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Msauza: The weblink below is the SA government website, I hope it will convince a lot

It will only be Thomas of the bible era who will not believe

Note; R270 million is already set aside for this year's budget for which the remainder will be allocated on next year budget.

http://www.info.gov.za/speech/DynamicAction?pageid=461&sid=36523&tid=107229

Funny how a boy who has not given sources to back up his cliams demands a source.

Augustine Again: who said no proof of nigerian made weapons ? i said we get newspaper briefs about the weapons but no details of technical specifications like range, speed, armaments calibre, electronics, etc, no information to public, abi you no go school to judge your left hand from your right ?

Ever thought that infomastion given was slighlty wrong. Close enough for geting a buyer but off enough to stay secriut? Never crossed your mind.

Augustine Again: quote source, at least south africa never classifies any of its technology or military basic information about weapons. show us reliable source....i am waiting

That shows you know nothing. There is a lot of infomastion and sytems SA keeps secruit. SANDF even has a secruit account that let's them handel clandestine info.

Augustine Again: which country beside nigeria will pick any issue with a rocket nigeria launched from her territory into air over the open sea ? Benin or Togo republic ?

who cares whether you believe it or not ? millions of atheist people dont even believe God exists, does that delete God from heaven ?

No one will care but it will not be secriet more so if you launch over one of the most traveld sea routs.

Not that I don't belive it or not. I know it never took place.

Augustine Again: .

[size=16pt]only a born F00L will be looking for full details of nigerian military equipments on internet[/size]


nigeria is not a noise maker like south africa that will post full details of every equipment they have on internet for the whole public even before they start developing it, the whole world has details. nigeria is not different, or can you south africans find details of nigerian made amebo drone, bomb detonator robot, remote control land drone in mali war, and this new high-tech spy balloon ? anybody with just ordinary basic data on these nigerian made equipment ? nobody !

since year 2012, till today nobody in the whole public population has any simple detail about nigerian made new Igirigi APC. compare to south african Ratel, Rooivalk, or Badger....all the details are posted on internet for the whole world to read and analyse, even Seleka rebels can read it.

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/03/559829_533512746672629_191321013_n.jpg[/img]




nigerian F-7 jet has a radar and BRV capability no matter how small, but details of the range and type are not disclosed by the air force till today nad nigerian F-7 jets in custom built for nigeria alone according to our required specifications, no other country flies F-7NI versions, only nigeria. details of its limited but potent radar/BVR capabilities have not been disclosed to public since 2008 five years ago, sure its classified. nigeria payed more than the standard price for its F-7 jets, a little above Bangladesh F-7 jets which have BVR, HUD, air to air and air to groung search/targeting radars and engage more than one target simultaneousely

There is a lot of stuff that does not make it on line in SA a lot. Some times because they only proto types other times because they not a sale item.


Ever though that maybe no one cares about your home made stuff, I mean not even NAF cares about your home made drone considring they still bought isrealy drones. The ratel, badger, G6, extra are export items and thuse there is info about them on line. What arms does nigeria even sell. Do you know since 2003 SA has never sold less that 10 million worth of A,C and D class milltary hardware to nigeria most of it A class and in some years the numbers where close to 100 million in sales to nigeria.


The J7 radar is a joke and has a limted range and over all not very good. It has no means to launch long rang AAMs that even the mirage F1 and Cheeta of SA could launch.

And the fact nigeria payed more means what. The top of the line F7 is still a joke.

Augustine Again: my belief is nigeria used a rocket to launch the spy balloon for reason of rapidity as some companies do with their 120km aerostats, the army never disclosed how they launched it as usual top secret nigerian military information details is classified almost everytime.

niegria is not a noise maket like south africa that will post full details of every equipment they have on internet for the whole public even before they start developing it, the whole world has details. nigeria is not different, or can you south africans find details of nigerian made amebo drone, bomb detonator robot, remote control land drone in mali war, and this new high-tech spy balloon ? anybody with just ordinary basic data on these nigerian made equipment ? nobody !

nigeria launched and is still test firing missiles/rockets at Epe research center in lagos, i posted that details since April and you were not online that day. @andrewza saw it and got tired of seeing it, yet he is pretending he did not see it 3 times when i posted again in may last month.

for you @saengine, may y_our low calibre intellect continue to transmit genetically from generation to generation.


nigeria testing locally made long-range rockets/missiles at epe town on lagos sea coast

@Spirit says:
July 22, 2012 at 5:09 am
@Henry,
Your country has been “secretly” building and testing long range rockets (missiles?) in Epe, Lagos state. I know guys living in the area that claim they sometimes see the missiles soaring into the night skies even before the MOD made it public some 3 years ago. I thought the projects has been scrapped until the minister mentioned it last month.

http://beegeagle./2012/07/21/nigeria-success-story-in-defence-industry/

quote from :

Dr. Robert Ajaiyi Boroffice granted, before separating officially from the National Space Research and Development Agency (NASRDA)— where he served as Director-General and Chief Executive Officer for eight years

"I once wrote a story in The Sunday Guardian about NASRDA’s testing of experimental rockets at Epe, Lagos State…That caused quite an up-roar, globally!

Yes. So you can see what I mean! (Laughing) It’s a very sensitive issue.

So, where does the space programme go from here?

We are at a very critical stage of the space programme in Nigeria. NASRDA is putting one of the most important infrastructures on ground."

weblink source

http://ihuanedo.ning.com/group/betterlivingofedolitesandnigerians/forum/topics/nigeria-space-agency-at-the-crossroads


https://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/missile-test121025.jpg

And launching a rocket 120km will not be picked up by just about every one in the region. Not to menstion how do you deploy a ballon from a rocket. No we all know that is just another fact you sucked out of your thumb. Only fools will beilve you.

Donian007: Ok hes not a molester but you agree with the post. GOOD BOY #pats andrewza on d head#

He likes women and is a bit stupid. The first one makes him a man the second one makes him a politsion. So I just don't see the point.

agaugust: is soweto full of chronic liars ? that aircraft is not a jet engined aircraft, it is turbo-propeller and the engine is imported from Canada, see your own weblink saying it "Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-66 turboprop, 710 kW (950 shp)"

its not a big difference from nigerian made air beetle aircraft. please tell another story that can sell in newspaper.

stop posting oryx and cheetah as south african products, oryx is upgraded french built puma helicopter, cheetah is french built mirage 2000 jet, can you stop stealing glory of France and giving it to south africa ? south africans here hate france so much but yet France is a major backbone of south african military equipment.

south africa has NOT produced ant jet engine aircraft, @snydergp told same lie here and we proved him wrong....and that your flying 'bed bug' is still in prototype stage.

More thn nigeria has ever done. And what about the cheata.

Donian007: You must be a CONGOROCO. First: Nigeria never asked Britain for help to Mali, Britain out of her freewill gave us a C-17. Second: Its only foolish and cowardly to suggest that Nigeria drive to Mali. Third: Nigeria's delay to deploy to Mali was an intelligent move. Fourth: Nigeria has better heavy airlift capability than SA with our 8 C-130s, 5 G-222s and 2 Boeing 737s. Nigeria is betteroff for rapid deployment than today's SA cux we dnt spend foolishly and a stronger, larger, professional and more experienced manpower of over 100,000 soldiers soon to be increased to more than 150,000. I respect the defunct South African Defense Force(SADF) more than this lilly livered South African National Defense Whatever(SANDW/F).

Regaudless of the polical speach behind it nigeria used a britsh C17
Nigeria did drive forces to malil though.
The delay was because nigeria was not ready. They took so long france and chad where forced to save the day.


The 737 that naf uses is civlian spec and fill the role of SAAF. SAAF has flown our troops around before and a lot of there pilots are ex SAAF or reserve force.

Augustine Again: has south africa upgraded its air force 1950 generation Dakota Relic of a maritime patrol aircraft to perform like nigerian air force 2010 ATR-42 Surveyor maritime patrol aircraft ?

Actualy the dakota have received a number of upgrades over the years.

Donian007: How deaf and ignorant can you be? You've refused to acknowledge the FACT that Sudan was a UN mission. HABAA! DUMMY, Sudan was a UN mission! SIMPLE AND KLAAR!

So because it is a UN mission they gained the abliety to telport. I know the american payed for them but not even america can telport stuff around. Simple fact is you needed forghine help to move them arround.

Augustine Again: nigerian Augusta 109 are not a south african product, they are 100% Italian helicopters assembled in the Italian company's branch factory in south africa, just like American Ford motors has factory branch to assemble cars in south africa and that does not make Ford a south african product. stop stealing other countries glory and giving it to south africa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agusta

the augusta helicopters assembled in south africa also have a big problem both nigeria and south africa have been crashing and dying inside the c.ursed thing south africa assembled and the soweto d_emons follow it every where.

air to air combat Russian made Mi-35 Hind vs South African made Rooivalk, the battle tested Russian Mi-35 Hind which nigerian air force flies will win the head to head combat as a battle tested and world class helicopter gunship.

Rooivalk is a bogus untested south african helicopter gunship that no single country has purchased since almost 20 years a go, and you are boasting about it here ? nobody wants it except south africa, if it is as good as you say, one or two countries will buy your burdensome white elephant you call Rooivalk.

every country manufactures what it needs most at home and buys the rest from outside, nigeria manufactured at home a land drone unmanned surface vehicle, a land based anti-bomb remote control robot, high-tech space spy balloon, etc but south africa did not do such things. not only you makes modern weapons, so keep quiet now my boy.

now let @fighter pilot give us weblink to prove that south africa has manufactured a jet engine air craft by itself .

see the soweto assembled Augusta 109 helicopter you boast about kissing the ground and its south african airforce pilots R.I.P.

You know there are SA pilots who have flown the rooifalk, Mi24 and the supper hind. The rooivalk is seen has the better helcopter. And since when is the hind built for air to air combat. The rooival on the other hand was built to carry 2 AAMs along with it's other load out of AGMs and rockets.

Should we post picd of crashed nigerian aircraft or crashed american aircraft extra extra. Simply fact SA has a A109 producstion line run by denel(not augaste has you cliam) wher the best nigeria can do is what.

Augustine Again: which honour sir ? your fake weblink above cannot be opened, it does not exist. south africa nhas not built any jet engined aircraft, even your DENEL Rooivalk helicopter gunship you have been boasting of since page 1 of this thread, is flying with an imported engine built in France....south africa only welded metals together to build the helicopter body and electronics.

will your helicopter fly without the engine made in France and sold to you ? please manufacture another lie sir, this one is a penalty shot played over the bar, no goal

And the grpine flys with american engiens, you chinnes opvs will use german engiens, the finish AMV drives with sweddish engiens. Does this change the place where the concepte came up. I mean technacly the Cheata is south african it may use israle frames and french engiens but the concept and desghine are south african.

Hezron Lorraine: the little I know of his dirty shameless lifestyle.I can deduce he's a nymphomaniac.

And how does that make him a molestor. I mean who cares if he like give a littel. That does not mean he has commited any crimes before a court. If it is a sin before God then that is between them when jhe dies.

Augustine Again: dont dance around with funny ideas like a deer on drugs. when your valour warships came to nigerian waters they came with 76mm gun to attack, is it inside the nigerian waters you will be changing their guns to 155mm ? or you will borrow nigerian lagos shipyard/dockyard to refit bigger guns ? you forget that you are waging war 5,000km away from south africa home base ? you drink beer from bucket today again ?

fix 155mm guns on a warship built for 76mm gun recoil and you will k.ill your warships by yourself before nigeria attacks you. dont you know basic science ? Newton's 3rd Law Of Motion in Physics says "action and reaction are equal and opposite" so that 155mm gun will fire shell forward and recoil gun backwards and begin damage to that warship that is carrying the oversized gun beyond manufactures specification limits. even the GV6 Rhino chassis on its own is a victim of heavy recoil of a 155mm gun, that is the problem of heavy guns on a platform and towed artillery escapes the recoil problem.

even my first simulation compared south african navy blockade vs nigerian military counter attack using what we both have already, and south africa will still lose. you were not expecting my attack to come from nigerian army artillery, you own simulation says nigeria will attack south african warships with NNS THUNDER, ARADU, F-7JETS, ALPHA JETS, etc.

i just proved to you that in real war the enemy will surprise like seleka rebels did. the nigerian space satellites and new spy balloons plus too many 15 nigerian coastal radar stations (10 from israel 5 from america ) are far more than enough to locate, track, target and bombard to sink all south african valour warships in a 2 minute shelling surprise attack that they never expected.

50 long range palmaria mobile artillery, 70 Bofors Haubits and 200 D-30 towed artillery are more than enough to sink only 4 warships by firing in rapid 2 minutes 4,000 widely spread out HEAT rounds high explosive anti-armour/tank shells...no navy will every survive that. coastal based artillery guns are a ship k.iller and feared anti-ship weapon anytime anywhere.

when the valour ships sink, your submarine will be recalled back home to defend south africa against nigerian counter attack because the best south african warships are sunk to sea bottom....except the admirals in pretoria are F00LS then they will not recall those submarines back home. if the admiral is a F00L he can keep the south african submarine that is running out of fuel in nigeria waters waiting until nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor maritime patrol aircraft get fitted with the modern and sophisticated anti-submarine search and d.estroy equipment same as the ATR-72 ASW, and nigeria sinks the south african submarines to sea bottom also, and pretoria has no real naval power anymore ? that is reality of war in real life, you enemy will think, plan, strategize, and react to all your moves.

lastly i will tell you that in reality of life if south african navy blockades nigerian waters before our 4 new stealth guided missile warships arrive from china and china to mount nigerian navy defence fleet against south africa, the next thing nigeria will do is to quickly buy chinese long range anti-ship missiles and sink all those south african warships. if you are the nigerian chief of naval staff, wont you do the same ? think now, and stop being childish. no rich country like nigeria with over $60 Billion cash reserve will sit down and watch itself being pushed around when it can buy cheap 100 chinese anti-ship missiles for just $150 million peanut money.

go sit down men !

please dont disturb me again with this F00LISH adventure of a south african naval blockade of nigeria, it will end in a disaster, and the failure starts with the fact that south africa has NO, i repeat NO single satellite to spy and do recce against nigeria. south african navy will be fighting a wide area ocean war blind as a bat, not able to see beyond the small area where each ships can manage to see, is that how they fight modern day war ? south africa without a satellite today is like a world war II 1940 military in a wide area or distant from homeland war.

no wonder south african army did not see Seleka rebels mobilizing, deploying, and advancing against them untill the rebels were face to face with them in close combat.

now that blind bat eyed south african military wants to mount naval blockade 5,000km away from home against a major african military power like nigeria ? rubbish and heaps of rubbish called an idea !


please come back to debate this issue when south africa may have a functioning satellite in year 2017


Agaugust


nigerian army has 50 of this powerful Palmaria mobile long range artillery guns among its different type of artillery weapons totaling about 1,000


https://sp6.fotolog.com/photo/6/28/5/argentina_ea/1249917925504_f.jpg

The change could be done in simmons town or durban. And the point is that the valour was built to take the reciol of the 155mm round. Never known the G6 to have problems with recoil.


Point out all ready that we don't ever have to come in range of your guns. Ever we can stay 100 km away and still blokade your ports. Some thing you keep on failing to address is why the valour would close in on to the battriess. We could stay 50km out of the ports and laugh at you. Even in my first war game I menstioned the valour would not come in close.

HEAT warheads? From a arty gun firing indirected? Ok you just proved you only know the ficstion of war not the relatie of war. Do you even know how a HEAT round works. You still have not explaned how your guns will get real time fireing data from any of your sensory sytems.

Again talking about things you do not have.


Since when did 2 opvs become 4 warships? And again talking about things you do not have. SA has more money to spend so if you want I can all so start at that game of your.


You are fool who should sit down and stop makeing him self look like a fool.

I have all ready point out how wrong you are on that point. But beive what you will the opion of a fool matters nothing to me.

Has pointed out infomasion from satlites is not real time. For either of our satlites. In CAR a reccon aircraft or UAV was needed. A gripen over flighted of the north was complecated but SA did not want to seem like a agrissve force.


Since when is it mighty. I mean what makes it so mighty. And it is 49 not 50.

Augustine Again: ....your growing list of F00LISH questions for which i do not have F00LISH answers.

The only fool is you who has no anserws to the qustions I have asked. These are imporanted qustions that either destroy the credbielty of those who have not been able to anserw them(aka T-craft hull) or bring in to qustion the abliety of those who can not anserw them in under standing how sytems work (aka real time infomastion from satlites) or in genrail qustion the bielvied abliety of the nigerian miltary (aka does nigeria use high tech arty rounds that SA is one of only a few manfactoures. Did you know to fire the GPS round from the archer you need a very high tech set up of fire control and foward target marking sytem that only America makes. Only a few NATO countries use the sytem ) so the only fool is you and your frendis.

Augustine Again: ....some F00LISH people who wish to deceive you.

You the fool who is blind to the truth.

Augustine Again: your military training is poor. every nation at war will buy new weapons to counter new threats, quote source the law that says "no country shall buy new weapons during a war". try read war history and learn.

if that your submarine runs out of torpedoes during war, wont south africa buy new topedoes ? nigeria built up a whole combat air force of 54 jet fighters and jet bombers during B.iafra war when the new threat came because B.iafra was attacking nigeria with weapons nigeria does not have....combat aircraft B-26 Bomber, then nigeria in the war time purchased Mig-17 jet fighters to counter the new threat.

south africa has only 4 good warships, and it take one day to sink them, but many years to replace them with new.
nigeria can buy 100 cheap chinese long range anti-ship missiles in few weeks against only 4 south african warships, no navy admiral will stay and be hit with 100 missiles in one hour, he will either run or he will R.I.P.

lay mines in sea, for minesweepers to sweep away like a housewife cleaning her kitchen floor. south african waters can be counter-mined too. i say be smart, nobody in war has monopoly of hitting without being hit back. seleka is your teacher.

that is the reality of life, face facts and dont keep on thinking about what south african military can do to an enemy without thinking of what the enemy will do in retaliation against south africa. seleka's shocking attack and victory should have taught you a big lesson of life, i hope.

It noth against what countries could and could not do. We are comparing them has they stand now. Right now SA spends 1.2% to 1.5% of the GDP on defense(one of the lowest in levels in africa yet our budget is only beaten by egypt amercain aid budget). You think it will stay that in a war. But we are comparing them has they stand.


Did you know the valour can replace the 76mm with a G6 155mm tauuret with a auto loader. That it can carry 16 extra VL missiels of any type, be fited with LEO 150 Active protecstion sytem, extra extra extra. Point is for this comparisine I used a block standard valour with only a nother 16 SAMs

So don't do the we can just buy this and that because even then you will loose. There is more capital in SA than nigeria to spend.

Augustine Again: you posted 2 out-dated sources, south africa's satellite expired in september 2012 and is now a useless piece of metal junk roaming about in space like a lost hunting dog !

weblink source for current year 2013 not old year 2011 :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SumbandilaSat

stop telling lies in the face of open evidence and proof that you are lying, dont they teach you about honesty and integrity in south africa ? morals make a great nation, not only money !

I gave the companys web site and a news articaly that is not even a month old.

Augustine Again: your countrymen like @saengine and @defenceweb have not told the above lie and falsehood, because they want to avoid public embarrassment. try copy them, be wise.

Then who liked the 2 posted I posted give sources of SA satlites and there uses.

Augustine Again: .

[img]http://www.sstl.co.uk/getattachment/c55c8836-e43f-49d1-9edb-d2d43f79e42c/Singapore-Port?width=636[/img]


watching nigeria's coast and ocean, nigerian satellite NigeriaSat-2 gives real-time information of enemy movements to the military for combat operations against all enemy forces in real-time accuracy.

QUOTE :

"A redundant pair of SGR-10 (Space GPS Receiver-10) is used providing real-time PVT (Position, Velocity, Time) data.

WEB LINK SOURCE

(paragraph of fig 5): https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/n/nigeriasat-2


nigeria can use land based artillery, or simply buy some land based radar/GPS satellite guided YJ-82 or YJ-12 anti-ship missiles with long range up to 500km in a few weeks from China, and launch them from nigerian coast land to sink all enemy warships to sea bottom.

no naval blockade of nigerian ocean waters can succeed, it will be the end of that invading navy for ever.

.Agaugust

China's new export....land based anti-ship missile with long range 500km

https://wareye.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/83.jpg

Either you don't under stand the sytem those satlites employ or you don't know what real time means.


Don't talk about what nigeria could buy. I could just has easly say SA could by long range ship to shore missiels.


It all so seems non of you seem to under stand what a blockade is. It is just the sytem of blocking access of ships to your harbor. We could do that with mines launched from a sub. They cost about 500 rand to make.

Augustine Again: y_ou have an unknown thinking p_roblem that south african doctors are not able to diagnose, try a natural cure herbalist

.

Has uasual when you have no anserw you try any tactics to ignore it. Please anserw the qustion it is now part of a ever growing list of qustion the fools refuse to anserw.

Augustine Again: show us weblink source to prove that south africa has satellites functioning today for use by its military.

i begin to pity y_our w_ife...how does she cope with y_ou ? or both of y_ou think and tell open lies the same craaaaazy way ?

I posted 2 seprated sources.

1 showing how a SA satlite took pics of japan after the 2011 earthquake and another detaling the use by SANDF in CAR. Not my fault you blind to the truth.

Hezron Lorraine: oga go bury ur face in congo.didn't he-Jacob Zuma(rockhead) admit to having intimate affair with an hiv-positive woman knowing fully well her status.but he ain't got the aids cause as he said he just took a shower and washed off.
It ain't a new thing Zuma can put his 2 inch pencil stick in anything.

How does that make him a molester.

Augustine Again: a spy satellite has no fixed definition in english language, but its function is the basis for calling it by that name.
webster dictionary of its old definition calls it a satellite that detects nuclear explosion, that is an out-dated cold war definition about their secret launch or classified existence. wikipedia gave the new modern definition as a satellite that does reconnaissance (finding information about the enemy or an environment), very simple, please dont come and complicate it. google is your friend.

any satellite that has capability to see things without being noticed, is a spy satellite by function, by default.

**DSTV movie entertainment satellite is NOT included.

**Nigerian multi-purpose satellites watching B.oko H.aaram and Mali Al-Quaeda rebels in war zones and reporting their operations to nigerian army command and control headquaters, are included.

nigerian satellites are multi-purpose. south africa has NO satellite functioning as at today. truth we cannot change until year 2017.

dont give yourself high-blood pressure, nigerian satellites are not peeping into your bathroom !

nigerian military is the only force in all africa that can fight war with the full aid of satellite to see all the secret movements of enemy air, land and sea forces to gain advantage of victory over nigeria's enemy


https://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/dhtml_slides/10/missile/img/slide02.jpg

You do know SA operats satlites and the SANDF makes use of them from time to time. So nigeria is not alone.

Augustine Again: .

[size=16pt]nigerian satellite NigeriaSat-2 gives nigeria real-time information of movements on earth[/size]



A redundant pair of SGR-10 (Space GPS Receiver-10) is used providing real-time PVT (Position, Velocity, Time) data.

Each receiver has two antennas ensuring excellent coverage of the GPS constellation throughout the orbit and across the wide range of slew angles that NigeriaSat-2 allows. A recursive orbit estimator runs on the OBC that uses the GPS PVT data to maintain up-to-date estimates of the orbit ephemeris. This allows NigeriaSat-2 to accurately project forward its own trajectory and make timing and attitude corrections prior to image capture to ensure accurate targeting.

weblink source (paragraph of fig 5): https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/n/nigeriasat-2

Below is the image of an american airport captured by nigerian satellite. Any warship attempting naval blockade of nigerian ocean waters will be seen, targeted, bombarded in real time and sunk to sea bottom by nigerian military.

Image of the American Salt Lake City Airport at 2.5 m resolution captured by NigeriaSat-2 in Sept. 2011 (image credit: NASRDA, SSTL)

Since when is it real time. And satlites have used GPS for years now.

NaijaPikinGidi: Mutual military assistance is a component of Military bilateral agreements. Did you stop to wonder why President Zuma visited Nigeria in May 2013, and then hurriedly invited President Jonathan over to South Africa for a State visit? Does it ring a bell that it was during the visit that a Nigerian-South African Defence pact was signed? Does that coincidentally just lead to the inauguration of the AU Standby Force all in the same month? SA needs Nigeria's military collaboration like crazy! The CAR lesson is very explicit.

The truth is that we do not CHARTER planes for our airlifts. We uses our planes maximally and where we need to marginally increase deployment rates our allies are welcome to chip in what they can at no cost to Nigeria. SA will do well to learn how Nigeria's military have succeeded in Africa. WE DO NOT CHARTER scandalously like the SANDF that claim to be the alpha and omega in military operations in Africa.

The reason why everything about the CAR debacle is proudly South African?

You really think your your C130s are enough. If it was not for western air power your mission in serrir leon would have failed same for malili. SA has never needed another country to move the solders and supplys around. We do it our selfs.



ASF has been around for some time. It is nothing new. Has for SA needing nigeria conerning CAR. Nigeria has no rapid deployment force and malil is proof where it tooks months to deploy to a country you can drive to. SA had more than a infantry battlion ready to strike CAR in stanstion in Uganda and DRC along with air support. But the regional force was all ready behind there new french pupet so the green light was never given.

NaijaPikinGidi: NAF Charters ... you'd say and assume by the that report ... but where did we Charter to? That's why I mentioned the Police Force because they usually are not covered by the military's airlift assets. Yet question is ... how often does Nigeria engage or deploy the Police outside of Nigeria? Please stop your tip-toeing around the issue! We will not CHARTER!

http://www.npf.gov.ng/news/view-news?id=103#.Ubn2SMp5eIg

The qustion still stands how did thos MTLBs get to sudan because it was not by a C130. And it was a address mad by NAF not your poiliece force. You are the only one who does not think nigeria uses charted flights. You think nigeria is some how speciol.

NaijaPikinGidi: Braggard!! R100 million is nothing? Well the screenshot below makes you sound silly!! And the link to the news report has such and overflow of clear comments and views by your fellow South Africans detailing so much frustrations at the monumental waste and pain your SANDF managers are causing to taxpayers!! Stop beating your flat chest please!!
http://za.news.yahoo.com/r160m-spent-car-054626855.html

And not one of those people know how much money the SANDF spends. If they knew how much it cost to maintain our base in sudan and DRC they would stop talking.

NaijaPikinGidi: Mr. AndrewZA's "Q" moment. It wasn't gonna be long before you asked your typical questions, not so? The point was about SANDF's callous R100 million expenditure on chartered planes when suddenly you all attempted to turn the heads of argument on Nigeria. Well ... we do not CHARTER!!

R100 million rand is nothing. That would not even cover all the paint used by the SAN


And we showed proof that NAF does charter even hennry the only nigerian here that is not a fool agrees.

NaijaPikinGidi: Chartered to military or civilian planes? To visit or invade South Africa? What proof?

Who said any thing about SA.