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BlueAngel444:I already said I doubt that release clause figure we have been hearing about. |
ChristineC:Not for Kylian Mbappe or Erling Haaland. Kylian was offered 450k/week after tax in PSG and he is refusing. I am not referring to total fee paid to club for Haaland. I am referring to total fee that it will cost United (for e.g to get him). We will be here next season. |
BlueAngel444:Yes, Mino and his father agreed, you are right. But they agreed for less than the purported fee because they are not in control for now - Dortmund are. They knew the hard part will be meeting Dortmund's demands. But when the new year is upon us, the control goes back to Haaland, so his agent and Dad can charge you more. Real Madrid might be his favorite, but they want Mbappe now. They even want to pay 120M euros even though Kylian has 1 year left and can come to them free. They are resolved to get him this season for 120M euros or wait and get him free next season. They even said they will pay him whatever wages PSG are offering -which is why he has been rejecting PSG. Real Madrid seem to prefer paying for Kylian than Haaland. Because of Mino Raiola. |
Oasis007:Release clause is what you pay his club. That is not in relation to how much he will cost you to get him. Even if you can pay Dortmund the release clause, other clubs can too. Then you have to be willing to get Mino and his father on board which will now give you access to him. That is what will make him very expensive. Look at it this way, if United offered to pay Grealish's release clause as well, you will have to outbid MCFC for the wages, signon bonus and whatever his agent tells you or else, they will listen to the other club willing to negotiate those terms. That is what those other clubs were avoiding. |
BlueAngel444:lol. The release clause fee goes to the club. Mino's fee is most likely fixed and since Haaland is signed to him, it means Haaland will need to pay him that amount to fire him. The figures that may be flexible will be his dad's fee but the sign on bonus to the player - for not making the buying club pay a huge fee to the club as well as to outbid other teams is what will make him perhaps the most expensive player in history. If you think salary is what will move Mino/Haaland/Erling, you are living in La La Land. Every club that I mentioned can pay him the salary. By the way, Bayern cannot dictate for the market (they paid 72M GBP for a LB/CB in 2019), they either play ball or step aside. You are dealing with a generational talent not Mario Gotze or even Robert Lewandowski. Do you think the only money PSG offered Messi is his 1M/week salary (before taxes)? |
AnfieldFan:Liverpool cannot afford such a figure on one player. They will have to sell Salah to offset his wage to do that. Mbappe would have considered Liverpool but they cannot afford him. |
...And the reason I put -- M for the sign on bonus is because that is where the bidding war will be between the bidding teams. Chelsea wanted to offer 150M GBP for the player - even up to 160M and Dortmund did not budge. Haaland did not cause a ruckus. Rumour mills said Dortmund would have listened at 175M GBP. When you see clubs rather opt to pay 127M GBP (maybe up to 150M GBP for a 28 year old), there must be a reason that others are overlooking. cc Oasis007 |
Oasis007:There is a reason Dortmund have been silent on that release clause. It is most likely not as low as people think. Be that as it may, there is a reason clubs like Chelsea tried to sign him this season against January when the release clause can be activated for cheaper. The only people to lose out on a huge windfall from Haaland sale will be Dortmund. Here is a speculative breakdown of what the deal will actually be like: Mino Raiola's fees - 50M (to have access to the player), 20M (Haaland's father fees - to convince his son to take your offer), --- M (sign on bonus for Haaland - for signing with your club). That deal will end up being closer to 190M Euros than anything else. Just that only 80M of it will go to Dortmund. MCFC will most likely never go for him because of the hatred between Mino and Pep (by extension MCFC). Real Madrid are going for Mbappe. Chelsea have acquired Lukaku, so the only teams that can meaningfully sign the player are United and Bayern Munich and perhaps Barcelona (if they get their finances in order by some miracle). It won't be as cheap and simplistic as it sounds. Like I said before, there is a reason Real Madrid, MCFC and CFC looked elsewhere. |
ESR is a player. |
Roland17:This though. |
macjireh:I am not sure you understood me. At some point, after Tuchel came, he overtook Liverpool and was potentially going to eclipse ManU. But somehow Chelsea still capitulated and needed COYS to win the last game against Leicester for Chelsea to qualify as 4th. I do believe Chelsea stand the best chance this season as things stand but nothing is guaranteed. |
macjireh:Liverpool finished ahead of Chelsea last season. I don't think your reasoning on this issue is fool-proof. |
Amoto94:I actually feel that if MCFC do not sign Kane, they will drop off this season and finish 3rd. CFC will win the league and United will be second. This is not coming from this game (THFC away from home has been a bogie team for MCFC and their main starters did not have any preseason). Guardiola already said he expected them to start badly but only hopes the gap they will have to make up will not be much. |
He already said this story is cap. I wonder why people are parading it. You do not award figures just because the baby daddy earns XYZ amount of money or else Chris Brown would have been paying the same. There has to be an established history between the couple, and proof that the child will be improperly taken care of by the other partner should they not earn that much and we all know it is not true. |
Illimitable:I admire your ability to delude yourself. From Sancho was not promoted to why did Phil Foden travel on tour without a new contract? Why not ask me if Foden's name was mentioned as one of those promoted? Why not ask me if Foden played and trained with the first team after the tour? Because it proves what you had been arguing against. But go ahead, delude yourself some more. ![]() |
Illimitable:Let me tell you what stupid is. You started by arguing that Sancho was not promoted. I proved that he was. You could not refute it then your next ploy is to ask me why one of those reasons did not apply to other players - and you are talking about someone else missing the point. Stop asking me about Phil Foden or any other irrelevant question. You have conceded that Sancho was promoted which was the bone of contention. Find other means to salvage your reputation. This one has flopped hard. ![]() |
Illimitable:Very poor strawman. Sancho was offered a contract and told he will feature in the first team. Sancho said put it in writing then I will believe you. MCFC refused and Sancho refused to sign the contract. Is that hard? Don't forget this proves Sancho was indeed promoted which is what brought us into this. Reply with insults, that is all you are really good for. |
Illimitable:When the veracity of a claim cannot be ridiculed, a weak debater tries to ridicule the source. |
Illimitable:So you can't answer my question? Good. See the highlighted portion, I did not make the claim, an article did so. Remember?
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Illimitable:What agreement was thought to be imminent? Stop with the useless whataboutisms. All players are not the same and all camps are not the same so asking me about Foden and Diaz just shows you have lost big time on this and are trying to change the narrative to something else. |
Illimitable:L L. Provide where in the screenshot this was implied. I am waiting. |
Illimitable:MCFC thought an agreement to Sancho committing to his offered contract [not his being a MCFC player]. The article clearly shows that they are referring to his offered contract. Please, try another lie. ![]() |
Illimitable:Your own screenshots. Do you see the phrase "any longer"? It shows you that he had considered the contract but did not want to - any longer. Remember your own screenshot shows you that an agreement [concerning the 30,000 GBP contract] that was thought to be imminent fell through because Sancho backed away. Yet an intellectual superior skipped all that to say . . . nonsense. ![]()
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Illimitable:L L. I am literally using your own article. This is funny. Your article says he backed away from the contract he was offered and you say he backed away from being a MCFC player. I expect you to insult your own article now.
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Illimitable:L L. The reason your analogy works is because you had initially COMMITTED to eating rice and stew. Which means you wanted it before. Sancho had not made up his mind to leave, therefore QED. Your own argument defeats you. I don't have time for your weak attempts at deflecting from the crux of the issue.
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Illimitable:In March 2017 "his mind was made up" but in July 30 2017 "he backed away". L L. You only "pull back" and "stop negotiations" if you were moving forward or negotiating. Question, why did he "back away"? Because a problem could not be resolved. What problem? Another article spelled it out. You have now gone on to attack that article - and you call others lunatics. L L.All your stupid questions will not obfuscate clear facts. You said prove he was promoted I gave 3 reasons. 1. Announcement by CEO and Pep 2.) His contract 3.) The pre-season tour. You ignored all and said as long as he did not play during the season he was not promoted. I asked you how he would have played when he left before the season begun? You hopped back to contract - then I showed you how he, in numerous articles, said the issue was about regular playing time. One article said he wanted it included into his contract - proving to you that he did not want a gentleman's agreement - he did not want the long game that Harry Kane is currently facing. PS: There are no 30 articles concerning Jadon leaving City on the athletic. L L. It is easy to prove as well but I digress. |
Illimitable:I used your own screenshot, analyzed each sentence and showed you how the athletic article paralleled with all the other stories - it is only the one made up in your self-absorbed, deluded and conspiratorial mind that differs. I asked you why Sancho would want the number of appearances he would have in the first team, written into that contract if that contract was not sold to him as a promotional one. Until you answer the question, you have nothing to stand on. Win an argument with you? You, who have conceded that Sancho was promoted? ![]() |
Amoto94: patrickmuf: |
Illimitable:I have patience for slow people. Jadon -2015 scholarship to expire 2018, so offer him the best contract possible and announce promotion 2017 before Bosman rule can kick in. Phil Foden - 2016 scholarship to expire 2019 so offer him a contract 2018 before Bosman rule (announce promotion to first team July 2017). Do you notice how Foden does not ask for playing time in his contract in 2018 like Jadon did? That is how 2 different human beings behave - one player was willing to play the long game, the other was not. Now that your deflections have flopped bad again, please answer: Sancho "already made up his mind" to leave in March 2017 yet he waited till after MCFC refused to include playing time in that contract late July 2017 to reject it - why? See reference below.
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Illimitable:If only you will research properly rather than reply capriciously all the time. Sancho was signed to the academy scholarship in 2015, Phil was signed 2016. See the underlined and keep deceiving yourself. The only reason he wanted assurances "written" into the contract is because they had verbally told him what the contract signified. If your conspiracy nonsense was anything to go by, don't you think Sancho would have rejected that contract since March - you said he was offered? L L
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Illimitable:When a company offers a member of staff "here is the contract for the MD position, sign it and become the MD". Whether the person accepts it or not is immaterial. It proves that the company did promote said member of staff. You tried to argue that Sancho was never promoted and now you have just conceded that he in fact was. It took you how many posts to come to the understanding I got in a little less than a millisecond? Mr. Intelligent. ![]() |
Illimitable:Like I have maintained. Invectives to mask the lack of substance. Here is a little lesson for you. 1.) Backed away - you cannot back away from something you never considered. If he never considered it he would have rejected it. 2.) what seemed to be a "negotiating" tactic - negotiation shows contemplation, deliberation etc. It means Sancho's mind was not made up. 3.) "Insurmountable" problem - a problem incapable of being overcome. Sancho had one issue that MCFC could not sort out for him. 4.) Long game - I asked you if you knew what the idiom meant but you replied with insults. Sancho did not want to play the odd game here and there (like Phil Foden had to do) he wanted to be more of a regular and MCFC were not going to guarantee that. Which is what I have been saying - you simply re-quoted me and insulted yourself for re-quoting me. PS: Here is the kicker, Mr. Intelligent said Sancho did not take "the offer". What offer? The offer of a contract showing he had been promoted to the first team. Can Mr. Intelligent read that sentence again? You have just accepted that Sancho was promoted - he just did not take it. Yet you have many posts filled with descriptions of yourself, disagreeing with me that Sancho was promoted. L L |
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