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Congrats.

But we nor dey plant flowers around us. We are all guilty of it.

jlinkd78:
The judiciary abracadabra has grown wings and ready to swallow it's creators

Judges are making a mint. Gone are those days judges used to retire poor with just a bungalow and a car to their name.

All hail 9ja! The giant of mediocrity. Bubu is working. Next level.

ReneeNuttall:
My qstn is,How do they discover these things?Cuz we were told Rhinos ,Dino's,And stygos existed millions of years ago,even though the Bible said the world started existing thousands of years ago.And these scientists were non existent then.

For all I can imagine that could be a Print of maybe a stone or an object that once landed there during a volcanic eruption.I'm just thinking out loud.

Dear we have lots of Dinosaur skeletons worldwide. There is a massive one just as you enter the British Museum in London.

My dear, even oyinbo that brought us the Bible now accept that the world is not 6,000 years old. It just cannot be.

Oyinbo translated the Bible from Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic into Latin. And much later into German, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc.

The Bible reached areas like Benin City and Delta about 500 years ago. But the religion only serious caught on much less than 200 years ago in 9ja.

I simply mean oyinbo have had about 2000 years to look at the Bible. We 9ja playing catch up want to claim we know it better?

You think people researching the earth/soil for decades can't different between the marks of falling stones on the ground from ancient animal foot prints?

It doesn't mean the Bible is wrong. Our literal interpretation of aspects of it are simply defective.

Disgraceful and sordid.

Very bad. Evil.

But what is the adoption process in Nigeria like?

What background checks do adoptive parents have to undergo?

Which govt dept ensures that adopted kids are well looked after? Do they actually do their job properly?

How do we ensure that some adoptive parents are not human traffickers?

samuk:
Most of them have no history, that is why you see a lot of distortions in their stories. How do you take stories from people who where formerly of different tribes and clans and try to make a unified history out of it without making a mess of the entire exercise.

Onitsha history is different from it's neighbouring Igbo towns, but because they have all now be lumped together as Igbo due to politic, you see someone from Owerre who hardly knows his own history arguing Onitsha history with Nnamdi Azikiwe. Similar thing you find with the Yorubas with someone from Ogbomosho arguing the history of Lagos and Lagos monarchy with the Oba of Lagos.

You have summed it up succinctly.

samuk:
Since you and your co travellers know Nnamdi Azikiwe genealogy more than the great Zik himself and all his forebears before him who passed down their history to him, it's a complete waste of time debating you guys.

But be reminded that the history of Benin Kingdom is too established for you guys to be able to distort or change it.

Various European nations had been visiting and writing independent accounts of Benin Kingdom and it's vastness since the 1400s, about 600 years ago, long before the names, Yoruba, Ibo and Igbo where coined to represent a group of villages/villagers and returned slaves for political identification.

Like Benin, Rome is just a city today confirmed to the Vatican but it will be a historical heresy to argue that it didn't once rule over almost the entire known world including Europe and part of Africa.

Throughout history, great empires and kingdoms do rise and fall and shrink in sizes.

The Obi of Onitsha doesn't only carry the Benin traditional sword, his official traditional title, Agboghidi is also a Benin title.

Agboghidi the original bearer of that name/title was a great man from Ugo town in present day Orhionmwon local government area of Edo state.

In recent edition of Ofala festival, the Benin traditional attire was fully represented by a group of Onitsha men and women who wore them.

There was no such thing as a pre colonial Igbo, what you have where villages which where mostly under the leadership of the Oba of Benin.

You guys can read the works of Olaudah Equinano if you are really interested in the true history of what is today known as Anioma and south east Igbo.

Olaudah Equiano.

Olaudah Equiano (c. 1745 – 31 March 1797), known for most of his life as Gustavus Vassa (/ˈvæsə/),[5][6] was a writer and abolitionist from, according to his memoir, the Eboe region of the Kingdom of Benin (today southern Nigeria). Enslaved as a child, he was taken to the Caribbean and sold as a slave to a Royal Navy officer. He was sold twice more but purchased his freedom in 1766.

Olaudah Equiano is believed by historians to have been a native of either the present day Anioma or present day Abia State. He wrote his book in the 1700s when there was no place called Igbo land in Nigeria, long before latterday revisionist where born.

Dude, most people who make provocative statements here are not as smart as they like to portray themselves. Due to British disingenuous machinations, the rise of big tribes by population and the skewing of historical facts make people think life was always as it is now.
Like you mentioned, independent accounts of Benin history by Europeans over nearly 600 years abound. Rome, a small settlement by the River Tiber rose to control their known world.

Aside copy and paste, one on one, most cannot verbally explain the history they claim to know here. In Benin history is woven into the unique morning greetings of each family, songs, folklore, stories, proverbs, worship, prayers, marriage, royal activities and celebration, professional guild occupations, etc.

In fact the senator is a Yaba Left escapee.

Lostz:
no one is supporting Sanusi. everyone is happy because of his role during Gej tenure

He only became Emir to shield him from being asked to prove his reckless 50 billion (later reversed) to 20 billion dollars Jonathan claim.

So both Kwakwanso & Ganduje knew Sanussi had no proof. So they hid him under the cloak of an emir.

So he did the dirty job of smearing GEJ. No wonder bullion van man relocated to Kano to ensure they could hide their false accuser in emir's gab.

Yet Zombie's still believe that lie till today.

Truth always overtakes lie.

This is "Use & Dump 101".

Sanusi, enjoy your thoroughly bitchy Karma.

Lol. Confusionist strange bedfellows.

I wonder who do 9ja strong thing like this.

Artwasdcase:
Once a red....always a red! Win or lose.....ynwa

Abi o.

In fact the goal this year is to win the league. Everything else was going to be a bonus.

amaniro:
I don't understand the blood ties between SLS and The Ado Bayero family

Late Ado Bayero was his blood uncle.
The current Emir is SLS' cousin. They also tend to marry blood cousins.

So blood uncle can also be father in law, etc.

kestolove95:
Handsome guys are not good in bed

Ojigbijigbi.

Haba! How can you know that?

You need to have sampled 100 cute and hundred not so cute guys to be statistically reliable. Or at least have questioned women who sampled 100 each from both groups.

MrBrownJay1:
sadly that was his downfall... the dude likes to party WAY TOO MUCH and everyone knew it. Neymar is doing exactly the same now, having no less than 10friends on stand by, paid to be around him and party every week.


the majority of "active" top footballers have that amount in the bank too.... but wouldnt help just about anybody. Messi is a close friend of Ronaldinho, but there are 100s or more footballers who have this amount available in the bank, no sweat!

there are many African ex footballers (let alone celebrities) who have the means..... Eto'o, Drogba etc but the main issue here is not about Africans, and all to do with football. look around you, the majority of ex football stars are broke and this has nothing to do with race

Many get their wealth too young, with little education and not very good people around them. Then personality also matters. So learn very fast and plan for tomorrow despite the factors listed above.

Why not propose life imprisonment for any power minister that fails to provide light minimum of 21 hours a day?

And a bill to subsidise solar power nko?

Na wa o.

ayzTIGER:
You are an irredeemable zombie, a grand one at that and that's the reason you think that the senate got so drunk and was talking about reviving inexistent project in the chamber.

Because of Jonathan, people cut off their noses to spite their faces.

Now this is getting really interesting. Something is in the offing.

Some chess game going on.

Gerrard59:
Ever since I followed you, you have always written extensively about the Benin Kingdom. Could you please recommend some books written on the subject (Benin Kingdom)? Someone (Victor Asemota) mentioned the book "A Short History of Benin" by Jacob Egharevba. You know a thing or two about it?

Well, "A Short History of Benin" by Jacob Egharevba is a very fine work. If for nothing else, for the fact it was the real first indigenous work on the subject by a Benin person.

However, the book has some flaws. The flaws can be traced back to its Yoruba editors. It was first published in 1933/34. You can imagine the pressure to include certain Yoruba-centric stuff as it was in Yorubaland among Yoruba people in charge of the publishing.

There are other book such as:
(1) Aisien Ekhaguosa: A History of Benin , Prince of Benin and Orhionmwon Territories. Aisien Publishers, Benin City (2001).

(2) O. Osemwegie Ero & Simon P. Owie: The Benin Monarchy & Ogiamien Connection, The Historical Facts, Mindex Publishers, Benin City (2016).
(3) Ozigbo-Esere M. N, History of Benin: Ancient and Modern, Noren Company Publishers, Benin City (2011).

All are very nice books. The fonts of Number 2 on the list are very easy to read with nice pictures.

See all them holier than thou people.

Who knows if the man is divorced or widowed or kids grown and gone?
Some relationships are not about sex but companionship.

bigtt76:
Truth be told ....SLS was imposed on the people. I recall how prominent government officials and other politicians flew to Kano prior to his announcement ...that may have contributed too

Tinubu was among those who relocated to Kano.
It was to spite Jonathan.

Now Jonathan is not in power as their public enemy anymore. Dem go dey use teeth chop themselves.

Kendroid:
I concur with your write-up. Even though it is very far from the discussion at hand.
Your kingship is hereditary, that's understandable! But it does not necessarily mean that a king who occupies the throne at a particular time cannot be dethroned, It is very possible. What I understand is not possible is installing another king when the ruling king is still alive. Hence, there can't be 2 kings in the kingdom even if the ruling king is exiled.

I see Nairaland as a means to educate and be educated. That's why I go beyond giving a simple reply. I answer questions before people even ask.
There are many silent readers here. Some are highly educated. Even researchers who sometimes contact me.
Yes any king can be dethroned.

Point is that since the king was not appointed by any govt in the first place, dethronement in practice does not exist in Benin in practice. Presentation of staff of office is a mere formality to the Benins, though in accounting with existing secular laws.

Sure, in the distant past there has been dethronement carried out by the nobles when the king became tyrannical. Even regicide.

Xisnin:
Obaseki took over.
It doesn't matter what the people think.
Dalai Lama is in exile, it will be a stretch to name him the leader of Tibet
when he has lost political power.

Obaseki was one of about 9 chiefs the British asked to manage local affairs. But was he an Oba? No. Did he sit on the throne? No. Did he even rebuild the destroyed and looted palace as his residence? No.

When King Charles the first was beheaded in 1649, Oliver Cromwell took over as Protector of the Commonwealth. But never was King of England.

That is the difference.

Kendroid:
Dethroning does not necessarily mean another must be crowned.
Once you're a king and you're forcefully taken out of your kingdom, my brother that's called dethronement!

I understand u guys are trying so hard to cover up for him Shah!

My brother, there's no cover up. The facts are known.

Benin culture is that Oba is born as a crown prince. Once Oba, he remains one, no matter what. The status of Crown Prince or Oba can only be removed by death.

Dying as a crown prince is so rare that there's even a proverb. A crown prince never dies as a crown a prince.

Therefore, to care for the royal family, over 500 years ago, the Guild of Royal Physicians and Astrologers (Ewaise) became very well established in Benin. In the 1440s. Alongside over 30 other Royal professional guilds. Compare that to the Royal College of Physicians of England founded in 1518.

When the British came to Benin in 1553, when they saw the organisation, government, city plan, level of hygiene, protective moats and ramparts and compared it with London, Paris, Lisbon, Amsterdam and Madrid, capitals of the world powers of that age, they called it Benin-City.

AfroKnight:
Don’t exaggerate na. So Igbos have no king, but obi of Onitsha is what? A class captain? Baba calm down.

Lol. It infuriates some of our Igbo cousins that Obi of Onitsha probably has some Benin ancestral links.

It has been discussed here on NL over the years.
Benin links or no Benin links, Obi of Onitsha is an immensely respected king in Nigeria. Not just due to his position but also his amiable, cosmopolitan and modern worldview.

I cannot claim to know much about Igbo people but Obi's Ofala festival in Onitsha never escapes my attention every year. He has enhanced its popularity greatly. At the end of the day, kings are custodians of culture. He's doing great promoting Igbo culture to the world. In my humble view, that's the essence of nobility and royalty backed by our current constitution, however flawed it might be..

Obi of Nri/Aguleri is another eminent King in the East. Obu Gad, the shrine of supposed Igbo progenitor, the Biblical Gad, draws tourists from Israel and worldwide. Why some Igbo people would take something of such cultural enormity with casual levity is beyond me. Just in the name of being republican?

chatinent:
All Kings are subjected to politics; even the Oba of Benin.

But the write-up left something important out. To the Benins, he was still the Oba of Benin. Only just in exile. He was never replaced on the throne. It was impossible. The crown prince only became Oba in 1914 after Oba Ovonramwen passed on in Calabar. In most other places, his brother, cousin or even his son would have yielded to the British desire to be a puppet King. Not in Benin.

BafanaBafana:
If you mean Fayemi for president, I dare say he is not a presidential material.

That's exactly the point. The North would much prefer a less aggressive, less ambitious and more pliable SW president paired with a Rottweiler Northern VP.
The North know that SW for tribal interest will eventually queue behind any SW presidential ticket.

In any case a Muslim-Muslim ticket like Tinubu/Gandollar ticket will prove problematic. Nigeria has lost too much innocence since Abiola-Kingibe days.

They want to Awoyinize him. The North learned well from the British. How to confuse, use and dump people.

Jonathan:
IMAGINE THE NONSENSE!


This is indeed an eye-opener....


Can you try this with Oba of Oyo

or

Oba of Benin?


U wan die?


North and east... no value for culture and heritage...

Alaafin Adeniran Adeyemi II was deposed in 1955 at the age of 84.

Olowo Sir Olateru Olagbegi was deposed in 1966. Though returned after 25 years when his successor Olowo Ogunoye passed away.

Both Obas had a disagreement with Obafemi Awolowo.

Oba of Benin is not selected but born a crown prince. As long as that crown prince is alive, nobody else will accept the throne. Not even another prince or his son.
When the British deposed Oba Ovonramwen in 1897, the throne remained vacant until 1914 when he passed on in exile in Calabar.

So even if any politician was crazy enough to try such, he will have at least 67% of Edo State population (the Benins) against him. He will have no government as no Benin person will remain in his government or be his appointee. That is the difference. He will have to move his governor's office to a town outside Benin people's LGAs.

APCHaram:
The guy no like Toto nah



Imagine: Emir of Toto aka Sarikin Duri

Where Nairaland get all these werey people from?

DONSMITH123:
Only if Gandollar has anything to think about the future.

Nothing last forever.

2023 is like tomorrow.

Gandollar is 70 years old. He will be 73 by 2023. What future again?
He knows he has not much else to lose. His kids and grandkids should be sorted by now.