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all4naija: Hasn't ANC been a grass-root political movement at inception? With people like Molema(for example) in Township politic don't you think political agenda can become a national one if they continue with such past momentum?

Of course. But they did not have national political agenda in the xenophobic riots. That what I am pointing at. The agenda was economic and social not political.

all4naija: Hasn't the International Organization of Migration in South Africa said it is a consequence of 'blames on township politics for the attacks'?

Never heard of the saying called office politics. Every thing has politics town ship politics has nothing to do with nation agenda. The rioters did not want to chang the government or government policy's. Thus not terrorist action.

all4naija: Jeez! If a nation where whites are less than 10% control and decide the economy, what more do you want to know about relegation to the background?

Less than 10%? There are a lot more whites than 10% we are large % of the population the 3rd largest group after the zulu and xhosa. We are close 30% last survey I looked at.

all4naija: Lol... I like the way you added the noun riot to the adjective xenophobic to make it seems like a mere domestic disturbance. Terrorism, generally, is the use of violence to pursue political aims. Isn't that what the xenophobic attacks on immigrant Africans about in South Africa?!

Stop seeing religious sect bomb attacks or the Boermag as what stand for terrorism only!

It was a disturbance. There was all so a lot of criminal actions that took place and used the riot has cover (same has london) there was no political agenda behind them only social and economic. So no it was not terrorist action.

all4naija: Hasn't the miners case spoken of that? Please...

How has that spoken about it. There are many places where blacks are in charge. Even in the mining sector there are mines owned by blacks. Even the mine in question has a lot of blacks in senior management.

all4naija: Terrorism is a world problem and it's not limited to Nigeria alone(it happens in places like US, UK, Japan,etc). There are reported cases of terror attack in your country. What is more of a terror attack than the xenophobic attacks on foreigners in your country? Burning humans alive isn't that a terror to you? Stop taking a high moral ground here as if South Africa has not been worse off in this area.

The answer is religion infiltration(it is not only limited to Nigeria).

CASE ACCESSED!

You want to compare your domestic terrorism to the USA a Japan. They not in the same league has you. And south Africa if you want to call the xenophobic riots terrorism you do not know what terrorism is. The boermag where domestic terrorist in SA they have all been found guilty of treason. Why have the BH leaders escaped justice.


It got nothing to do with religion infiltration. SA has lots of muslims yet no suicide bombers.

all4naija: With all the education claims South Africans still behave like animals.That is well understood by me. It is time the people start using Vuvuzelas during protest than resorting to use of bows and arrows as Zulu warriors trying to attack lions or leopards for their skin.

Please, spare me this list of shiits which aren't happening in your country.

Black South Africans never built anything. If they are the ones who built South Africa why are they relegated to the background? Please, you said that to feel good of your people incompetence to do things right. CASE CLOSED!

What are you talking about. How are black south Africans been relegated to the background. And they have done a lot of things right. Yes we have problems but we know about them and are doing something about them.

sambos994: Sir, I think you need a dose of garri with cashew nut. LOL....you're fuming right now. Now, question is why are you here? I always do this to everyone who spews insults at Nigeria. Don't you have your Sowetanlive or something why come on Nairaland?

Google search south africa and a topic this forum is high on the list. So that is why there are so many of us here. You talk a lot about us. And if you want to talk about us we have the right to talk back.

No fear at all.

One guy accused them and then it was over turned by the NPA. Of course it has been provisional removed. So it still come in to effect later.

What mental disease. We don't jump up and down asking to destroy our country in a civil war.

We are looking in to it in a civilized way. Please show how we are not.

Other than the no 9 in development what the WTF about? Just interested.

panafrican: None. Because no-one wants to shoot miners as if the country was at war. you fool don't get it.

Reports from other sources talk about 44 killed.As far as failing is concerned , as a panafrican I know pretty well that there is a bunch of delusional in the bottom south like you ,living in a bubble and not understanding that they are at the top on the failing list.The funny part of all this is on that list there is only one name!

What do you mean by this. A lot of african mine workers have been shot. Some by the sate others by the Chinese mine owners.


44 total. 10+34=44 has for the rest you making no sense.

all4naija: All the South Africans and their arguments here don't change what is the reality on ground, the mentality of the people. Even with the claim that many African countries are few steps away from civil war points to how myopic many of them are. A continent made up of 54 nations and few are passing through internal disputes and few going through war now stand for many, yet they forget South Africa that is not passing through those problems have 34 people killed. The way they distant themselves from African problems is baffling all rather appalling to me. What make South Africa to be different from other African country is the infrastructure development that gives life to other sectors.

The truth is that South Africa is just worst than many countries in the continent when it comes to social security and crimes. Please, spare me this over- pomposity that is causing the failure for the people to see the problems in South African society, which is worst than in most African societies.

The Marikana mine killing is one of those nuclear bomb ticking to explode in South Africa. The one party polarization and unwilling to lift the black people out of poverty is another issue but many would come here to paint a perfect picture. Like 'we are fair and look into matters and find appropriate solution to them, we are not like other poor African countries' comment.

The truth is that the people are trying to stay away from their problem rather than finding solution by exonerating their and pointing accusing fingers to other African countries for their problem. Some are already saying the people killed at the mine incidence are foreigners. That proves how they are very stupid to quickly to apportion every blame to foreigner immigrants, most especially, the Africans.

Ignorant and crafty South Africans.

What county in Africa has better off than us.

Nothing will come of this. The ANC (umless the zuma supports loose and break of to form a new party) will win the next election. The DA will still be the big watch dog that some times dose not know what they talking about. Unlike Nigeria South Africans do not want war we. And for a pan african you dont seem to know how many African nations are close to falling. 34 people where killed it was a isolated event. And action is being taken.

No one blamed the foreigners i was just pointing out that they where there and where part of the strike.




You still have not showed me your panafrican army, what nations are part of this.

snydergp: Los die moer hys hoog op tik

We all can read that he has no idea on what's happening in SA

I am not trying to change him. There is no hope for him. I just want to educate others that read this to the truth.

panafrican: 1.You believe that africans think "all white people are rich " This proves how retarded you are because even in many our remote areas there is internet showing a whitey living in a trailer or begging in the streets of London UK, Paris France etc.

2.Even nazi had some concerns about killing innocent people. Your "free kkkountry" does not. Guess who is the most twisted. Get some help and wake up, you freaking full of lies. You won't mislead anyone but yourself about the color of your land because we all know it is hell red with the innocent blood.

3. Watch this, news will come out as to who were the foreigners killed in the strike .Be ready for retaliation from their fellow citizens back home once they get the bad news. Do you know what "oeil pour oeil, dent pour dent " means ? You guys don't know Africa yet, you think we are still at the stone age with your racist and xenophobic mind.

1 yes there are many poor white people in europe and north America. But put it this way a unemployed european citizen earns more than me in his welfare so there are a lot less.



2 are you on drugs. When has SA ordered deaths. I mean we don't even have the death penalty. You should really slow down on the drugs.

3 we know where you are. And it is far behind us. So please stop with all this panafrican threats.

panafrican: Resign for shooting civilians. Resign for betraying the land, resign for
having no consideration for human lives, resign for being a bunch of criminals. Got it ?

They where armed civilians there for a legitimate target.
Betraying what land.
So should the miners all so resign they killed 10 people before that day. And those killings where murders.
For what crime have any of them been found guilty before a court for a crime.

panafrican: Yeah, the cape is in Lagos Nigeria or Conakry Guinee, isn't it ? With all these shootings, your cape now went back to its original name (given By Barthelemy Dias) that was Cabo das Tormentas "Cape of Storms"



Everybody knows your cops have some itching in the fingers when they hold a gun in front of miners. https://www.careercast.com/sites/default/files/police-officer-350x260_0.jpg




You are killing foreigners, this is one more reason to invade your kkkountry.




The same forces that funded the frontline states through the african union during apartheid regime.



Now Listen to this Ode to the miners: (Your South african) Babylon system is a wampire,sucking the blood of the children day by day . Bob Marley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmeTAWyXx00
Lyrics

Did you do geography at school (or even do school). The cape is in a different province.


Wow then why is this the first time.

With what army. There is no panafrican force.

And yet the only front line state that was a threat was angola and that was only due to all the cuban solders and USSR money. There is no panafrica most african countries are 1 step away from civil war.

tpia1: from where?

Currently the largest portion of the foreign miners are from zim. But they from all over.

panafrican: oh ohhh, UN skewed reports ! ! ! why don't they fix their broken diplomacy out there in New York before writing nonsense about most of african countries ! Tell us if your UN reports include the shooting of miners in the vicinity of the[b] Cape of "Good hope ".[/b] What type of good hope is that ? !!!! make a notice, if you can shoot your own citizens like that without being bothered , imagine what would happen when the same police shoots non south africans.You would be cheering and dancing.if You do not stop panafrican forces may one day push your butts to the freezing south pole to teach you common sense.

https://images.yourdictionary.com/images/4131.16.south-pole.jpg

it would not effect the report. Has the action taken afterwards will out way the action.


The mine was no where near the cape.


You don't know any thing about SA economy or mine work force. A large number of the miners killed where foreigners.


Still don't know of what panafrican force you talking about.

all4naija: Another ignorant South African. I know you will never see the errs in the whole issue of the death of the miners. Please, comparing Boko Haram case to this only speaks of your imbecilic obsession with recriminations. It is all up to you to know that your country is acting on a failure to move the continent forward while laying claims to civilization (which is not exercised) and upholding human rights in the light of engaging in disgraceful activities.

Please, spare me your violence against innocent accusation here!

And, one thing, why is it part of the South African culture to bear arms during protest?!

What are you talking about. I don't see the shooting has a good thing. I don't see any violent death has a good thing. And if you bothered to try and under stand what was said I was not comparing this to BH I was pointing out that not all state violence in Nigeria was effected at them. A lot of innocent feel there wrath and no action gets taken against them. And how did this lone action effect how human rights record.


It not a accusation I am just pointing out facts


It not. Most strikes go unnoticed and with out any violences. You only hear about the bad ones because nothing sells better than bad news.

Why must any body resign yet. there is both a police, police watch dog and independent investigation. Until it is complete no one is guilty.

And they where not starving they get a lot of more than the lowest payed workers. Was it enough no should it be more yes. But don't try to fool people by saying they where starving.


So you only kill BH there is no violence against innocent. Because from what I know your police and army abuse there power and there is no investigation or any thing.


What fake truths are you talking about.

panafrican: You are funny !
Your country is being ruled by greedy monsters ,meanwhile your government is idly standing and waiting to count the dead, and you are saying people who lost trust in such a government have some screws loose ! Are you normal ? ! ! !
South africans should have the modesty to learn from countries that have seen a lot, I would name some such as Nigeria, Cote d'ivoire, Tunisia, Egypt, Liberia, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Uganda,Chad, DRC ( former Zaire). African countries are not racing here against each others, it is about sharing and being pro-active. That is why newborn countries such as yours ( you came from apartheid not long ago) should be clever enough to ask questions to those who came from autocratic colonial rule since the 1960s or before. Freedom is not enough, if you don't believe that, then you might learn it the hard way and it may be too late.

ANC greedy monsters? They are greedy but no more than most leaders in the world. And how do you call them monsters.

Count the dead? What do you mean by that. And they not just sitting around doing nothing. They may not do enough but they all ways take action.

All those countries you mentioned are far worse off than SA so what would we learn from them? How to destroy how self.

And most african just switched from a whit master to a black one. But it is ok at least his black.

panafrican: You all keep in mind out there that the same way , in every parts of Africa, african youths were looking for ways and means to kick the butts of south african gestapo during apartheid regime in the 1970s and 1980s , the way those youths are still ready to kick any uncle Tom that betrays the struggle. Make no mistake, South Africa does not only belong to you south africans, it is an african nation. And as such its domestic politics cannot ignore the views of other africans all over the world.
Panafrican forces are going to invade you if you do not stop killing Black.

What panafrican force? You seeing things. Any case we don't fear any african nation or combination of african nations if they could even unite.

panafrican: Deadline looming for dismissal. Can a democratic government stand idly when people are being ripped off?

What do you mean ripped off? It is a illegal strike they have the right to dismiss them.

And there are while educated people doing specialized work that don't even take home R12500

panafrican: Yeah, and there is nothing wrong with the gestapo that kills hungry miners.

Gestapo? If that was the case we would have shot them all on monday when they butchered 2 cops they lured in to a trap.

And hungry. Bullshit they earn R4000 rand I know people who support there families on half that. They not that poor.

panafrican: Pffff!!! CNN and BBC propaganda. Zimbabwe is stable, this is a fact they cannot hide,moreover there is no "democratic" Nato bomb blowing up hospitals and residential buildings "by mistake " in Harare , Bulawayo or Lupane.

Is Mugabe in power in Greece? This Country is in shambles. Does Mugabe manage the Euro currency ? No, still this currency is in big trouble.
Is Mugabe in power in Iraq or Libya right now? No.
The mainstream media are hiding zimbabwe successes under Mugabe because he hates promiscuous practices and he took back the stolen land.
Do you know how many Indians ( from India) are abroad? do you know how many Chinese, kosovar albanians , French and British are abroad looking for jobs? the world today is a global village. You go where you want to be. Chinese are going to the united states while americans are going to china. Mexicans are fighting their way to Texas, Arizona, California in the U.S while americans are leaving those states to go to Mexico.
Besides that what is wrong about being in power for 28 years? Some are in power for less than 5 years, and their government is shooting miners like deers.

CNN and BBC report what gets out of the country and it is all bad news. They can not enter the country because Mugaby can not handel criticism. And zim has lost so many people from running away it has a negative population growth.

Don't worry with panafrican he is not normal. There is something deeply wrong with him.

He actually not doing that bad. Yes I don't like him but I don't even like Helen ziller of DA but zuma has not been that bad. The economy is strong AIDS is decreasing, extra. He has his faults but he is just the same has any politician any where.

are you on drugs or just crazy

panafrican: Mugabe would never stand idly while a mining company slaughters miners in zimbabwe, as you can see your DEMON-[/b]cracy is worse than what you wrongly call a dictatorship.
[b] Even Hitler was feeding the german people not starving them to death.

Sorry it all ready happened in zim, only the army just started shooting and they brought a gunship in to help them out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucJBPnzGzaM

That is true. But who is truly at fault. The company who is like all other company trying to get rich, government who have bigger problems to deal with, or unions or spread miss information.