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somalia5: those are pirates not fightig for religion or country.

and all pirates have died, except ones captured alive.

Then why do they always say they fighting to protect somlian waters and other BS.


What the hell do you mean by this. Of course only alive pirates are captured. You can not capture a dead guy.

somalia5: what he said in that looong rant is bs...


any article on the news will tell you that africans started coming into somalia a few years ago...and it was only to bring soldeirs there...while many muslims were there for 21 years digging wells....

Sorry you black. The entire world sees you has black.

somalia5: so what if we blow ourselfs up to fight against the african soldiers occupyin my land.


we dont surrender like slaves like ur ancestor

That is the ridicules thing I have ever heard. Firstly more civilians are killed than any thing els, you do surrender a lot. Has soon has a navy helicopter shows up all those pirates throw there hands up.

snydergp: Atleast we down south created and invented our own military hardware and technology.

South Africa invented coal to liquid and gass to liquid technology we produce 40% of our petrol and diesel from coal something that even the U.S and Japanese can't do till this date.

It not only military tech. All so in medicine, archeology, power extra

The only country to get close to what we do with sasol was germany during WW2. And all that got blown to little pieces by the allied forces

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]we do need any white peoples. end of the story. you have always brought trpouble upon us. ALL OF YOU! either payback, or else just LEAVE. we dont need any empty apologies. weneed the money, the culture, the relgigion, the resources, the slaves, etc back. only then can you expect equal terms and conditions from us.[/quote]In that case you should return all the western technology, medicine, infrastructure and luxury goods.

SAGirl: I can't believe this is still going on and has turned so ugly.

I would just like to make a plea to my fellow South Africans on this forum: we are just guests in here and I feel we should really refrain from offending people in THEIR forum. I find all these posts very distasteful, if you want to educate people about how beautiful and grand South Africa is then let us create our own forum for that.

I don't understand why you would stoop to such low levels to argue on such a pointless topic. People believe what they will and relentless hitting your head against the wall is not going to change that.

I'm here to have constructive conversations about Africa, and I'm sure that is why we are all here. So please let us refrain from allowing ourselves to be dragged into ugly country fights, that is not what we are about as South Africans. If someone wants to bash your country, let them... That will not take away from what you have.

I agree. I think every body should calm down. Let us wait for the investigations to be completed. Right now this is just a school yard d.ick measuring contests.

0ldDirtyBastard: have you ever been to any Scandinavia country? that's utopia for you...

Indeed.

Billyonaire: Ofcourse our government is trying to do the same but with a wrong approach. I also doubt if the opposition in western-style democracies in countries like Nigeria can see beyond partisan politics and form a formidable front with the ruling party to overhaul our economy. Chinese Economy will beat USA in the next 2yrs if the status quo is maintained.

Where do you get 2years from? Not disputing (yet) but want to know why you say 2 years.

gst101: wars of that nature do not just start. It takes time for tensions to rise to that level and there must be indications on ground to show that such a war is iminent. During that time, we can easily aquire and train the personel. Trust naija with the fire brigade approach we have a track record of it.

Again as for the blockade, we can strike your ship from the air. Though your ship may have anti air defence system, i doubt if it may too effective against our f-7s. The only way you can effectively strike the f-7s would be to deploy your combat planes which, even though i dont know their capabilities, i dont think are superior to the f-7.

you know they cannot fly that long distance. There are two ways you can deploy your planes to nigeria. You are going to need aircraft carrier which you do not have or you will need airports of countries around nigeria. And to do that, you will need your soft power and influence in africa. Your soft power is inferior to us. We have greater influence across the continent. No country would grant you permission to use their airports as they too have intrest in a stable gulf of guinea.

Of course and it would take a lot for us to go to war. South africa dose not want a war they costly. But build up works both ways.


Your F7 are a old design that china heavily modified. We operate 4.5 gen gripen fights armed with 5 gen air to air missiles and EW systems. Of course we would need a friendly air base around 1500NM away so that we can reach the area and have a good endurance and combat load. I was relying on the FSG air defense 32 ir and radar guided umkonto SAM 1 twin 35mm DPG and the 76mm DPG and of course the strong EW system. Your F7 are a poor maritime strike aircraft witch would need to get in close to hit us.


You do have more interest in the west african region that is true. If we use fuel tankers we could operate out of angola or DRC.


The big thing is the subs. After the brits subk the argie cruiser during the falklands war the Argentine navy ran away. They did not know if there was one sub or 50 or where it was or any thing. We could sink one ship with a sub and no one will travel out of fear. There role in warfare is sea denial and that is how you can blockade.

gst101: wars of that nature do not just start. It takes time for tensions to rise to that level and there must be indications on ground to show that such a war is iminent. During that time, we can easily aquire and train the personel. Trust naija with the fire brigade approach we have a track record of it.

Again as for the blockade, we can strike your ship from the air. Though your ship may have anti air defence system, i doubt if it may too effective against our f-7s. The only way you can effectively strike the f-7s would be to deploy your combat planes which, even though i dont know their capabilities, i dont think are superior to the f-7.

you know they cannot fly that long distance. There are two ways you can deploy your planes to nigeria. You are going to need aircraft carrier which you do not have or you will need airports of countries around nigeria. And to do that, you will need your soft power and influence in africa. Your soft power is inferior to us. We have greater influence across the continent. No country would grant you permission to use their airports as they too have intrest in a stable gulf of guinea.

Of course and it would take a lot for us to go to war. South africa dose not want a war they costly. But build up works both ways.


Your F7 are a old design that china heavily modified. We operate 4.5 gen gripen fights armed with 5 gen air to air missiles and EW systems. Of course we would need a friendly air base around 1500NM away so that we can reach the area and have a good endurance and combat load. I was relying on the FSG air defense 32 ir and radar guided umkonto SAM 1 twin 35mm DPG and the 76mm DPG and of course the strong EW system. Your F7 are a poor maritime strike aircraft witch would need to get in close to hit us.


You do have more interest in the west african region that is true. If we use fuel tankers we could operate out of angola or DRC.


The big thing is the subs. After the brits subk the argie cruiser during the falklands war the Argentine navy ran away. They did not know if there was one sub or 50 or where it was or any thing. We could sink one ship with a sub and no one will travel out of fear. There role in warfare is sea denial and that is how you can blockade.

panafrican: Here is the deal.


75 million soldiers from Nigeria
30 million from Egypt
5 million each ( from Ghana, Cote d'Ivoire, Mali, Uganda, Angola, Mozambique, zimbabwe, Botswana, Zambia, Senela, Niger)
10 million from Somalia, we will need their pirates to harass your ships.
15 million from DRC.
25 million from Algeria.
Do the math.

Egypt do not see them self has african they arabs in there eyes. And they busy with there own problems right now.

75million solders from nigeria. What you want little girls and boys and all the old men and women. That your all most half your population. You must be on drugs.

Angola, Mozambique, zimbabwe, Botswana, DRC and algeria are more likely to join SA than some pan african force


Somalia. Real you on drugs.


Non of the counties you mention have that large a military or means to move it that far south. Most have there problems and dislike of each other. There is no such thing has a pan african force.

The reports of police brutality is so far unproven. Let's not rush to blame.

sambos994: Can I come back to this topic? Or is the war between Nigerians and saffers still going on?

I would stay away still.

gst101: dont get too serious with the question i asked. I asked sarcastically (jokingly).

The gift is not the only warship we have. We have other ones. The reason the NGR govt did not spend on buying big ship is becos its useless against militants and piracy most of whom operate in the shallow waters where a war ship cannot enter +they are expensive to maintain. The NNS thunder costs us 1million USD a month to fuel.

But when it comes to a war with you, we can purchase those ships. You know we have the money to do so and as soldier yourself, you should know how important oil is to war of that nature. We have oil and you do not.

Has I said we not mend. Your navy is a brown water(coastal) navy this dose not mean your a poor or small navy you actually bigger than us. Though we got bigger ships that.

No you can't just buy a ship they not like a ground vehicle or even aircraft. They take a few moths to build if bought new then you got to refit them and train the crew on the ships systems it not a long process. Not saying you can't buy them but it won't get done during a naval war.


We all so have oil(while we turn coal in to oil) and natural gas and now they found even more natural gas one of the biggest deposits. And we refine crude. A lot of countries (angola and nigeria are the big ones in africa) actually buy back there own oil from other counties where they refine it. We are one of those countries.

gst101: dont get too serious with the question i asked. I asked sarcastically (jokingly).

The gift is not the only warship we have. We have other ones. The reason the NGR govt did not spend on buying big ship is becos its useless against militants and piracy most of whom operate in the shallow waters where a war ship cannot enter +they are expensive to maintain. The NNS thunder costs us 1million USD a month to fuel.

But when it comes to a war with you, we can purchase those ships. You know we have the money to do so and as soldier yourself, you should know how important oil is to war of that nature. We have oil and you do not.

Has I said we not mend. Your navy is a brown water(coastal) navy this dose not mean your a poor or small navy you actually bigger than us. Though we got bigger ships that.

No you can't just buy a ship they not like a ground vehicle or even aircraft. They take a few moths to build if bought new then you got to refit them and train the crew on the ships systems it not a long process. Not saying you can't buy them but it won't get done during a naval war.


We all so have oil(while we turn coal in to oil) and natural gas and now they found even more natural gas one of the biggest deposits. And we refine crude. A lot of countries (angola and nigeria are the big ones in africa) actually buy back there own oil from other counties where they refine it. We are one of those countries.

gst101: lol. I was only pulling your legs i thought you should have discovered that by now.

Anyway stop the naval blockade thing. It can never happen. Do you think all of the subs you have can effectively police our 800 km of territorial waters? And you talk like we do not have a navy. What you have said shows you dont know the geography of nigeria especially the ND.

When coming into nigeria from the ocean, the ND is the first part of nigeria you would meet. This is a creek, swamp, lagoon and mangrove area. You need to know your way around to stand a chance! Even the US had it difficult in a mangrove in vietnam

You asked a question I gave a answer.


The delta is a obstacle but not a big one. We don't need to actual get close to the shallow waters with the large ships. And we only need to sink a few ships to keep the rest away. And your navy is not a threat to us, one real war ship that old and out dated. We not mend gun boats.

Callotti: Yes!
China is better than the WEST.
The West has not shown to be in the interest of Africans in general.
Time to try a new colonial-master!

Why do think africa needs any colonial master.

And china has dealing with other counties. They not good friends to have.

gst101: @andrewza. Can you touch anybody in africa? Ok, let me narrow it down. Can you boast you can touch anybody in west africa?

Firstly I never said we could invade but in defense we are save. I know by west africa you want me to talk about Nigeria. I have said it before we can't conquer Nigeria you just to big. Even a small west african country would be hard. With out a nearby friendly country we would have difficult to keep any large enough force supplied. So no we can not invade. But we could cause a lot of economic damage. Using the navy and small raiding forces we could destroy off shore platforms, sink ships, mine or block harbors, raid coastal installations and supply local rebels with arms and ammunition. Our frigates are stealth and even if you saw them on radar would look like a fishing boat and of course you have no ASW abilities in west africa. We would arrive at night hit and then run. No west african country has a capable maritime strike aircraft. So we can touch west africa but not hit them.

souldust: @andrewza. i can see you do not mean it. you are surely afraid of one country out the entire continent. and you know what that country is lol

I mean it. Who should I fear. Militarily no country or combination of countries in africa could touch us. And I don't fear a panafrican force because it would could never work together.

Rossikk: I see where you're coming from. But the issue is not so much ''24 hrs power supply'', as ACCESS TO ELECTRICITY. What's the point in having 24/7 power supply when only 40% of your country is connected to your national grid, with those in the rural areas generally cut off from such services? This is the case with many developing countries that boast of ''24/7 power supply''. More than most African nations, Nigeria has made great strides in extending the national grid to rural areas, which may account for more 'load shedding' or power rationing than other African countries where power supply is limited to a few cities and towns plus the capital. Nigerians visit these places and get carried away by the illusion of 24/7 power they experience in those favoured locations, never venturing into the inner country.

You make a very imported point. What the point off 24/7 power when only big cities get them. South Africa has 24/7 power and covers the majority of the country. But if just one of our power plants shuts down we get brown outs and the new plants are some way from completion.

Rossikk: I see where you're coming from. But the issue is not so much ''24 hrs power supply'', as ACCESS TO ELECTRICITY. What's the point in having 24/7 power supply when only 40% of your country is connected to your national grid, with those in the rural areas generally cut off from such services? This is the case with many developing countries that boast of ''24/7 power supply''. More than most African nations, Nigeria has made great strides in extending the national grid to rural areas, which may account for more 'load shedding' or power rationing than other African countries where power supply is limited to a few cities and towns plus the capital. Nigerians visit these places and get carried away by the illusion of 24/7 power they experience in those favoured locations, never venturing into the inner country.

You make a very imported point. What the point off 24/7 power when only big cities get them. South Africa has 24/7 power and covers the majority of the country. But if just one of our power plants shuts down we get brown outs and the new plants are some way from completion.

all4naija: I thought I saw division in the term of true South Africans to be different from the Afrikaners in that statement?

I see. no south africa is not that divided. There is division but not that bad.

all4naija: So, South Africa is as divided as this? Wow!

Where do you see divided in this.

panafrican: Last developments.
True south africans are speaking now, not the foolish Deutsch afrikaners.


Continue reading @ http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/14765939/striking-workers-march-on-s-african-platinum-mine/

I see nothing new in this report. Some more strike action that was resolved with out blood shed and some unproven report of police brutality.

all4naija: I know you are point something out. But, the body responsible for international migration in your country states the last widespread xenophobic attacks are as a consequence of Township politics.

Yes I am not disputing that. I am just pointing out town ship politics is not nation politics.

all4naija: Hahaha... I couldn't help laughing at you condescending tone for the percentage. The most laughable part is the 30% white stated by you. So, there are now 60% blacks against 30% whites in South Africa. Nigerians take note of that statistic.

Arguably, there is no way the white population of South Africa is close to 30% when it is just 4.5 million white people. Jeez! You are good propagandist!

Seems I was looking at a local poll. Nationally whits are 10%. We are the 3rd larges ethnic group though behind zulu and xhosa.