Point out what you don't agree with.

Henry120: Now andewza, this is a very dumb post. It took nigeria barely 18hours after the visit of the sierra leonean defence minister's visit to late dictator sani abacha to deploy troops to his country (SLR) in the 90's.

Nigeria did not waste anytime to deploy troops to guinea bissau last year after their was an attempted coup or a coup in the country

It only took a phone call from former president obasanjo to restore peace and order in sao tome and principe after renege troops stormed their presidential palace.

That is a very useless point you made. And holds no water.

I really wanted to prove yourself and your friend wrong as regards APC's for nigerian troops in sudan, using precise information and photos( showing training and APC's) to back it up. However in your effort to paint us black, you made another dumb post about the APC's not been nigerian. I believe otokars and btr wheeled & tracked we've seen with the nigerian military over the course of this thread are also owned by the UN.@ andrewza


To dumb statements from you has killed my urge to show everyone credible evidences to dismiss your friends claim.

*however, I did agree to the fact that nigeria has many pick up trucks deployed to sudan.

*SA also has numerous pick up trucks deployed in CAR as we speak.

Things must have been diffrent then comparid to now. Because the response time to malil was slow.

Has I said these where not my observations. And things may have changed since he was there.

Yes the force in CAR are in pick ups. They light infantry.

solomon111: we don't need to pass through your 1980s.
The technology is already there.
We just need the right partnership with the right countries,our defence industry growth will be accelerated.

1980 SA was manufotring.

MBTs
APCs
IFV
AGMs
Howiters
Self propeled howizers
MLRS
UAVs
Fast missiel attack craft
Helicopters
Small arms
LGBs
Armourd cars
Air to air missiels(including BVR)
Nuclear,bilogical and chemcal wepaons
Larg combat support ships.

sheyie2007: Like fighter jets? Show me

The cheata has been mentioned and the impale was all so manufactored in SA

Then there was the oryx helicopter and we build our own allouet III helcopters and frames.

agaugust: it is the south africans that are making f00lish posts in this forum. your friends started some pages back to say south african rooivalk helicopter gunship is better than american apache and russian hind helicopter gunships. then they say south african drones never tested in any war are better than israeli drones that launched precision targeting missiles to wipe out palestinian terrorists many kilometers away from israel.

then snydergp lst month was boasting of south african navy valour frigates against american navy ! hahaha south african military you wanna enter inside early grave. then your friends say south african medium jet grippen is superior to russian heavy jet SU-27 flanker. surely it means south avfrican military will defeat america, russia, israel because you claim your weapons are better. when did a weapon become best in the world just because south african military has it in their arsenal?

you south africans over-rate your military and under-rate all other countries military

please stop meaningless boasting here.

you say north korea which navy? see, the north korea does not need navy to fight south africa, they just fire one nuclear warhead ballistic missile and all south african military forces and their weapons will roast like bush meat !

andrewza you cannot do simple research before saying... eritrea how many air force jets ?

see eritrean airforce is so good they shoot down ethiopian jets in air to air dogfights jet vs jet. they have 16 russian SU-27 Flanker and 18 Mig-29 jets and 8 SU-25 ground attack jets so their total is 42 against your southa frican 26 grippen. eritrea has russian Mi-24/35 hinds helicopter gunships 21 total against south african 11 rooivalk untested helicopter gunships. eritrean air force pilots are as good as egypt, algeria, ethiopia, nigeria, south africa .

dont talk about their eritrean aircraft maintenance because you are not their chief of air force and you did not visit their aircraft hangers today to verify their servicing. stop under-estimating your enemy you this careless south african soldiers, what type of military academy do you have in that your country that gives you such poor strategic training ?

there are several african nations that will do damage to south african military in a war you cannot win.

The rooivalk is better than a hind and the apachy with out the longbow radar. The apachy longbow have fire and forget AGM's and power fully radar. But a rooivalk has a smaller radar cross section, built in dust fillters, heat reduction tech, and more manvribil.

Has for the hind. We better than the hind has a attack chopper but the hind is not a attack chopper it is a assult chopper. The russuans opperat many other choppers that are attack choppers. Such the Ka50 Wearwolf.

The valour is better than the nearst amrican equvlent. It has a stealth set up making it apear the same size has a local fishing boat. It fited with simlar wepaons and has a more power full EW,ECW set up. This dose not mean we can beat the USN who operate many destryers and cruisers.

In many aspects the gripen is far better than the SU27. This dose not mean it has good has the newer SU37 or still in production SU47 or the stealth SU that name I forgot. The SU27 is old and is being replaced in russia because it can not compete with the newer westtern threats. Dose this mean the SU27 is bad no dose it mean the gripen is better. To many vairbills to give a straight anserw. Personeal I love the SU27 but the upkeep dose not warrent the abliety. Though the cobra manvour is way cool.

I have yet to see how we siad we could take on the Russian, Indians, Chinness. You putting words in peoples mouth.

No we don't. Back home many many people are saying we not providing out deffenss force enough money anf that we lost a lot of abliets durring the 1990s that we only now trying to regterfie. We just don't think Nigeria is has good has they cliam. You want a African milltary with combat experiance and training go to Chad. Botswana has a very dedcated, motivated and while trained milltary. It role in war is limmted to delaying the enemy untill SA and Angola can get there forces in. But for what they have botswana is very good with it.

Akgeria is a fast rissing power and will become a global force.

Ethiopa has combat experiance and a few very nice wepaons.

Angola have a lot of hisstory in there milltary and have rather powerfull milltary.

NK missil tech genrail crash in to the ocean. Exept the short range types. So I don't fear them.

My sources says a bumber of ertrin jets are non opertional now. And you for got the hawks of SA. The 5 gen missiles we have, Link za, the EW,ECW sytems, extra extra.

What enemy. The only african countries thant can even reach us are our allies. And since when did I say the etrian air force was bad. This is the first time we mentioned them.

Other than egypt name one african country that can compet with us.

Capnd143: commander in cheif of the armed forces said this himself to isreal weapons company officials during the commissioning of a ballistic vest and military accountrement factory in bauchi state,NIGERIA. https://www.ngrguardiannews.com/images/resized/images/stories/2012/july2012/jonathan-2_200_160.jpg

that not a source

solomon111: southafrican defence industry is ahead due to a lot of factors.
We acknowledge that we are not there yet.
But we will work twice as hard to bridge the gap in the next 10years.

We not 10 years ahead of you. We building stuff that can compete with the big boys.

And you asume our deffense idusstry is stagnet and with out growth. It is growing and 10 years from now when you have not even reached our 1980s level we would be even farther along.

Capnd143: This of this SA Guys are being biased, always saying "most advance or best in the world". Anyway just wait and see our defense industry growing, we are manufacturing APV's,RPG' launchers,IFV,81mm mortars,Couvettes and frigates engine and spare parts, recently the National assembly was asked to pass a bill to criminalize importation of any hardware that is produced by NICON and mandatory 4 all security agencies to use nicon wares. It also produces world class ballistic vest,GPMG,SUB-MG'S ETC

You are not actualy devolping any thing new. All most every thing is liscent manufactoring of other countries wepaons.

Where a source you building engiens for a frigat sized ship?

snydergp: To be correct it was 400 soldiers mostly SF troops, and it was a distance over 3000km not 1200km away like in Mali. By the way your troops were first taken to Niger and deployed to Mali where they are still on guarding duties and checkpoint manning there not on the frontline.

It was 200 on day one. The rest came latter. A freind of mines freind is a parabat. The total number of SA troops in CAR is around 425 all Parabats and SF

solomon111: your defence industry is not that advanced so it shouldn't be too hard to overtake you.
With a little help from israel,china,pakistan,and india in collaboration with DICON,the sky is just the starting point.
The next 5-10years is going to be very pivotal.

We manufactor wepaons that are used by rich NATO and oil counties.

Where are nigerias

Selp propeld artlreil guns
Atni tank missiels
Air craft
IFV
Tanks
Extra extra

Making a bunch of stuff under lisecense is nothing speciol

Even your home grown gun boat has forighn engiens, navigation sytems, radar extra. The oposit of our frigats witch may have been build in germany but all the sytems are or can be made in SA.

We got one of the most advance deffense industrys in the world. We have our own home grown Data link. Only african country with a Data link.

We got the longest ranged motars in the world.

You are years behind us. And it not has though we standing still. Soon we build more corvets in the same ship yard that build draknsberg the largest and most sophistcated ship build in africa.

Please get your facts straight.

Henry120: Coming from a south african soldier like yourself, ii was not expecting anything positive from you to say.

However, the nigerian contingent in sudan, use pick-up trucks. There are still more APC's in the nigerian camp than pick up trucks. I'd post photos to call your accusations bluff.

The rest of what you posted above is just complete hogwash, and you should go feed it to the lions at kruger national park.

Has I siad this what he noticed. And the APC there he siad where not Nigerian but UN. Has in they UN owended them.

Wether you like it or not was not impressed.

Henry120: We also deployed 190 soldiers(C-130) to mali in 1 day, with 101 airforce paratroopers(G222) on the same day. @Andrewza, please what is the big deal?

I don't mean in one day has in it took 1 day to get there. I mean 1 day has in from the request for solders till arriving was about a day. In Maili there was a request months ago since last year to be pressis. Yet it still took a long time before boots where in Mali

solomon111: who cares?
He is a southafrican,so his biased observation is irrelevant.
According to the UN,Nigeria has one of the best ground forces in the world.
That's what matters.

Biased or not he would not lie on his observations.

Where have they siad that. And in what contects. In peace keeping. Yes Nigeria provids a lot of peace keepers. Dose not mean they the best. Peace keeping is not a true test of a milltary.

souldust: why did you discuss naija with your friend? Just curious.

I did not. I did not even know he was with you guys. I just asked a bout the other UN forces there. Navy don't go to Sudan other than a few observes and support staff. Most navel personel go to the DRC in or near Goma. An anti piracy.

agaugust: you have your own private and personal interpretation of english language which is not technically correct so please dont confuse people here my good friend. how are you today? not spoken to you for a whlie andrewza, hope you are doing fine.

AK-47 rifle issue can go to final rest, no rifle is perfect in this world, but all rifles can kill, simple as ABC, that is what an army needs...just to kill.

your definition of IFV and Frigate or OPV is faulty...i will prove you wrong when i post, i am going to sleep now, its late deep in the over night here in america, i gotta sleep now. good night brother, and tell your friends to stop boasting that your rooivalk is better than apache and hind...i googled all the 3. also your over-rated Grippen jet has some big weakness...i googled it. good night, we argue it when i wake up tomorrow sir.

It not my intepttion.
I am busy.

Yes any built will kill. But not all rifels are the same. A SKS fires the same round has the AK47 but is not used by any milltary only rebells. Why. Because it not has good has a AK47. When look at a wepaon for a milltary theese are the factors you need to look at.

Reliabilty. The brit SA80 model one was a great wepaon in every way. Exept it jamed at least once on every magizine. That why they got HK (germain wepaons compoany they make the G36, MP5 extra) to fix it.

Accuracy. The Amrican use the M16/M4 over other choice because it is so accuret. Even our own speciol forves use it. Bolt action rifels are still used has snipers because of there accuracy

Human factor. How heavy is it, is it diffcult to strip and clean, can it be used by any body extra extra

The rest are basic accros the bord. A shot from a M16, AK47, FN fal extra will all put you down.

It not faulty.

There is no such thing has a light frigate. It eith a small frigat or a frigat. Any thing small than a frigat is a corvet. Dose this mean any thing small than a frigat is weak. No. But they not frigats. All reports say you buying OPV's from china but they look more like corvets to me.

A IFV is a vechal that gose with the troops where ever they go and provides fire support. It fights along side them. A APC is a means to move solders to the front line where they then dissimbark and attack on foot. A APC guns are for self deffense and for proving over watch.

What big weakness? It has out performed aircradt way above it's level in many areas.

I have mentioned this before but did not go in to detail because I was trying to be nice.

A freind of mine from the 8tg south african infantry battlion (8SAI)(Air assult) was deployed to Sudan and spent a brief time in a nigerian sector this is the deffrenced he found.

SA where using mamba APC. Even his unit who are a hellicopter unit had Mamba APC's

Nigeria where using pick up trucks or forghin APC's


SA conducted base attack drills (testing there deffenses) every day

He never saw one drill of any kind


SA all ways followed proper milltary training such has setting up preimters when dismounting the APC's

Nigerian solders did not act has though it was a war zone


Yes the area was not one with heavy fighting but even so there are things you all ways do in a war zone. It not has though Nigeria where bad solders it was the majority of african solders there.

And yes he personealy came under fire. Mainly from bandits and not rebels. And they left has soon has the SA solders shot back. If not there opened fire with the 40mm MGL. The same one the Amrican mariens are now useing.

agaugust: i dont know maybe one day, these south africans will say their military can defeat israel, defeat india, defeat, china, defeat russia, and defeat the united states of america.

i have never seen such over-rated military in the world like south african military forces and yet they are not even ranked in the top 20 of the world military powers. ordinary north korea, iran, pakistan, saudi arabia, will defeat south africa in war and wipe out their military existence completely. even local ethiopia in africa will give south africa a very big battle i am not sure the south africans can win.

even the tiny nation new born nation of eritrea has an airforce that will give the south african airforce a big battle same way they gave the ethiopian air force shot battle. the eritrean army is smaller, but i can trust their fighting courage in war more than the over feeding and over eating lazy south african army with its poor combat history that does not match their level of boasting on nairaland website, the only thing they know is to post fancy hollywood photographs here.

please south african guys, dont climb the tree beyond the leaves and branches, it leads to a fatal fall.

Don be foolish when did we say that. Any cas russia, china are on freindly terms with us and India is a close ally of ours.

Using what ranking. There is only one country that ranks milltaries and that site failes to take in to account what the acctuale sytems are or level of training.

NK with what navy
Iran another ally of ours
Suadi Araba what navy. And a big market for our wepaons.


Ertia has how many combat air craft. Yes they have SU27 but not a lot of them. And based on there deffense budget would strugel to maintain them.

Poor combat hisory? SA has never lost a war even when out numberd and out gunned we where still wininng. Name one battel or war where we lost. Just one.

SANDF is the spends more money on training than any other african country. You speak about combat experiance but when last did Nigeria fight a war. And don't mention peace keeping. We deploy a large portion of our milltary to peace keeping. And many of our peace keepers have come under fire. Even and never broke and ran leaving there APC's behind.

We deployed 200 solders in 1 day to CAR. Our ong did it take Nigeria.

agaugust: great photos henry. thanks. well, shame to those who call nigerian military an AK-47 carrier, we have thr israeli made travor assault rifles and nigeria produces the FN FAL which was used a lot in the ECOMOG war in liberia by the nigerian unbeatable army. i think their is a good reason the nigerian military high command is using the AK-47 as standard issue, they dropped the FN FAL, maybe the nigerian AK-47 performs as good as the belgium originated FN FAL.

well, i have been away due to work pressure in my office. i am a bit free now. i am still trying to update myself on what the forum has been like on nairaland during my absence. thanks to you naija guys for keeping the south africans 'locked up inside a bottle of coca cola' lol

i have some surprising stuff to write, so very many.

henry please i want you to be in the forum when i finally post my simulated war game between nigerian military and the south african military. it shows what is likely to happen if the two forces clash in real war. i will post it around the middle of this month maybe march 16th or around that time. the final result of the simulated war is very interesting. please be around oga henry. thanks

great guys....souldust, capnd143, sheyie2007, solomon111, i give 3 gbosa gbosa gbosa for you all. naija pikins una be true true.

the SANDF Grippen VS NAF F-7 comparison will shock everyone when i post some stuff i discovered about both jets.

updating myself on nairaland i read a stranger here named afro arab, who are you ? please ID yourself, friend or foe ? you seem to have a hot temper anyway.

i will address the nigerian drone issue, we have israeli drones already
i will address the nigerian new air defense network
i will address the nigerian ballistic missile program developing
i will address the other issues of nigerian weapons too

some naija photos...

nigerian navy chief of staff signs contract with china to jointly build a nigerian navy stealth light frigate warship half contruction in china, half construction in lagos shipyard where we built our NNS Andoni patrol craft. first time ever that a stealth warship will be part produced in africa.

nigerian army 100% made in nigeria DICON new multi-purpose APC and Infantry Fighting Vehicle ready for production
please click on the blue weblink below to open the bigger photo, its too heavy for direct posting here, and the one that shows below is too small.
thanks

nigerian weapons local manufacturing is rapidly advancing and will soon catch up with south africa.

nigeria has just signed a joint artillery gun local production contract with china. nigeria is moving close to china so that we can produce heavy weapons like them, very soon.

one of the reasons we bought chinese F-7 jet is to see the basic engineering of a modern jet fighter and build one in future. nigerian airforce has succesfully at home here locally dis-assembled and re-assembled the F-7 jet fighter almost into pieces to see how its basic components are manufactured and intergrated. we cannot do that with a swedish Grippen jet. nigeria is a wise country withh very big military plans that ther south africans here are not aware of.

nigeria is not rushing to do careless arms manufacturing and end up in heavy financial debt like south african denel in the case of the rooivalk helicopter they built and cannot even sell one piece to any customer int he world. the rooivalk is a south african copy of the american apache helicopter gun ship, compare the photos.

also i compared the rooivalk helicopter gunship of south africa vs russian mi-35 hind and vs american apache, the result is that the rooivalk is below the rivals from russian and america. also the south african gunship heli is not yet battle tested like its russian and american rival gunship helis, so nobody wants to buy a copy helicopter that has not been proved in any battle, it is only in the photos of snydergp and msauza that the rooivalks sees action . lol

the AK47 is still the common assult rifel of nigeria. Even the cops in somlia have a better rifel. The tavor is a great wepaon even though i dislike it but i dislike all bullpup rifels. The FN-Fal is not a great choice is dusty battels such has Africa and is prone to jam a lot more than say a AK, not to mention was not the best on full auto, is very heavy and big it dose bring a stabel accuret plat form that firs the 7.62mm NATO round. Most countries hace phased it out of genrail use but it is still used has a DMR. These are probaly the thinks Nigerias genrail consederd when replacing it from genrail use.

You not building light frigats. No such thing. Small frigat yes. Our frigats in SA are small. Hence the called FSG Frigat Small guided. You getting either over sizsed OPVs or corvets. The difrence is that a frigat is the smallest warship that can operate away from any suport structer.


That not a IFV. And it looks very top heavy.


The rooivalk is not what put denel in finacial troubel. It only one air craft that it builds and was devolped during the border war where money was not a issue. It all so only one of our many arms companys. OMC land sytems is doing very while same has Parmount, mechem, KND, IMT extra extra

The roiivalk is faster and fited with better sytems than the hind. Carrys more ammo and better wepaons than the other western wepaons. Talking about hind battel report means afghanstan where stingers where a big threat. The rooifalk has built in heat reduction sytems to decreas the signuter. And you correct it not battel test. But it's many proto typs where. The rooivalk is the end result of a years of devoment taking what was leant during a war. It all so cheapper to run and maintain than both the hind and apachy. SA operates 1 hind helicopter for test purpose. It all so the one that was upgraded to western standards. Those same upgrades where done to algerians hinds. In testing the rooivalk was still better. So yes no one is buying it. But many of the sytems on the rooivalk have been sold. Such has the Gun, fire control sytem, rotors, engiene, missiels extra and fited to other helcopters. Case in point Algeria.

solomon111: why should i buy from SA,when i can get superior UAV from israel.
Nigeria already manufacture drones.
What we need now is to transfer israeli drone technology to Nigeria.
We can buy a few drones from israel and ask them to upgrade our drone technology as part of the deal.

Isreal drone tech are better in only a few areas.

Size. Israel have a number of small micro drones. These are use full in urban combat. But they all so cost a lot of money, require some very while trained grunts. And just about useless any where else

For the rest SA is on par with isreal in drone tech. The one I am most intristed in is a propsed stealth drone. There not enoug funding for it but there is hope that brazil could help fund it.

Currentl SA seeker drone is our best seller. SAAF nolonger uses any drones. They where cut during the dark times of the 90s but SA army maintains a number of drones that belong to the artelry for spotting purpose. All so denel let drones to SANDF for border patrol and anti poaching.

Henry120: The SU-27 or 30 would be the best for us. They are far better than the F-16 or the SAAB gripen fighters. The SU-27/30 was designed to counter the threat of the american F-18 eagle. The SU-27 is the best fighter jet of the 20th century, no jet comes close, not the F-16 or F-18 or the gripen or the french mirage 2000.

Give the NAF 24 SU-27s, I hope that is what we get.

The big problem with the SU27 or SU 30 is running cost. They cost all most doubil has much to run than the F16 and a lot more than compaird to the gripen. The resone SAAF took the gripen over the SU27 was running cost and easy of maintence. It point less to have fancy air craft you can't afford to keep air worthy. 24 SU27 on NAFs current budget would kill them. For all it's down sides the J7 is cheap to maintian and operate.

AfroArab: you the henry you read what i complain ? you have to leave the arab sudan land take nigeria army away please okay tell the AU and the ECOWAS is arab land. no more war we want a peace.

AU/UN mission in sudan is not in arab land bu in land with majorty blank population.