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SmooshCHN:
Just say you don't want the vaccine and live with the consequences. No one is victimizing you. Not even when more then 80% have done it without a single complication. Every work place have their rules. If you can't live with it, just leave. It's that simple.

Ohk. You schooled in china. I should have known. Nothing further. lol

SmooshCHN:
This is why people need to go to school. This is the kind of things anti-vaxxers do when they say they are conducting their research. This should only be taken seriously in a comedy class. Nicki Minaj's research would have been a better excuse. Just say you don't want the vaccine and line with the consequences.

I read here that you are a medical doctor. I want you to confirm it so I can know if you are worth the time.

SmooshCHN:
Make I answer you make you call us dumb again on top Kyrie. I ignored because I don't have strength abeg.

Brother, ignore as much as you want. I am not losing sleep. I just want to correct something - I said the NBA is dumb (I am referring to the leadership etc.) and not you. Let us just make that clear.

steady986:
Here is the issue; being unvaccinated opens up the opportunity for the virus to mutate in your body. And the vaccines currently in use was not made to fight new variants. Kyrie can pass this new variant to his teammates and staff, thereby compromising the whole team.

Brother, the highlighted portion is pseudo-science. Viruses do not try to kill their hosts. They mutate to survive. That is how the science has always worked until politicians decided to dictate health policies. That is why antibiotics led to variants of bacteria. It is the same with viruses. We did not hear about new strains until the jabs were rolled out and that is an irrefutable fact.

That is basically the essence of vaccination and why health officials have been clamouring for all to get the vax. Apart from the fact that it protects you from hospitalization and death, it is so as to limit the formation of new variants. At least with the current variants that the vaccine can protect, symptoms would largely be mild and we can live with the virus, even if we don't eradicate it completely. But with unvaccinated people roaming around, it basically compromises all we're trying to achieve.

I have already answered this and the data from Israel completely backs me up. Even the yearly influenza jab proves that this claims made by so-called experts is voodoo science. Completely and utterly unscientific. I feel I have spoken more than I even wanted to.

steady986:
This is the thing; Kyrie can't just say he's refusing to take the vaccine because of religious reasons, just like others can't just say they won't take the vaccine because of medical reasons. You have to bring a doctor's report if you're exempting for medical reasons, and you have to present a cogent reason if you're exempting for religions reasons. The reason why Kyrie's appeal hasn't been granted is because he has no cogent reason. Islam doesn't expressly prohibit vaccination, they only prohibit vaccines that contain pig gelatin/fat. But the main vaccines used in America (Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca) do not contain pig gelatin.

They can't just grant anyone who shows up and says "I can't take this vaccine due to religious reasons". You have to present substantial proof that it infringes on your faith. Or else every Tom, Dick and Harry would leverage on that loophole just to make sure they skip the vac. That's exactly what NYC and the League are trying to avoid.

I'm sure as we speak, Kyrie is vigorously searching through his Qur'an and surfing the internet to come up with a valid reason. Until he finds one, I'm afraid he has no case. He either has to take the vaccine or miss games and face the consequences.

I am not a muslim, so I don't know the tenets of his faith but I can tell you for free that I know muslims who have neither taken this jab nor ever will and they cite relevant portions of their koran. Andrew Wiggins is Christian, his religious exemption request was denied and I am pretty sure he cited the use of aborted fetal tissue in the vaccine program - which his faith does not subscribe to - as his reason. Was his request honored? If not, how and why in the world is his argument not cogent? Bear in mind, some workers have gotten religious exemptions approved for this very reason. Why do you think players like Draymond (who has been jabbed) spoke in his defence? Because even some intelligent players in the NBA know something is inherently wrong with what is going on.

birdman:
If the vaccine didn't provide immunity, it would be useless. All the field tests by moderna, pfizer etc must have been made up. No one would need to get it. Right?

The vaccine DOES NOT provide immunity. I don't know what field tests you are referring to but the same companies have only majorly promoted their jab's effectiveness in limiting hospitalizations and deaths. Infact to claim their jab provides immunity is to do something that even they are not bold to do at this point in time.

What you have missed is that viral load does not correlate with immunity - you can have similar viral load to a vaccinated person, but the vaccinated person is much more likely to recover quicker and survive, and therefore much less likely to infect. This small distinction has killed hundreds already, who live on tidbits of information without looking at the whole picture.

Nobody correlated viral load with immunity. I correlated it with transmissibility and made sure to tack the buzzword "Fauci" at the end of it so you will treat it the way other COVID19 cultists do - that is with reverence. By the way, you cannot provide a thoroughly peer-reviewed journal or data that will back-up this recover quicker and survive claptrap you tried to bandy.

The experts read the same papers you read. I will take general consensus of experts over your own conclusion.

I don't give a flying silverware about who you subscribe to as that does not have any bearing except when someone with a largely wishy washy argument hopes to appeal to authority as an escape route.

Another example: Masks. Yes, its true that most masks cannot protect you for more than 30 minutes in a room which the virus is airborne. Some people mistakenly assume this means masks are not effective. What they forget, is that if everyone is wearing a mask, the virus is much less likely to be airborne. Again, limited information resulting in bad conclusion with deadly consequences.

I could have shredded this head on but it is a digression from the point I had made earlier which you have still failed to successfully challenge.

And this is the problem with Kyrie, and a lot of anti-vaxxers. There is a lot of information and papers out there, and they think they can read it in the span of minutes and argue with immunologists who have 4 decades of experience and training. You want us to take your conclusion on bits of research info and jump to your conclusion. Are you better trained than Fauci and co? what are you credentials?

of course I can be vaccinated against every single disease out there (in fact, I may have even taken this particular jab) but as long as I am not bleating like the rest of the sheeple, I am an anti-vaxxer. lol. If my ability to read and comprehend or my credentials do not match up to Fauci's, how do his compare to Robert W Malone's? Gert Vanden Bossche's? Kary Mullis'? or Luc Montagnier's when it comes to their work with regards to the present goings-on? Did I need a Yale degree to know for e.g that coronaviruses can be transmitted through human to human contact when Saint Fauci did not? How many masks will be scientific enough? zero, one, two? What paper did Pope Fauci study for 40 years to bungle his position on masks?

I am being harsh on purpose, because people like to argue about in circles for days on an issue they have no expertise on. There is no need. If you dont want to take the vaccine, cool. Dont endanger everybody else. That is what the experts have said. Again, I will take them over lone wolf doctors with politicized opinions.

If the "experts" you are so sheepishly referring to agree with you on this, then why are we having this conversation about Kyrie? How could Kyrie be endagering people when those people are "immunized" by the jab? Can you read yourself again and check if what you are promoting actually works or do I have to spell out how a political health policy will be one that mandates a procedure that is neither fully approved (and don't get me started on this) nor can it do anything related to what it was originally touted to do? lol.

birdman:
Bro, lets not go too far. There is no comparison between Kaepernick kneeling against police brutality versus Kyrie not taking the vaccine. Instead, lets take the Kyrie issue by itself.

1. Nobody is forcing Kyrie to take the vaccine. If he wants a religious exemption, he can, and will get it

Brother, this is not true. If it were, Wiggins' request would have been honoured. That is the issue - such requests are being denied.

2. The issue here, is that covid, when caught, is contagious. And not taking the vaccine makes you more likely to catch covid. So while Kyrie has a right to NOT take the vaccine, the team also has a right to protect other players from a player that has a higher risk

So again, Kyrie can qualify for any exemption he wants. Free country. But you cannot make others suffer the choice you made. Now if this were tetanus or some other disease, maybe they let him play. But a disease that took out half a million people in less than a year, even with intensive hospital care? No. NBA cant risk it.

Your 2nd point would have been spot on if the so-called vaccine provided immunity. It does not. You are not more likely to get COVID19 without the jab - Fauci said both jabbed and unjabbed people carried equal viral loads. If you doubt me, what is the rationale behind "protecting other players" if the other players are jabbed? Should they not be protected by the jab? I know someone who thinks they are informed might say the jab only protects against hospitalizations and deaths. Granted, does it not mean only Kyrie is at risk of hospitalization and death? The reality is nobody has been able to make a convincing argument in support of NYC or the NBA - and I guarantee you that this is part of why Kyrie is unwilling to yield. Look at Jaylen Brown who has been jabbed, he recently tested positive and is going to miss games. Why is he not being accused of risking people's lives since he too could have spread the virus? Let me guess, he is not risking people's lives because he complied but if Kyrie was the one who tested positive today, he would have been accused of risking people's lives. Something is diabolically wrong with the logic behind this.

steady986:
He can choose to not take the vaccine. That's cool. But he should also live with the consequences. He's not more special than other Muslims that have taken the vaccine. Now what that consequence would be is up to his employers, the Nets and the NBA. Right now they've decided to withhold a portion of his salary when he doesn't play. If it gets as bad as trading or waiving him, I think there wouldn't/shouldn't be any complaints there.

What is happening to the world we live in? Should the behaviour of another muslim be used as a yardstick for all others or should it not be about the tenets of their faith? I asked a question which the 2 other people who tried to respond to ignored because it pokes a big hole in their flawed and uninformed perspective. When NYC announced their mandate, did they not say certain individuals will be exempted from it for medical and religious reasons? If that is the case, then why should Kyrie not qualify for a religious exemption? If people cannot see that something is fundamentally wrong with issuing a mandate, pretending to allow for exemptions to that mandate but then denying all such requests for exemptions, I shudder at what we as humans have become. Then why do they take the knee in solidarity with Colin and why does the NBA allow them to do it? They are all as vicious and insensitive as the people who blackballed Colin for his own beliefs.

Hohenheim:
The NBA isn't the reason New York has a vaccine mandate for home players oga.
And btw the NFL also wanted a vaccine mandate for their players so stfu with that woke shit.

You mean NYC did not give a "religious exemption" caveat which the NBA rejected (for e.g for Wiggins) or you want to show people that you are still senile? Have you taken your meds today?

SmooshCHN:
Outside any contraindications to taking a vaccine, every other reason makes no sense. No NBA player has had any complication from vaccination however he wants to make his own research. Same dude who thinks the Earth is flat. He should sit out the season till the NBA changes the rule or he changes his stance (he's getting paid BTW). So everybody wins, except you draft Kyrie in your fantasy.

Just about any reason a player gives as to why he will reject an experimental procedure is sufficient. In the same way the NBA cannot coerce him into eating food during Ramadan, that is the very same reason they cannot coerce a Muslim into taking anything he believes challenges his faith. One would think the "woke" NBA would understand this and let him be instead of all these coverage and outrage over absolutely nothing. Will Jonathan Isaac and co not be allowed to play in NYC when they have games against Nets and Knicks? So is it not beyond stupid that a home player like Kyrie will be disqualified from playing same game- just because he plies his trade in NYC. If people don't see how ridiculous this is, then they are even bigger dummies in the NBA than I feared. Let them continue with their wokeness and then wonder why they keep losing viewers year in year out.

I stand with Kyrie. They should grant him his religious exemption and let him hoop. The coercion is unbecoming and I hope the NBA loses more viewers this year.

popizaino:
I saw that too but that was just normal for any midfielder. At Chelsea he would have passed back or sideway .

If you watch a game trying to see a player make mistakes, you will see it. You guys watch Jorginho just to blame him. It is a witch-hunt.

popizaino:
They are judged based on their numbers....goals

Mourinho said he did it to all the strikers he worked with, Drogba included.

popizaino:
You want to start splitting hair before you agree on what I stated there abeg don't go there pls. You can improve as a player doesn't mean your numbers will increase if you are not getting a decent chance.

How are strikers judged?

popizaino:
Salah is surely the greatest African footballer ever in EPL but I would rather have Drogba in my team than have salah and the reason why drogba's number was low is just because of mourinho.

But Mourinho said he made every striker that played under him improve dramatically.

Ibime:
I asked you a simple question. Where was Bernadeschi one second before Jogginghoe found himself behind him forming escort?

The pic below should give you a clue.

You wouldn't know anything about off-the-ball tracking. Mumu like you only comes alive when you see a player with the ball

Should Jorginho have been following Bernadeschi or the ball?

TrebleChamp:
Guy respect yourself...

You know Ronaldo is part owner of Livescore.com right?

donstan18:
They are aggressive.

Players like Pulisic and Mount can give them trouble.

Players wey no dey see anybody papa

This game feels like Chelsea vs FC Porto first leg last season.

weedtaker:
Nope that one is rumored to be coogar. While you are Eruditor.

lol are you sure you are a united fan?

donstan18:
Are these players scared to penetrate?

I miss Mount

It is not really about Mount. It is about how Juventus are set up.

Paco Alcacer.

weedtaker:
Isn't that Android17 guy Eruditor? He writes and argues like him, and also follows the same sports (NBA and football of course) and stans the same teams, players and managers i.e Pep and Messi.

Are you a United fan? I thought some of your guys said Ill.imitable was Eruditor?

Chelsea are playing a high press which is helping them win the ball up field but you will need slicker passing to take advantage of the ball possession.

Betensure:
City just need a good striker

City need to be clinical.

ChristoBam:
KDB could have gotten a red. But he doesn't deserve it 100%. They both went in 50-50. It happens.

What makes Bissaka own a bit different is that he went studs in like that after losing the ball from a poor control. That's always a red.

People posting still pictures are misleading. KDB was in possession of the ball, Gueye made a tackle at him, KDB tried to poke the ball away from Gueye. KDB succeeded in poking the ball away from Gueye but admittedly caught Gueye after. VAR checked it. Yellow card was deserved. Unlike AWB who tried to tackle the player and caught him instead.

melodyogonna:
Wetin be Gabriel Jesus position again?

He has been a winger all season long.

jaxxy:
Pep sold this game.

He did not but the reason Sterling started was never exploited. He was started for his pace yet the ball was rarely played in-behind to let him run. Otherwise he was bad.

City did not finish their numerous chances. Otherwise they played well.

Amoto94, did you see Rodri today?

Ibime:
I stated this the other day. Alli and Ndombele vacated midfield and were trying to play striker

Because that is how the coach wanted them to play?

Amoto94:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s9nDkR00GE

I loved the analysis. But is this supposed to prove that Rodri had no role in the game? He was far and away better than any Chelsea midfielder on the day.

OVA200:
Since it's still possible then i think I'm right.

I am not sure you understand what is being said. You cannot have an off target shot AFTER a deflection. If the shot was already off target before the deflection, it is off target.

OVA200:
Not in all case so this is wrong.

When does that statement fail?