chester23:
Covid 19, NMA, ASUU, NUT: Hypocrisy or Genuine Concern.

I have keenly followed reactions from these three key unions over phased reopening of schools. I must confess my surprise at NMA and ASUU. Both are umbrella bodies to medical doctors and scientists and University teachers, respectively.

These bodies, as obtains in other climes, under covid 19 saga should be coordinating laboratory researches  in collaboration  with government and reporting developments to the public.

NMA in particular has not lived up to expectations in Nigeria in relation to covid 19 response. I ask again where are our medical scientists? How many functional laboratories exist in the universities?

Daily we hear of research reports from John Hopkins University laboratory, Oxford University laboratory, Washington University laboratory, South African universities laboratories, universities in China laboratories, etc.

What is happening in UNN, Uniben, UniIbadan, Unical, Unilag and the other universities in Nigeria? Do they have functional laboratories? What of government medical centres? What, indeed, is happening?

ASUU has being on strike! Is ASUU's rejection of phased reopening of schools part of strike strategy? Or is the body expressing genuine concern? In what ways has the union contributed in the fight against Covid 19?

Tanzania, Guinea, South Africa, Cameroun, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Uganda, etc, are back in School. Many countries in Europe even China are also back. What's their secret? Can't we learn from them on the issue of control?

It is not possible to keep schools under lock and key for ever. So what NMA and ASUU owe the public is solutions on how to check Covid 19, which is what other countries are doing, and not protest and resistance. Unions do not exist only to fight the government, but most importantly to offer informed solutions.

I went to one of the markets the other day and watched as large numbers  of buyers mingled around. I have contacted friends in other states and the report is the same in markets across the country..

The school environment is far better than the market environment! Control is relatively far easier in the school environment. I stand to be corrected.

Covid 19 has, generally, shown us that we have a long way to go in our system of governance and in our health care sector. It has shown us that our medical schools are not functional in the true sense.

Covid 19 has shown that our politicians are insensitive and disconnected from reality. They continued to draw millions while locking others down. Worst of all, the palliatives have largely remained invisible.

I am sure some well Meaning Doctors and Professors would want to Make Research on the Virus ,But they can't.
There is No Fund anywhere.
Our Laboratories are Nothing to Write home About. Even to Function as a Routine Lab is Hard Much less Using them for Research.

The Government does not Care. All they do is to Sit down and Embezzle all that is Left in our Treasury and wait for the US, Europe and China to come up with a Solution.

I pity Us

Yustash001:
I thought it's called Science Laboratory Technology in polytechnic and Medical Laboratory Science in University...

No.
SLT is offered both in the university and polytechnic.
It is Under Faculty of Sciences.

MLS is offered only in the University.
It is under College of Medicine/Health sciences.

As for the OP's brother,He should Continue with SLT.
SLT is not bad at all,They are professionals that are Licenced.
If he is so interested in Chemistry Let him specialize in Bio/Chemistry under SLT.

Biochemistry is not worth it at all. Except he will continue to Postgraduate Sha....

Forgness:


If you read my comment well, you will see that I do not say medicine is bad. But these days, lab technicians live better than doctors in my opinion. You need to check it out well. Doctors are suffering in Nigeria too and the economy is bad. The point is do any course and be deligent. That's all. Better you get your degree in 4 years and start navigating than wait 7 years doing medicine. Still, medicine can be rewarding after 7 years. But my point is that it is not a golden course. Your brain is the golden key. Be book smart while in school, but be street smart afterward.

I get your point now.

imonisweet:


But wait ooo
Is my eyes paining me or what
Somebody has B.Tech in Biochemistry?
Abeg I need the name of that school

Technology Universities Offer B.Tech.
Like FUTO,FUTA,FUTMINNA

Polchiz:

Everybody didn't do "gabbage in gabbage out" as you stated. People who are not educated produce pure water (simple distillation technique is all that is needed) and yoghurt consumed by Nigerians. We even import tooth pick.
Most interestingly, graduate trainee jobs in banks and many multinationals are open to all university graduates with 2.1 regardless of your course of study.
Also, research institutes, NAFDAC do employ graduate biochemists but it mainly man-know-man thing.
With 2.1, M. SC & PhD in Biochemistry, you are certain of good career in lecturing and research both locally and internationally.
Finally, the creme-del-la-creme of Biochemistry career is the manufacturing industry such as Nestle, P&G, Nigerian Breweries, International breweries, Guinness, Coca Cola, PZ etc. They don't employ much and their recruitment is very competitive but a management position there is highly lucrative. You start to earn what an MBBS graduate can only dream of.
If you are connected, DPR and NNPC employ biochemistry graduates as environmentalist and quality control officers.
The problem really is that Nigeria produce more graduates that the labour market can absorb. Everybody wants to go to school and get a good job by fire by force.
I have heared of a doctor who earns 33k in a private hospital and another who is yet to get a good job for 5 years.
No course guarantees job anymore. Many pharmacists are sales representatives (glorified drivers) in pharmaceutical industries. I know nurses that earn 20k in private hospitals.
Many Chemical & Petroleum Engineers are teaching chemistry in private schools with salary of 15k-25k.
I have read the lamentations of graduate doctors here who are struggling to get a place for housemanship for 2 years.

When people talk about how Useful a course is,Most times,they Mean can I Apply/work/Practice this course.

If Nigeria is Developed as a country, I won't even Consider Medicals at all.but we are Here.

Everything is to Prepare,Graduate With a good Result First, Work Hard and Pray.
God will always Favour his own.

Polchiz:

Nothing goes for nothing.
1. You spend 8-10 years to become a doctor and you consider yourself lucky if you get employed in government hospital and earn around 200k. You need to study more to grow in your career.
2. B. SC Biochemistry + NYSC = 5 years (You can land a good job at this stage that pays 200k+). M. SC- 2 years (you qualify for lecturing position and management trainee position in multinationals if you are good) and PhD 3- years (you are now unstoppable, flying in every dimensions in your career).
There is no almighty formular or short cut for greatness. Pay the price and become great.

What you calculated for Biochemistry is not always the case.

Polchiz:

If you have the right knowledge, you can not be unemployed.
Many medical doctors are unemployed

Is it not Gabbage in,Gabbage out

We have Underemployed and Unemployed Health Practitioners but you can't compare them to thousands and thousands of Biochemistry and other Related Graduates out there.
Medicals, Most times ,usually have a Headstart.

kikero:


The thing is, no University in Nigeria is properly funded.

Which is the point I am making. I'm not defending unn or excusing anyone.

Education is expensive. Government has to face that fact now, or private universities will surpass government ones in the next decade.

FG will do Nothing.
Private Universities will surely Surpass Government universities.
The Best Universities in the world are private. Infact the best of Most things are private. Though you pay through your Nose,but you will get what you paid for.
Education is Very Expensive.
What the Government does in Nigeria is to Give the poor Masses a Mediocre Education while their children are either in a standard private University in Nigeria or are schooling Abroad.

FG know what to do. Unfortunately,they can't do it because an Average Nigerian cannot Afford it.

kikero:


School fees for UNN this year is N70000-77000 per annum. Which in dollar terms translates to less than $200 per annum.

School fees for covenant university is N857,000-N1million.

And you are expecting UNN to look nice on scanty school fees. Compared with Covenant which is charging high fees to begin with.

Let's be honest. Universities are EXPENSIVE. Yes, it was built with palm oil money. Now, how does the school get money to maintain what was built with palm oil money

The money you spend on buying a car is not the same as the money you will spend maintaining it.

Either UNN students pay higher fees, or we take more LOANS.

It is not an Excuse.
UNN is One of the Most funded FG University in Nigeria.
They should either Manage their Funds well,Complete Unfinished Building projects,Seek for Intervention Funds from Other sectors and Of course they have one of the Strongest Alumni in Nigeria.

So it's not an Excuse.

Forgness:
I cut across almost 5 different specializations entirely which include maths, logic, reasoning, science and art. Why don't people get it? It doesn't matter what you study for your first degree. Just get any degree and move on. Life is filled with mysteries and puzzles. Just be a problem solver. That is all. Gush!

For example, if I had to choose between medicine and microbiology, I would choose the later. Doctors spend too much time learning robotic commands while biologists move straight into the lab and come out with innovations. There are more award winners and recognized biologists than doctors. Not saying medicine is not good but just my opinion. While doctor follow robotics instructions on treating the same ailments, biologists find solutions to recent ailments. So, doctors rely on biologists to come out with what they are going to adopt. Yet, Nigerian parents think medicine is more honorable than microbiology. But of course, surgeons and specialists are innovators toom But damn! It is a long journey. You gat the passion, go for it.

Check this out: BSc Microbiology, MSc Genetics, and PhD in deep genetic relating research...like finding more solutions to aging. Oh science is saying old age will be regarded as a disease by the year 2050. Lol

Hope you know some Doctors still go straight to Research After MBBS by Obtaining their MSc and PhD.
Parents still allow their children to study Medicine/Health Courses because there is at least an Assurance of starting up quickly.

Polchiz:

I studied Biochemistry and I'm gainfully employed. Almost everybody in the same line of career in my company studied Biochemistry and we earn more than doctors.

Out of Thousands of Biochemistry Graduates out there....

Do you know why Medicine/Health Courses are still good? It's because they have Low Unemployment Rate.

Una dn start again, Make una Leave UNN alone na

There is no Excuse to Justify why infrastructures in the School is not at par with other Universities.
I am still disappointed really,but i will still choose the School 1000 times over any Govt School.

MuhMubRaj:


Philosophy is course for wise People

Our country dn wise ?

godstino:
what are you saying? Do you know that Nursing, physiotherapy, med lab and the likes are under basic medical sciences?

Not in all Schools Sha...
In my school,all those courses are under Faculty of Health Sciences.

Hahahaha Naija

There are some Faculties they need to Shut down Sha....
Sciences that is almost Useless in Nigeria con Pack almost 70% of Faculties in Nigerian tertiary Institutions.

Study whatever you can study( STEM courses Sha),Look For a way to Leave this country simple.

sugah:
Our parents generation were fooled to believe you have to give your child an English name (after a saint) for the child to be baptized especially in the Catholic Church and I think it's still the case in Nigeria
I was willing to do a first name: native (father's tribe) middle name: native(mothers tribe) and an English baptizimal name but I was informed he didn't need an 'english name's so I dropped it.

I have an English middle name and when foreign colleagues ask if they can call me by it..I always tell them no. If I can pronounce your name, you can pronounce mine too. And I make sure they pronounce it properly no matter how long it take us

Hahahaha
I removed my English name Entirely.
I am an Igbo boy any day anytime. Arinze is my name.if you can't call me that,well, sorry

Yampotatocarrot:


Waoh, what the hell happened to UNN. Is the VC that desperate?

We are all Surprised.
Lets see how it will play out.
Heard one of the Student that was admitted into LAW sued JAMB for changing his course.

Yampotatocarrot:


Looooooooooooooooooool, I'm telling you. You actually believe UNN will admit that number into medicine? I doubt it, they don't even admit that number into Combined Biological Sciences

But they did admit that Number.
Until complains started. They had to start changing people's courses from Medicine to other Courses/dept.

SegFault:

I got 245 without reading. So what's your point.

Without Reading my Ass
My point is that you didn't pass well.

mannyiyke:
You're the only person that said it the way it is. It's not others who tried to lie. However, there are some exceptions to what you said. In NAUTH, Nnewi you mentioned, doctors are still the clinical heads, while Medical laboratory scientists are the technical heads. I did my master's in the medical microbiology and parasitology department of NAUTH. I know Prof. Akujobi, Prof. F.E. Emele, Prof. Nneka Agbakoba and one other woman professor in Medical laboratory science at Okofia, Nnewi. They all taught me. Akujobi is the only medical doctor among them, and she's a consultant clinical microbiologist. During that time, she was the clinical head, while a medical laboratory scientist was the technical head.

As I have said earlier, I'm a medical student in a state university. Besides, you may not be interested in bearing doctor, but medical laboratory scientists have been agitating for MLSC.D. One thing I like about you is that you said the truth. Medical laboratory science is good. I even wanted to do AIMLS (that 2-year conversion programme for graduates of biological sciences) after my NYSC, but due to the problem in Jos then, I refused to do it. Jos and Ahmadu Bello University Teaching Hospital did the programme last, before MLSCN stopped it. Four of my coursemates did that 2-year programme, and are now practising medical laboratory scientists. I also did my industrial training in a medical laboratory science department of a teaching hospital, during my first degree, but I heard that MLSCN had stopped undergraduates of biological sciences from doing industrial training in medical laboratory science departments. I also saw then that the HOD through whom I sent my application said that he would send it to another person to approve. It was later that I discovered that the ones he sent it to were the CMAC and the clinical head. He was the technical head. So, I have great respect for medical laboratory science. Most of them here think I'm denigrating their professions. That's not my mission. I just wanted to speak the truth about them.

I used to denigrate dentistry until I discovered it's not what I thought. I began to praise the maxillofacial surgeons, oral pathologists, prosthodontists and consultants in oral medicine when I saw their giant strides. I saw what the maxillofacial surgeons did and are still doing to help children born with cleft lip and palate, and Nigerians suffering from ameloblastoma. I was surprised to discover that dentistry is very deep like that. Before I speak about any course, I must make in-depth findings about it. Every course is good, my brother. What I hate is distortion of facts. I'll not discuss this topic again because of you. You're good.

We are good bro.
The truth is that i know about all these things and More before i chose MLS.
So i am not Regretting anything one bit.
I have My personal Opinon about what is Happening in the Health Sector.

I support the MLS.D Not because of the Doctor Attached to it but because of its Robust Curriculum and More.
Personally, I don't Support Consultancy for Other Health professional until they are able to get their own Postgraduate College to specially Train these Professionals.

But i cannot Clap For you when you Rubbish my Profession Okay

Most people in Medicine/Dentistry Feel others are inferior in knowledge etal.
I Told my Med Friends,if they Dust in Pathology i will take JAMB and Start Dentistry.
"I told them i will only listen to them when they come back as Pathologists" because they were not able to grab enough of it.

Students should Learn to know/Research what a Particular course could Offer.Its Limitations, Potentials,Advantages within and outside Nigeria,before Enrolling. So they don't end up Disappointed and frustrated.
We are in the Information age.....

Last Last just Make a Name for yourself, No Matter the course you Studied.

mannyiyke:
I didn't say that general pathologists don't read and interpret oral biopsy slides. I said that they're not good at it. They're mainly trained to read and interpret biopsy samples from other parts of the body. However, there are general pathologists who subspecialized as head and neck pathologists. But in the strict sense, oral pathologists are the main pathologists duly qualified to read and interpret oral biopsy slides, because he or she sees numerous oral biopsy samples more than general pathologists, and experience is the best teacher.

If a general pathologist does the work of an oral pathologist, why then did the Nigerian Army sponsor a dentist who is a lieutenant colonel to do a residency in oral pathology at UNTH Enugu? Stop saying what you're not sure of. Medicine needs accuracy, not guess work. That's why oral pathologists are trained to read and interpret oral biopsy slides, so as to avoid incorrect diagnoses.

Every secondary healthcare facility in Nigeria has a dental clinic. Let me ask you: have you seen neurosurgery, neurology, ophthalmology, obstetrics and gynaecology, paediatrics, urology, etc in primary tier government hospitals in Nigeria? They don't have those departments there. It's just a general medical practitioner that works there, and refers difficult cases to secondary and tertiary tier hospitals. Even neurology, neurosurgery, urology, and most times Opthalmology departments are not found in secondary tier hospitals. They're mainly domiciled in tertiary tier hospitals. On the contrary, all the general hospitals in Nigeria (which are secondary tier government hospitals) have dental clinics. It's then advanced in tertiary tier hospitals.

General pathologists are seriously involved in other parts of the body, and are not conversant with the oral and maxillofacial region. They do autopsy, receive samples from paediatrics, urology, O and G, neurosurgery, neurology, general surgery etc. So, it's not even wise to allow them to touch the oral region, to avoid confusion and misdiagnosis.

It's still the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria and the West African Medical College which regulate postgraduate medical education, that thought it wise to have both of them. So, you don't know better than they do.

A medical laboratory scientist is not a pathologist, and therefore, he or she cannot own a pathology lab. And no medical laboratory scientist knows how to read and interpret biopsy slides or even interpret radiographs. Making histopathology laboratory test diagnosis is much more than that. The pathologist has to combine medical history, radiographs, etc, with the reading and interpretation of biopsy slides. These guide him or her to deliver an accurate diagnosis. So, it's ignorant of you to think that. They're only employed as technologists in pathology laboratories.

I believe you are talking in the Nigerian Context because in the UK MLSt Read slides(Those with Advance Training oh).

mannyiyke:
They're branches of pathology, of which medical laboratory science was created to help those pathologists in each of those branches of pathology. Medical laboratory scientists are technologists to pathologists. They used to be called technologists until the name was modified to medical laboratory science, while the diploma course is still called medical laboratory technology.

Before, the highest qualification attained by medical laboratory scientists (or medical laboratory technologists then) was diploma (Higher National Diploma - HND), and that's why they bore medical laboratory technologists then. So, it can still be called medical laboratory technology, because like Nigerian pharmacists, they changed the name without improving their education.

Abroad some people still call them medical laboratory technologists. The diploma ones are now called medical laboratory technicians. They head those units as technical heads. That shows they're still technologists. You're not an insider. So, you lack this information.

What you said is the truth except the Fact that there was no Improvement in Education and the curriculum.
Lets not start our own...
You know MLS Is always the Doctor's Headache

mannyiyke:
You lack facts. Didn't you see that it's oral pathologists that head that oral pathology laboratory of the University of Port Harcourt Teaching Hospital, while a medical laboratory scientist serves as a technologist there? Go to teaching hospitals and ask them who are the main (clinical) heads of medical laboratory science departments there. It's even the medical laboratory scientists that will show you the medical doctors who are the heads. A medical laboratory scientist is just a technical head.

Laboratory medicine (or pathology specifically) supersedes medical laboratory science. Histopathology, haematology, chemical pathology, clinical microbiology and immunology are all branches of pathology or laboratory medicine, not medical laboratory science.


Medical laboratory scientists are technologists. That's why their head is called a technical head, while medical doctors are the clinical heads. They used to bear medical laboratory technologists before.

In as Much as i understand your point,MLS is still part of Laboratory Medicine/Pathology.
MLS is coming from the Technical Angle while Doctors Come from the Clincal Angle.
I know because i have Seen it.
Nothing Supersedes the other. I am Judging from international Practice.
Remember in the UK both pass through Royal college of Pathology or the US with ASCP.
Forget about the politics in Nigeria.

In the US, PhD Medical Laboratory Scientist and Pathologist is at Par,but when Clincal skill is Needed,the Pathologist should take over especially in the Hospital Settings.i give it to them.
UNIZIK Teaching Hospital have MLSt as their HOD....So its not Always the Pathologist that are HODs of Pathology Lab.
With time everything will Normalize.
I am not Against Doctors and Never will be.
If i am interested in being Called a "doctor" i would have changed to Dentistry

Let's stop this Comparison

BSF:


Because he knows what you do not know about KWASU, especially in that field and corresponding derivates.

He/she will Change institution..
Just saying......

SegFault:
Is it not the same jamb that I only knew three questions in chemistry, about fourteen in physics, twenty in mathematics, a lot in English and still got 245 rubbish. JAMB na scam, hustle and leave this nonsense place for a better country, last last you gas still drop for lecturers before they give you admission and after. Mtccheew

Common JAMB you no Fit pass.. how you wn Fare for white Man Land?

No Mind me Jare

Make una forget this Tribal Whatever joor...

So JAMB wn Tell us Say our Medical Champions no do well for UTME??
Na only Engineering Full Here.

Oboy e dn do for una oh

@Manny, because Those in Health Sciences Except Physiotherapy do not Offer All Basic Medical Science Courses Doesn't Mean They don't offer them in other Schools.

All Medical Courses Offer Same throughout...

Last Last, e dn do abeg.

mannyiyke:
And who told you that 218 was the aggregate? Stop confusing yourself. The aggregate was 245, and I know someone who got into pharmacy with an aggregate of 240 then. So, stop saying what you don't know. Stop quoting 218 as if it's the aggregate. Somebody got 190 in UTME and got 320 in post-utme. He's a medical student today. It's the aggregate that matters. Even an aggregate of 190 can get crop science in Uniben. Uniben doesn't calculate an aggregate based on UTME alone. So, stop basing admission on UTME alone. Besides, some students of pharmacy wanted medicine, but they didn't do well in UTME. So, it's not a lie. Instead of persevering to get a better score next time, they threw in the towel. When they graduated, some of them chose to study medicine again, while some became Johesuites.

I didn't type rubbish. I'm already a clinical student, and I'll graduate in no distant time. There's nothing like if I can. That's not my portion. Besides, I did my youth service in a pharmacy. So, I got most of my information from there. I had a lot of business encounters with medical sales reps then. So, I know what I'm saying about pharmacy. Those sales reps can only make it if they work hard, just like bank marketers. And there's no multinational pharmaceutical company that pays such huge amounts of money you reeled out. It's only in the oil and ICT sectors that such an amount of money is paid. Also, the guy you quoted stated that he has a private business, and at the same time working as a sales reps for 3 pharmaceutical companies. That shows he had put in a lot of years and hustle into the business.

Most pharmacists aren't good business men and women. From the experience I garnered when I did my youth service in a pharmacy, most of the pharmaceutical shops in Maiduguri then were owned by non-pharmacists who passed through apprenticeship. I've made a similar observation elsewhere too. And those pharmacists I know are eager to be employed in government hospitals. So, your comments here are not a reflection of the real life situations I've seen.

Moreover, pharmacy education in Nigeria isn't that practical. The hands-on experience is only got through those pharmaceutical production companies. It's the fault of the government. It's a systemic failure that cuts across every course in Nigerian public universities. So, government's neglect led to that, especially pharmacy that is supposed to be mainly practical. Therefore, most pharmacy graduates in Nigeria are not equipped practically after graduation. In fact, medical sales reps jobs are a sort of denigration for pharmacists. It's supposed to be a marketers' job. I don't blame them sha, because if they can't get the real job probably due to lack of competence, they should make do with sales reps. They get to make a lot of money from it based on hardwork. However, non-pharmacists are also medical sales reps. So, we have to tell ourselves the truth, instead of hy orping pharmacy in Nigeria.

On a Very sincere Note, i agree with you.

TheRealProphet:
Better than UNN
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Hahahahahaha
You wicked

Hunt27:
Lol...you think so?

Watch and see.

sassysure:

I'm coming from a different angle. Don't wanna go further that's why I ended it that way

Its nice to make your point clear.

ursullalinda:
Most parents are not even ready to send their children to school.......a lot of children can't take precautions

Those in Tertiary Institutions can't take precautions??

Well i know school will not Open until Elites' children are all back to school in the US, UK e. t.c