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MotiveU:
You wicked..
In meantime watch this short video and see how to make your own hand sanitizer against coronavirus

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Tobinrobin:
Isn’t it said how no state or Federal government owned hospital in the country can boast of at least 4-5 ventilators that’s only 7Million naira? Because if they purchase them, there won’t be a need to travel to the overseas. It shows the level of rot, corruption and gross incompetence. Some of you will side with one politician, some will side with another knowing fully well both are underperforming and not even up to average. They can do better but chose to do things that only favors them. Just imagine frantic effort to create isolation Centres because of a pandemic and now regretting not having enough in place to cater for people.

If there were, some CMD would have sold them to top private hospitals or spirit them to own private hospitals.
Other will use money meant for it to sponsor girlfriends to Dubai, buy fine cars and flex.
Hope this will humble everyone.

MelesZenawi:
It more preferable that you use the Nigerian term South south than Niger delta. Niger delta consists of over 9 states in Nigeria.

That been said as I totally agree with you but the natural boundary is simply Igbo speaking areas....case closed.

It is only a fool or a problem monger that will come and be dragging another persons ethnic boundary.


Your submission is quite inorder but natural boundary remains Igbo speaking areas. That's the definition of natural boundary and not national boundary.

Well, we know Ondo for example is called 9ja Delta in crude oil speak. .
We know which states are called 9ja Delta in our Constitution.
The rest your opinion.

Africa is not ready to have multicultural, multilingual countries. If being a small but homogeneous country will avoid enemies and saboteurs within, better for each country.

AmuDimpka:
So what about us Igbo in Anioma...we should stay with you after what you did to us during the war and Bendel state ?

Did to you?
Midwest had a pact with Biafra to remain neutral. But Biafra violated that pact by invading Midwest. Okonkwo had the temerity to try pressure Oba Akenzua to offer to support Biafra. Okonkwo declared Benin Republic unilaterally.

Anioma people in Midwest cabinet fed info from SMC in Lagos to Biafra.
Midwest was the only region outside the East that had Igboid people in regional or state government.

Give me any evidence that Anioma people suffered any suspicion before these events.

In any case Asaba massacre was by FG army led by Murtala Mohammed.
A part of Eastern Nigeria left Nigeria to join Cameroon under NCNC after a referendum. Anioma can choose that option too.
But those who left 9ja to join Cameroon are suffering untold suffering even clamouring for own Republic now.

People can make own choice

macof:
You are seriously being deluded here though

That some Benin individuals settled in Warri and Lagos doesn't make these descendants Benin
For example, The Benin descendants in Lagos acknowledge their Benin ancestry because they are not Bastards and they know their history but they are Yoruba today
Don't delude yourself by counting them among the Bini ethnicity


Also I keep hearing Bini guys saying people of Accra migrated from Benin Where do you guys get that from?
What's the correlation between Bini and Ga people?

Well, I have Ghanian inlaws who have acknowledged it. Ga inlaws and friends in diaspora. As far back as 30 years ago. I was quite surprised how confidently they asserted it.
I heard Yoruba, even Ooni Ojaja has been claiming them lately.

What you do not know is that over the last few years, there has been visits to their leaders in ACCRA area tow and fro reaffirming these ties.
Benin are not noise making agbero style people. I have pics of these visits. But I won't upload here. A halfway smart person will fine some of those online. But not all.

Benin has no real slave diaspora. Only very few Benin if kidnapped traveling by slave robbers got into slavery. So you do not see Benin going to Americas looking for long lost kin. We have none. We never cosy up to those without historically links to us.

Macof in your infantile and gargantuan overestimation of yourself, you are King Solomon of our time. Everyone not dancing to your confused tune is deluded. You will be alright las las

MelesZenawi:
Your problem is emotions and you use bad words when feel defeated.

Your behaviour will even scare many who may have different reasoning.

You want to feel among and mingle with Same people but at sametime you loathe time.

Which makes my logic simple. Since you don't like anything Igbo, you are better taken care of and catered for in oduduwa Republic.

Is this also hard to take?

Benin and Delta democratically left Western Region. That has been settled. Benin cannot be in Oduduwa

I am personally an Igbo-phile person. I like their businesslike and result oriented attitude. I have said it over the years here.

Our family was one of the first to welcome Igbo back to the neighborhood after the war. Their kids that some family member helped to midwife taken to the East died in the East during the war. Upon their return those kids were mourned like they were Family.

But I believe that the poorly handled post- conflict reconciliation of Biafra war left Igbo very hurt, disgruntled and largely badly disposed towards every non-Igbo in Nigeria. Despite Igbo bravado of "we are doing better than other tribes".
Doing well economically is one thing.
The collective psyche is another.

I happen to have been with a key figure in South African post conflict reconciliation. They did a far better job in SA.

Nigeria ought to know that the war remains an albatross. Igbo should be allowed to go. Alone. No other other tribe should go with them. The Niger River as the natural boundary. Niger Delta will decide terms of co-existence.

My prayer is for oil and gas to run out soon or lose relevance. That way Oduduwa would prefer to enjoy their seaport, agric and industrial base alone.
That is the best way out in my opinion.

No wonder life is so cheap in Nigeria. So an average Nigerian cannot hope to get artificially ventilated in an emergency? Blood of Jesus!

Coro is not a joke guys. It's real.

joyfullyjoyous:
There's a plant that wards off snakes. If possible u may plant it in your compound as members of it's family may be close by.

What's name of the plant dear?

lordkay10:
In as much as I share your sentiments to curb the greed of our politicians, I believe it's the masses that will be made to pay for this shortfall in crudeoil price, to furnish the lavish lifestyle of these politicians, by imposing higher taxes on the citizenry

True. The masses will suffer at first. But it will eventually make the masses wake up. Especially if politicians start to impose high taxes.

As it stands in Nigeria, something's got to give. Leaders are not willing to make any positive changes. They are just too cosy among themselves and the massive too docile.

Either a massive catastrophe or something extraordinary needs to happen to force it

Oil needs to go to 5 Dollars a barrel. Politicians have been living beyond our collective means.

When politicians get the salaries of teachers and nurses, only dedicated ones will go into politics.

Because we won't allow them borrow our futures away from IMF and world Bank to fund their lavish lifestyle.

But currently oil is like a mango tree by the main road. Everyone is taking their undeserved share.

RIP.

MelesZenawi:
Quite delusional.

Oba of lagos, olu of warri been Benin or yoruba or any is undisputed. Never in my comments had I disputed such. I always maintain here that Benin and yorubas are same people likewise urhobo and Itshekiri....I am always fair in my submission.

For Bringing in biafra here, it is purely an anathema to have Benin in biafra. An ethnicity belonging to yorubas in biafra. We are not known for useless conquest and we respect boundaries and what people are. Benin is more of oduduwa Republic than any other thing no matter how the logic turns. Any igbo man laying claim there or by any sort is just looking for issues which nobody has ever did.

Moreover you tell ur pipe dream to an asaba man and get the greatest shock of your life and a big one. They say blood is thicker than water and not conquest of any kind.

No map has added bini to biafra rather I hv seen Benin in oduduwa map all the time.

I always separate facts from sentiments.

Dude anyone can draw any maps. Our history is well established enough. We need not add anyone.
In fact I am not even keen on Nigeria of today. But it has to be tolerated until the natural solution comes.

What has anyone to gain from claiming Asaba? Or from claiming any city? Any medal, money or what?

If I was to choose or dream up an African nation, it would be a small homogeneous country. Without the headache of tribal squabbles.
To each his tent.

But history remains history.

MelesZenawi:
Link only showed coronation but in anyway all these aren't substantiated.

History is not just something to fabricate,it is seen years by and will continue to be seen.

Today a Benin man reasons like a yoruba man and both agrees easily and understands themselves quite well same as an urhobo man....this shows age long and how history works meaning both had been in the same train and terrain for a long time while in Igbos it is purely the opposite as both never agree showing the history is more of business and conquest.

You cannot claim years of co habiting and hardly agree on any issue, that simply tells u that such relationship never existed but did on hostility.

Both explanation says it all.

I told you to scroll down clearly to see the Obi standing in front of the sitting of the then crown prince. I knew you would see coronation first that is why I said scroll down.

Regarding others, your opinion.
Anioma people live quite happily in Benin. You hardly see any difference. Until Biafra war, we hardly saw Anioma as Igboid people. They were Simply cousins.

As for the rest, your opinion.

To say Benin reason like Yoruba is funny .
Benin had several tribes in the empire. No behaviour is really strange to us. Our understanding of different tribes doesn't mean we reason alike.

Yorubas are used to central power. Being ruled by powerful monarchs. Igbo are republicans largely.

But you will see that Igbo towards the West several with Benin influence have more powerful or popular kings. Showing more centrality of power compared to the more eastern Igbo.

To show Benin difference to Igbo and Yoruba even long ago, for example while Benin banned any Benin man buying or selling slaves and no Benin man can be sold or bought, the Igbo and Yoruba and some other ethnic groups reached an agreement with the Oba to allow them sell and buy themselves.
So in that sense we have some similarity.

A French traveller and trader Mr Randolphe confirmed this in the 1700s. On his way from Benin to Ughoton Port, all the slaves and slave sellers were mostly Igbo or Yoruba. Empires give different people in it a certain autonomy.

In 1963, Oba of Benin led Midwest to break away from Western Region. Obviously Benin didn't feel joined at the hip with Yoruba even back then.

Our ways differed and still differ in some ways. But there will always be certain commonalities.

samuk:
Some of the guys here are not genuinely interested in learning what they are ignorant of, they only asked these questions not to learn but to cast doubts, their over bloated egos as being part of the so called big tribes will not allow them seek genuine history.

The history of where the Obasekis originally come from in Anioma is on the official Obaseki family website, same as the history of the various tribes that make up Anioma.

Rather than read and seek genuine history as told by the indigines themselves, you see someone from across the river Niger who hardly knows his own history arguing the history of Anioma with the indigines themselves because in their warped minds they should be able to degree anyone to become Biafra irrespective of their history.

Someone as illustrious as Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe said is ancestors were from Benin, you see a faceless person who probably has no history casting doubt on the Zik of Africa.

Anyone that seeks the history of the various tribes across the south south region of Nigeria can find most on the internet, written by the indigines themselves.

Even here on Nairaland you will see an Igbo arguing Anioma history with IKA people, you see Igbo man arguing the history of Ekpeye and Ikwere with the natives. So engaging them at times is for the benefit of those genuine seekers of history that may come across the thread.

History is nothing to be ashamed about, as great as the Benin empire was, other tribes (Ikas, Akures, Ifes, Izons, Itsekiris, Urhobos, etc) contributed and played their part and have become part of the fabric of the society. The Benins are not ashamed to acknowledge this.

Unlike any other places in Nigeria, Benin have a documented and written history spanning almost 600 years and if you add Ora history, Benin history is more than 3000 years old and you see an ignorant somebody from tribes that were lumped together in the 1900s by the British calling Benin small, Benin may be small in size now but there is no any other place in Nigeria with a bigger, richer history, the reason it's called the cradle of black civilisation.

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You are very correct.

Imagine if the Olu of Warri & Oba of Lagos did not recognise their Benin origin? Many Benin detractors would have been very happy. But rulers of two of the richest oil & corporate/business cities in Nigeria do. It's what made Oba Akiolu so unpopular among other SW Obas & people. Oba Oyekan of blessed memory also clearly recognised his Benin ancestry.

Benin origin people in Lagos, Delta, Rivers, Ondo, Bayelsa, Accra/Ghana and other places if added to those in Edo, Benin can never be called a minority tribe. This awareness has grown recently and Benin Youth are rediscovering this. In a way these people arguing without any knowledge have jolted us to see that we cannot be quiet while envious people seek to distort a great history recorded over centuries and narrated for several millenniums.

In Benin, history lives and breaths. Even in your morning greetings daily.

MelesZenawi:
Well from your submission, one thing stand out and that is the name Ewohinmwin...today Esan and it will be more understandable if we conclude that Obaseki has full ties with Esans. The rest sounds like make up of a sojourn to another land.

Benins can't be claiming Igboland when they actually reasons against same people. People that have been together for too long are known to have common understanding and struggles.

Why is this particular case difference...can you explain?

Well, I am not here to defend Obaseki's version of their history. With an upbringing surrounded by authors, historians and linguists, I am not new to stories like many people on NL. Be it Nigerian, European, American, classical history, etc,

But see the link below of Obi of Isselukwu. Scroll down on the link and see him visit the then Crown Prince Eheneden to get his blessings (as Baba was indisposed back then).

https://www.nairaland.com/3549333/23-year-old-obi-nduka

While Oba wielded influence up to Lagos, Akure, Otun in North Ekiti as boundary with Oyo Empire and yet you believe he could not do same in Anioma is beyond me. 100 years before this Ogbeide Oyoo case, an Igbo guy captured as a kid and sold into slavery, later wrote that he was an Ibo/Eboe tribe but a citizen of Benin Kingdom. He wrote extensively in London as a free slave and abolitionist. His name was Olaudah Equianoh, Any serious African curious about slave history should have read that book by now, As the first "first hand account of an African slave. But most just like to argue sentimentally than actually sitting down to read widely.

Remember too that several Obis/Deins of Agbor bore the regnal title "Gbenoba" or Gbinoba, Igbinoba. A very typical Benin name.

Benin are not dragging anything. or anybody -Just that nobody should be rewriting history just to suite the tribal population politics of today's Nigeria,.

British Royal family comes from Germany. But Germany is not dragging them. English people mostly came from Northern Germany and Denmark, Swedish Royal family is French. Nobody is dragging them. But they simply acknowledge their history as it is. Simple.

RIP ma.

MelesZenawi:
There is no motive here. The acronym you are using is recent and not in unison with the years you are calling.

Anioma is a recent cojoined words and your explanation doesn't match with the word.

So explain with time and name in line with the year you are mentioning if not then it will sound fabricated.

The year is already in my previous post.

Allegedly it was Nsukwa Kingdom/Chiefdom.

But Prince Erediauwa (who became Oba Adolor) was in exile actually in Ewohinmi, which was his mother's village. Today in Esanland. But he was also visiting areas like Isi that was under Nsukwa those days. If you know that area, all not too far from Agbor. So some accounts even say they were from Agbor.
Saying Anioma is just for convenience to let people without knowledge of the area understand the location.

What we know in Benin is that Ogbeide Oyoo came with Prince Erediauwa from Ewohinmwin/Isi/Nsukwa. His son rose from scepter bearer to Ineh (the head of palace society of chiefs who cater for the princes/princess & the queens' welfare). Ineh is also head of the Royal Guild of Bronze Casters. Through that position he made his son Agho Obaseki the playmate of the Crown prince who became Oba Ovonramwen in 1888.

A separate Palace society of chiefs, the Iweguae takes care of the Oba's personal household. Leader is Chief Esere. Yet another palace society of chiefs, the Iwebo, are Keepers of the King's Regalia & Wardrobe, This is led by Chief Uwangue.

Iwebo chiefs in imperial times used to become very wealthy. Because they were also in charge of finance/taxes, tributes from vassal lands, commerce and trade.

MelesZenawi:
Anioma is a recent acronym. Which particular place in Anioma?

Do you want to know for real education or to cast doubt? So that I can tell you the debt of detail commensurate with your motive.

This is how these women turn into bitter feminists after many abortions that were preventable. Your sexual and reproductive health is the sole responsibility of each individual.
There are affordable contraceptive options for women nowadays.
You see the set up and still straff raw with reckless abandon.
Feminists will ask why blame the girl only. Well, it's not the guy panicking now about possible pregnancy.

At 24 you should be focussing on your career. Have your own flat and tell him you cannot live lower living standard than what you currently have.

Do not begin what you cannot finish.
You obviously cannot stand all those people around him, so why worry about his not doing introduction?

gregyboy:
The grand parents were benins
The oba had appiint them to rule the anioma people obaseki had left anioma areas back to edo because life wasnt easy for him there

Story. That is Obaseki family story. Twisted possibly by chief Obaseki to persuade the British if they could make him Oba when Oba Ovonramwen was in Calabar. Claiming his ancestor was once a Benin Prince sent to rule in Anioma. Read about Obaseki's ancestor Ogbeide Oyoo and Oba Adolor.

We know the current Obas, Obis and others who were Benin Princes in Benin history. Like Eleko/Oba of Eko/Lagos, Ogiamie Olu of Warri, etc.

But Obaski's ancestors are unknown in Benin before Oba Adolor brought them from Anioma about 1848. If we know Benin Princes from 1480s and 1500s, why won't we know his " alleged princely ancestors"? If at all they were Benin, they weren't rulers anywhere. Otherwise Oba Adolor would have restored him to that Anioma throne. Because the family claim they were cheated out of that Anioma throne. Such rulers must be sent a native chalk confirming their vassal position by a every Oba of Benin. In 1818, Deji Arakale of Akure refused that chalk. He even murdered Osague, the Oba's emissary.

On Benin soldiers' advancement to Akure he fled to the Ewi of Ado-Ekiti but the Ewi promptly sent him away. All the rulers he ran to refused him. Eventually one of such rulers at Uhen instead of helping him, delivered him to the head of Benin army chief Ezomo. The Deji was promptly beheaded for his rebellion.

The man Oba Ovonramwen gave the newly created Obaseki chieftaincy title in 1888/1889 was his childhood friend. The father of this childhood friend was son of an Anioma immigrant called Osifo Oyoo, who Oba Adolor met in quasi Anioma exile while still strategizing to get his throne.

This Anioma friend followed him to Benin when he became Oba. His friend became an Omada. One of those young men who stand by the Oba bearing a sceptre called Ada.

Recognised Benin Princes do not do sceptre bearer. That first rubbishes the idea that they were known Princes appointed to rule anywhere in the empire previously.

Like any hustling immigrant Oyoo was strategizing to rise through the ranks and certainly had ambitions for his children. Making his son close to the future king was one sure way out. He made it as his son became the first Obaseki of Benin.

macof:
Well I think such ignorance is innocent and understandable. Edo and Yoruba do share immense similarities

2.
you have no option but to accommodate the diversity in Edo state because otherwise a problem will arise. Its not their fault that they are in Edo state
Maybe treat the minorities in Edo state respectfully and Nigeria can treat the minorities more as they wish.
So don't act as if you are doing them a favour

It's obvious you have a different agenda. Your own is possibly to Stoke disaffection.

My point is simple enough. Benin has and had people of different ethnicities for centuries. Many distinguished themselves and are now even part of Benin elite. Like Governor Obaseki whose great great grandfather came from Anioma.

ignis:
My Secondary school physics teacher taught me that any figure without unit is wrong. Same as my economics teacher.

Is it 1.1 million naira, 1.1 million cedis, 1.1 million dollars, 1.1 million pounds or 1.1 million biafran worth of kits?

Number of kits.

Chai! Your eye dey see only money. Oyindidi must be your friend.

macof:
this is not true. To the average Yoruba, edo is actually just "a distant Yoruba group"
No Yoruba person who grew up in Yorùbáland around Yoruba influences would think Edo are igbo

Then there are many ignorant Yoruba people who grew up in Yorubaland. I have seen many who grew up in Ibadan, Lagos and so on and refer to everybody after Ore as Igbo.

Even many Igbo believe Benin & Yoruba are virtually same. You cannot imagine the level of ignorance among the larger ethnic groups. The Yoruba do not surprise me. Most only travel within SW until Abuja became popular. Many Yoruba probably know more about Peckham & Hackney than Nigeria. Aside military, NYSC, NNPC and banking jobs that take some Yoruba outside SW, most do not go out. Those professional cadre would have mixed with many ethnic group through higher education & work anyway. But still VERY many Yoruba display outstanding ignorance.

Even Igbo that usually cross Edo State to enter SW, many still err in that regard.

In any case, having several tribes within Benin Empire was the normal thing. We didn't see it as unusual. Even today Edo State TV reads news in Igbo, Yoruba, Urhobo, Izon, etc.

But of late this accommodating attitude stemming from imperial times now seems a weakness. That will have to change. It seems everyone is now going towards tribal supremacy, nationalism, etc.

Very good one omalincha Dr.

So sad. RIP.

okorotalkative:
You get adam and eve pictures?

Nor mind them.
If the world was left to people like them, we would still have small brains, no technology just like those our ancestors.

Instead of us to consider religion a private thing and collectively buckle up to advance, they are doing what Europeans did centuries back. Hid their mediocrity under religion. Until their eyes opened.

As we speak, I cannot hear of any African nation talking of creating Corona virus vaccine. We are waiting for the same Westerners whose innovation we first lampoon. Only to rely on them later.

Greatzeus:
Na who dey help

Lol.

specimenG:
Nobody was dragged to go join him at the club.

He broke government order. We cannot blame govt every time. Yet when once in a blue moon the govt does the right thing we do not play our part.

Adakintroy2:
Notice how God quickly went to the top. Now that rationality and science is failing to find cure. Men now seek the devine.

Love to have that conversation now with those who said there is no God those atheist people lets now have that conversation

There were physicians in Jesus' time. Most people didn't rely on miracle. Plagues always existed. And man learnt from them.

Many infectious diseases that were deadly 200 years ago have either been eradicated through vaccination or now mostly treatable with medication.

If Westerners (most of whom are atheists) stood there chanting God and Jesus you won't have this social media or the device you are using now.

Anybody can believe in whatever God or not, do not force it on those who choose not to believe.
Even the Pope and Western churches, despite their dwindling flock, have stopped church service. The Vatican has even cancelled the usual Easter gathering ahead.

We blacks just use religion to become indolent.
You that are challenging others for their belief or lack of, can you use your religiosity to cure Corona Virus?

Those largely atheist Westerners will soon develop a vaccine. Science is not miracle work. It is pure hard work over time. Not from indolence disguised as piety.

A true believer uses his God given talents to impact mankind. Let your work entice others to your faith. Many you call atheists are displaying their faith through work. Faith through action and faith in action.

Happy Sunday.

lefulefu:
u dont need money to flirt.there some layabout irresponsible broke deadbeats who still change women like they change their boxers.if a man wants to be responsible he will be responsible so no be money go control the man.

Let her be talking there.
In fact those lazy ones perfect their lies and have all the time in the world to chase women.

How many really hardworking men with plans chase women? They know how women can waste both your time and money (which is money raised to power of two).
There are lazy guys who claim to work offshore for Chevron, Total, Schlumberger, Texaco, etc and appear every three weeks in town. They straff some babes who call themselves big girls.

Wetin she know? Make your own money so that you won't rush into any relationship to secure a meal ticket. Only to be sorely disappointed.