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NaijaPikinGidi: Except where Nigeria agrees/decides otherwise, we always take care of our military deployments. Sudan was an UN mission, and the UN is responsible for the transportation of troops and gear from contributor nations to the area of operation (be they Nigerian or Ethiopean). Simple and klaar!

So you need the un to transport you around. Funny how SAAF handels all there own UN deployment either with how own air craft or charted flights.


And in malil you need western support to transport. And that defenseweb post clear shows that NAF uses charted flights.

NaijaPikinGidi: Your desperation is epic!! R100 million spent in 4 months by a famed South Africa that builds everything in the spectrum of modern technology? The joke is on you Mr. SAEngine. The point remains Nigeria did not CHARTER, have not CHARTERED and WILL NOT throw away taxpayers money so carelessly in ongoing missions. Nigeria's C130s and G222s are still caressing the clouds and skies airlifting gallant men and their hardware to the places where they are required.

Where art thy might oh South Africa? In the hands of the SELEKAITES at the gates of CAR!!

http://za.news.yahoo.com/r160m-spent-car-054626855.html

Proof was showen that nigeria does in did charter flights. Only you seem to think diffrent.

NaijaPikinGidi: Fools like Mr. SAEngine really die hard!!



Until you provide proof of heavy Nigerian deployments on CHARTERED planes your best remains to speculate. While Nigeria's C130s and G222s are doing the rounds lifting and dropping-off our troops and hardware, SANDF is welcome to take a cue from our silent and robust military missions across the continent. It's a no brainer Mr. SAEngine.

Did we not provide proof that nigeria uses charted flights. Please explian how NAF deployed MTLB and other heavy gear to sudan with C130s.

DictatorZAR: That's why you are crowned africa's kidnapping capital and most ethnically divided country.

You for got corruptsion, poverty(over 100 million), extra

agaugust: https://ammazulu.com/images/stop_the_lies.jpg



its so hard to trust and believe any south african now. blame yourselves for destroying you public credibility and respect. you lie too much.

south africa has a satellite today, nigeria has only one satellite, south african murder rate per capita is lower than that of nigeria, DSTV is south africa's spy military satellite, Ford and BMW are south african made cars, BAE Systems British Aerospace is a south african company, south africa has the strongest military in africa even without a single satellite, south african army killed 500 seleka in march, changed to 600 in april, now its 800 in may/june.....

the devil is a liar and he holds a south african citizenship passport

I post proof that SA has a satlite in orbit technalcly it is 2 sunspace launched in 2007 and sunbandilasat launched 2009. No you have 2 but non where built in nigeria. No one knows the true crime statistics of nigeria since you keep such poor records. No it is a comons satlite same has the chinness one that is a nigerian white elphant, there are cars of the ford and other brands that are made in SA, BAE land sytems south africa is a south african company, since when did a satite matter and it turns out we do. Never thought more people could have died sa losses are now at 15 CAR has zero medical care right now a gun shot to the foot could turn deadly, or there is more uptodate infomastion.



That all of those points. When will you anserw the qustions I asked long time ago, such has your source for the componstion of the hull of the T-craft, proof of nigerian archer arty sytem, proof nigeria have more advance arty sytem, explian how nigeria would mange the logist of handling 500 pluse guns concetrated in vostal areas, extra extra.

agaugust: https://www.melovemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/wealth2.jpg




[size=16pt]ranking of best economies in africa by GDP per capita PPP [/size]

(1) $ 36,600 Equatorial Guinea
(2) $ 23,200 Seychelles
(3) $ 14,500 Gabon
(4) $ 14,000 Mauritius
(5) $ 14,000 Libya
(6) $ 14,000 Botswana
(7) $ 10,700 South Africa


weblink source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

south africa is NOT number one in terms of citizens income/purchasing power to buy things and enjoy life per capita

But when you llok at other factors SA is still a head. Take botswana. It has a higher GDP per capita but all so a higher aids preverlance. You can not look at 1 point but you need to look at the whole picture. I mean have you seen the gdp per capita of china.

solomon111: philip emeagwali has the one of the highest I.Q in the world.
Btw,if Nigerians can come into your country and take your jobs through fair competition,that shows they are smarter.
Even the few criminal Nigerians that sells drugs to your daft populace don't even use these drugs.

The most succsfull people in SA are still south african.

NaijaPikinGidi: "Congratulations" Mr. AndrewZA!! But try again!!

It true though. SA is better off than any other african country.

sheyie2007: Why do southern Africans think they're better than other Africans? Beats me..

Maybe because we are. There are countries that may have 1 or 2 areas where they are better than SA. But no countrie in africa can compete with SA has a whole.

Henry120: Yes, nigeria employs the use of charter planes. We also ask friendly nations for assistance. Case in point, afisma operations in mali were british C-17's helped us ferry some of our heavy equipments.

End of the day not even russia and america have enough heavy lift Aircraft to transport all there forces and gear. For the iraq invasion most of the gear of the usa moved through sea lifted many times useing civlian contracted ships.

NaijaPikinGidi: I admire your love for books Mr. AndrewZA, unfortunately they are written by human beings. Think of what I just said. However, we did not charter and will never charter!! Prove me wrong!!

So how did you get the MTLB to sudan. Fact is Nigeria would need to use charted flights. The C130 is not a strajic lift aircraft and has a limted capacty and when full loaded limmted range.


Yes but unlike the internet post I know who rights the book. Any fool can edit a wikpedia padge. Just look a the padge on SANDF and nigerian milltary and see the number of facts given with out a source. I have read stuff online in wikpedia, armyrecognistion, extra extra that made me laugh.

The author of the book is a well knowen and trusted source.

saengine: NaijaPikinGidi

You nicely avoided anserwing any of my questions regarding the state of Nigeria C130's. You don't have to answer, I don't actually care anymore. So Nigerian generals would rather have your troops complain about being left stranded in Sudan, than swallow their pride and charter jets. If that's what you guys do then fine, like I say I don't care. The majority of the equipment we charter is heavy equipment, we don't charter our own troops generally. Helicopters for example. It costs much much more to fly our helicopters to their bases in DRC, than to put them on a charter and re-assembly them that side. Most airforces do that when travelling long distances like we do.

Seleka did not capture any heavy artillery, any heavy weapons, and helicopters and jets etc etc. They have Geko vehicles used by our paratroopers and modified Toyota vehicles, as well as the R4 rifles taken from killed SA troops. That's it. Read how the battle in CAR unfolded here. This is the most detailed and accurate description of the battle you will find anywhere on the net or anywhere else for that matter. Read it, don't read it...i don't care. Believe it, don't believe it...i dont care. The troops on the ground did us proud and thats all that matters. http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1.1493841

Even america uses charted flights. They even have have tender out for a contracted to operate in africa for africom that will move sf teams. Yet nigeria thinks they deffrent. How do they think they moved there stuff to sudan and somllia.



There is a book "the battle in bangui that explians the entire situsionstion.

NaijaPikinGidi: So what is your point?

When the DSTV head office in SA says somthing the nigerian office has to agree.

NaijaPikinGidi: You need a lot of schooling to know that DSTv operations in Nigeria are co-owned by Nigerians. You Mr. AndrewZA and young Mr. FighterPilot can only wish that Nigerians were non-existent on planet earth. Nigeria's Companies and Corporate Affairs Commission laws are clear on the fact that foreign companies wishing to setup in Nigeria must have a perentage Nigerian investment and shareholding component. It is the case in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Ghana to mention a few! Stop being delusional young men!! At this rate you must be getting quite hypertensive and the Nigeria that you perpetually underestimate.

No apologies ... we hold DSTv shares!

Much in the same way Ford SA, mercadies SA, toyata SA, extra extra extra have SA ownship. Does not change the ownship of the parent company.

NaijaPikinGidi: :: Well ... you don't know how Madame Mapisa may have taken the suggestion above.
:: The current scenario clearly signifies the difference between our militaries if there becomes an immediate need for military deployments anywhere in the world. While Nigeria saves and earns cash from our airlift assests SANDF and SA are forced to spend.
:: Abandoned military hardware and vehicles? Where in war do soldiers abandon gears if not in a state of defeat? For the SELEKA fighters it must be case of "finders keepers" on those abandoned mil-assets.

SA left CAR a "long time ago" ... but you lost men and hardware acquired with taxpayers money. Very interesting!!

I bielve in every single war stuff has been left behind. Some times it is just cheaper to replace than pay for it's returen.


Only thing of true value was the commons sytem belonging to the training teams base


A number of vechiles where destroyed or damged at the Y juncstion ambush and where left behind.

NaijaPikinGidi: You must be oblivious to the fact that Nigerians own shares in DSTv? Get yourself a cool drink my boy!!

Just because they provid you a servise does not mean any nigerians control DSTV

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south africa space agency can pay for other countries that have satellites to help them take occassional photos, same way ghana pays nigeria for our satellite to help them take and send photos directly to the ghana space agency. dont come and defraaud us here, we are well educated people living in advanced countries.


that your weblink is around year 2010 story, south african SumbandilaSat satellite has expired ! the story is out dated ! that satellite was launched in 2009 withy 3 years orbit life ended 2012, and it has expired !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SumbandilaSat

south africa has NO satellite functioning today, and it will take you till about year 2017 to have one !

QUOTE

"South Africa has no functioning satellites orbiting earth because its most recent low-orbit pathfinder satellite, SumbandilaSat, which was launched into space from Kazakhstan’s Baikonur Cosmodrome in September 2009, was damaged in a solar storm in 2010. Although it could still communicate with Sansa, it could no longer perform its primary data-gathering function, so in effect it was rendered space junk."

PROOF

weblink source : http://www.irishtimes.com/news/south-african-ambition-goes-into-orbit-1.535072

south african government says it has no functioning satellite, your european masters also confirmed it thsi month june 2013, and you @andrewza is fraudulently posting expired information of 2010 about your expired satellite of 2012....were you born f_raudulent or you trained yourself to do f_rauds ?

[size=16pt]south africa has no satellite today, and i was wasting my time simulating naval blockade with such a weak spy and out-dated monitoring intelligence south african navy against a nigeria that has 3 functioning powerful satellites and several air borne high-tech spy balloons, go read falklands war navl battle history of old year 1982, satellites monitoring was used by both USA and USSR to help Britain and Argentina.

now in new year 2013 south africa is tyring to mount naval blockade against a nigeria with 10 times superior spy and information gathering and enemy monitoring, what a s_tupid adventure and i did not know, i was just wasting my time.

go build a functioning satellite first on your target launch date of 2017, then come back and try a naval blockade of a country that watches you and your wives playing in your backyard swimming pool !!!!

no wonder south african army could not see seleka rebels coming to attack them !

lets ask this topics question again :

who has the strongest military in africa ?

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The Sumbandilasat image on the right was taken on 5/4/2011 and clearly illustrates the devastation caused by the 11/3/2011 tsunami when compared with a Google Earth image of the same area date- stamped 15/9/2010.

The image also illustrates that value for a country in having access to its own satellites and makes the case for a constellation of four or more small satellites that can provide daily imagery over selected points on the ground. 



Mm 2011 is after 2010 right.




Why does nigeria not go and build a satlite before you start talikng. Nigeria has never built any satlite. All of them are chinnes and and britsh.


So the anerw is what now.

agaugust: .
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[size=16pt]south africa has NO satellite......truth reveals this major military weakness ![/size]





QUOTE :

"South Africa has no functioning satellites orbiting earth because its most recent low-orbit pathfinder satellite, SumbandilaSat, which was launched into space from Kazakhstan’s Baikonur Cosmodrome in September 2009, was damaged in a solar storm in 2010. Although it could still communicate with Sansa, it could no longer perform its primary data-gathering function, so in effect it was rendered space junk."

weblink source : http://www.irishtimes.com/news/south-african-ambition-goes-into-orbit-1.535072


why do you south africans tell lies so much ? nigeria has 3 great satellites, south africa has zero, no wonder you hated nigerian use of its spy satelliets anytime we mention it on this forum. what a shame, the so called better country soweto republic has no single functioning satellite as at today, and you want to defeat nigeria in war ?


nigeria can watch your president jacob zuma and his 4 wives doing 3_some or 5_some in their garden swimming pool and we post their photos on facebook

in war nigeria is 10 time more powerful than south africa in strategic level high-tech military spying and enemy movement information gathering.

add the new nigerian army made spy space balloons to our arsenal, we will watch all south african army troops/vehicles, air force aircraft, navy warships in real-time and counter attack to win by element of surprise.

south africa is an over-rated noise maker, and you want fight nigeria ? i pity soweto.

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http://www.sunspace.co.za/home/


Funy how sa is still takings pics after 2010




You still have explianed how it works when it there is cloud cover.

Henry120: Yh, I pity the ethiopians. The military muscle egypt has is very enormous.

Do the ethiopians have modern SAM's? They still have a fairly potent airforce though, with quite a few SU-27's. however, I don't know their numbers in total. Not forgetting a fairly good defence industry.

I know during the ethiopia-eriteria war the eritrians shot down ethiopian MIG-29's, with their(eritrian) own SU-27's.

Uganda currently has 6 SU-30's, with another 6 on order. So 12 in number.
They have also placed orders for 100 T-90's. You have any idea, the number of egyptian F-16's?

They ment to have SA-2 and SA-3. No idea on there opernasyional level. They all so have 11 SU27 a great fighter.

NaijaPikinGidi: Mr. AndrewZA's typical questions!! You've got brains ... why not use them! Or better still find some books written by Nigerian Authors where they answer this question of yours!! You sure like and enjoy books by Nigerian authors! Or maybe you don't?

A lot of nigerians are more loyal to one or more diffrent ethnic groups than nigeria has a whole. So why would they help when they may be indifrent.

Henry120: Why wouldn't they fight for their fatherland? You don't have to be an intelligence officer before you would be able to send intel. Movements, locations, family members, family members numbers etc etc all these are critical intelligence which can be gotten in loads from nigerians in SA

Who says the suport nigeria.


And why do you need to have a SA whive to get that info.

NaijaPikinGidi: Mr. AndrewZA, clearly, the new dimension I have thrown in here has unsettled you and our South African friends here!!

I'll remind us again that chances of a war with South Africa are 0.0000000001%. However, Nigeria's Intel surely has the turnkey capacity to mobilise and deploy SFs for clinical strike missions in your territory. We are embedded locally!!! Agaugust may not have known ... but his simulation correctly centred on certain defensive strategy variables that could form core ingridients in defining intel for SFs operations anywhere is SA.

I have said enough now! Thank you!

Why would those nigerians in SA help nigeria.

Even if they did help most of them have zero training in any SF work.

There are no nogerians in the SA defense industry or department. You have no edge. It is not like you are a SADC countrie who sends solders to SA.

NaijaPikinGidi: I will not decend to your level because your blatant insults will never trump my intellect. I'd quickly just reveal a few things you are ignorant of:

:: SA women with Nigerian husbands will come in handy for our intel and SFs missions when and where necessary.
:: Soon enough you'll have Nigerian members of your parliament for real!!!
:: Many Nigerians know very well how to blend into their host environment because we are black and can employ guile to appear local anywhere in Africa.
:: A lot of Nigerians speak the language of your local communities with good local diction and accents.
:: A lot of these Nigerians are everywhere and on the payroll of NA intel corps.
:: We wine and dine with your ANC top guns and fat cats.
:: We do not have identification according to you, nothwithstanding we can identify ourselves. It's natural in Nigeria to know our kit and kin and to welcome foreigners to our midst. Yet, in SA with your ID books the Zulus will attack fellow South Africans (Vendas, Tshangans, etc.,) whenever you have an excuse to go on Xenophobic attacks to loot foreigner properties because people from Limpopo province are not South Africans?
:: In deed, we are checking or open ECOWAS borders, and wouldn't need to remind you to check your leaking borders as well.
:: Brains and not brawns Mr. DictatorZA is Nigeria's advantage over SA. We can't be bothered about cowards with shiny weapons.

In your mind Mr. DictatorZA, the NA has been infiltrated by B.Haram, yet the NA is still standing having gallantly cleaned out the hideouts of B.Haram? You just wish!! It took less than two weeks to clean out B.Haram. Whereas your SA military forces refused to step into the Cape Flats even when your Helen Zille called for intervention to check the violent gangs in the Cape Flats? SA goes where they think they have economic interests (e.g. CAR) and get beaten back in SELEKA selection style!!

Porous borders in Nigeria? Yet SA cannot check the influx of Zimbabweans, Angolans, Zambians and other foreign citizens crossing the Limpopo River on crocodile backs into SA? Be grateful that SA is located and surrounded by countries with insignificant Islamist influences. Otherwise, you must realise that folks from the Northern places of Nigeria share significant pre-colonial era cultural, social and economic ties which got interrupted by present national boundary demarcations. And just to let you know that it remains an ECOWAS policy to encourage free movement of ECOWAS citizens from one country to the other with no need for visas or harassment. This policy, the B.Haram have exploited and are now paying for. Educating you on Nigeria will surely be a waste of my precious time but I am willing to waste some bit on you.

How will any of that help in SF/intel missions. The most spoken langue in the SANDF is SA english.


How will haveing a civlian wive help.



We know our norders are a problem but have. Begone a masive invrease inpatrol there.


SANDF has no mandait to interven in internal sercirty affairs. We only step in once it is complete chasos. Polcie have not lost control yet.


Most ileagels get caught at least once. But they just try until the get in or bribe the cops/home affairs guys. Borders can never be 100% but our are by far not the worst.

agaugust: @DictatorZAR
@Agaugust

So now your explanation would be your guns and artillery would hide in civilian areas behind houses, so much for the respected Nigeria Army who uses human shields in a conventional war. Now this didn't come up in your "so calles simulation" I guess its another one of your military industry fraudulent dream.

nigerians live naturally on the coast and tall buildings are naturally there, e.g lagos, port hacourt, etc

You Mr Expert FRAUDSTAR forgot to account also that the Valour Class ships has a ICBM capability (which SAN left empty due to no current need for such offensive missile).

south africa has NO money to buy an ICBM, its very expensive, try maintain your cold freezer storage Gripen jets first

You didn't know the Thales FRA MRR-3D NG G-band multi-role Radar can up coastal threats did you.

Now your NNS Aradu and Thunder will need to get out to sea, and the Aradu's Otomat's will need helicopter guidance, and the Fennec NNS helo's is no match for both Super Lynx-300 or Rooivalk which is on a level of there own. Both NNS ships will be under full threat of submarine-torpedoes.

2 submarines will not be omni-present in a 300,000 sq km massive nigerian ocean zone.


you dont know how to fight real war, dont waste my time. i am done with this simulation stuff. goodbye my student.

So you will put guns in the middel the city where they may hit buildings and the air flow is unnatrual? Great brains on your head.

Maintaing a missiel is actualy easy since for the most part they in storage. The 16 empty VLC can be loaded with a range of missiels from more sams to cruisse missiels.


No but subs will sink your fleet has they leav your harbour. They can all so receive tarfet locastion from the valour.

agaugust: your post is so clumsy and confusing because you just did massive copy and paste.

my own post is very clear and simple....nigeria has 3 functioning full sized satellites as at today and south africa has zero.

weblink source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21954395

But dirtorza post explians there rols of those 3. And SA micro satlite has a high resloutsion cammrar. And SA actualy built there satlite. We did not need the brits or chinness to do it.

agaugust: @DictatorZAR

@Agaugust

Now fool what Exocet missiles are on NNS ships, because there's only 8 Otomat missiles on your best Frigate the NNS Aruda

F00L, the white-men in south africa deceive you that only your country has Exocet missiles, F00L see weblink of the users list, Nigerian navy has Exocet missiles too, http://weaponsystems.net/weapon.php?weapon=HH10%20-%20Exocet

We as SA peeps here left out one very important long range stand of weapon on the Valour ships which is a Surface-to-Surface Missile, can be used against coastal targets at a stand of range of 70-180km away. The MM40 Block II/III onboard the SAS ships can hit every artillery system at 70KM away, and take out every radar installations.

South African valour frigate has only 8 Exocet missiles standard, and maybe extra 16 i just hope, do you want to use 24 missiles to find and hit over 500 artillery guns hiding behind camouflage and obstruction structures ? do the maths.

if you waste all south african valour frigate Exocet missiles trying to hit nigerian artillery, nigerian NNS Thunder, NNS ERINMI, NNS ANYAM, etc and NNS ARADU can come out and sink your valour frigates with superior heavy guns because you wasted your Exocet missiles looking for nigerian artillery guns you will never find from distant sea, how does a sea ships's radar find and lock-on to land based artillery guns and send Exocet missiles flying and turning corners around confusing land metal clutter, houses, huge building in the city. does your own Exocet missiles move like snakes twisting about obstacles in the bush ?

you did not come to my classroom for lecture today, see how you failed now

By the way Nigeria only has one satellite for military surveillance plus satellites.By the way not even all of those satellites are fully functional today.

show us your strange source of all details about current capacity and operational use of all nigerian 3 satellites as at today june 2013.

also show us source to prove that south africa has any one functioning full size modern high resolution military satellite today

Another thing F-7's are not dedicated maritime strike craft and this includes your even older Alpha's that will be even better targets.

F-7 jet shooting down Rooivalk helicopter in the air is doing its natural interceptor role, that is NOT a maritime role

pay your school fees and come back to my classroom or you may drop out of school and remain illiterate.

Let's see how your artillery will fair in a high ECW enviroment where radar and radios would be jammed and where MM40 Block2/3 would be available for use against ships and coastal targets.

show us source to prove that only south africa has monopoly of ECW electronic jamming in the whole of africa

all nigerian ssm are from the 1980s. the old probaly expired, out dated in the modern world and basicly worthless vs a valour or even our strike crafts.



never thought that we would just fire them at your radar. big targets that broadcast to the world where they are.

show a source you have 3 satlites with cammras. only 2 have cammras

that littil miccro satlight has a high reslution cammra. but non of it matters since non of it is real time.


been exlianed and it will end up in a figh vs a valour.



we have shown proof that sa uses world class EW sytems now the ball is in your court.

agaugust: thanks to nigerian 100% airspace modern TRACON total radar coverage, 10 nigerian navy modern coastal radar coverage, 2 nigerian air force ATR-42 surveyor aircrafts sophisticated NATO standard very long range 330km surface and air radar, and nigerian space borne real time hi-tech spy balloon air and ground large area radar, 12 nigerian F-7 jets have too many power and many options methods to find 4 south african helicopters and shoot them down with dozens of 4,000km/hr speed missiles against 309km/hr slow speed helicopters that will finally R.I.P

That does not explian how the J7 radar will find them. With out that the engament range is down to the range of the IR seeker. The rooivalk has a very small ir signute due to the placement of the exhast. By the time a J7 gets in range it is all ready under attack from the valour and the rooivalk.


Not to menstion those air seach radaers will be of littel use vs a low flying aircraft or the valour frigats, you have yet to show how the you have not shown how the shore based radar are built to do much more than look for pirats.

agaugust: you did no maths, you just copied and pasted internet data as usual. i did live combat calculations and even @andrewza dare not challenge my proof that Gripen has major weakness of combar raduis/combat range 800km, worse than older F-7 jet 850km. we all know that truth hurts south africans on nairaland.

now mu student, todays lecture : the more external drop tanks fuel Gripen carries to extend its poor travel range, the less weapons it carries and the less effective. the maximum weapons load is fixed by the SAAB manufacturer, or you own Toyota Corolla car has no load limit and carries 20 passengers ?

what concerns SU-27/30 you posted, just because i educated you will deatils of all SU-27/30 types and versions, you want to now turn back and lecture me from the same handout/notebook i gave you.

you ungratefful student that owes me 6 months school fees, tell your father to pay me my money soweto debtor

With 8 hard points a gripen could carry 4 drop tanks, 2 PGM and 2 AAMs with one in the group carring a targeting pod in liue of a bomb. This is not a normal load out and would push change the combat raidiacy.


Austrila and sweden have both done tested and found the gripen out perfomce the F35. The gripen was built to fight SU27s/SU30s. And why are you even bring them up. Nigeria does not have either. Where has Angola a south african ally does fly the SU27

agaugust: go to south african military academy and lecture them that 4 slow 309km/hr speed helicopters will shoot down 12 super-sonic 2,200km/hr speed interceptor jets firing many dozens of air to air missiles with speed 4,000km/hr.

i guess the word INSANITY was first invented in south africa.

this is the end result you get when you think the way you think.

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You still have not explianed how the J7 radar will find the rooivalk. Where thanks to the valour the rooivalk will know about the J7.

The speed is no issue. You your self menstioned that fighters do not conduct attacks on ground targets at mach 2.

And the rooivalk can carry 2 AAMs.

agaugust: show us how perfect south africa is .... digraced by seleka rebels, 8 Gripen jets, shortage of manpower in all areas, civilain crime rate, mine workers sent to R.I.P, heavy foreign debt, poor intelligence in CAR war....the list will get too long

[img]http://thegrio.files./2012/08/south-african-miners.jpg?w=650[/img]

https://www.timeslive.co.za/Feeds/2013/03/30/1011702_835297.jpg/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/1011702_835297.jpg

How is loosing only 15 to there any where between 500 to 800 dead a disgrace.

The gripen issue has been disccused so many times.


We know we have problems and have never claimed to be perfect, saying we better than you is not saying we perfect. Nigeria is not our benchmark. Thing is I do not see nigerians noticeing there problems. Maybe because so many of you don't actualy relize just how bade the averiage nigerian is off.


You jump up and down about your GDP and forghine reserves when over 100 million nigerian live in poverty. Your deffense "you can do a lot with 1 dollar in nigeria" while with a 30 dollars a month could you in nigeria.
Feed your famly, put your child through school, afford transport to work and school, extra extra extra.


We know we have problems. If you read the SANDF 2012 defense review they are outlinded. Nigeria has never down a defense review and is relying on it's 2001 draft poilcy.

agaugust: south african valour frigate warship (google it) maximum speed is 28 knots per hour or 52km per hour, do maths it is less than 1km per minute very slow and heavy ships cannot turn like a small speed boats that is simple physics forces and moments law of torque if you went to school. nigerian artillery shells fly 50 times faster at 50km per minute, too fast for the ship to dance and evade at sheep speed of 1km per minute. dont change scientific laws of physics because you want to win argument.

i dont know who told you that the whole nigerian navy is built to fight only pirates, is that a navy of coast guard ?

is nigerian navy excocet anti-ship missiles, otomat anti-aircraft missiles built to fight pirates ?

i dont know which herbalist oracle you consulted that told you nigeria has no electronic counter measures in all the new israeli tech purchased for coastal monitoring recently, and the new modern italian ATR-42 Surveyor aircrafts that even came back from italy few months ago with new updated 2012 upgarde from the 2010 earlier delivery date.

i dont know the herbalist oracle that told you a south african helicopter at speed 280km/hr will shoot down nigerian interceptor jet at speed 2,000km/hr and longer intercept range missiles of over 20km range when the jets are 12 against 4 outnumbered helicopters.

i dont know which non-existing war in history were you ever saw slow helicopter built to attack ground forces shoot down supersonic speed jet built to shoot down the fastest jet aircraft.

i dont know the impossible sources you got information that south african warships will keep running around nigerian waters at full maximum speed every minute of 24 hours a day and every day of the week trying to avoid the 50 times faster nigerian artillery shells, and the ships remain in good mechanical condition 5,000km away from home base, while nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft and F-7 jets and all 10 radar stations on coastline and all space spy balloons and all space satellites and all electronic systems and all artilley guns on ground get tired of functioning in their own home land ?


as i said, the first day y_ou go to real war, people will ship y_ou back home in a sealed b_ody b_ag.

before you wrote your above posts, did you use 2 buckets full of beer to take your bath/shower and drink up the remaining ?

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Actualy it is 31knts, my source is a littel more first hand than wikepdia. And since when is that slow for a ship it is fast. I bielfie the pic has been shown where the valours turing circel was clear from it's wake. Don't need to dance not every gun will be able to get a lead on the drigate. Will only need to make subtlill ajustments.

The sytem you got from israle is built for that along with most of your fleet. You think those cattmrains you got will be a threat to even our strike craft.

When where those bought. Both are from 1980s. They are 30 years old and probaly expired.



And show what EW asserts where aquired in those deals. Please do show.

You have not showen how the F7 will raddar lock on the rooivalk meaning it will have to come in close. Speed will have littel to do with this fight. It will be who can shoot who first. The rooivalk has a great off boer site attack ablietty. Down low the jet's speed will not be of that much use.

It was found during a red flag exersize that if the jet is force in to a low alltiued manvoubilty fight the helicopter can get the jet in it's it's gun. That was with the less manvrbill apachy and hind helcopters. Who siad we need to do it all the time. Actualy you the one who wants the valour to come in close. I don't even see a need. It could blokade a port from 40km away out side the range of your guns. You have yet to post a source that nigeria uses any advance rounds what so ever. The high speed will be for attack runs durring cloudy nights when the MPA are not around. And J7 you do know they have no surface search radar or funcstion. They will fly right in to a 76mm round will not even need to waist a sam on them.



All your qustions anserwed yet we have many qustions still waiting for a anserw from you. Will you ever anserw them.

agaugust: south african valour frigate warship (google it) maximum speed is 28 knots per hour or 52km per hour, do maths it is less than 1km per minute very slow and heavy ships cannot turn like a small speed boats that is simple physics forces and moments law of torque if you went to school. nigerian artillery shells fly 50 times faster at 50km per minute, too fast for the ship to dance and evade at sheep speed of 1km per minute. dont change scientific laws of physics because you want to win argument.

i dont know who told you that the whole nigerian navy is built to fight only pirates, is that a navy of coast guard ?

is nigerian navy excocet anti-ship missiles, otomat anti-aircraft missiles built to fight pirates ?

i dont know which herbalist oracle you consulted that told you nigeria has no electronic counter measures in all the new israeli tech purchased for coastal monitoring recently, and the new modern italian ATR-42 Surveyor aircrafts that even came back from italy few months ago with new updated 2012 upgarde from the 2010 earlier delivery date.

i dont know the herbalist oracle that told you a south african helicopter at speed 280km/hr will shoot down nigerian interceptor jet at speed 2,000km/hr and longer intercept range missiles of over 20km range when the jets are 12 against 4 outnumbered helicopters.

i dont know which non-existing war in history were you ever saw slow helicopter built to attack ground forces shoot down supersonic speed jet built to shoot down the fastest jet aircraft.

i dont know the impossible sources you got information that south african warships will keep running around nigerian waters at full maximum speed every minute of 24 hours a day and every day of the week trying to avoid the 50 times faster nigerian artillery shells, and the ships remain in good mechanical condition 5,000km away from home base, while nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft and F-7 jets and all 10 radar stations on coastline and all space spy balloons and all space satellites and all electronic systems and all artilley guns on ground get tired of functioning in their own home land ?


as i said, the first day y_ou go to real war, people will ship y_ou back home in a sealed b_ody b_ag.

before you wrote your above posts, did you use 2 buckets full of beer to take your bath/shower and drink up the remaining ?

.

Actualy it is 31knts, my source is a littel more first hand than wikepdia. And since when is that slow for a ship it is fast. I bielfie the pic has been shown where the valours turing circel was clear from it's wake. Don't need to dance not every gun will be able to get a lead on the drigate. Will only need to make subtlill ajustments.

The sytem you got from israle is built for that along with most of your fleet. You think those cattmrains you got will be a threat to even our strike craft.

When where those bought. Both are from 1980s. They are 30 years old and probaly expired.



And show what EW asserts where aquired in those deals. Please do show.

You have not showen how the F7 will raddar lock on the rooivalk meaning it will have to come in close. Speed will have littel to do with this fight. It will be who can shoot who first. The rooivalk has a great off boer site attack ablietty. Down low the jet's speed will not be of that much use.

It was found during a red flag exersize that if the jet is force in to a low alltiued manvoubilty fight the helicopter can get the jet in it's it's gun. That was with the less manvrbill apachy and hind helcopters. Who siad we need to do it all the time. Actualy you the one who wants the valour to come in close. I don't even see a need. It could blokade a port from 40km away out side the range of your guns. You have yet to post a source that nigeria uses any advance rounds what so ever. The high speed will be for attack runs durring cloudy nights when the MPA are not around. And J7 you do know they have no surface search radar or funcstion. They will fly right in to a 76mm round will not even need to waist a sam on them.



All your qustions anserwed yet we have many qustions still waiting for a anserw from you. Will you ever anserw them.