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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 9:08am On Jul 30, 2021
PDPGuy:
I thought Kyari is being accused of being an accomplice to Hushpupi’s alleged crimes against US-based businesses?
Another thing is, think of it this way, it appears that, even if Hushpuppi just called Kyari to get Chibuzo for sleeping with his girlfriend, Kyari would still have done it for money. Kyari acted like he did not care much about why he had to get Chibuzo arrested.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 8:49am On Jul 30, 2021
PDPGuy:
I thought Kyari is being accused of being an accomplice to Hushpupi’s alleged crimes against US-based businesses?
Not exactly. Hushpuppi was being investigated for fraud and money laundering -some of which affected Americans. In the course of being investigated, all his financial transactions will be exhumed and anyone he sent monies to will be seen. They obviously saw the sum sent to that Zenith account and asked him questions about it, it turned out to be Abba Kyari's 3rd party account so they asked Hushpuppi some questions and based on his answer felt they had probable cause to obtain an arrest warrant for Kyari. Please take note that contrary to emotional opinions of people who know nihil, arrest warrants are not obtained based on "strong evidence that the FBI might have". Probable cause just means that the FBI have more than a mere suspicion that a suspect committed a crime, but not as much information as would be required to prove the suspect guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. What evidence do they have? Going from final to initial - Kyari got paid by Hush - Kyari did what Hush asked him to do - Hush asked Kyari to arrest Chibuzo - Chibuzo threatened to double cross Hush - Hush and Chibuzo worked together in a scam.

From the timeline of events, the FBI cannot place Kyari at the beginning of the process - they don't have evidence to do that. They cannot place him in stage 2. They can only see him from stages 3 to 5. Does this prove beyond reasonable doubt that Kyari knew and got involved in scamming the Qatari man? It does not. How so? Kyari might be a corrupt police officer (the money trail shows it) but if Chibuzo was in possession of a stolen car and Kyari knew about this and used it as a reason to get him arrested, it is still within his power. To the law, it does not really matter that Hush paid him to arrest Chibuzo. It may not be "good" but it does not make it wrong. It will only be wrong if Kyari planted incriminating evidence on Chibuzo to get him arrested. On police ethics, Kyari can be punished, but not by the U.S. If Kyari admits he was paid to do a hatchet job but that Chibuzo actually did commit a crime punishable by an arrest, the U.S have nothing on him. The FBI are trying to find out if the payment Kyari received is directly related to scamming the Qatari man. They do not have evidence that it is and nothing we have seen or heard so far proves that he did.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 4:54am On Jul 30, 2021
Ibime:
When you enter Yankee court, you go surprise. FBI will paint him as an enforcer for an International fraud cartel. They will paint his ONE MONTH detention of Chibizo as a kidnap, citing Nigeria's rules of no detention past 24 hours without charge. If Kyari argue, they will ask Nigeria Police to provide their policy on detention which will confirm that suspects cannot be held more than 24 hours. Kyari is now a major enforcer and kidnapper for the cartel. The argument on whether Kyari knew the cartel was into fraud is now not a major cornerstone of the case. They will reduce that one to deductive reasoning. On the henchmen and kidnap services, they've already got him for 10 years, proving the knowledge that he was acting on behalf of a fraud cartel is just to add icing of another 10 years on the cake.

Before Kyaris case come up, Hushpuppi and the rest have already been hung, drawn and quartered, Judge will be in a hurry to focus on other business. That's if Hushpuppi has not reached a plea deal to remove 3 years from his sentence by testifying that Kyari had full knowledge of what "the job" means

Kyari is a cop, he knows these methods. Nothing will take him to Yankee again. Infact na Niger and Chad he go dey holiday from now on because Interpol is everywhere.
You are making a more convincing argument than most but I can play the opposition for a second. Kyari cannot be tried in US for a crime committed by a non-american not committed in the US and which does not directly impact americans. Next, the fact that we know why he arrested Chibuzo does not mean we know how he did it. What I mean is, if he actually used something he had on Chibuzo as reason for arresting him, it is immaterial that he was solicited by hush to do it. The Nigerian judiciary and police service commission can extend punitive measures to him, but it hardly plays any role in the US. Kyari has probably burnt his chances of ever becoming an IGP in future but if he was in the know concerning the scam, Hush would not have needed to explain why he wanted Chibuzo nailed. And if per adventure Hush explained the intricacies of the deal (which would then make Kyari complicit and an assessory to the crime) the FBI will need to provide evidence of this - which they did not do and do not even claim to have.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Android17: 4:34am On Jul 30, 2021
ThierryJay:
Thanks for admitting that its individuality first before trophies. A GOAT is expected to have both so I agree with you on that.

Just a slight point of correction, Zidane played either the game against Senegal or the last game against Denmark in 02 WC, so the failure of France at that tourney was collective as Henry also missed the second and third games due to an early red card. Also, Zidane did not play in the 2003 confed cup in which Henry won golden ball.

To your initial argument, frankly I consider Gerard and Modric to be at similar level/in same class. Gerard produced more spirited spectacular individual displays while Modric is more technically gifted and consistent similar to Xavi. So using trophies won to separate them is in order and on that basis, I believe Modric edges Gerard out in greatness.

But if I have a choice in a single crucial match, I'll take a prime Gerard over prime Modric.
I enjoy reading your posts. Very informative and logical.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:55pm On Jul 29, 2021
Ibime:
He is not a major player in the organisation but by providing henchmen services for a fee related to the international flow of money, Yankee have several laws to hook his neck. A lot of guys got done under Joint Enterprise and RICO laws for less.
I agree. I am not saying Kyari has no case. He is clearly a henchman. I am just saying he was not involved in the scam itself like - he did not know how they deceived the business man, how much was even really being made, Chibuzo's real role in the scam etc. All Kyari knew was Hush needed him to hush Chibuzo because Chibuzo was trying to take money out of his mouth. For his services, Kyari was to get paid handsomely by Hushpuppi. Notice how Hush claimed it was $575k but now he too (Kyari) will be realizing it was $1.1M grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 10:52pm On Jul 29, 2021
Itsrm:
See what FBI themselves had to say.

Trust the herd, they won't see this.

KYARI did not
request other information or evidence relating to CHIBUZO’s role in the scheme,
ask questions about the nature of the transaction, or ask about why CHIBUZO told
the Victim Businessperson that ABBAS was “fake.”


Ooh, maybe he didn't ask because he already knew.

That's where it ends, a game of "maybes" and "must have"

Nothing conclusive.
The guy you are arguing with is incapable of making rational arguments. I will discuss with other people if in your shoes. I don't even read his emotional rants anymore. How can anyone be appealing to the FBI's authority as proof? lol
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 7:00pm On Jul 29, 2021
Itsrm:
Lets not divert into who I am or what I am.

You said the evidence with the DSS showed that Kyari knew what he was doing at the time.

I said there's nothing in the evidence, which was essentially the voice note, that proves he knew.

You then shared a screenshot of the FBI narrating what they think happened.

I am saying that the evidence before us and before them does not support FBIs conclusion that he knew and you are yet to prove anything to the contrary.

You see, I was very curious when I saw the story and delved right into the document to understand what evidence they had and its as watery as it gets.

The question any reasonable person will ask is, does Kyari know the exact nature of the Job Hush was referring to? Maybe he knew maybe he doesn't but the evidence before us does not in anyway confirm he knew.
What you are saying makes more sense. There is nothing in the documents I have seen that prove Abba Kyari knew the intricacies of the job. He was just a hatchet man: He was pretty much paid to arrest the Chibuzo because Chibuzo was about to scuttle Hushpuppi's scam. Abba Kyari was clearly not brought into this until Chibuzo decided to go awry and he did not even need to care about the details.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 3:06am On Jul 11, 2021
Congrats Nigeria!! grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Android17: 11:38pm On Jul 06, 2021
ThierryJay:
Pls, anyone knows where Chiesa learnt to speak English so fluently?
He grew up in money - his dad is Enrico Chiesa and probably primed the boy for a career in soccer so he put him through english school to broaden his horizon. Wikipedia says he went to International School of Florence which is similar to British international school or American International school. I don't know how much you know about international schools but they use the curriculum of the nation or continent they represent and the quality of education matches what obtains in said countries. That is why some Nigerians who went to such schools will have british or american accents respectively.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 2:19am On Jul 06, 2021
Roland17:
Alaye, I figured.. So was Kobe before he retired when Tatum entered and KD now.
Yea, The Kobe picture would have worked but Kobe was not doing it big when Tatum came into the league. Kobe had retired by then. The KD picture would have worked because KD is still doing it big now but Tatum was much older than he was in the Lebron picture. The summary is, the guy is bragging about Lebron's longevity. I am not speaking in defense of Lebron, just providing a perspective.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 1:06am On Jul 06, 2021
He is trying to say Lebron has been doing it big since Tatum was that small and even now that Tatum is full grown and in the league.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 9:31pm On Jul 04, 2021
birdman:
They are more disciplined without Giannis. That being said, Trae was off, otherwise this game could have gone the other way.
I agree mostly with this.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 9:31pm On Jul 04, 2021
benji93:
It looks like Trae young was a more important player for ATL in this series than Giannis was for the Bucks. But assuming they could have done better without him against the Nets could be an exaggeration. The suitability of personnel could vary from one series to another. On the issue of allowing college players to benefit from likeness blablabla. An expectation of a good NBA contract is a powerful motivator, especially for teenagers, letting them have a lot of money early on could hurt that motivation. On the other hand, most of these players come from poor homes. They could certainly use some money to stay away from crime and negative atmospheres as much as possible. Perhaps regulating how much they get could be fine.
Giannis is also a better player than Trae but Trae can influence the way his team wins more dynamically than Giannis. Nobody said the Bucks would have beat the Nets without Giannis. However, the way the Bucks played the Nets was a slugfest. The games they won were unwatchable and we all saw how the ball could not move and the ancillary players like Jrue and Lopez were out of their groove. Compared to the last 2 games where all players including Bobby Portis have been playing at close to their full capacity.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 9:25pm On Jul 04, 2021
nelsonebby:
Nets would have finished this bucks team in 4 without Giannis. Middleton & drue are way too inconsistent.
I used the word "seem" because it is not apparent. I made that pronouncement based on the data we have seen against the Hawks -not the Nets. Next, someone can be the best player on a team yet the team will function better without said player. The Bucks move the ball better with Giannis out. The zone defense fails against them with Giannis out. Jrue Holiday expresses himself better with Giannis out. Brook Lopez can feast under the rim and still space the floor better because he has a jumper that teams have to be wary of - without Giannis. Giannis is no doubt the best player on the team and when you have him, coaches have to build strategy to maximise his skillset as they believe it enhances the potential of winning, however, that is not always the case as it pertains to matchups. The warriors in a way struggled against the Rockets with KD but seemed to do better when he was out. KD was the best player in his time at the warriors but that is what the data showed.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 9:19pm On Jul 04, 2021
benji93:
Are you sure you understand yourself? Cos if the Bucks are a good team without Giannis, it simply means Trae young is more important to Atlanta than Giannis is to the bucks.
I made a personal pledge not to respond to emotional posts anymore. Before making a post understand (the person involved that is, should) how to make inference from raw data otherwise, Steph Curry is the greatest baskteball player ever. He is 100 trillion times better MJ. Let us all start making crazy posts. grin
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 3:57am On Jul 04, 2021
Is anybody going to say it or should we pretend that it was not obvious? The Bucks seem to be a better playoff team without Giannis. There, I said it.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 12:33am On Jul 02, 2021
benji93:
I disagree with this. They won the first two games at home without him. He slotted into a very important game away, what is to say they could have won that without him? Especially with Kawhi out, they could have still won. Of course, there's no way to prove this, but your take on they don't get there without him is a kind of an exaggeration. Surely, it's great he finally got there. Another star added to the shoulder of the floor general. cheesy grin
CP3 that was 19/60 from the field before yesterday. CP3 that was turning over the ball at an alarming rate for someone like him that almost never turns the ball over. Go to the Suns reddit thread and see their fans campaigning for Cam Payne to start ahead of CP3 in that game 6. Is the reason they won the series (not the game 6 oh) grin. If I hear.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 6:02am On Jul 01, 2021
Khanben:
grin grin grin, Chairman una wan build another super team so soon after the last one grin grin grin. All seriousness though if he declines his PO and goes to GSW, next season will have each conference with 1 juggernaut team.
I saw how the media embraced the Brooklyn 3 and I knew all the criticism we faced when KD was here was propaganda. So now I want another superteam. I don't bloody care. grin
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 6:01am On Jul 01, 2021
birdman:
Floor general dropping meaningful 40pts. Where is that guy that was throwing shade 2 days ago. Better switch to iphone. Or ipob grin
Correlation is not equal to Causation, that has been established and I rested my case. Thank God nobody would say anybody was saying CP3 could not play. CP3 is the reason they won today but he is only a part of why they beat the Clippers. They won 2 games with him playing and 2 games without him. Without Zubac, Ibaka, Kawhi, the Suns without CP3 would have still beat these Clippers. We have evidence for it.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 4:47am On Jul 01, 2021
Petty jeering of the Clippers' fans. Even the bible says remember Kyrie (Luke 17:32).
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 4:42am On Jul 01, 2021
Kawhi, word is, GSW is in need of a SF. We can let you load manage all through the regular season bruh. Hit me up.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 4:39am On Jul 01, 2021
Khanben:
Assinn, i think he did not watch the series at all
grin
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 6:10am On Jun 29, 2021
Roland17:
If you are the Clippers and you lose tonight what do you do with Kawhi? Do you pursue him for another contract or allow him explore the market?
Kawhi will run it back. It is either that or he will move to another team in LA as we all know he bought a very huge house over there.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 4:59am On Jun 29, 2021
Should the floor General have been passing the ball to Booker or Ayton instead of playing heroball in the 4Q? A lie can be in office for long, it will never become the truth. I declare the CP3 propaganda dead and buried now. Thank you. grin
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17:
benji93:
Why you wan turn am to fight? grin. Na reference i reference now. You already know my stand on that man. He's one of the purest of them, and you won't have him and not be a decent team. Where you and i part ways is your claim that he's more impactful than Curry is kind of a stretch. ANd you know that. As you know how to cause problem, me to know how to cause problem. cheesy
CP3 was 1/7 in the 4Q. He had never missed a free throw all through the playoffs but he missed one during the 4Q such that had PG13 not messed his up several times, the Clippers would have stolen that game. A good player in a good team will make an impact - that is a given. In fact, nobody has downplayed his impact on that team. Nevertheless, a part of a success cannot be transformed into the reason for that success. CP3 was not the reason the Suns beat the Lakers. We all saw it here. They tried to make him out to be the reason they beat the Nuggets - we ignored because we knew that there will always be control and variable experiment grin. The Suns were up 2-0 against the Clips without CP3. If he had played that game 2 especially, we would have heard that he drafted the play for J Crowder and Ayton. Summarily: part of success should not be concluded as reason for success.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 9:50pm On Jun 28, 2021
Up yours to the EURO 2021 committee. The Swiss had scored a neat goal prior that was disallowed.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 9:45pm On Jun 28, 2021
Neat goal and should be reviewed or else France have blood on their hands.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Android17: 7:27pm On Jun 28, 2021
wman:
I wish we can get rid of all the agendas soiling this thread and enjoy football objectively like we should.

This thread is getting uninteresting and stomach-churning with the ridiculous arguments and agendas propagated here daily.
I agree.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 3:23am On Jun 28, 2021
Trae Young is a killer. The Hawks better pray he comes back in this 4th Q.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 8:52pm On Jun 27, 2021
DeeMain:
The way the Sun's players have been hyping his mentorship and leadership points to CP3 having a catalytic effect on their growth, maturity and belief. You do not have to play to affect your team's mentality. I think this is where CP3 has shone through. Leadership.
He is a leader no doubt and his leadership is part of the team's success not the reason. That is the point I have been making.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 7:38pm On Jun 27, 2021
benji93:
I actually told someone here to sit down and just watch. I have said and I am saying it again, the unpredictability of this playoffs is very obvious. PG, please do not tell me your demons are tinkering with your free throw shooting now. grin. Factory settings loading. But you never know, this might not just end up being a 7 game-series. You knew, now you don't.
@steady386, Kobe had several terrible playoff nights too, so cut Booker some slack. If he was being compared to Kobe it's definitely not with respect to his defense. cheesy. And stop behaving like a novice, we all know the American media exaggerates. They are always cooking up stories. Oh he was mentored by Kobe, so that must be the mamba mentality showing. Well they may actually be getting paid to do that.
They have to give crazy takes for ratings. Max Kellerman said some dumb stuff about Trae Young the other day compared to Curry. I laughed. Trae's only better stat 3 years in is his assists and we all know it is because his usage is crazy. He is by far below Steph in everything in their first 3 years. FG% 2 PT FG%, 3 PT FG%, FT% literally, every thing else. But Curry had to pave the way. Man was getting benched by Acie Law who averaged 6 ppg for his career and nobody can tell me it is because he could not score. Nate McMillan that is being celebrated today was sacked by Indiana. Ty Lue had the worst record with Cavs without Lebron. Coaches need pieces to win and players need Coaches to believe in them to thrive. People should be slow to give crazy takes. The day is still early.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by Android17: 7:30pm On Jun 27, 2021
Khanben:
CP3 just had Covid and sat down for 8plus days in quarantine. Barkley who should know said it would take him a game or 2 before he gets his legs back under him. So in his case i will wait till game 5 to see if he is showing his age or it is just the lag time from little or no training because of following covid protocols.
As for PG13, he and his team mates just played their 17th game in 34 days. That takes a toll on the human body and you can tell from the shooting late in game that they are all out of steam.
Nah, I am not in any way saying CP3 is past it. He is not. He can still play bball and he is indeed a floor General. However, sometimes people conflate a part of something as the cause of that thing. This is essentially the reason why KD and Pippen got into a spat recently. KD was trying to show Pippen that because he was part of a successful team, does not mean he was the reason for that team. My post was to show that CP3 is a part of the Suns success and not the reason. When they blew out Denver, the narrative was that he was the reason. So God gave us a scenario to decide if it was so. He was out and the suns without him (essentially the bubble team) were up 2-0 against the Clippers. Had CP3 played those 2 games, he would have been earmarked as the reason they won the games when he was only a part of it. As for PG13 and his Clippers, you do have a point. But they did load manage most of the regular season and at this point have still played less games than the 2015/16 Warriors. If nobody gave that excuse for the Warriors, I will not tolerate it for the Clippers. What is good for the Goose, is good for Uganda grin

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