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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 5:34pm On Nov 05, 2021
Singapore1:
Lol 1 champions league Cup is preferred than a million champions league appearance!

Ajax is more successful than man city
I agree. However, which team has had MORE (quantity) success in the last 5 years is another argument and in fact is the current one that is being had.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17:
benji93:
78 points. I don't remember the last time I saw that. I am loving the new rules. cheesy
I wanted to give up on the NBA but the new rules have revived my desire to peep at some games. What Trae and Harden were doing before was not basketball. I even heard the players are complaining that the Wilson ball is responsible for the dip in 3PTFG% as they claim to have shot it better with a Spalding. I beg to differ. Players can guard more at the perimeter without the risk of getting those stupid fouls and as such, the 3PT shots will be less likely to go in. They should wake up and smell the coffee.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 4:33pm On Nov 05, 2021
patrickmuf:
Juventus have reached more UCL finals than Manchester United but Manchester United have won more, will it make sense to say Juventus have been more successful?

Or better put in the past 5 years, will Spurs fans rather finish above Arsenal every season instead of Spurs winning the FA Cup twice?

In the past 5 years Liverpool have won the UCL once and reached the final once...Has Bayern appeared in 2 finals in the same time frame?
You are asking good emotional questions but a good emotional question is still an emotional one. More success over time does not mean whose peak is highest (quality) in that time. It means who has had more "higher" peaks over time (quantity). Let us say United won the CL in 2017 but crashed out at the group stages in 2018-2021 and Juventus on the otherhand were runners up in 2017-2021 according to UEFA, Juventus have had MORE success (4 better years than United) in the last 5 years compared to United even though United's best year was better than Juventus' best.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 3:12pm On Nov 05, 2021
timbros:
Every Man City fan (and players even) will give up that 2nd place spot in UEFA ranking just to lift Champions League trophy within the blink of an eye.

Man City (2nd) without UCL trophy will prefer to be Liverpool (3rd) or Chelsea (4th) with UCL trophy anytime any day.

I don't know why people will say black is white and white is black just to win an argument.
Of course, if you are asking a MCFC fan if he would rather have 35 coefficient points and nothing or the trophy and Chelsea's 33 points he will take the latter. That is a one season sample quadrat which is different than a 5-year one. But the question was who has been more successful in the last 5 years. That is a different proposition altogether. I don't know why emotional people always get triggered when logical people refuse to bend to emotional arguments.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17:
NinjaXmetahuman:
[s]see how you are dancing from pillar to post cos you can't defend your own shit.

That's what happens when you jump into people's argument trying to form intelligent.

You sometimes learn more from reading other people's arguement than trying to force your half baked opinion on argument you don't know the origin or what it is about.
This is not the first time you will be jumping on my arguement trying to form Macho without adding anything significant from your tiny brain.[/s]

At bolded,
Where did UEFA tell you that? Coefficient is sorely based on games you have won. That's why the likes of Bayern and England are always topping the list. The only impact winning the trophy has is that, you will get the chance to win more games all the way to final which adds to the coefficient not the trophy itself.
And that's the question you failed to answer cos you couldn't.

[s]And it has nothing to do with the initial question I asked.

This my last post to you sha.
Have a nice life[/s].
Shalaye crooner. Pride always comes before a fall. See how you have made a fool of yourself. I have attached the UEFA coefficient calculation method so you can learn and not be arguing like you still count with an abacus. Chelsea in 2020-21 won 4 group games and drew 2. That is 4(2)+2=10 (yes you get 1 point for a draw). 4 bonus points for winning the group which is 14. Got 4 points for beating ATM home and away and 5 bonus points for qualifying past that round. That's 9. Lost and beat Porto so that is 0+ 2 and 1 bonus point for qualifying past it which is 3. Drew and beat RM which is 1+2+1 bonus point for qualifying for the final. Won and beat MCFC so got 3 (1 for participation and 2 for winning -I told you winning the trophy obviously gives extra coefficient points). That is 14+9+3+4+3= 33. MCFC on the other hand had 15+9+5+5+1=35. As you can see, UEFA do not solely give points for winning, they also give for draws, then bonus points for winning a group, getting to each stage and ultimately winning the final. Evidence is below. Be very careful who you argue with, I was trying to take it easy on you but I had to deflate your swollen ego. Go and lick your sores. grin (dummy said sorely based, e for be sowore based lol)

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:54pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
did they consider winning a UCL trophy as part of the coefficient even. if you didn't win much games, you will be rated high?

If not, why would it be the answer to my question?
In a typical season there are (6) group games, (2) 2nd round games, (2) QFs, (2) SFs and (1) Final which is 13 games. Chelsea lost one game to Porto, drew one game with RM for instance, so coefficient points were lost there. Yes, they consider winning the competition in assigning coefficient points. MCFC got extra points because they beat Dortmund and PSG home and away.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:50pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
[s][/s]
Again.

Was trophy part of the coefficient?
If not, why would it be the answer to my question?
Android17:
Winning it is part of how you get extra coefficient points obviously.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:47pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
lol

Again.

Was trophy part of the coefficient?
If not, why would it be the answer to my question?
Winning it is part of how you get extra coefficient points obviously.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:46pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
lol
except that the data is no where near the question.

The data you posted was about points won NOT points and UCL trophies won. So why would it be your answer?

Trying to wriggle your way out of the sea you didn't think well before jumping into yeah?
Then you need to learn more from your boss.
What you stupidly forgot is, CFC did not play in the UCL in 2018/19 because Conte finished 5th the previous season. So the coefficient points assigned that year 2018-19 is from winning the Europa league. Yet you got more points than MCFC that lost at the QFs. If we assigned zero coefficients for that year 2018-19, Chelsea would have fared even worse.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:40pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
lol
except that the data is no where near the question.

The data you posted was about points won NOT points and UCL trophies won. So why would it be your answer?

Trying to wriggle your way out of the sea you didn't think well before jumping into yeah?
Then you need to learn more from your boss.
I don't know how many people have told you but you are not as smart as you think. Here is your post
NinjaXmetahuman:
Now Lemme ask, Which team would you say has been better in the last 5 years In UCL?

Mancity with more points
Or Chelsea with UCL trophy?
You gave the 5 year timeline. You asked who has been better. That is easy, UEFA already calculated it. Not from counting how many points one team achieved over 5 years, no. How many wins in those 5 years, what was the point of exit (if applicable), how many goals scored, goals conceded and of course there is a coefficient point for winning it. Those coefficient points cumulatively put Bayern first, MCFC next (117), Liverpool 3rd and Chelsea 4th (108). Look for another wishy washy argument to make. UEFA already answered this one for us.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:11pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
the question was directed to you not UEFA.
And I deferred to their own data.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 11:09pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
lol
I had plenty to say but I just don't think it should be with you.
May be someone intelligent like raumdeuter.

You see the question ehn, it's like asking you to choose between money or fame? Beautiful football or trophies?

A smarter person like raumdeuter would probably ignored it or try to twist and turn, but you, you just jumped right in without thinking. grin
Nah, UEFA rated them 2nd in the past 5 years and Chelsea 4th. The answer is not complicated - it is simple. Don't worry about "smarter" and "intelligent" UEFA is smart enough for me grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:48pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
okay then.. I guess I have nothing to say to you again..
Yea, you had nothing to say before as I was just relaying UEFA's fact not my opinion.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 10:46pm On Nov 04, 2021
Leyqute:
FC Eruobodo don Dey beat Mourinho again sir Joezinho

I just say make I update you.
He did not use his team A++
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:34pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
Now Lemme ask, Which team would you say has been better in the last 5 years In UCL?

Mancity with more points
Or Chelsea with UCL trophy?
Manchester City. I hope I spelled it well.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 9:32pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
or may be you should understand the argument before jumping in.
The guy didn't bring his metric for rating Bayern over other EPL teams.

Now addressing your own argument.
Bayern cannot be rated above EPL team because whatever they achieved was done in a shitty league.

The UCL that brought all of them together, they won it just once in the last 5 years. No other Bundesliga came even close to the final. The UCL is not even a proper one. It got k leg.

Mean while, same can't be said about EPL and it shows based on how teams from epl have dominated UCL in the last 5 years.
You are blowing a lot of hot air ninja. They told you their criteria, I just tried to broaden it for you. They consider goals, points, wins in UEFA competitions and in the last 5 seasons Bayern has been the best. If you add the points allocated from 2017/18 till date you will see how they arrived at the number. You can copy the other united fan who was shaking his head because his argument was shown to be shallow.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 6:51pm On Nov 04, 2021
NinjaXmetahuman:
And how is Bayern bigger than premier league teams as he posited?

EPL teams won UCL twice in the last five 5years with Liverpool whooping Bayerns butt on their way to winning their 5th UCL title.
And Bayern just once.
You are trying to use the achievements of 2 EPL teams to compare with Bayern FC? Does that not prove the point already? When you compare a timespan of 5 seasons for e.g you check league finishes, cup finishes, UCL finishes, goals, defensive records of each teams in that span and Bayern has done better than all the teams with MCFC being next. That is how.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 6:43pm On Nov 04, 2021
patrickmuf:
You made a callous statement which is not factual like a lot of other stuffs online...

For the records, I am not a Chelsea fan, I only tackled you because you claimed that Bayern are currently better than all the EPL teams. It's not my business where you read it but if you must try to use it in an argument, please do well to make yourself better understood because you have been referring to the people that wrote whatever as if you only read the headline and not the write up if not, do well to point out how Bayern are currently better than all the EPL teams...
Bayern FC is currently better than all the EPL teams. There is nothing callous about that. It is a fact.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 6:24pm On Nov 02, 2021
macjireh:
we have already collected 3 points from dem,,, and hoping to get another 3points....city have already lost 3 points to dem and not sure of getting 3 points on d return leg,,Liverpool have not played dem,,daz their problem and manure may not find it easy in d return,, so its our advantage
This makes absolutely no sense.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 6:24am On Nov 02, 2021
Roland17:
@Android17, remember our gist? I called it..
You were right. I wanted a draw so bad as I needed both managers on both teams. Conte just spoils everything now as he is a good coach.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 6:23am On Nov 02, 2021
Roland17:
Ime Udoka doesn't need a soothsayer to tell him the problems are. I also hope he has the courage to call them out during practice

To say I am frustrated is an understatement.
Marcus Smart has done it for him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 4:51pm On Oct 31, 2021
AnfieldFan:
Did Zidane do something unprecedented with Castilla?
Is Castilla not Madrid too?
Where is it written that a big club like Real Madrid should hire their 3rd team division coach? If they did, does it not prove they liked something he was doing with that team? How does your argument work for Klopp and Mainz but not Zidane and Real Madrid Castilla?
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 4:48pm On Oct 31, 2021
etidy:
The best shooter in NBA history who is often defended aggressively right from mid-court and usually double or triple teamed several times in a game but he averages 4.2 Free throws per game. A travesty.
you have strength to be educating him. Curry was fishing for extra free throws last season no cap but that was because he was suffering without it when fake players like Trae and Harden were living off it. I recently saw that Harden had a good game for the Nets but then I peeped and saw he got 20 free throws. What a fraud.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 2:11am On Oct 30, 2021
joshboo:
grin grin grin grin. The guys that would be most affected by the rules change are Harden, doncic and Trae. I've always been a big Harden fan right from his OKC days but mehn the guys too unprofessional and the biggest choke job ever.
Luka will thrive. He did well in Europe and he did well in the Olympics. He just has to adjust to Jason Kidd's offense. The other 2 players especially Harden will suffer unless he just sticks to playing basketball. He is looking like a proper fraud now.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 10:45pm On Oct 29, 2021
AnfieldFan:
Okk
Which club did he manage?
He managed the Real Madrid Castilla team that plied its trade in the 3rd division. It was the success he was achieving with that team that enabled them to appoint him as the manager of the main Real Madrid squad. What should he have done since then? Your Mainz argument for Klopp is unsubstantiated if you would not extend it the same way for Zidane. To dismiss Zizou's achievements you have to prove that what he achieved was easy, reproducible and could have been achieved without him none of which you can prove. You are allowed to prefer Klopp and his style of play but you are not allowed to claim that it dwarves Zizous as that will be blatantly false.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 8:33pm On Oct 29, 2021
AnfieldFan:
1) No, Keane didn't get Sunderland their first 1st division football..
2) Klopp has other trophies...



Pep isn't the first coach to manage egos...
Other coaches have done it and succeeded in the past and are still succeeding currently..



First of all, I believe delivering to Dortmund their first league title since 2001 was more difficult to achieve..
Delivering our first league title since before players like Jones and Arnold were born was also more difficult...
Now, Barcelona were successful then, Rijkaard(who inherited a team that hadn't won a title in some years) delivered two back2back league titles for them(a champions league trophy too) two seasons before Guardiola was appointed...
Frank promoted Messi, Iniesta and had players like Dinho,Eto and they likes of them..
Obviously,they team already had an air of success around them..
Pep met good players, bought better ones and every player he had was world class...
Post Pep, Barcelona has lifted numerous titles

Post Barcelona, Pep hasn't lifted the champions league despite spending considerably more than every other coach within that time period and having first pick of players...
Bayern has lifted the champions league since he left..
City got him for success in Europe but nothing of such has happened...
To put it in perspective, Tuchel and Klopp have lifted the champions league in England despite spending considerably less..
Klopp is clearly in Pep's ball park and in some people's opinions, better than Pep..
Need I remind you that Fergie called Klopp personally requesting he take over United.. Fergie wouldn't do that if Klopp didn't have the nous(both tactically and charisma wise) needed to be that guy..
Zidane started his career at 3rd division of Spanish football.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 7:56pm On Oct 29, 2021
Roland17:
Both coaches are on the hot seat and are getting the wrong attention. I will admit, Nuno is under more pressure than Ole is and I believe he is in a must win situation, else he may gone before next weekend. Another loss for United, especially a bad one, is a luxury Ole can not afford even if you believe his job does not depend on a result against Spuds. United fans are renowned to be very aggressive and it that is not something Ole, the players and owners want to see again. Ole goes into this game looking to avoid a bad result and while a draw may keep his job (which is my hope), it doesn't take the pressure off him.

#OLEIN
#WEBELIEVEINDNA
I completely agree.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 7:38pm On Oct 29, 2021
Illimitable:
By this metric, Roy Keane is a better manager than Klopp.

Roy Keane took Sunderland from 2nd bottom in the championship to winning the championship title in the same season. Surely, that’s a bigger feat than what Klopp achieved at Mainz.

Secondly, a team that could afford to get rid of such talents aren’t easy teams to manage. The greater the talents, the more expectations. Ole was doing fine with his mediocrity until he signed Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo.

Pep took one of the most difficult jobs in the world in 2008. It could have ended like Lampard for him but dude went on to win every trophy he competed for. Messi or no Messi, that’s a laudable achievement.
I agree with your take. Besides, Guardiola started his career in the 4th division of Spanish football.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 7:34pm On Oct 29, 2021
Roland17:
I will never support or be indifferent in any game that involves the Spuds (shiit) irrespective of the opponent angry angry

For this reason, I will be supporting Man U against Spuds. More importantly, a victory assures me that Ole remains coach.
We all know that game has a draw written all over it. I say draw only because Tottenham are home and just lost a game to West Ham. The game also has a Harry Kane goal written all over it. Ole's job is not going to be determined by this game or against MCFC. He will have to have a bad stretch of games combined with those games to lose it. Of course if he loses heavily to Tottenham he will be fired.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 7:37pm On Oct 27, 2021
In other news grin Android17 was right again and some other person was a liar.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Android17: 7:34pm On Oct 27, 2021
AnfieldFan:
Want to point out something...The first goal happened because Greenwood couldn't effectively press Robertson..Bissaka moved up to cover Jota incase he got the ball... Mctominay moved inwards towards the right of the pitch to cover the space(This leaves a space in the middle which Salah drifts into..Shaw is confused, he's seeing massive spaces, because Lindelof has drifted to cover the massive space left by Bissaka...Maguire moves inwards to the right to cover for Lindelof ..Shaw doesn't know if he should tuck inside to play Salah offside or cover for his CB's...By the time Jota releases the ball, almost all your players are in a press that has no structure and was doomed to fail from the start because it's individual instead of being team press..
My point is, blaming Shaw alone for something that was clearly a team effort is a bit unfair... Even if Shaw was Virgil playing against us, we would still be through on goal in that exact situation...
Here's what your team looked like in the press before Salah, Firmino and Keita made their runs..
Apart from that if you watch the first goal again for example, Shaw took up a CB position when Salah put Keita through. That proves Shaw was covering up for his CB. The million dollar question is, why was his CB out of position and which CB was that?
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 4:44pm On Oct 23, 2021
Khanben:
I remember the series and Dame stunk throughout. His best output was probably 19pts or so in game 4 I think.
That being said if you pick a likely winner based on narratives then that is on you. I pick my own based on actually watching the players and matchups like I said. Nobody who understands fundamentals of basketball would have picked the Blazers to win that series unless they just wanted to push hot takes.
First the Pelicans had 4 out of the 6 best players in the series in AD, Jrue, Rondo and Mirotic. They also had the best 2 defenders in AD and Jrue. Their best player AD was a nightmare match-up for the Blazers.
So I reiterate my stance, Dame and the Blazers did not lose a series in which they were the better team, yes his play throughout was awful but his team was still the lesser team.
If you can give me a breakdown of how that Blazers team was somehow better than the Pelicans, GSW and the Grizzlies teams they lost to I am open to listen
I did not tell you the Blazers were better than the Warriors but in that regular season they blew us away twice one of which KD had 50 points and Curry played badly. The narrative was that without KD the series would be more competitive like 4-2, 4-3 GSW win not a sweep. That was my point. As for your take on the Blazers vs Pels, your argument is sound in some regards as the Pelicans were pushing when Cousins was playing. After his injury they fell so badly that I believe they became 12th seed in the west. They did pick up towards the end to qualify but they were very bad away from home. One thing I agree with you is everyone knew Portland) would not be able to manage AD but the trend that time was that Jrue will lose his scoring trying to handle Dame and that since the Blazers had homecourt they would win the series in 6 or 7. AD was very big in game 1 but for the remainder 3 games he was contained in 2/3. It was Jrue Holiday that blew the series away as he kept having big nights (I think he even had 47 points in one of the games). Now recall that those games were very close. Like 3 of the 4 were decided by 2 points or so. Dame repeatedly missed the chance to flex his watch and show Dame time. He folded. That was the point. He miscued chances to leave imprints (something Kyrie has consistently done). Now take note that nobody except Iggy is saying Kyrie should definitely be top 75. We are saying if Dame and AD made it from the current list of active players, then Kyrie should have over them.

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