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vedaxcool:
I hope the black folks be smart enough to avoid this needless gun battles... they will get massacred and years down the line some fool who wasn't born when it all happened will say sorry will purge the US of mostly black folks. There is something just weird about this whole killing black business that even extremist like the black panthers should be bothered, in most of the case the police needlessly used extreme force when they had little need for it, clearly there is an unseen hand planning something very drastic that should make all take calm calculated decisions not hot headed action or seeking gun battles.

There we go. Just be ready to defend the bolded because, some deluded minds that seem to come from another planet, will soon come here and tag you a "conspiracy theorist", because to them, nothing is ever real. Even for the likes of blind Steven Wonders, its not that hard to see that the way some of the shootings were carried out, were intended to provoke a response. If not, how do you explain shooting somebody 12 times while he was walking away posing no threat at all? Like you said, the black brothers must be extremely careful: they might just be foolishly walking into a dangerous trap.

Lucasbalo:
You nailed it. Why would anyone with an ounce of brain deny all the racial profiling of Black men. A Republican Conservative Senator and a clean cut very articulate guy Tim Scott admitted that he was stopped by police officers in DC 7 times in one year for no apparent reasons and some non entity on nairaland is telling me that I am jumping to conclusion about police harassment of blacks. It beats imagination which kind of upbringing will make someone that self hating.

My brother, believe me when I say there are people who are so delusional to the extent that they can even deny their own reflection from a standing mirror. Anyone who denies that racial profiling has not been part of US criminal justice system, is a complete deluded fellow, one beyond redemption. When I was in the school studying law, I came across a lot of American textbooks on criminology, and almost all of the criminologists made mention of this glaring fact. And guess what: majority of the criminologists are of white origin.

It is futile trying to nail a pin into a brick wall. We can only pray that the chicken don't come home to roost across their destiny one of these days, for they just might not have the chance to reminisce on this fact again.

Meanwhile, the officer who was accused for the death of Freddy Grey, have just been cleared of ANY wrong doing. It means that Freddy Grey inflicted the multiple wounds and brutality upon himself.

Heaven is watching.

Lucasbalo:
Appleyard, you are absolutely on point. This is what people like us are crying out about and some people are castigating us for. Anyone with a functioning medulla will know that militants will take advantage of all the police brutality to enhance their personal agenda. When a 12 year old boy was shot by police for playing with a toy gun within 4 seconds of his arrival at the park where the little boy was playing with his cousins. When Micheal Mcdonald was shot 16 times in Chicago while walking away from police and they try to cover it up but the police car camera revealed the truth. When Eric Gardener was screaming i can't breath after being tackled by 7 white officers. There are so many cases like that all over the country. It's a systematic problem in America and needs to be wiped out. Who knows whose turn is next God forbids. It's a tragedy for police officers to be killed and it's a tragedy for innocent civilians to be killed too. Police is not a jury, judge and executioner. This is a big stain on America and hopefully things will get better.

Once again, you are correct. Criminal gangs like you rightly said, are now taking advantage of the situation. But like we have said many a time, there is no winner in this whole mess, because it is the innocent-whether on the Police or civilian side-that get killed at the end of the day. Its always a lose-lose all the time.

On the other hand, it is only those who are wired to die with their eyes wide open, that will continue to denounce such a glaring threat and stain on America, until they will come face to face with this monster someday; only that there might be no time to regret.

Now this was what I have long said and feared. The passive attitude of the US government towards police brutality is what has given rise to the recent "eye for an eye" war like behaviour. However, I still believe it won't get to that level of a wide range racial war, because most whites are aware of the situation, and a good number of them have also fallen victim to psychopathic law enforcement agents at various levels. Therefore, the main crux would be the people against the state. But the real danger is the press. Instead of propagating the root cause of this whole brouhaha, I will not be surprised if they come out twisting facts and paint the whole picture to make it look like it is a war strictly between Blacks and Whites.
That's one thing they know how to do.

panafrican:
Read this

I see.

Seriously?

Missy89:
Lol. You are a very clueless person.

Not as clueless as you are...lol

Shym3xx:
Reports are still fluid and you can't really say where the coup came from. If it had been from the west, they would've told him to leave the country immediately. Even the gulf states have been quiet thus far. I think it took everyone by surprise.

He'll be lucky to survive this.

Am not saying categorically that the coup was by the west, but there is no denying the fact that they knew about it, given the proximity of Turkey's role in the Syria brouhaha. The man. didn't just tried to make amend so suddenly and desperately with the likes of Putin. He must have gotten wind of it, but they left him in the cold.

50calibre:
And how are you certain of that? Don't be silly.

You think it's a coincidence few weeks ago Erdogan tried to mend fences with Russia?

He obviously could sense power fleeing from his grasp.

A coup isn't an impromptu action, it takes time and planning, alliances has to be formed. This coup is as a result of a combination of both internal & external factors.

Don't be surprise when Russia becomes the first to recognise a new military government

Tell them.

Missy89:
Why do i have a feeling this coup wont be a sucess. Taking too long

Looks like military lacks leadership

. There is a divide in the military. But one thing is now certain, Erdogan is gone for good.

plaetton:
Actually, ISIS depends 100% on Turkey for supplies and trade.
Besides, the Turkish army is in the best position to totally annihilate ISIS.

Please tell the many zombies we have down here.

lookingbuoy:
The same way he has exposed and disposed of all your Nigerian leaders who are pocketing your resources and allocating the Treasury to themselves? Why are you pulling theories out of a shallow bag to justify your poor thinking?

. It is clear you know nothing about what has been happening in Syria and its environs. Just take a seat and reminisced on what might have led to this coup. When you are through, come back and tell me whether your theory is just or simply out of poor thinking . Good lick.

Shym3xx:
So, Kerry is in Moscow?

This is getting interesting.

But why's the US holding Erdogan back from running to Germany? Merkel has already offered him asylum.

. Some folks down here still think this could have happened without the prior knowledge and acquiescence of US and Russian secret services. I still cant picture the deal the two enemies are up to over in Syria. Believe me, we are going to see more interesting scenarios from now on.

Erdogan and Turkey is now the chessboard centre for the two greatest geopolitical players the world has ever known. Interesting rimes ahead, man.

Missy89:
What new song? Do you understand the difference between a geopolitical situation and an internal power play ?

If this is sucessful, how do you think it benefits Russia? Lmao. Better get back to eating Putin's poop.

It benefit Russia like hell... You won't see thousands of your deposed uncle's terrorists freely crossing over the border into Syria anymore. The army would make sure of that. Secondly, the Syrian terrorists would no longer be receiving arms enmass by road, like they use to do. This would in turn hamper much of the terrorist free flowing network of weapons from Turkey, thus their overall level of sophistication and fighting spirit. For every military regime are very sensitive to their borders. So, they would now have to rely much on US weapons air-dropping for its various so called moderates. In a nutshell, it would make the cost for Assad and Russia easier while dealing with the terrorist threat. Again, for the military to woo the public minds over the more, they will have to kick start a reset with Russia for the sake of the Turkish already dwindling economy. Those 3million tourists MUST return to Turkey as a matter of urgency, while the already "caveat emptor" goods like vegetables and other goods, MUST find their way back to the ever waiting Russian market. At the end, the only loser would be Erdogan and his family of thieves. It would also give Russia a Passive sense of vindication having labelled Turkey's Erdogan as a terrorist sponsoring state. The free ISIS oil trading that has been going through Turkey, would also take a significant hit, to the benefit of the Russian, Nigerian, OPEC, etc, oil market. In fact, as we speak, prices are already ascending on the global oil chart.

Now you can see why there is a benefit in the offing.

Zoharariel:
@Appleyard of Moskow - Missy89 is currently singing a new song. She said she knew this would happen.

Yeah.... she is one hell of a doubled edged mendacious sword of self delusion. At times I wondered what kind of marriage I have gotten my self into.....

Shym3xx:
Another Putin victory.

Putin stays blitzing them.

What a year!! 2016 will go down as one of the most eventful year ever - and we're just half-way through.

Merkel, give Erdogan the asylum he's begging for.

Putin's words in the wake of the SU 24 downing, we will remind them over and over again.... How payback must be a sadonistic biitch!

NairaMinted:
Sultan Erdogan fanboys, where are thou?

Erdogan's plate was full: repression of the press and heavy handed crackdown on freedom of speech, providing aid jihadists in Syria and Iraq and allowing them free unhindered access through Turkey, illegal cross border incursions into Syria and Iraq, the genocidal crackdown on Kurds where several Kurish cities were wiped out, shooting down a Russian jet which in turn tanked the economy when Russian tourists stopped visiting and the general instability that Erdogan's actions brought upon his country are all possible reasons why these brave military officers have staged this coup

Erdogan's apology to Putin and his move to seek a detente in relations with Russia and step back from his ill-advised and delusional goals came too late. Good riddance!

CC: Zoharariel, Appleyard, Scully95

As you make your bed, so you must lie on it. He had it coming. Its practically game over now for Erdogan.. The ghost of the SU-24, the destruction done to Syria, and the countless memebers of the opposition killed and imprisoned in Turkey, are all haunting and crying for vengeance against Turkey meat Erdogan. The confrontation with Russia was something that has also caused a divide among the top echelon of the Turkish military, and the sanctions that later followed further added fuel to the fire. You easily don't find replacemeant for 3million tourists. I told those terrorist apologist down here that, Erdogan just fired an air to missile against himself, and now, we are seeing the accumulative effect of his daredevil politicking. I will not be surprise if Russia or the US is involved in this. Don't forget he even tried to blackmailed the US.

Now, even if the coup didn't succeed, the fact has now be laid that, Erdogan is now a want away terrorist and authoritarian despot. The future for him now is one hell of uncertainty.

How Assad must be smiling now, while watching event from Damascus. Two evil Rulers that wanted to kill his legitimate government, chanting the Assad must go slogan, have been slapped back by payback, within a month. David Cameron has now officially packed out of number 10, downing street, and now Erdogan. This just reminds me of the saying that, man proposes, but God disposes. God shall continue to expose and dispose of all them that want Syria to be another failed state like Libya and Iraq, in Jesus name, amen.

Lucasbalo:
Spot on Appleyard. US Senator Tim Scot of South Carolina , a black conservative admitted that racial profiling is the root cause of the senseless killings of innocent minorities. Senator Scot even said that he was pulled over by police seven times in one year in DC. Tell me any white senator in that situation. Those are conservatives with conscience not some self hating house negro huffing and puffing about nothing. There is hardly a black man no matter how successful or accomplished you are that haven't experienced being profiled by police. I was coming out of my Fitness Club last night and I was pulled over by a police officer and I gave him my license and registration with insurance. He ran the documents and said nice Truck by the way. He never told me why he pulled me over but I was not going to argue with a guy like that at 11pm. That's what people face here as sad as it is. Racism is well and alive in US and only by people talking about it can end it. For someone to even say there is non is very appalling.

That's is just about it, Lucas. Racial profiling is the root cause of all this. Even some American criminologists of white origin, have also in their works, stated the same thing. I just don't understand how someone can be denying it when it is very obvious.

vedaxcool:
Somehow I suspect the white supremacists establishment are banking on a violent reaction from blacks to go on an over kill... Some take Obama's presidency an affront to them.

I think I must agree with you. Something tells me that some of these killings are been deliberately done to provoke a spontaneous response from not just the blacks, but also from the public at large. You never can tell what those devils have up their sleeves. God help America.

Lucasbalo:
The problem with some right wingers is they want to justify police brutality on minorities by saying Blacks are killing Blacks in large numbers. The difference is that the black thugs and drug dealers are doing most of the black killings. The police officers are sworn to serve and protect. People that suppose to serve and protect you shouldn't end up brutalising you or kill you unless if their lives are in danger.

Exactly. That put them in the same shoe with the Thugs and Drug dealers. There is just no way anybody can hide the fact: racism is a motivating factor in some past and recent police killing of blacks. The evidence is just too obvious.

Missy89:
There was a study that shows that white cops are hesitant to shoot minorities when they are put in that position because of the backlash. That is what i was referring to. Will find a way to post it later.

There was a new york times article today( done by a black Harvard professor)

The title is : Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings by QUOCTRUNG BUI and AMANDA COX you should read it.

Few excerpts

A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias


You should go online and read the whole thing. There was another study done by the department of justice last year that black and latino cops are more likely to fire their guns first. And there is another one that showed that more white citizens were killed by cops last year.

There cant be any honest conversation about the issue if black americans dont want to accept the facts and be honest with themselves.

America has a police heavy handling problem but it is not racially motivated. Crime stats shows that. And remember unarmed killings that you mentioned includes someone reaching for the officers gun like Micheal Brown was.

The Marshall project that did a study on that explained it in their report. Excerpts here :

The Marshall Project that looking at the details of the actual incidents that occurred paints a different picture:

The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Post’s “unarmed black victims” category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths.

In one of those unintended cases, an undercover cop from the New York Police Department was conducting a gun sting in Mount Vernon, just north of New York City. One of the gun traffickers jumped into the cop’s car, stuck a pistol to his head, grabbed $2,400 and fled. The officer gave chase and opened fire after the thief again pointed his gun at him. Two of the officer’s bullets accidentally hit a 61-year-old bystander, killing him. That older man happened to be black, but his race had nothing to do with his tragic death. In the other collateral damage case, Virginia Beach, Virginia, officers approached a car parked at a convenience store that had a homicide suspect in the passenger seat. The suspect opened fire, sending a bullet through an officer’s shirt. The cops returned fire, killing their assailant as well as a woman in the driver’s seat. That woman entered the Post’s database without qualification as an “unarmed black victim” of police fire.



I have been good thanks

I have been busy. That's interesting stuff you post up there, but the facts remained that Police brutality against blacks, is no longer in question. Recent events and happenings before now, suggest the obvious. However, my bone of contention here is that, it isn't as if the whole of the police as a force have decided to be killing Blacks as a policy, but that certain elements within the force are hell bent on murdering blacks even when the situation doesn't call for it. and this disease is gradually but systematically spreading like a cancer along the force. Its fast becoming an ideology amongst certain officers of white origin, whose numbers are increasing daily. The danger in this whole thing is that, vengeful killings is always a possibility, and we are already seeing this. But what I feared most is that, a scenario may result wherein some Cops of Black origin may also develop a similar ideological trait that might result to unnecessary killing of white suspects, as a counter balance. Believe me, this is very possible because human beings are the same everywhere. So, if the government fails to act now, more serious consequences may result in the future.

vedaxcool:
They are not helping blacks with their action .... this will alienate them and undermine black lives matter campaign.

Agreed. But when you pursued a snake to the wall, what else do you expect it to do? The killer cops got it coming.

LGDON:
Are they calling for racial war

The white can whipe out the black race if they want to

There would be no racial war. Apart from the kkk, many whites out there detest the police as well as blacks do, and once the going gets tough, they won't hessitate to turn on the government, the prime enemy. I just hope this doesn't get out of hand.

Missy89:
Please show me the facts you said you presented to me about police killings that i did not respond to.

Thank you

Well, i just don't have the time to go digging threads for previous posts, but remembered you said ''you are more likely to be killed as a Whiteman than as a Blackman.'' And i think its on that same thread we also discussed the issue of US prisons being privatized, Yeah.
But remember that the killings we are talking about are not just the normal killings, but of police brutality and unnecessary killings - unarmed killings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

The real problem here is Police unnecessary killings, and its clear that most of those killings are beyond erroneous interpretations. Most are centred on ''hate'' especially when it comes to blacks.

By the way: where have you been?

Lucasbalo:
You are absolutely right. I was watching live on TV last night when coupled crazy guys ambushed the police officers in Dallas and we all know the after effect. It's real sad. I am a father of four and I get scared when they go out especially for Junior. It's scary time in US but we just have to pray that cooler heads prevail. About Missy, she's something out of this world. She would not condemn the shooters of Blacks but she condemned Obama in a jiffy for saying that all this police killings are disturbing. I am doubting her credibility and I told her that last night. I work in an office full of White Republicans and they are all displeased with all these killings of innocent black men and women. An injustice to one Is an injustice to all. With all the video evidence thrown in her face, She still won't condemn the police officers. If those two black men are Whites, they will be alive today. Thanks for your concern. Hopefully, Justice will prevail and all the killings will stop on both sides.

@the bolded, he that have an ear, let him hear. Until men everywhere realizes that the color of your skin, economic or political status, doesn't and shouldn't determine when or how to stand for the truth, so many will continue the downward descent down the dungeon of bias and inhumanity. Am glad that you are one of the few up here with a conscience of red flesh, unlike those whose souls, spirits and bodies are buried in the abysmal notion of ''white supremacy'' and white god that does no wrong. I tell you, jingoism and self delusion are the bane of many gentlemen here in this artificial world of discourse.
Nevertheless, we can only pray and hope that this current evil trend is substantially minimize, if not totally eradicated. And i think you parents now have more work to do concerning the going out of your wards; like you said, its now fearing times in the States. God keep you all.

Lucasbalo:
You are spot on about KKK and White Nationalists infiltrating police departments all over the US. This started in early 90s. Most of those officers are there to intimidate minorities. When the police officers have confrontations with Whites, the officers are very good in disescallating the situation, but with brothers, they shoot first and then call for the ambulance. We had a guy in Chicago recently by the name of Micheal MacDonald, he was walking away from police and he still get shot 16 times by the police officer. After he went down he shot him 15 times while he was down. The racist police officer lied that the guy jumped him and the video on his squad car revealed the truth. He's now facing first degree murder at Cook County Court. I bet your friend Missy will never condemn such execution. She will defend the White Racist cops and she loathes people that looks like her. What a mystery.

Blood of Jesus! (@ the 2nd bolded.) This is a real threat to America's peaceful co-existence. What a-hell is the government waiting for to put in laws and regulations that should checmate police contact with civilians and the rules of engagement? 15 and sixteen shots on a man unarmed? Jesus! Its just too much, and i hope the insane cop get what he rightly deserves - the gallows.

As for those turning the blind eye to this crime against humanity, let them be, one day, they will come face to face with reality. As for you and the remaining brothers over there, may God keep y'all far away from those white sons of perdition masking in police uniforms. I just pray the authorities gets to work and fish out the madmen before nightfalls, otherwise, get ready to see a second Dallas, and more from now on. The precedent has been laid. The counter has just begone: only that it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good, as its always the innocent that pays the price.

What a cruel world

Lucasbalo:
Appleyard, no one said America is perfect. In a country of almost 350 million people, things like this will happen as sad as it is. The Feds civil rights division of justice department is on the case. Its really sad to be a black man in US now. I had my shares of confrontations with police officers while growing up and lucky for me I am still alive. That's why I supported Black Lives Matters which your friend Missy dismissed them being antagonistic. Hopefully, things will correct itself and the culprit officers will be brought to justice.

Believe me: there are people in these forum who have no sense of humanity and any pint of guilt and remorse, but we all are entitled to our opinion, and i always try to be careful as much as possible because, by certain comments you make, you can become a partaker in the sins of others, and for every evil word you say, you shall give account of it on the day of judgement. And i believe that as a Christian. Missy is my friend any time, any day, but most times, she has increasingly become blinded by sentiments that at times even choke me. She told me not quite long that, you are more likely to be killed in the US as a whiteman than as a blackman, but when i presented her with facts that despite being of the minority, more blacks were killed by police in 2015 than any other race in the US, she didnt reply back. And now, the story is becoming worse, and as if i foresaw what will happened, i woke up this morning with FoxNews screaming the sniper killings of 5 policemen, as vengeance for the recent police killing of two blacks. All these are happening because the government, for being to passive and increasingly insensitive, has encouraged such killings, and now counter killings to take place. Like you said, they MUST do more to discourage this trend that is currently unveiling otherwise, more incidents like this are bound to happen. The precedent has already been set. Its even more painful when you considered that even the 5 police officers killed, are innocent of the crimes commited by their colleques. You see that?

The government must act now before its too late.

I said it before that this senseless killings and brutality by white cops, would lead to a revolution of some sort, and its already happening. I feel for those police officers killed so far, but they should expect more of this if they continue in this path of systematic murdering of black ethnicity. You just can't be murdering people all the time and expect nothing to be done about it. The government must do something about this.

NairaMinted:
My brother, brutality thrives in Amerikan police treatment of common citizens reflecting an ethos of violence that has flourished over the years with almost no one in authority held accountable. See this report on how a man who had already prostrated himself on the desert floor with his hands behind his back but yet was viciously brutalized.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Man-on-Stolen-Horse-Stunned-by-Sheriffs-Deputies-in-IE-299250951.html

The suspect was punched 37 times, kicked 17 times and struck with a baton 4 times of which 13 of those blows were to the head!

13 blows to the head of a man who had already surrendered, Jesus! Am telling you, if the government don't do anything about this Nazi-like threatment meted out to blacks, then is going to arrive at a point where police officers would become a shooting-practice target for colored people everywhere. Last year, the kkk-infested police arm killed 201 blacks, many of them unarmed. But this year alone, is like they want to surpass that devilish record because, as at this July 2016, they have killed up to 123 Black people across the US, despite just making about 13% of the whole US population.

You can just immagine.

Later some people will come here and tell you how they have the 'best institutions'' that other nations don't have. Pathetic.

I sincerely pray that the government does something about this brutality and highhandedness, otherwise, it might lead to a bloody revolution in the future. R.I.P to the African murdered brothers.

I just can't believe that somebody of my Wife's intelligence would pick this as a strawman's handbag, knowing full well that its a normal diplomatic thing for every rational and sane leader to do for the sake of global peace, especially when nukes are involved.

Well, it is allowed, But how are the mighty fallen, Oh lovely queen. who have caused thee to err?

zachanalysis:
I strongly doubt the US government will put out a defence or assault technology that will get easily peed on by some ordinary Russian radar. Lockheed martin is known to always come out with military hardwares that never disappoint in causing the Russians at least 2 to 3 decades of serious headache. So Op forgive me if I dare to your story is fabricated.

My brother, America is good in weaponry, but their propaganda and overhype, works better than the actual weapon itself. Stealth doesn't give you invincibility, it only reduces your chances of being killed, but the crooked Lockhead Martins want you to believe otherwise. You mentioned Lockheed Martin as a yardstick to believe the lies you are being told. If the President of Canada who have his own military experts and advisers, is telling you that "the plane doesn't work," what else do you need to see the obvious that the ediots are just wasting American taxpayers money?

Some of you guys need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid, you’re believing in total to indifference to what is real. Stealth is useful only against short-wavelength radar of the kind that might be carried on an interceptor or used by a radar-guided missile. Physicists today says no amount of RAM (Radar Absorbent Material) coating will protect you from 15ft to 20ft wavelength radar of the kind the Russians have had since the 1940s. If you are putting F-35 up against the newer generation of much, much more powerful long-wave length Russian radars, as well as the P-14 Tall King family of Cold-War era radars and some of the newer Chinese radars of a ground-to-air unit that would have no difficulty detecting and tracking an approaching F-35, then you just might have to think again.

Take for instance enemy planes like the Sun-35 and its capabilities, even when not stealthy. The Su-35S Super Flanker-E has a comprehensive radio frequency offensive/defensive suite, including Digital RF Memory wingtip RF jammers for the mid/upper bands, and an optional Low/Mid band jamming pod. The addition of the electronic attack (EA) capability complicates matters for Western fighters including the F-35, because the Su-35’s advanced digital radio frequency memory jammers can seriously degrade the performance of friendly radars. It also effectively blinds the on-board radars found on-board air-to-air missiles like the AIM-120 AMRAAM. The Su-35 can also change directions fast at high speed and high-altitude for anyone that does get a long-range no-escape-zone (NEZ) solution on it. Thus, ruining the AIM-120 NEZ for those shots. Unfortunately there is a little margin for error, the large exhaust nozzle of the F-35 will be extremely hot, an enormous fuel burn (in full afterburner) that will limit its range and has a very big heat signature. The back end of the F-35 in full afterburner is something like 1600 degrees (Fahrenheit). In terms of temperature, aluminium combusts at 1100. You are talking about something really, really hot. If you have got a dirty big sensor on the front of your Su-35S or your PAK-FA or whatever, it lights up like Christmas lights and there is nothing you can do about it. The plume because of the symmetric exhaust, is all over the place. It is not shielded, it is not ducted in any useful way. The Sukhois will be able to seek and destroy the F-35 when using the heat seeking BVR (Beyond Visual Range) AA-12 (R-77) Adder air-to-air missiles. But Lockheed Martin will never tell you that.

And BTW: have you forgotten that the F-22 is afraid of the rain? The stealth paint gets wash off by rain and after each flight the F-22 has to be repainted. The same thing will happen to the fat pregnant pig F-35.The F-35 is at best a great national scandal, unproven and at worst the biggest piece of high-tech boondoggle to ever come out of United States of America. Again, if the defence acquisition was up to me, I’ll be certain to kill the F-35 (for more F-22s) and encourage the allies to cancel this lemon too, as a way to put it into the indoor fire and watch it burn for good. Or better, take business elsewhere. Lockheed Martin are bunch of crooks, outliers and I’ll never do business with them again. They are certainly a bad bargain for any customer.

It is time to put the F-35 into AMARC and to get them chopped into the recycle bin.

And that's just about it.