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sotall:
You dont have to display your stupidity for all to see.
Sometimes just pretend like you have sense.

My brother, the thing na follow come.

samuk:
The future versions of these stories will not even reference Benin, we can already see it with Owo history. People just wake up and manufacture stories as histories.

I mentioned the bolded regarding Igando a few days back.

With Owo it was first moving from Benin, then moving from Ife through Benin (stayed long in Benin and moved much later) and recently it is moving directly from Ife. With Upele near Owo it was moving from Benin, then 6 families from Benin plus one from Ife joined them. The 7 families make up the kingdom. This is the current version. An Ife person needed to be snuck into the story. Don't be surprised that 20 years from now, it will be 6 families came from Ife and one from Benin and 20 years later it could be all 7 families from Ife.
You only need one so-called prof from UI, OAU or Unilag ("the Lagos-Ibadan propaganda publishers" ) to publish a few nonsense on it to provide "evidence or proof".

We that have the strongest ties to Eastern Yorubaland know the truth.

Eastern Yoruba who maintain Benin origin feel marginalised and are now claiming Ife otherwise they may be called "Omale" for being honest to themselves. Others may lose out in struggle for royal stools.

There is already a case in Ondo State in a town with 2 kings. The original king known in the place who maintains Benin origin is being called stranger by the smaller king who claims Ife. In the future, the Benin origin king's descendants may not be bold enough to claim Benin for fear of losing out due to ethnic politics. I prefer not to mention the town but Google is your friend for further information.

We can see marginalisation, politics and fear eroding history. Not everybody cares about truth or what is genuine. Many are mere politicians culturally.

What we are writing here now may not seem important but we need to because there are many silent readers and younger ones may stumble upon them decades from now.

For too long, we Edo people, confident in our history and its solidity, looked away as others were enviously chipping away at it. Granted, it is exercise in futility. We are not worried. Still we must not look away but put the record straight.

If the Benin Bronzes being returned from UK, Germany and elsewhere now were to be happening 100 years from now, there would be voodoo historians who would claim, perhaps with 80 million strong tribal population, that they originally came from Ife. I kid you not. Luckily, 1897 is still fresh enough memory,

Gregyboy
UGBE634
Samuk
Etinosa1
AutomaticMotors

duro4chang:
The reason is that I don't want unnecessary argument because most of these histories I posted here are copied and i cannot really say how true they are. If I should post igbo history that is not correct, the insult i will receive here will be too much. But if you want it, I will be posting it too.

Folks, another history about a hunter from Benin and Ife as founders of Mushin in Lagos State. Make we dey mark them o.

We nor dey follow anybody drag anything o. But if lies and envy began their journey 50 years before truth, truth will one day overtake them kia kia.

When we say Edo full everywhere, envious neighbours will say 7LGAs.

Gregyboy
UGBE634
Samuk
Etinosa
AutomaticMotors

abobote:
Ungrateful children, bringing them to the world should be a legacy, and he gave them education which gave them the audacity to express themselves arrogantly

The thing is did the children consider the legacy their grandfather left to their dad?

To problem is probably related to inheritance he didn't leave much of.

I guess the man was generous to people in general and has was even crowned with a title.

In some cultures or clans where money is way too important, the man's generosity is a crime it seems.

The man's kindness and generosity may be the legacy they don't realise. It may be their saving grace at some point in their lives.
My dad was very public spirited and kind. So was his dad. People talk about it endlessly today. Now I know the value of it.

gregyboy:
I won't have any business with it if it wasn't involving an edo monarchy in lagos

The story involves an edo monarch so I must interfere

You're trying to tint the edo monarchical history, which I don't like, I don't have issue if you do your imaginary migratory pattern with a yoruba monarch but not with the edo monarchs in yoruba lands

They migrated from only one place which is benin

The next time they will write the story, they will remove any mention of Edo/Benin.
Na their way.

UGBE634:
Urhobos has it too, Esan etc,

are you wishing away the story of the Olu awure on Oronmiyan coming to Benin alongside with Oloton and his retinue of people who are the Usen people today, they have it in their history.

Are you wishing away the family salutation of the Usen people who migrated from Ife and today they greet Delauhe. They know where their Uhe is, it is Ife. This Usen story and their family salutation supports the fact that the Oba, the family of Oloton, and people of Usen themselves migrated from Ife. Are you wishing it away.

What about the Evian and Ogie-amien family who were admistrators, who are regarded as the last Ogisos in Benin. I would seem to hold on to this account for now.

The old document did not really talk about where the Oba migrated from. I will hold on to this account for now until further notice there are overwhelming evidences to support this, I don't like to delude myself. Thebadpolitician

Evian and descendants were never "ogisos". Only administrators. Obaseki and some chiefs like Obakhavbaye and Ero administered Benin when Oba Ovonramwen was in Calabar. Obaseki was not a king o. Same with Evian and his folks after Ogiso Owodo and Esagho saga.

Nobody regards them as any ogiso at any point.

Don't buy into Aristo and supporters' fairy-tale.

As for Usen, I know the place well enough and the story. Better to just leave that one aside. The inconsistencies are like that of Oduduwa.

I wanted to draw attention of our people to Igando in Alimosho/Lagos thread about Ife hunter that first went to Benin. From Benin, he moved to Igando.

A straightforward Benin founder had to be made to first be from Ife before going to Igando. Because in Yorubaland, if you don't somehow link your ancestors to Ife, you are fake.

All Baale's and obas are manufacturing Ife links. Because 50 years from now, the descendants of those who don't claim Ife will be outmuscled by Ife/Oduduwa claimants. You know how the tussles and court cases over traditional stools can be fierce in SW.

See Igando link here below:
https://www.nairaland.com/7482734/history-igando-town-lagos#119188660

Gregyboy
UGBE634
AutomaticMotors
Etinosa1
Samuk

gregyboy:
Its only ugbe that refuse to accept the truth I guess he has something to benefit from it which he has refused to say I am thinking he is usen, to show how we have done justice to the fables of the ife and benin tales people in nairaland don't create topic about it anymore

I saw your post on the edo remittance to Nigeria it pained me I missed it, I was quite busy yesterday our edo brothers are not playing oversea

I hope one day Nigeria become a better place and so they can all come home with their knowledge to build the once mighty empire to his glory

Edo to the world, the only minority in Nigeria that looks like a major tribe

The bolded is what the British wanted. To cut us from our people East and West and make us look smaller than we are. The beneficiaries of the contraption (though all are paying the price now under herdsmen attack) continued after 1960, currently with talk of 7 LGAs.

How can people with folks in Eastern Yorubaland and Lagos, Delta, Anambra, Bayelsa, Rivers State, Benue and beyond be a minority? No, we are not. Izoduwa has correctly highlighted the point often. Sure, Edo South SZ may not be huge population wise today, but that's just recent politics.

We have always punched heavily, pre-1897 and increasing post 1897. It takes a huge amount of resilience.

FlawlessKarl:


Allahu Akbar people are not happy suicide bombers will start flying in Denmark

God punish any Africans that will try to fight for this Morocco that openly say that they're not Africans. I think they got served . I hate myself for supporting this people during their match with spain

Dudu will never learn.

One guy has been calling me names for saying the bolded above on another thread on the matter.

We Africans face worse racism from Arabs and other races daily. Make dem too see how it's like.

We blacks are OYO. Nobody will defend us except ourselves. Nor be we go fight their battle.

Na we dey attachee follow North Africans say dem be Africans. Only Ghadaffi truly felt African and that was only after other Arabs didn't embrace his views for unity.

muyico:
Loves man to man is loved
woman to woman is loved
but man to woman lust
women to men lust
21century definitions

Gay man to gay man or lesbian to lesbian love in 21st century nko?

My opinion is that anything that has to do with emotions can be very unstable.
Love is very subjective too. What is love for one person can be lust for another.

VEHINTOLAR:
Lol,I can see that you're already throwing some needless jabs at me ! You know what ? I won't stoop so low as to be having this childish display of witless back and forth with someone who is,obviously,not trained not to use slurs and demeaning words on undeserving people.
I could have ignored you but then I realised that someone has to teach you and your ilks, who are numerous on this platform,how to comport yourselves decently in a public forum like this one. You guys need to know and understand that you don't resort to insults and name callings when dealing with a subject matter that's beyond your elementary pedigree ! You can learn;we are all learners after all !

A major problem that stands out in the lives of people like you is that you think you know whereas,you know nothing ! Mr Historian with a deep sense of history,you could have written to the FIFA to exclude Morocco from the world cup on the ground of human rights abuses and inhuman treatments of these Saharwi people. Did you do that ? If you had done that Mr Methuselah,FIFA might have granted your requests and stripped the Moroccans of their qualification as you would have loved ! I know the whatever undisclosed issue you have with the Arab/Moroccans is certainly way beyond any inhuman treatments of Sharawi people.

Please,don't expect further response from me on the subject matter. Let me celebrate with the Moroccans in peace,okay ?

Enjoy your celebration.

I have had the pleasure of celebrating actual World Cup wins with adopted countries in my own time.

Good luck!

VEHINTOLAR:
What a pity,you're mixing politics with football ! You can create a thread for these "Saharawi" people,detailing whatever they are passing through and we all can contribute to that thread. You never can tell,ideas to emancipate them may even flow from here,yes from Nairaland ! But for now,we are celebrating Morocco for the historic feat they achieved at the world cup ! Don't let us use any " Saharawi" politics to deny them of their well deserved accolades !

Up Africa,up Morocco !

So you haven't realised that you cannot separate politics from anything, not even football?

The talks before Russia 2018, workers' rights and LGBT+ in Qatar currently etc? Russian athletes not allowed to participate under Russian flags in the Olympics. In 1986, led by Nigeria, over 30 countries including India, Pakistan, Ghana, Bangladesh, Jamaica, Kenya, Zimbabwe and many more boycotted the Commonwealth Games in Edinburgh due to SA Apartheid. If at all you were born then, maybe not old enough to remember.

Everything is politics and money. Everything. An average black man takes things on surface value and has a shallow sense of history. Well done with celebration.

A story always has three sides. Her version, his version and the true story.

The whole thing did not start well. The lady even cheated along the way with a wealthy guy.
Maybe the guy never truly forgave OP despite going on with the wedding.

OP, don't take the kids to the UK if you are going to be a single mum who will study and need to do part time work too.

It's not child's play. Good luck!

VEHINTOLAR:
He equally said they fought and did everything for Africa ! If you have any personal issue with the Arabs ,you can sort it out with them ! Nobody is doing any "attached" or something in this regard,Morocco is an African country and it is located within the geographical boundaries of Africa.

I will reason with you when they let black Saharawi people free and treat them like human beings.

Until they stop colonising your fellow black people, I won't see them as such. Good luck to you and Morocco.

VEHINTOLAR:
The Morrocans have already made an indelible history for themselves and have equally set records for other African nations to beat ! Though they lost to the Croatians today,but they are winners already !

Congratulations to Morroco,Africa and the Arab world !

Abeg make we nor dey do attachee.
Their manager and others said they did the Arab world Proud. Good for them. They tried.

Aurelius1:
These Moroccans don't consider themselves Africans. Their coach said their display has brought honor to the arab world.

Na we Black Africans dey fool ourselves say all of us na Africans.

Flanker:
Totally wrong , before roman empire colonize north africa , there was the berbers , the natives first inhabitant of the maghreb ( north west africa) with there kingdoms and civilisation . And these population is the same until nowdays , same as british colonization of nigeria changed language , religion .... But havn't changed the Dna of nigerians , the long list of colonizers who succeeded each other in the Maghreb ( phenicians , romans ,Byzantines, Vendals, Arabs, Spanish, Turkish, and French last ) havnt changed the dna of berbers . And for info during antiquity , africa was the name of only a region in algeria , tunisia , lybia , it was only hundred years later that the name africa , africans was generalized to the rest of the contient , so berbers are even the first original africans

And also , the definition of Arabs, includes any population that uses Arabic as its first official language , most coutries, called arab are not arabs by dna . ( North africa , middle east syrians , irak , libanon , palestine ...) the true arabs by dna are only in arabian peninsula .

Pic 1 Here on the pic a Dna study of tunisian population . You can see that they are mostly berbers by dna .
Pic 2 africa during antiquity . And first africans

Who said that there were no inhabitants in North Africa before Arabs from the Peninsula came across?

Only novices need to be reminded of Numidians and ancient Egyptians.

Today Algeria and Morocco have the largest Berber populations. Morocco is approaching 40m people and less than half identify as Berber. Algeria approaches 45m and about 10m identify as Berber. Niger and Mauritanian have more Berber people than virtually other North African countries.

What is the prevailing culture of North Africa today, black African, indigenous North African or Arabian? Did Islam come from within Africa?

I have lived in the country with the largest Arab/Muslim population in Europe. I lived, studied and worked alongside them. They do not see themselves as Africans but as Maghreb/Middle East and Arab. Agreed, a few with significant Berber heritage do feel more comfortable with Africans.

How you decide to define them politically is irrelevant. It is how they feel, act and define themselves that matter.

I would not ordinarily consider Berber of North Africa as Arabs but they feel more and more Arab/Middle East now. Political Arabism aligned with religion and culture have blurred the lines. DNA is irrelevant. Just like DNA might make the Caribbean mostly African bit don't feel African.

I had an experience in one Guarantee whatever bank in the 2001 visiting 9ja.

A transaction made nearly a month earlier from diaspora to a relative's 9ja account didn't show. Every time he went to check, same story.
So we went to the bank one Monday morning and the queue was already long.

When it finally got our turn, the guy to attend to us just turned away from us to face a female colleague, who entered behind from an inner door, exchanging banters and discussing about last weekend. Endlessly. Not minding customers at all.

I was totally furious. I yab the guy o. I yabbed him even more when he said he was a manager of sorts.

I told him that with his example as a manager for others to emulate, I feel sorry for his customers, bosses and shareholders.

I was already unhappy with the delayed transaction anyway. Many of them are very incompetent and rude. The good ones are also really very good.

These figures finally confirm what we have already said here before but some tribalists wouldn't see beyond their noses.

Now that Edo tops the list, the usual envious neighbours will be shouting prostitution.

As if narcotics and wire fraud are better than prostitution, which by the way no tribe can claim not to have.

Or as if the girls juggling 7 boyfriends alongside hook-ups to pay rent, school fees, feed, buy iPhone and wigs in Abuja, Lagos, PH, Owerri or anywhere in 9ja are any better.

Even the Lagos figures, SS and SE people at Festac and Alimosho will have a big chunk of it.

Oyo and Lagos are SW's most populated and both combined can't be less than 15m people. Yet Edo alone with about 5.5 to 6 millions roughly equals Lagos and Oyo in remittance.

It confirms what I have said before that Edo expects nothing from Nigeria as a country. Because since 1897, we already knew that any British contraption would be a fraud of a country. So Edos are positioning themselves abroad. As with immigrants typically, whatever hustle MO they used to survive initially, the next generation will be far better positioned.

The actual figures yearly should be about $20 to $25bn.

Money people send directly through friends and family travelling home are often more than official transfers.
Containers, cars, bags, boxes and others sent through courier companies by diasporans amount to a lot of money earned abroad.

EGBE634
Gregyboy
Samuk
AutomaticMotors
Etinosa1

PussyMiners:
Clown !!
Nigeria doesn't need any revolution.
It needs to breakup

Well, revolution may be needed first to achieve a breakup.

Either way, none will be peacefully achieved. There is too much money at the centre that power brokers want to keep sharing among themselves. Even simple restructuring they have refused to do.

AutomaticMotors:
I always wondered why and how some Argentine names always sound Italian .....wow! Now I understand.

As for Argentina they don't even hide their negrophobia ...Even when Nigeria played Argentina and we were proving hard to beat we all saw how erratic and mad maradonna became on the pitch, pouring all sort of racist slurs on our players..

Even after end of WW2, Argentina was a very popular destination for fleeing Nazis and Italian fascists. They had many likeminded people over there including their president, Peron. Mossad did a nice job tracking some of them down there after 1948 though.

[quote author=Samuelthemanli post=119203477][/quote]I mean 7 or 8 slots right now, not in 2026.
Although 10 out of 48 for 2026, if true, is better tan 5 out of 32 currently.

God1000:
Croatia will beat Morocco, that's what I want.

I remember supporting Morocco in their match against Spain, I was so tensed up praying for them to win throughout the game but i later got disappointed since they claim to be Arabs

Yes, they are first of all Arabs. They moved from Arabian Peninsula after end of Roman Empire, bringing Islam.
Same way we are blacks or Igbo, Edo, Yoruba, Kanuri before being Nigerian or African. Geographically Morocco may be on the African continent, racially, culturally and spiritually, they are Middle East/Arabs. Fact.

I support Moroccans because of football politics. If Morocco or indeed all African nations did well, the argument to give Africa more slots in FIFA WC would be stronger. Africa should have around 7 slots. Nigeria, Egypt and or Algeria/SA presence in Qatar 2022 would have added more African flavour.

Fact is that France, England, Dutch, Portuguese and even German teams are more African than Morocco team otherwise.

I never support Argentina due to their history with black people. It used to have one of the highest concentrations of blacks in South America around 1850s.

How could Portuguese and Spaniards fill neighbouring Brazil and other countries around like Columbia with African slaves and somehow left Argentina all white? Who worked the fields that generated so much wealth?

Today, who knows that Tango, the national Argentine dance comes from the Congolese (Kikongo) word "Ntangu" for the sun, a dance mimicking the sun's movement through the sky? I guess very few.

As blacks were either systematically eliminated or forced to flee to nearby countries, white Europeans especially Italians were shipped in from Europe. Italy didn't exist as a single country then as it is now. Bits of it were under Austrian, Spanish and other people's control or were small principalities. Emigration was attractive to Italians.

For a former Spanish colony, people don't ask why so many Argentines bear Italian surnames?

Removing politics or history from football/sports or anything is an illusion.

If not why is Russia often not allowed to participate as a nation in Olympics?

https://afropunk.com/2018/07/argentinas-black-population-has-been-systematically-erased-removed-in-whitewashing-effort/

EGBE634
Gregyboy
Samuk
AutomaticMotors
Etinosa

qtguru:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9VNCI9Xo80

But this is a Nigerian teaching Java Spring boot

I think you guys are looking for attention than coding. I will keep saying it, no short-cut keep studying o.

Nice

Fountainofyouth:
Are you saying women have the power to control the heart, mind, body, spirit, and soul of men as they see fit? Men are incapable of thinking and reasoning for themselves?

First find out from Baba Agba Adam what he went through in the garden of Eden.

The guy dey im own jeje dey kuku do mumu dey go, dey obey wetin God tell am.

Well, only God knows what Eve and the devil conjured up las las.

Na on top the matter we world people still dey since. No peace.

Akfrenzy:
I'm seeing frustration written all over this girl

Soon she'll call out SHINA'S father and accuse him of doing nothing amidst this online show of shame

Once a girl looses out in a marriage, relationship, they're hell bent in seeing u in pains and when they get disappointed, booooom they'll start wailing and dragging

Hell hath no fury than a woman............
Complete the rest.

Opportuneke:
We aren’t surprised, Royal titles are for highest bidder.

Unfortunately, politics has successfully messed up royalty!!!!

What a sacrilege!!!

Dude, not everywhere is it for sale o.

I am shocked that SOME traditional rulers confer titles during election campaign. The exact time that utmost neutrality of traditional rulers in political matters is paramount.

Last time in Gbaramatu Kingdom, Tinubu, Keyamo and virtually every dignitary, except Ghandollar, who probably declined in advance, were conferred.

Where I come from, if you like be a Head of State or former head of state, minister, governor or whatever, you might not meet the criteria whereas a humble doctor, lawyer, farmer or trader may be conferred with a title if their record of service has no controversies. It is vital that anyone conferred doesn't believe that their popularity, fame, wealth or position of power earned them the title. A former military head of state who is still alive, applied to be conferred but was denied.

The most they will get is a royal bead, no title or privileges attached to it. That is the case in Benin.

Mods, Front page.

Black man needs lots of history lessons to reset his brain.

Who and where are her descendants in Haiti or any country today?

Zonefree:
What kind of useless talk is this nau

Let dem dey yarn akuko. Talk is cheap. Na that talk we dey since 19gbirigidi.

Daayoire12345:
I sale cocoa and cassava contact me on any kind of cocoa you want 08076364601 and some other things

Where in 9ja do you sell cocoa?

Are people still going into cocoa farming currently?

Are there newer cocoa breeds that start fruiting early and at what age?

I heard that dry Cocoa beans currently sell for about N1,500 per kilo, is that true?

This Trinitario breed you put in the pictures is very beautiful but not that common. The Forastero type that is rounder and changes from green to yellow when ripe is more common in 9ja. It is also more resistant.

Thanks.

Absuchat:
Body of a man is still lying, partially decomposed in first gate Festac.

In the same Lagos they said one old baba has turned to Dubai and deserves Aso Rock as a reward?

Yungmil:
If you commit sin in PDP or any other party once u join APC your sins are forgiven--ARISSTOTLE

Past curses and ancestral bondage is just an African problem.

It doesn't exist in developed countries

Ancestors of many current Caucasian Australians were hardened criminals transferred for punishment in one God-forsaken end of the world colony. Today, descendants of those criminals boast one of the best living standards. I'm sure those criminals "chop curse tire from their victims" back then.

Fact is it is good to be good, forgive and seek forgiveness from those who have wronged you if possible. Leave the rest to God. Ancestral curses wane as long as you don't continue on the path of those ancestors that earned them the curse for their trouble.

alakhumeorobo:
Sins that doesn't have cure or the main curse is unknown are what we are talking about not malaria or is likes

150 years ago, many illnesses had no vaccines and no cure. An example is polio. We have polio victims in 9ja who are only 40 years old and had their parents had the awareness or means to vaccinate them, they won't be paralysed today.
Some cancers can now be treated if caught early and organ transplants now save lots of lives. So are new surgical techniques. Of course not everyone can be saved or cured.

A sinner who vaccinated all his kids against polio and a righteous man who didn't have kids sharing same classroom, lick the same fan milk ice cream during break and exposed to same polio risk.

So the righteous man's unvaccinated kid who caught polio (incurable) is due to sin?

A very wicked man (may be a serial killer yet to be caught) who gets kidney transplant in Toronto survives to live for another 20 years and raise his kids. The pious lady in Ede, Afikpo, Orlu, Chibok or Katsina-Ala is left to die. Na sin cause am?

Abeg, make una dey think deep.

It is good to be good, psychologically we all benefit from being good. To then say that all serious illnesses is due to sin is to totally misunderstand what religious books actually say.

I understand that most people have not studied the Bible well enough. But still.

Simple truth is that "All have sinned and fall short of the glory God". Romans 3:23. We rely on God's grace.