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Poseidon000:
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democrazy you say? Lol.

Have you forgotten that gaddafi was a potent threat to their fiat system(same as Saddam hussein)? the only reason they invaded Libya.
Apple of jah, don't tell me you believe the democrazy hogwash
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That was why i said ''democraZY''. The full demonstration of Madness! And all their terrorist apologists will face the Music also.

Poseidon000:
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Read you 5by5, lima Charlie, Chief co-ordinator ba'ath battalions Poseidon000 reporting mid-air after a major assault on enemy oil facilities east of hama province, on behalf of Cyprus000 who is on sabbatical leave till 12 of July.

Cyprus000 jus relayed a decode from central command, ordering a major assault(of truth and reality) on tabqa(nairaland) and subsequently all of raqqa(internet).
Air unit up latakia airbase, under scully95's command, will provide aircover.
Use the captured western minions as decoy if requisite
Take no prisoner of war.

I REPEAT; take no prisoner of war. Do you copy, soulja?

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[b]Copy, Soulja! Debriefing from encoded intel recieved from Special Agent, 5by5, Nairaminted, reveals Major operations ungoing below Sputnik's orbital position, KremlinSAT EKO 1, Frequency: 125089, Symbol Rate: 89,000, Polarization: V, Deir Al Zor, Aleppo. SU-34s in Striking Range, Kilo Klass Sub in the Caspian Sea, with 89 ValerianSteel Kalibr Cruise Missiles in Heat Stage, waiting to Lunch.

One Minute Sir... We have recieved an S.O.S from the Mazeltov F-35 undercover Sabbotage Mission, OAS Chicago, Requesting immediate Termination and Rescue. Further Query reveals that the Program has been Compromised. The Enemy is Moving in Like a Flood, One of ours has Snitched on us! Info coming in from District Ops Grand Commander, 5by5 Zoharariel, of the MidWestern Region, entails that Khrasukha EW and the Voronedz DA Early Warning Systems in Ijebu, has intercepted and decoded a voice Transcript, with Imagery Barometer revealing that WE HAVE A MOLE, Missy89, undercover Agent to MI6 have now Defected to Langley. JESU! :-O

Sir, (you know how i feel about her: oh my luv, whyyyy ) I know National Security is of utmost Paramount. Should we still proceed with Strike Action and take no Prisonal of War? ( eeeeeh Missy oo ) Two Minutes to Engagement sir! Should we Proceed, Sirrrr.. MISSYeeeee [/b]

AIG07:
Coincidence you call it.
But this is more than that, it is simply a 'Life Replay'.

Your sense is right there in your mind. There is nothing coincidental here. Its simply just an order of cosmic proportion. Its only those who doesn't know how this work, that calls such things as coincidence. For the little time i have been in this word, i know what i have seen, i have come to understand that there are powers and event that are simply beyond human comprehension.

seagulsntrawler:
Great analysis as usual. Erdoghan is increasingly getting isolated as you mentioned earlier, if you consider the number of senior officers he has so far purged in the army. The army's traditional role is to strike a balance between secular Turkey and Islamists which Erdoghan represents. From all indication, he has since crossed the line and would be thrown under the bus very soon. He turned against his former allies in the AK party such as Erbakan .

Exactly! Its getting tougher for him.

Yeah. This is what Amerika and France refers to as dictatorship. Even with this type of dictatorship, no NATO member citizen life is as rich and better off than that of an average Libyan. And now that they have brought the nation to its knees by spreading their ''democrazy'' to it, they must be feeling very accomplished now. But they have forgotten that what goes around always come around. Those who perpetuated this evil will one day pay for it, one way or the other.

seagulsntrawler:
I say a big amen to that. Talking about blow backs,Erdoghan's Turkey and Saudi Arabia are due for regime change cos they've taken their luck too far. Saudi is fast running out of cash and won't have money to fund terrorism anymore. When the military gets tired of the "Dog" in turkey, they will throw him out.

Am telling you. The rift in his inner circle is getting bigger everyday. Davlotoglu has resigned and Erdogan is becoming more and more paranoid. The major problem with him is his desparation to achieve his objectives by every means, and this has grossly undermine due process in some quarters. And if fillers from Turkey are anything to go by, it is that there is a growing discontentment in the ranks of the military, and especially with Erdogan's policies towards Syria.
In Turkey right now, anything is possible.

On Satan Arabia, it is becoming clearer that even the devil has abandone the takfiri financial country. The economy is taken a dive, its policies in Yemen and Syria are becoming untenable with each passing day, with billions spent for nothing to show. As far as Russia and God's justice is involve, these two nations will continue to waste their resources on nothing.

tsdarkside:
i thaught it was boko-harams fault....boko-boys and tomatos....chaiii..that was very funny....

My brother, this country have suffered so much.

Missy89:
Lol

You are dangerously incoherent and uninformed. You are refusing to see thru your bias and smell the coffee.

I will try again maybe it will sink in this time.

The treaty on the final settlement with respect to Germany which the alleged commitment was made was signed in September of 1990. Warsaw pact ceased to exist in July 1991. So if the Wwont move eastward, It was talking about East Germany as Gobby pointed out. And what Baker was referring to if you read the article 5 of the treaty is that ( I will quote again) Until Soviet forces had completed their withdrawal from the former GDR, only German territorial defense units not be deployed in that territory.

So, Yes The Soviet military was right beside Germany's borders in 1990 when the treaty was signed. The Baltic states were left out of the negotiations because they were still part of a military bloc and another country . And when they were freey want as they saw fit. Joining NATO actually made a lot of sense because it guarantees their sovereignty from Russia.

So can you see how your timeline doesn't make any sense?


You mentioned Jack Matloche discussions in 1990 regardinnot always make that specific.


(2) The territory of Jack Matlock and Gorbachev to confirm this.

I was right. Lack of comprehension has become a part of your unbridled crash down the isle of the Langley delusion. Honestly, am really disapointed. I always knew you had been living in denial, but this, is just too dumb and puerile for your ego.

Oh, what have you done to my Queen, Amerika.. ;-

Let me try for the last
time to help you again.
And i hope you see in betwixt the lines.

As at 1990, here are the countries of the Warsaw Pact.

Czechosloviaka,
Bulgariaj,
Poland,
East Germany, Romania,
Soviet Union.

Now, the deal that was being made primary centres on East Germany and NATO advancement. If the deal side of the NATO advancement was only limited to East Germany, what sense would it have made since the East is being reunited with the West to become one Germany? A ONE Germany that instantly became a NATO member by virtue of the West side of it that was in the alliance prior to reunification? Now, even if the GDR agreement was to be limited to East Germany alone in terms of NATO's advancement, going forward is still a clear VIOLATION and BETRAYAL of that commitment because, Germany is bordered from the East by Poland and Czech, which are NOT part of the Soviet Union, but Members of the Warsaw Pact, as Independent nations. but which borders Russia. Now, if NATO's advancement and deployment was to be only to the East region of Germany (which is now a one Germany and a NATO member,) why would the Russians worry since they are leaving, and the fact that the East side doesn't share border with Russia but with Poland, an ally which borders Russia from the east? It was CLEAR that the advancement Gorbachev, and many more was talking about, signifies that NATO, in which the new Federal Republic of Germany (since East Germany is no more) is a member, should not advance its structures outside the East (that part of Germany,) and further down the East (into the likes of Poland) that directly borders Russia unlike the East of Germany which have no boundary relationship with the then Soviet Union.
This much was the underlying meaning in what Genscher said..

Genscher spoke with Shevardnadze. According to the German record of the conversation, which was only recently declassified, Genscher said: "We are aware that NATO membership for a unified Germany raises complicated questions. For us, however, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east." And because the conversion revolved mainly around East Germany, Genscher added explicitly: "As far as the non-expansion of NATO is concerned, this also applies in general."

This was from a primary party to the deal whom you said was ''a third party''. Hysterical. The tenancity of your incomprehensability is appalling.

Even your Gorbachev have have this to say:

"The Americans promised that Nato wouldn't move beyond the boundaries of Germany after the Cold War but now half of central and eastern Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be trusted."

How disappointing, my Love..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1933223/Gorbachev-US-could-start-new-Cold-War.html

Yeah!The rest are garbage because they soundly put to rest your lies about NATO's motive towards Russia.

Until you come out of your pigmy-sized shell of mendacity, you will never see things the way they are.

Russia is always an enemy of NATO and NATO is always an enemy of Russia, as long as the cold war mentality prevails and continue to dictate their respective ideology.

Be free Dear Love. You weren't like this, and i don't want you to join them trollers. I luv U, my Queen.

NairaMinted:
Since Mark Toner and John Kirby haven't been providing any comic relief material lately, let's see what our Ukronazi friends have got to offer



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Translated by Ollie Richardson for Fort Russ
29th May, 2016

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Tvzvezda




A video edited by unknown Ukrainian "analysts" is gaining popularity on the Internet, in which a terrible secret is revealed – the Savchenko who returned to Kiev is not the real one, and is a double. This was reported by the website "Russian spring".

Allegedly, the real Ukrainian pilot Savchenko died in a Russian prison from hunger. Instead, the one who returned to Ukraine is Arkady Shestitko, who had a sex change operation and tried to achieve maximum similarity with the gun-layer, convicted in Russia for 22 years.

Ukrainian "experts" were initially confused by the Savchenko's new complexion – according to many, after months of hunger strike, she should be somewhat slimmer. However, Internet users have joked repeatedly on the subject. It was also noted by the creators of the video the fact that supposedly the real Savchenko had a slight squint, which is not present with her twin.

The Russian President has pardoned Savchenko on May 25th, 2016, who the Russian court sentenced to 22 years in prison. She was jailed for the murder of VGTRK journalists Anton Voloshin and Igor Kornelyuk in the Donetsk region.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFHJF4ZQzok

This world is a terrible place.

seagulsntrawler:
I am hoping it ends quickly too. The people of Syria have suffered a lot from the anglo-zionist scums. The conflict presents an existential threats to hezzbollah, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran,China and Russia.
Should Syria fall to the western backed jihadist, the US will make them head straight for Lebanon, Iran, China(Uighur fighters are learning in Syria), and finally Russia( the chechens and dagestani rats are in syria too).
Their initial plan was to bog Putin with an afghanistan-like conflict in Syria, but he's always several steps ahead of the neo-con dumb skulls. Anyway, that's what you get when you spar with a chess player

On point, brother. The entire brouhaha has been for the soul of oil and the pipelines that control it. I pray that this should end well for the people of Syria. They will surely gain back their country at the expense of much destruction. But at the end, those offsprings of Satan that started this whole mess, together with all their apologists, will have nothing to show except for the wanton destruction and killings in the country. Syria will surely have the last laugh.

cephalis:
really? So, whats Russia's interest in backing the Kudish forces?

I believe the end shall tell.

seagulsntrawler:
The village of Abu Alaj has just been liberated. So the desert hawks are just 35km to Tabaqa Military airport. We should expect plenty of firework in the coming weeks.The ISF is already into southern Fallujah, so we are about to witness the end of the western created ISIS.
The US and MSM are looking for ways to slow down the advance of the ISF but to no avail.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-desert-hawks-liberate-abu-allaj-village-west-raqqa/

Its getting interesting. I hope they end this once and for all.

NairaMinted:
The news that has been bandied around the past couple of weeks was that the Kurds, supported by Amerikan special forces were the ones making a push for Raqqa. <Clears throat>

That was force. I even watch a news footage of Syrian Army entering a village near the city. The American backed Kurds are pushing from another direction.

Embosman:
Isn't raqqa the city saker said is going to be a riddle for Moscow?

As in?

overhypedsteve:
Hmmm. The Terrorist are now living in terror. They sqirm when they hear the name " Vladmir" mentioned, yes. This is what we foresaw in the days of the great prophets, this is the redemption that must be delivered with a furious blow. Move on comrades the gate of Raqqa is wide opened, today we must dine with the devil himself.
This is SteveZuks reporting from the Ancient Supersecret Soviet era Spiritual base in Benin. The war before us is one that must be won by the force of superior armaments, Rockets will be launched, munitions will be dropped and deaths will be died.

Copying that from the Warri Sea base of the Delta region of Sevastopol, with full Intel currently be decoded by Cyprus000, Zonal Coordinator of the kaspersky Sambisa Forest Ballistic Nuclear Fortress, 87th regiment of Pantsir Division B of the Kremlin West African Shield of Doom... Sputnik in MidEast Orbital Position: OVER Souljah!

Zoharariel:
Hhaaaaaaaa! The news gladdens my heart because the assholes at the Pentagon won't like this owing to their longstanding nexus with ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabab & Boko Haram.

Zoharariel Underscore Obatala reporting for duty from the Sevastopol Naval Base in Ijebu.

@Missy89 - Pls come, let's play a game called the last cockbender.

Chai! Miss89 don see something for this barrack o. The news is a good, as the Syrians army with Russia untop them are pushing from the right, the Kurdish militias with reported US air power atop them, are also pushing from the left in other area. If such commitment was the case ever since, the whole of ISIS would have long been sent to hell. Am hearing there is a covert operation going on between the two. Can't verify, though.

I can't wait for those takfiris to be rooted out.

seunny4lif:
All hail the world real Man
Lord Putin


Waiting for America zombies



Reporting for duty from Akurenic Air base

Akurenic Airbase wonerful.

Missy89:
The question has been answered already. When the Soviet Union fell and most countries in Eastern Europe became democracies, they joined NATO to guarantee their sovereignty after decades of Russian oppression. The few that continued business as usual are now paying the price i.e Ukraine.

That doesn't mean they are planning to invade Russia.

Crappy delusion, Missy. What democracy? What is the difference between Estonia and Belarus or Moldova and Latvia in their respective governmental administrative set up that make them more democratic? Answer that!

Alot of you keep touting this concept without proper considerations.
The concept of democracy is subject to various ideological and ethical interpretations revolving around the apparatus of belief and cultural consciousness of a given population. That is why what is called a ''democracy'' in Britain, may not be the same in Nigeria, yet both nations operates within that axis of the term ''democracy.'' For instance, in Britain, the socio-political system allows for gays to thrive because to them, it is '' democracy.'' But in Nigeria, the socio-political system criminalizes such acts. Now, going by western concept of democracy, isn't that interpreted as ''undemocratic?''

Anyway, lets forget that.
Now you are implying that Russia want to invade these nations, hence the NATO deployment, abi? In other words, NATO is afraid of an invasion, and its deploying abi? Which then equally denote that Russia is also afraid of an invasion and complaining and threatening. So whats the fuss?

On Ukraine: which price is it paying? Because the Ukraine that we know before 2013, was far better and stronger than the one we have now, even with an economy that fares better compare to some of its formal Soviet neighbors, until your Satan-led America came and forment a coup in the once peaceful land, plunging the nation into the chaos it is today.

Now i know the price it is paying: obey or suffer. Very interesting.

Missy89:
You see this is always the problem. You mix things up without sticking to the facts.

Nobody is mixing anything here. The problem with your lots on this issues is lack of comprehension, misinterpretation and and mistranslation of what was being said and done.
Now lets take a look:

Goberchev: The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either.

Phew! Gorbachev is saying here that ''Nato expansion was NOT BROUGHT UP AT ALL,'' right? Was not brought up BY WHOM? NOT A SINGLE EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRY brought up the issue. JESUS! Who were these Eastern European countries? Who made or were privy to the deal signed by Russia and NATO vis the Berlin Wall aftermath? In essence, what Gorbachev is saying here is that, '' no nation in the eastern axis of Europe, including those that were born out from the Warsaw Pact, raised the issue of a NATO expansion family or of joining the alliance, EVEN AFTER THE WARSAW PACT CEASED TO EXIST!
And Western leaders in 1991 never did suggest such expansion motives.

But wait! There was something else..

Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance...

Blood of Goat! How else could NATO Military structures advance without membership of the alliance? Can't you get it? If you are saying that NATO expansion wasn't at all discussed, but you discussed that it's military structures should not move forward: isn't that an expansion already discussed? Are NATO's military structural establishments and deployments devoid of political configurations? And advancement to where? The East. And the East here simply conote Russia's borders and sphere of infuence (not East Germany per se, as the country was being reunified,) except you can furnished a Voodoo map showing Eastern Germany bordering Russia right now.

This much was what Gorbachev was saying, and its the same thing that the Formal German minister, Hans Genscher said when he spoke with Shevardnadze. According to the German record of the conversation, which has now been declassified below...

Genscher said: "We are aware that NATO membership for a unified Germany raises complicated questions. For us, however, one thing is certain: NATO will not expand to the east." And because the conversion revolved mainly around East Germany, Genscher added explicitly: "As far as the non-expansion of NATO is concerned, this also applies in general."

Call it the nail to the head!

It was clear that Russia was giving every impression on NATO none expansion down Germany and beyond after reunification, a deal that prompted the Soviet withdrawal of 260,000 troops from there.

McGovern, formal CIA official then, confirmed it.

Jack Matlock, US ambassador to Russia then, confirmed it.

The declassified State Dept 'NYET' cable to US Embassey in Russia, testified to the Red Lines.

The evidence are overwhelming already.

NATO is an open door organization, If Russia wants to join, Russia will have to change a lot of things like improving rights among other reforms that guides liberal democracies of the west. that.

See yourself? Pls tell me about liberal democracy in Turkey, the Baltic states and others with their post-Soviet style ideologies still intact, etc. So much for your liberal democracy. Stop being an apologist. NATO don't give a dime about democracy, else the likes of Turkey would have no business in it.
Russia was never going to get into the bloc because she was one of the reasons it was created. Russia was, still is, and is always going to be a NATO foe. Let that sink in!

I see you are still struggling to answer the question. Whic and why would NATO want to Invade Russia? in the west NOT invasion. So if we are to take your words as facts, it will only reinforce what NATO is doing which is protecting itself from all threats.

Gaddamit! Just answer who is NATO defending against, yet, you can't give a straight answer, instead, more babylonish rhetorics. Oh! So, the cold war was all about ''containment and deterrence,'' abi? Good! Now, it is trite that the condition precedent for CONTAINMENT and DETERRENCE is borne out of what? SUSPICTION. Thats right! Of what? INVASION. Haha! This was the hallmark of the Cold War. Both sides SUSPICIOUS of one another, then out of FEAR, they move for CONTAINMENT AND DETERRENCE, to CHECKMATE and PREVENT a Possible IMMINENT or FUTURE threat. Is that so?

In other words, Nato sees Soviet/Russia as a threat both during and after the Cold War, that was why she wasn't allowed in, and Russia felt same way, and is wary of NATO at its doorsteps.

So, what are we even arguing about?

Missy89:
This is why Poland and Romania want to be in NATO.

Poland : Katyn Massacre; Russian government killed all the country's intellectuals and officers in other to occupy the country in 1939
Mass deportations of Polish citizens from their homeland to the East
Arresting Polish leaders, tortured them and killed some of them( Trial of the Sixteen) and forming their own puppet government in Poland.
for over 4 decades
Go and study the history of Poland from 1945–89 and learn from it.

Romania : After promising King Michael that Romania's sovereignty would be respected, The Romanians switch sides and joined the allies. Romanian solders were instead slaughter en mass by the Russians, shot anti communist protesters, had control over the country till the late 1950s,

By the time hostilities between Romania and the Soviet Union ended, Romania's military losses had totaled about 110,000 killed and 180,000 missing or captured; the Red Army also transported about 130,000 Romanian soldiers to the Soviet Union, where many perished in prison camps. After its surrender, Romania committed about fifteen divisions to the Allied cause under Soviet command. Before the end of hostilities against Germany, about 120,000 Romanian troops perished helping the Red Army liberate Czechoslovakia and Hungary. - Library of Congress

Again study Romania's History from the late 40s to the early 50s. Eastern Europeans have learned from their history and realized that only an alliance with a more powerful military can guarantee their independence after the fall of the soviet union. Hopefully, you will answer my question and tell me why the US will want to invade Russia.

Oohhh God! This is the reason i get tired in debating with you at times. Romania, this, that, have previously suffered in the hands of Soviet Russia, Nobody is disputing that, my friend. Now, they joined Nato, thats right. And Nato according to you have right to move weapons to any of its territory, abi? Ok o. (I just dey laf.)

The question now is; who is Nato defending against in Poland and Romania? Just who?

scully95:
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Each time I see poor people write, I can easily tell what they are suffering from. When Russia was stocking Nukes in Cuba, what made U.S think the Russians would one day invade U.S? This lead to cuba missile crises that made U.S finally stopped the presure on Cuba.

Question for the offsprings of illusion. To them, the US have the right to be afraid of an invasion then, but now, Russia shouldn't reserve that right. Talk about hypocrisy.

The truth of the matter is, U.S has invaded all the former Soviet union states via hybride war fare and turned it to a NATO colonial state or empire state. WHat made U.S invade Chechinia with its proxy armies back in the day ? This is not even new. High ranking U.S official was wired taped dealing with head of the terrorist back then and when Moscow wrote to Washington, washinton replied, they are dealing with opposition. The same way they are telling you they are dealing with opposition in Syria today ??

But according to my love, Russia was not an enemy to the US before 2015, and yet, you were arming the opposition in its own country. We all know how NATO and the US also armed and supported Georgia in 2008 against Russia. Yet, Russia wasn't an enemy till 2015.

Oh, my lovely Queen... Oh...

Missy89:
I asked you why the US would want to invade Russia, You had no answer. Instead you were talking about Kosovo Iraq and Libya. Can you stick to the to reason?

The problem usually associated with you, is that NOTHING ever make sense to you. And sadly now as it seem, lack of comprehension is becoming a part of that too. But let me summarise it all up to make it simple for you: THE COLD WAR MENTALITY NEVER ENDED. Ask me for additional examples plus the ones i have already listed before. You know am always generous to you, my lovely Queen.

You keep talking about NATO and the expansion eastward, First, It was a political expansion and few troops have been stationed there since those countries joined NATO. As a sign of good will, NATO created a Russia-NATO council so that Russia can send delegates to NATO ( The council have been suspended after Crimea).

The expansion of NATO will never mean anything to you because you blindly refuse to comprehend the GLARING cold war mentality and the notion of realpolitiks. When you are ready for this, come back to your husband and lets talk. By the way, political deployment is the necessary factor for a military one. Don't you forget that.

Another concession was made when START II was about to be signed, The US canceled the planned missile defense in Poland and Czech republic.

Honestly, you got me on that, cause i made a blunder naming START instead of the ABM Treaty.
Not withstanding, the Poland program is coming up next year or so, plus the already functional Romanian one. The Czech part of it might just be reprioritized afresh. So, we are back to square one.

Even Gorbachev have said that the US never promised him there wont be an expansion to the east but you keep repeating the old kremlin line to show that you cant think and do research for your.

So you were caught up in that crap too, just like a lot of people were. Well, you can be forgiven. But first, it was never a Kremlin line. 2nd, Gorbachev didn't said that...though there was a lot of confusion about this. But this is where logic reasoning comes in after weighing the necessary facts.

Now, in the law of contract, there are expressed and implied terms, just as there are written and oral agreements.

Here is the testimony of a formal minister of Germany back then...amidst an interview...

...But how could the Soviet leadership be persuaded to support this solution?

"I wanted to help them over the hurdle," Genscher told SPIEGEL. To that end, the German foreign minister promised, in his speech in Tutzing, that there would not be "an expansion of NATO territory to the east, in other words, closer to the borders of the Soviet Union." East Germany was not to be brought into the military structures of NATO, and the door into the alliance was to remain closed to the countries of Eastern Europe.

You hear am?

Even the US ambassador to Russia confirmed the implied terms... Read more below...amidst other denial...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nato-s-eastward-expansion-did-the-west-break-its-promise-to-moscow-a-663315.html

Even in 2008, the US embassy in Russia recieved the below exerpt...

…we have the text of a State Department cable dated Feb. 1, 2008, from the U.S. Embassy in Moscow bearing the unusual title: “NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES.”

The idiiots knew there were RED LINES but yet they deliberately chose to cross them. They even predicted and anticipated the current events playing out right now in Ukraine, as far back as in 2008. And yet they went for it..

Talk about the Devil.

Just read further here...

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/bill-clintons-epic-double-cross-how-not-an-inch-brought-nato-to-russias-border/

Now use your own suo mo tu, logically match the facts and unbiasly draw your own conclusion: it was clear THERE WAS A PROMISE NOT TO EXPAND EASTWARD, EVEN AT AN INCHE.

And that was the Russian RED LINE their own State Department was talking about in that cable.



Innuendos? There are no innuendos here. Your refusal to see the reality the way it is, will never make you see reason. It would be the height of stup1dity to expect a country that lost more than 25 million people to an invasion, despite having a ''none aggression pact'' with the enemy, should now fold its hand and applaud the deployment of Missiles by its most vocal enemy to its door steps? RUSSIA WILL NEVER MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN!

Nato-Russia Council my foot! When same Russia asked to be inducted into the alliance, why was he refused, if they didn't have ulterior motive? :-( And you expect them not to show their concerned and be wary of an invasion? Mtcheew!

This was the same Missy89 that once argue this same line to the contrary with boakface, now saying otherwise.

Why have thou fallen, my love.. ;-(

Now, who is NATO Defending against in the East?

Lucasbalo:
Thanks Appleyard. That's the problem I have with some of our friends here. They will critique the West which is their right but will never criticize Nigeria for all the evils the thieflicians and worthless politicians have done to damage what's suppose to be the pride of Africa. I always believe that critiquing your leadership and government is the highest form of patriotism. I criticize America for her worthless wars and foreign interventions. I belong to a Peace Group here and some people make fun of us by calling us Peacenik. Some guys here on Nairaland will rain all kind of abuses and say vile things about America but will never criticize the worthless and corrupt leadership of Nigeria. Isn't that an irony ?. Not criticizing the people that have destroyed millions of lives due to their greed.

Nationalism borne out of the strongest form of Patriotism but solly based on Jingoism, is the worst case of delusion and self-denial; a complete imprisonment of thought and conscience.

My postulations and position on national and global issues are far from such deceptive basics.

The truth as it is, and as it ought to be, is all am ever trying to portray. For conscience is an open wound, only truth can heal it.

Thus, just as America's global intervensionism and foreign policy recklessness is it's achilles heels, so too is corruption and lack of quality leadership the bane of Nigeria as a sovereign entity.

Just as the blood-sucking elites and greedy financials that has taken up the reigns in most parts of the developed world, pushing the world to the brink of extinction by engaging in reckless moves, needless, avoidable and senseless wars upon wars that only killed the innocent but brave soldiers, just to satisfy their lust and diabolic interest, while their own sons and daughters live in extravagant villas and estates; so too the Nigerian political elites have successfully and awesomely destroy the economic and political foundation upon which this country was built.

The corruption madness in Nigeria is such that, one may be right to infer that God has forsaken the country, and Satan has equally rejected it.
Nigeria is the only oil producing nation in the world that still import fuel. You can immagine!
It makes you feel that Nigeria is one hell of a joke on the consciousness of nations under the heavens. No thanks to the political demagogues we have as leaders.

Not withstanding, i can still see a glimmer of light at the end of the political tunnel, but one can only pray that the various elements of rebellion emanating from certain parts of the country now, doesn't get to that feverish stage wherein the various arms of the armed forces would become ethnicised and politically segregated - the recipe for all out civil war. South Sudan quickly comes to mind.


God help the world. God help Nigeria.

The end is always a possibility.

Russian-backed Syrian troops pushed into the Islamic State (IS) group's bastion province Raqqa, threatening to catch the jihadists as US-backed Kurdish-led fighters advance from the north.

The advance from the south-west, with Russian air support, brought the army to within 40 kilometres of the Euphrates Valley town of Tabqa, which is the site of the country's biggest dam, the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights said.
The dam, 40 kilometres upstream from Raqqa city — the jihadists' de facto Syrian capital — is also the target of the Washington-backed offensive, which Kurdish-led fighters launched late last month.
It was the first time that government troops had entered Raqqa province since they were ousted by IS fighters in August 2014.

Regular army troops were backed by militia newly trained by the regime's ally, Russia, Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman told AFP.
Mr Abdel Rahman said that the twin offensives, which threaten to cut off IS-held Raqqa from jihadist-held territory along the Turkish border, raised suspicions that Moscow and Washington were covertly coordinating operations by their respective Syrian allies.
"It seems there has been an undeclared coordination between Washington and Moscow," he said.
At least 26 jihadists and nine government troops and militia were killed in the army's advance, according to the Britain-based Observatory, which relies on reports from medics and activists on the ground.
Syrian army spokesmen were not immediately available for comment.
Assault captured more than 100 square kms of territory from IS
The jihadists are facing counter-attacks on multiple fronts.
Arab and Kurdish fighters backed by Washington have launched an assault on the strategic Manbij pocket further up the Euphrates on the Turkish border, regarded as a key entry point for foreign jihadists.
Hundreds of kilometres downstream in neighbouring Iraq, elite Iraq troops have launched an assault on the emblematic IS bastion of Fallujah.

seagulsntrawler:
Sarcasm at its finest! If Iran is the leading sponsor of terror then there's no word to describe the superpower criminal states of Israhell,turkey, saudi arabia, france,Uk, and the US. What a joke!

Joke of the century.

ebamma:
What a joke,
At least the Iranians support sane groups like Hezbollah, and the Iraqi popular Mobilisation forces, that do not kill for fun,

America is renown for supporting and gifting weapons to blood thirsty terrorist groups from Afghanistan to Syria.
How did Isis get so rich?
Because America let 'em smuggle oil tankers out of Syria before the Russians entered the fray and destroyed those tankers.

For daring to speak this truth, God has added 3years to your life, in Jesus name..

NairaMinted:
These Zionists are good at telling jokes I tell ya

Cheap ones for that matter.

Lucasbalo:
Gbam.

Dear brother, I don't live in denial. We must call a spade a spade, whether yours or not. The truth demands it.

@Nairaminted. At times i feel like crying for some of our brethren at the other end of the divide. It is extremely painful to realize that we live in a world today where people with eyes wide open walk into the gutter of falsehood to dance with the pigs that has made the mud and dirt part of its nature. As a result of an inbibed hate, lack of reason and truthfulness, every other persons that speaks contrary to their propaganda ingrained warped delusive beliefs, is tagged, ''western haters, Putin bots, Conspiracy theorist, a jealous of American life and wealth, etc; not caring to weigh the prons and cons. Now, thats how you know a brainwashed and deluded fellow, who, thinking that he knows it all, whereas has been successfully indoctrinated and become wired as such that to even comprehend and accept the most basic truth in the face of factual reality, becomes a Heculian task like WAEC.
That explain why you hear folks chorusing the derogatory mantra that Puting wants to recreate the Soviet Union, in the wake of the Crimean annexation; because a certain lying fitch called Hillary Clinton said so. But they won't care to consider the events that led to that, nor will they ever want to believe the concept of realpolitiks - the ingredients of which you and i have already mentioned.

So, shield sword, brother, and lets wait to hear further explanation they might have up their sleeves. I can't wait to hear who NATO is defending against in Romania and Poland. You never can tell. Maybe Milisonevich of then Yugoslavia is back from the dead, and Qadafi must have awoken, taken on a Baltic citizenship.

In this business, anything is possible.

Missy89:
Your questions doesn't make any sense but i will answer it anyway. US did not see Russia has the greatest threat until the Crimean crisis. In fact, there was a rest that didn't work.(I remember in 2012, when Romney called Russia the greatest geopolitical foe, he was laughed at by Obama and almost everybody) I will repeat this again. NATO is a security alliance and have the rights to put defensive shields anywhere it sees fit in NATO territory.

I dumb this question down to your friend but he did not answer. Maybe you will. If your neighbor installs an electric fence around his property, Why should it concern you if you are not trying to break into the place?

Now this are my question to you; Why is Russia worried about missile defense in another country and why would the US want to invade Russia. Give me one reason. Thank you

And you think your answer made any sense? All the same, let me reply it.

First, your thought that Russia was never seen as a threat to the US before the Crimean brouhaha, is, i must say, a puerile summation of the century. You have so soon forgotten that these were the two primary foes that fought the Cold War for decades, and what a lot of your lot blindly refuse to accept or unable to comprehend, is that, although the Cold War eventually ended, the MENTALITY never did.
Both sides are still been influenced or led by men who witnessed the Cold War, not to mention that, the conduct and political posture from both sides, under certain circumstances, suggest that the cold war only died with the implosion of the Soviet Union. It never died as an ideology or strategically.

After the SU implosion, percieving Russia weakness in 1995, the US and NATO gave Russia cause to view it as a threat when it began the first wave of its Eastern expansion, breaking its earlier promise to the contrary. Yet, this then hasn't translated fully into the political spectrum. But this was soon about to change.

The Kosovo crisis and the bombardment of Belgrade without UN authorization, further poured fuel to the already heating fire, vis the economic crisis of 98.

The last straw that broke the Camel's back - revealing US imperialism tendency and Cold War rhetorics, was when American Unilaterally withdrew from the ABM Treaty, to the ire of Rus (for what purpose? Only Missy can tell). And to add salt to injury, the missile shield right next door to them began, and has now taken shape - a cursory picture of the cold war era. ( US missiles in Turkey and Italy, Soviet/Russia missiles to Cuba) and we all knew what happened then. But now, some mendacious folks presupposes that Russia musnt worry. Hypocrisy!

The Georgian war of 2008 was another cold war era indicator, wherein the US and NATO backed and supplied Georgia as they could, Just like the Soviet to the Vietcong vs USA; USA to Afghan vs Soviet Union, during that era.

The Iraq war? Just a cause for more irritation.

Mitt Romney simply stated the truth back then in 2012, and your Obama who laughed him then, has confirmed it and proved him right by his own policies and dealings with Russia today. Karma is a bad fowl that always come home to roost.
The truth will always find its way to the surface.

What about Libya? Leave that for another day.

All of the above are facts that happened wayback before the Ukrainian antagonism you mentioned (needless to say the US provoked the crisis). And they all have one thing in common; COLD WAR MENTALITY. IT NEVER DIED, AND WILL NEVER DIE.

Let that sink in.

That is the reason both sides have been zealously trying to out perform each other in Nuclear deterence till date.

And the underlying reality in all of these, is the ughly head of REALPOLITIKS.

Similarly, the Russian threat perception is also influenced by the
Soviet past, by Russian domestic politics, and by the character of current U.S-Russian and NATO-Russian relations. Prospective and current Russian military reforms is underlined, if not endangered by continuing threat perceptions that
exaggerate Russian military weakness and by
domestic and foreign forces that play against a rational assessment of Russia's geostrategic requirements.


Now, You still have not told me what or who NATO is defending against in the East.

I will be waiting.

NairaMinted:
Oh my!

Herr Felix Baumgartner must be a frustrated, full-of-hatred-for-Amerika, Austrian troll on Putin's payroll at worst or a delusional conspiracy nutjob at best.

Must be!

You can bet on that.

Pathetic.

iamfroshsylver:
Cant wait for trump face cleaning my black ass

And thats because you like it, right?