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I knew it would eventually come to this. No peace plan was ever going to be achieved because, the US was always hell bent on overthrowing Assad. I wonder what next from the Russians and the Syrians. This crisis is entering a whole new level, and only God knows what will happen next .

Lucasbalo:
Like I said earlier on, what Hillary said was not politically correct but she was very truthful. I don't say all Tramp supporters are racists but racists and bigots in America supports him. There is something here we call dog whistling and that's there way of sending coded messages to each other. I won't expect you to understand the damages of racism to the people of color. About all your gripes about Hillary, she was the Secretary of State and she implements the President orders. Blame Obama then and that's another topic of discussion. I don't care for any war if US is not threatened. Left to me, Ghadafi, Saddam Hussein, Assad and other tyrants I don't care about. Let there people take care of them. I don't like war as much as you but Hillary do not call the shots as to which leader to overthrow or not. That's the call of the President and you guys blaming Hillary for that is just barking against the wrong person. SoS here is equivalent of Foreign Minister in Nigeria, you don't blame the Foreign Minister in Nigeria for what the country did wrong abroad, the buck lies with the President. I grew up with Reagan flooding America inner cities with drugs to finance wars against the Sandanistans in El Salvador. That effect is still in inner cities up till today . That's big time racism , flooding minorities neighborhood with drugs being run by Col Oliver North from the basement of White House. That's the reason I loathe and wishes the Racist One will never become the POTUS. Moreover, Tramp is the one advocating for the use of Nuclear Weapon during the Intelligence briefing he got from CIA. I guess that doesn't bother you. You and I are not going to agree on this because our life experiences differ. It's not about me and even if he wins, it has no effect on me because I have set a prosperous path for myself through the blessings of the Good man above. I am worried about the fragile young ones coming up in a divisive America . Americans don't need a racist, snake oil salesman cum con artist as a leader. We deserve better and I believe I would be proved right on November 8. Peace out.

I gat your drift @ the bolded.

But People will still blame Hillary because when you're working for a killer, you are knowingly partaking in his crimes, especially when you gloried in them. Based on this, one can be hardly exonerated.
On the issue of drugs been deployed in minority African American communities, some persons are of the view that it is a strategy to undermine the black race in the scheme of things, so it was said. Merely looking at the prison rate of AAs in the US, which defies every logic, one can't help lending credence to such conspiracy thoughts. How a minority people that makes up just 13% of the overall population, yet constitute the greater numbers in incarceration, beats my imagination. It is only a myopic zombie that doesn't know racism, even in the criminal justice system, is a well suited divisive gentleman that walks about in the US.
I honestly wonder how you guys manage to stay with your blood pressure at normalcy when your kids goes out. When I read on fox news how homicide killings for this year in Chicago alone have surpassed US war casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan put together, I began to wonder if people that are living in those places are robots or simply indifferent to the realities. It meant one thing though, and it is that you guys yonder side have BALLS OF STEEL! I must commend you guys for the brevity.

The question now is, will American Foreign Policy change for the better or what, should any of these two people emerges come November 8? Cause there is hardly much difference between them. Nonetheless, One can only hope for the best.

God keep you all.

Lucasbalo:
You see the difference between us in what you just posted. The people ( Racists and Bigots ) Hillary was calling deplorable are the scums of the earth and they are worse than deplorables in my book. I do not expect you to understand that since you do not know the historical perspective of where I was coming from. I don't want America to go back to Jim Crow era that your Russian ass licker Trampy fraudster wants. You talk about world peace, all the lies that you guys shunned out about Hillary is frankly disgusting. One thing you guys forget is Americans are not a single issue voters. We have hundreds of things if not thousands before we cast our votes. I do not like America interventionalism and I have stated that here so many times. I almost lost two nephews of mine that we grew up together because of Bush worthless adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan . So harping on your Hillary supposed foreign policies mess doesn't wash with most Americans. Things that matters to Americans are Jobs, Proctecting S/S, Minimum Wages, Taxes, Women choices, Global Warming and so many things. Comparing a candidate who is an avowed racist to your single issue you are angry about, I know where my dime will go. If you want a confirmed Tribalist and an avowed Jingoist to rule Nigeria , good luck to you but I don't want a worthless con man cum racist to rule mine. Thanks. Addendum, you mentioned Hillary dissing 25 million Americans by calling them deplorables, that's absolutely false. The racists and the bigots she was referring to that supports Tramp with donations and mailing and robocalling I doubt is not more than 500.000. I don't know where you get 25 million people from. I guess from the right wing journals and blogs that are popular with Nairalanders who loathes hillary.

You're simply allowing emotions to affect your judgement and reasoning, dear friend, and that's not good at all. I don't understand the lies been ditched out against Hillary that you're talking about. Maybe there are those that have told lies about her, but certainly not me. If at all I have criticised Clinton, it is based on FACTS and not some lying excuses. As a Nigerian/African, you don't expect me to support someone who, during her time as secretary of state, simply refused to designate Boko Haram as a terrorists organization, someone who publicly gloried in the killing of an African leader and the destruction of that country when she said: " we came, we saw, and he died." I honestly believe you don't expect me to, but I won't be surprise if you do because, you ain't in my shoes.

I believe you know the numbers of registered eligible voters in the US and how many percent of that Trump's support base represent? You may wanna check that out yourself. Recently, Trump is getting 40% of the polls, (do the maths with the current eligible voters,) which means that its even likely well over that amount of 25m. And going by the Clinton's comment, half of such are deplorables, isn't it? Don't think it was the 500,000 you quoted. If she was referring to that figures alone which you said were all racists and bigots, why did she apologized the following day? believe me when I said that comment was a gaffe, and she knew it. Mitt Romney made the same mistake when he commented that 47% of the people will vote for Obama no matter what because they depend on the government for almost everything in their life; and guess what happened... his campaign never recovered from the after effect of that comment.. He inadvertently called those bunch of people lowlifes. And that's exactly what Hillary just did, though she later apologized. It is trite that when you're running for president, you're representing all of Americans, not some. But like I said earlier, both candidates are different sides of the same coin.
I am not an American and so, I won't be voting, to say the least. My take in all this is just for the security of the world because in the absence of security, economic well being is meaningless.


Once again, good luck to you all over there.
God's peace upon thee.

Lucasbalo:
Appleyard, Hillary didn't goof about the statement. I can admit she was politically incorrect. That's the problem with you guys that are biased against her. What she said was absolutely true. All you need to do is watch Tramp campaign and see how Confederate Flags were being displayed with Pride. Americans know what that flags stand for but people like you will never know. Those guys displaying those confederate piece of garbage called flags will skin people like you and i if no one is looking. Steve Bannon of Breibart News who is the CEO of Mr Racist is an avowed racist. David Duke , Alex Jones, Pat Buchanan, Ted Nugget and so many Kkk, Aryan Nations, White Nationalists and so many of the hateful and deplorables human debris are his followers. They are contributing to his campaign and running commercials on his behalf all over America. People like you thousands of miles away will not see or know that. You just Google stuff that fits your narrative and help your hatred for Hillary. I dont know how a sane and rational black man will suppory people like that. Some things that maked you wonder why people love their oppressors.

I must warn you Lucas; you are being way too emotional about this Hillary-Trump stuff, and its clouding your judgement and unearthing the dark side of you. You just have to learn to accept constructive criticism so as to counter critique without recourse to temperamental and bitter dispositions. If Hillary can call about 25 million Americans "basket of deplorables," i don't see much difference between her and Trump who mocked a disabled journalist, amongst many other nonsense he had said. The fact is that one of these two people will emerge the POTUS come November 8, and at the end, it won't matter whether you or I said it before. But, you must understand that everyone have his or her reason for supporting either candidate, and mine is ONLY limited to the fact that one seem intent in creating a drawback on American devastating Foreign Policy, which should help make the world a safer and better place to live. Aside that, they are simply two different faces of the same coin, and I wouldn't have mind if any of them emerges as President, but for the sake of world peace; one can't help minding.

Good luck to you Americans. God help us all.

scully95:
True, that reminds me, this is the same strategy Putin used during the Chechnya war. A lot of people do not know why Yeltsin decided to single handedly hand over power to Putin.. The reason is, he knew he was the only one who could put Russia back to where it should be. After everything he did to the west.. Honestly the west were very much close to winning a war with Russia during Yeltsin era.. But furious west shut itself in the leg by trying to break Russia itself.. Putin was the answer at the time..

He was the one who took the war to the doorstep of the wahhabi crazies, us/Israeli backed terrorist as at the time. So all of them know Russia backing Assad is a replay of Chechnya war but this time outside the boarder of Russia. And this is why Israel and other players are hell bent on escalating of which Russia has all the cards on deck to quickly calm/contain the escalation.

I have a strong feeling it will end the same way Russia ended the Chechnya war and now Chechnya has turned to tourist attraction for many.

Its trite fact that Russia don't start wars: THEY END THEM!

seagulsntrawler:
Excellent post!!!

Thanks man...

I think Hillary goofed big time when she made that "basket of deplorable" comment. The recent polls shows that that statement is getting back at her. The game is still very much open, though.

PehaKaso:
MUSLIMS & HYPOCRISY!

You do not want to discuss your Nigeria's OCCUPATION & OPPRESSION of Biafra & the Niger Delta, but freely diss Isreal over same the treatment you encourage in your country.

You have not removed the log of wood in your own eyes, but want to remove the speckle in another man's eyes.

You are a big fool, rot in hell for all I care, in fact, GO & DIE!

PS; I am PehaKaso, a true son of the Niger Delta.

Don't cry, brother , Nigeria would be great again. But if you think secessionist movement embedded in criminality is what would bring that change, then I must say, you're leaving in delusion. Ask yourself: what have your governors, senators, reps, chairmen, commissioners, etc, that represent you people across the various states in the South-East and South- South, done for you? Answer that! So, what makes you think if you get Biafra today your life will change, when its the same cabal and political demagogues that would still be at the helms of affairs,huh? Just check out South Sudan for yourself.

Mind you, am a bonafide son of the Niger Delta Region too, from Ughelli, to be precise, and I can tell you that no one here is even harbouring such senseless secessionist mindsets like you; because we all know the problem, and the problem is ALL OF US. Not until we start changing our mindsets and reevaluating our values, no meaningful development can be achieved. Our own son of the soil (gej)was there for a whole six years, what did he achieved? Corruption and free looting! He couldn't even complete East-West road befall leaving. Not even the one leading to his own village at Otuoke, not to mention building a single refinery, inter alia. Just ask yourself: why couldnt GEJ sign into law the recommendations of the National Conference that he spent so much money on, befall leaving office? And this is the same kind of people you're hoping will lead you to the promise land when Biafra comes, huh?

Until we stop playing tribalism, the political demagogues will continue to play us, looting our wealth to grease the palms of already developed economies in Europe, while the rest of us are myopically chanting
"give us Biafra and Niger Delta republics."


Pathetic.

Pathetic.

Rajiolaade:
Who poisoned her when she fainted in 2012.

Please ask them..

Its open secret that much of US Foreign Policy to the Mideast is controlled by Israel.

PehaKaso:
I will definitely take the OP serious if ONLY he would publish any of the scores of articles written about "Nigeria's Oppression of Biafra & the Niger Delta."


Isreali & the Middle East affairs are not African issues, hence they should not not be given priority over Nigerian domestic issues.


PS; I know that OP is a Northern Muslim though.

This is Nairaland, a Nigerian forum for all sorts of discussions, and this is the foreign affairs segment where ANY foreign topic or issue of interest is discussed. Its not limited to African, not to mentioned, Nigerian issues only. So, please, take your Biafran mantra elsewhere. We have enough problem already. Maybe you may wanna visit South Sudan on a fact finding mission..


No offence meant.

Israel is a racist nation by ideology. Netanyahu made that very clear.

scully95:
To work or dine with the devil you need a very 'long spoon' and I like the way russia is dealing with the devil with both diplomacy and the use of force now the two combined is just nothing but the earlier 'long spoon'.

The devil will just continue to act devilish, just recently, the syrian army reported to have shut down f-16 jets violating its airspace and the idf denied... Just when a truce is taking place then the devil bites again.


That is just a clear definition of evil.

Well said.... Israel is one real problem that might jeopardize whatever peaceful process and coordination the US and Russia maybe working on. As the IDF target Hezbollah, who are fighting for Assad, continuous clashes will definitely escalate to a whole new level. But like you said, I like the way the Kremlin is handling the situation. That is, always ready to engage in any attempted peace process, but at the same time, striking targets when it becomes necessary. In other words, Russia is saying that, "if you want this matter to be resolved peacefully, our hands are on the negotiating table, but if you continue backstabbing and escalating the situation; you can bet we are more than able to walk that path as well."

I just hope this whole thing work out. But, honestly, I doubt it would.

bonechamberlain:
they have seen that trying to isolate or fight Russia would be a futile and hopeless adventure.

Trying to isolate a country with a history, a renoun industrialized economy, with eleven different time zones, is tantamount to trying to shield the earth's surface from the sun's glory. Its always going to be a monumental failure of unprecedented proportions.

Lucasbalo:
You never ceases to amaze me with your anti Americanism. There is nothing wrong with the two countries cooperating if something positive will come out of it. If you think Russian economy is First class, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell to you. Their economy is in shambles for obvious reasons, their defense budget and low oil prices and the Syrian intervention is not helping. That's why I am totally against American interventions in foreign affairs unless America is threatened.

I believe you can differentiate between realistic postulations and delusive apologetic stance? The likes of Brenan were part of the bunch that called Russia a third world nation, that have no say in certain foreign and geopolitical matters, and as such its interest MUST not be taking into consideration: but suddenly now, they are seeing the need to work with her. Question: if they knew this all along, while didn't they seek such pact and rapport at the early stage of such conflicts, which would have prevented such needless bloodshed and wanton destruction? Why trying to isolate her when you know you couldn't?

And that's just the primary reason a lot of people will continue to hate America....nothing else but for its warproned foreign policy and senseless military adventurism. Otherwise, nobody is against the both of them working together to achieve common goals. That should be everyone's prayers for the sake of our planet.

romme2u:
oh Appleyard of Jah, the hollande yogurt of france is thine for inheritance for your eyes have seen what only the gods at olympus could see and your brains have deciphered strange mysteries reserved for the sons of gods

For vladimir the son of putin has succeeded in wooing the beautiful bride of turkey which was betrothed to obama the son of hussein the son of barack who ruled US from 2008 to 2016 .

An so shall it be.....

Ehen! I thought they said Russia is a third world nation? How come now she is a power house, and not just that, but one the US must work with to solve certain issues? Is the CIA repenting or what? Just wondering.....

How karma must be a bad fowl. So, this man is still paying for all his sins? He said "Assad must go" and now, himself is gone., not just only as Prime minister, but also as MP. What goes around, always comes around...


Adieu Chameleon Cameron.

They should lead by example by first sacking themselves before thinking of meddling in matters and usurping authority that is strictly within the ambit of Executive powers. There are senators in the upper house of the Legislative Arm that do not even move a single motion for their entire tenure as law makers. They are less or more legislative spectators.

Pathetic.

Missy89:
Nigeria has a bigger economy than Denmark and Finland. Which country has a better infrastructure and quality of life?. I like how you use the word "readily fairly visible". You need to get out of wherever you are and visit the place you claim to know a lot about from the internet

Must I visit Russia before I can talk about glaring facts? Missy, this whole develop jargon of a thing is just an ideological perception, and is very subjective. Everybody knows that.

scully95:
Well, this is another opportunity to re-arm the crooks in Aleppo.. Russia should stop this vicious circle.. Aleppo siege may be broken again after this useless truce cos the u.S..

This will fail again but the good news is no matter what, the u.S is on the loosing side.. Once Aleppo is taken completely, it will allow saa and Russia to cut supply lines to raqqa and game is over.. This is why u.S is hell bent on truce again to prolong, re-arm the crooks.

The problem is, the ceasefire never even get implemented. So, I am not expecting much from it.

Missy89:
Military capability is NOT a key attribute. Norway, Switzerland and Canada have no strong military but they are developed countries. Location is not really that important either. Australia is an example and neither is population or leadership. There are less people in Belgium than India or Nigeria and I haven't heard about anything Norway is interested in leading.

Economy, Rule of law and strong government,infrastructure,quality of life are key however. What you listed are only useful if you want to measure geopolitical power. Two different things

I think you're contradicting yourself via the bolded with what Welzyj2 said.

Economy encompasses infrastructures and quality of life. Rule of Law is imbedded under a strong government. Aside the recent economic downturn in Russia oweing to the negative oil prices, the above mentioned factors are readily fairly visible in modern Russia.

The criteria that's most appropriate for measuring the development of a particular country, are subject to debate. Even the UN made this very clear. And there are a whole lot of such criteria that rightly put Russia as a developed nation.

Missy89:
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Russia has a lot of natural resources hence her GDP will be very high but the economy itself is not really dynamic. Even the Soviet union was not regarded as a developed country. Give it a rest. You should visit Russia and see for yourself. Once you cross the Ural mountains, The rest is shite. If you study the history of the country, you will know why it is almost impossible for it to be as developed as the west no matter how hard the leaders try. I remember talking about this before

Go back and read the history regarding when the terms "developed and developing nations" came into being. It was coined during the cold war era wherein the US and its allies were in strives with the USSR and its allies. The terms when used gives the US a warped sense of belief that some of their allies with communist tendencies and ideologies, are still developing: while on the other hand, it enabled the USSR to tag some of it allies that practice free market theories, as still developing, even when going against communist doctrines.
Again, it gave the US led west the yardstick to see the USSR led east as "2nd tier world", while they regarded themselves as " the first tier world." The rest of the planet are then known as "3rd world nations." It was just a matter of economic and political ideology.

But the whole truth is, the USSR and today's Russia was a developed nation way back from the old. What the west today see as developed, is strictly out of the same ideological perspective that was operating during the cold war era.

Have you ever wondered why today the World Bank decided to do away with the term " developing? The reason is: there is no much difference anymore between so-called developed and developing nations of the world today. And that's exactly why it has stopped using that term. And they are very correct.

Missy89:
Russia and china are developing countries. That is fact


Sup?

Nay! I won't say Russia is a developing country, neither is it altogether a developed one in all ramifications, as some would argue. It can better be said to be in between. A world of its own. Again, it is trite that the designation and classification of nations as developed and developing, varies from place to place, and from one organization to the other, depending on the criteria adopted. There are those who based their designations on the country's level of industrialization, technological advancement/innovations, level of economy by GDP and GNP, HDI, High income earning, and so on. There are no hard and fast rules for classification.

For instance, the UN criteria for evaluating the degree of economic development are gross domestic product (GDP), gross national product (GNP), the per capita income, level of industrialization, amount of widespread infrastructure and general standard of living. Some organizations include HDI also as one of the indices.

The UN's list of 10 largest advanced economies.

In 2014, the ten largest advanced economies by GDP in both nominal and PPP terms were:
Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States. All of these are considered to be 'developed'.

World Bank classifies economies and there is a category of "high-income economies". Russia is present in that list.

Further facts on the Economic data of Russia from IMF:
GDP (PPP) = About $3.5t (6th position)
GDP (PPP) per capita = About $24100 (53rd position)
GDP (nominal) = About $1.18 t (15th position)
GDP (nominal) per capita = $8,184 (74th position)
HDI = 0.778 (High. 57th position)

Even if we are to go by PPP, Russia (not to mention China) would still be there. On strict economic bases like in GDP and GNP, Russia can be said to be 'developing'. Which ever angle one looks at it, Russia can't be said to be a developing country in toto.


Am cool... long time...

Lucasbalo:
You are bringing up the Crazy leader of Philippines who is killing his own people left and right. It's only a matter of time before Fillipinos turn their backs on him. You are supporting him because he calls Obama son of a bit:h in his native Tagalog when he was giving his speech in English. I guess you are a bonafide member of HAC. We shall see who is going to be the next line of attack for HAC members when Obama vacates the Presidency on January 20.

I believe you read my post very well. I am not supporting Duterte and his extra-judicial killing madness. I only referenced his comments as a generic indication of the increasingly air of resentment of the US by many nations, due to it's incurable interventionist disease and Foreign Policy enslavement to the MIC and the neocons.

CSTR2:
This is a truly ignorant statement even the most ardent anti- US fanatic will not utter.
China and Russia are merely developing countries trying to catch up. The US created the internet and have the biggest software and hard ware firms in the world and the best IT minds too.
70% of the advancement in Cyber technology in this world was made on US soil or in collaboration with america.

That the US created the internet therefore mean they are the king of cyber warfare, right? You even called Russia and China as merely developing countries to show your level of ignorance.. Do you even know how long this nations have been in the game? Stop being ignorant. Just go and read up the confession of top US military brass on Russia's EWs, particularly as it relate to the Ukraine.
That should be an eye opener.

There is always an advantage in every disadvantage.

Obama be like:

you damn Moscowvite! You exposed ISIS as my pet project during the annual UN General Meeting last year, and I was forced to shamefully CENSORED that speech of yours so that most of the American people that my CIA controlled Media have successfully zombified over time, will not get to know the truth and spark a revolution.

And as if that is not enough, you came from the blue after giving a one hour clear-the-air-notice to my military, and you started bombing my pet project ISIS, which I faithfully escorted from Libya and Iraq into Syria. How dare you!

You even have the audacity, the effrontery, and the temerity, to call them ISIS when I always call them Daesh.

To make matters worse, you dare destroyed my "murderate" rebels in Syria, making all my billions spent on training and arming them a waste of money and efforts. If only I knew before hand, I would have diverted such funds to help mitigate the sufferings of the over 50 millions of Americans that are living on food stamps today.
You bastard!

After making a mockery of me by thwarting all my efforts in Ukraine, the speed and stealthiness by which you took Crimea and the alienic capabilities you deployed and displayed on course Syria, further made my war planners and think-tanks institutions look stupid and incompetent, as they stare and behold the Bear in awe and disbelief; for such things can only happen in the movies, after years of self imposed delusive propaganda. You see what you are doing to us? You gaddamn son of a gun!

Now, am really getting pissed off. In a bid to undermine our Dollar, you got Iran to sell their oil for gold, and you are now swapping currencies with China, which is busy dumping US treasury bonds like mad; for which I had no option but to fabricate an anonymous buyer in Europe to mop them up. Despite all the sanctions I have placed on you as a counter measure to stifle your military resurgence and weaken you economically, still; your economy have adapted to the sanctions, and have even recorded some growth in other areas. And now, many nations on the sanctions side are about rebelling against me. Mad man!


I brought up NATO (Nationalized American Terrorist Organization) unto your doorsteps in the East in order to deter and scare you to fall in line of obedience like our puppets in the rest of Europe. We even went a step further by switching on the missile shield program in Romania. But instead of you to capitulate and acquiesce to our hegemonic commands, you countered by unveiling the Satan 2, the U-71, and a host of others of your alien-like fifth generational hypersonic missiles that renders our Aeges and THAAD defense systems useless. And to complicate matters for us, your drones are now escaping air to air missile fires, just as one did recently in Israel, by the aid of your damn magrav technology. Its by this you have rendered our bathroom fleet carriers to become sitting docks. And the French Navy further confirmed it when they used the same technology to sink the Theodore Roosevelt Carrier in a training exercise. Damn you Putin.


I, Obama and my European puppets said " Assad must go". But, you said he must stay, and its we that must go. Now, Cameron is gone - tossed out by brexit. Erdogan is now siding with you. Hollande Hollandier Milk President of France is now a confuse man, as he can no longer been seen fighting Assad who is fighting ISIS that is also killing French people in France. Merkel CDP is now losing elections in Germany due to her immigration policy that is now killing Germans, all fueled by her previous stance of Assad must go mantra. Now she can't say that anymore. All courtesy of the Russian engagement. You are now reaping us apart.

Inspite of all the lies, the frenzy and character assassination our controlled media covens carried out against you; you remain the ONLY President in Europe with an 80% approval rating. I Obama don't even have 50% among my own people. Not even with my fellow African Americans.

You damn Putin! Why have you chosen to be President during my time.? Why don't you let a nigga be?

Damn you Russians.

Chubhie:
The Chinese snubbed Obama by failing to accord him a red carpet reception given to other leaders.

The Chinese and Americans almost exchanged blows at the airport.

And the Philippines President doubled down on the ill treatment Obama received in his recent travels. The underlining fact is that, people and nations all over the world are increasingly getting fed up with America's imposing Foreign Policy highhandedness and geopolitical autocracy.

So you mean to say, he is a President ONLY in the prison? Just wondering.

It has always been the same pattern all along. The US causing confusion and chaos from one part of the earth to another.