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ChinenyeN:
Yeah, I'm familiar with how other groups are addressed by other Igbo. That's not my problem though. They aren't my group. As for the bolded, I think we've discussed this and I agreed with you. I've also more or less always known such.
People like EzeUche, except, unlike EzeUche, they take their contempt to the next level. Like this lady, Anne Norom on Facebook, who seems to not mind making such statements. Here's one of her Facebook statuses: "THE IGBO NATION FOR NOW I THINK IS CURSED. HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY THE EVILS IN THE SOCEITY END UP THERE OR ARE MAGNIFIED IN THAT NATION? MY FRIEND WAS KIDNAPPED SINCE SUNDAY APRIL 11, 2010. THE NGWA CLAN ESPECIALLY IN ABIA STATE SHOULD BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. IF THE PEOPLE OF IGBOLAND DO NOT REPENT AND ATONE FOR ALL THE ATTROCITIES IN THAT LAND, BLOODSHED ;THERE WILL BE NO MEANINGFUL DEVELOPMENT." (verbatim).

Then there are some who have explicitly stated such to my face, and meant it. At first I didn't know what to make of it, until I started putting my head into Igbo politics and Nigeria.

Like you said other groups yabs do not concern you.I just want to let you know that it exists.

As for severity of the yabs(which seems to be the reason why to put that facebook quote)
i am sorry to say this but is she going to wipe out the whole ngwas   i mean seriuously  .You take such people seriously .

Look ignorant people will always make inflammatory statements.

They said it to your face,what about my moms side in which you hear things like'if you see a snake and and mbaise man kill the snake first'?


Has that changed my perception to things

If you are thinking about what other people might think about the message because it is on facebook well people will always think what they want to think.

As for Ezeuche Aro people look at what an ARTICLE was written about them


http://ohuzo..com/2009/03/aro-undermined-igbo.html

ChinenyeN:
Maybe you neglected my initial response to FACE. I'm interested in hearing what he has to say. After all, Umuahia and Ngwa do more than just share borders. I was only just making it clear that he should not expect me to readily accept anything he says at face value, and he should know that I am not ignorant of my people. Stop making this more than it is.

Lastly, if I am defensive (which, as of late I have been developing that nature), it is because of the slew of comments I hear almost daily, regarding Ngwa as well as the opposition of people like you towards how I identify. So, pray tell, why I musn't get defensive, when I am increasingly faced with negativity and derogatory remarks about, and because of Ngwa? Please, do explain to me why I musn't reaffirm my [already strong] loyalty, if even Igbo people themselves [of whom my loyalty is rather loose] are saying that Ngwa should be annihilated? Please, in all honesty, do you seriously believe that I, as a seriously loyal Ngwa, would sit back and allow people to continue talking in such a manner? Do think about it Udezue, and then maybe you would see my rational (even though, I'm still sure you would never agree to it, but at least it will be evident).

Regarding insecurities, maybe I'm not the one with insecurities, here. It's evident that my identity upsets you, so much. Why though? Is it because it doesn't conform to/with the pan-Igbo agenda? Why should that be a problem? I'm more than sure you pan-Igbo-ists, and the rest of Igbo don't even need me, or the Ngwa. So what now? Why does my identity upset you so much?

You think ngwa people are the only subgroups of igbos that derogatory remarks are directed at?

Do you know about other groups?

Do you know of what they say of my maternal side(mbaise) and my father's side(obowo)?

Have you seen one the reasons why i said they way you grew up affects they way u see these things.

Who is saying that Ngwas should be eliminated 

Kobojunkie:
And how exactly am I decieving myself? Let me guess, you are going to refute that by claiming to have me all figured out( my history, life etc) and then conclude I am lying somewhere in this ?

It is getting old @Asha80. If you are not here to actually contribute why not just BUTT OFF already? Isn't it clear to you by now that your antics are not going to keep me away from these issues?

My friend go and sit down.You know nothing about it.

The thread is about 'Igbo and leadership problems' not stereotype of the subgroups within themselves.

Keep displaying your ignorance.Nobody is stopping that.

Kobojunkie:
Because I am who I am and knowledge is not BEYOND me, even in this.

keep deceiviing urself.

and moreover you are helping to derail the thread.

Kobojunkie:
But did @Sleezy lie in his admission there? YES OR NO .

How would you know if it is the truth?

sjeezy8:
I kinda see him as an American really even with his think Nigerian accent. I see him as an African American.

but good for him and black americans.
FUK him and his bros tho

Why

He made corruption fashionable

FACE:
Now, I am confused. What has your journey to PH have to do with your claim that you travelled all the way to Calabar to catch a flight because there was no "help desk" in Owerri and you couldn't be bothered with asking Mama Chi-Chi.

If you went to PH from Owerri, why did you not catch a flight from there rather than going to Calabar ? If you lived in Owerri like you claimed, you know that your "phantom" 3-4 hours drive to PH was not the norm but was caused by something major.

I have a spider named Old-John, he seems to have lost the ability to spin a web could you give him a hand ?

When you are in a hole, stop digging. Don't even push that travel time argument.

@ Chinenye, little things make or mar the credibility of ones position in an argument. One of these days when I have some time on my hand, I will puncture most of your postulates on the Ngwa (we share boundries with you). Just you wait.

This might be explosive

Most of us first heard of Nigerian entrepreneur Kase Lawal when he was featured in Black Enterprise magazine in 2002. His company, Camac topped their prestigious list of America’s top 100 black-owned firms in 2002.
Its been a few years since that but Camac and Kase have kept up the pace. CNN African Voices interviews Mr. Lawal and delves into his trajectory, he shares the story of how he built his company and the non-profit activities that he is currently involved in, specifically promoting entrepreneurship among Nigerian youth. Definitely an interesting feature.

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Z0jO-lx5-DI[/flash]

FACE:
Abagworo, Kobojunkie makes up stories as she goes along just to score points, but lies beget more lies, leading to a web of lies, which eventually snares the web designer (liar)

She has never lived in any of those areas. Go back a few pages and you would see all her contradictions.

1. She lived in Owerri and she did not know that there was an airport in Owerri (because there was no "information centre" in Owerri as if she expected Owerri to be an office with a help desk) and she had to go all the way to Calabar (3-4 hours trip) to catch a flight, when PH airport was less than an hour drive from Owerri ? Curious that someone that lived in those areas would not know the proximity of those areas to eachother.

2. Same person also claimed that there were direct flights to Calabar from ATL and when caught she claimed that she had flown to Calabar from ATL, albeit a detoured flight which is no news.

3. Could go on but it may turn out to be like an epistle.

If she were an object of trade, she would have CAVEAT EMPTOR written all over her on all visible sides.

^^^^ Take Ezeuche seriously at your own peril.

People get time for unecessary argurements.

[quote author=onye_ngbu link=topic=445416.msg6067310#msg6067310 date=1274376773]I wasnt arguing all in line with someone else's claim. I was correcting your notion.
Sometimes, i wonder how you arrive at your conclusions.
Lagos is what it is today because of Federal government not because their governors performed better than eastern governors.

Apart from Lagos tell me any other state in the west that you will surely say that the governor has outperformed eastern ones.

Like I said, I am not towing anyone's line of argument but I really need to correct the notion that igbo governors are performing less than their counterparts.

For the records, I dont buy the argument that Igbos are not in the east ONLY because of infrastructure. Some people are there because of that and you can as well find other igbo people in many hellhole of a place just because they make ends meet there.[/quote]That is why i said this.

asha 80:
Even if igboland turns to london tomorrow igbos will always migrate.An igbo person staying in a 'developed place' but is not 'meeting up' in life is will not relax there and not explore somewhere else hence a move to a 'less developed' place.

ezeagu:
I agree with Kobojunkie, Igbo people are really silly and brainless when it comes to things like this, I don't give any sympathy for any Igbo that loses anything while in known hostile lands. There's no excuse, except to brag about living in distant lands, for living in Kaduna.

True talk sha.I have met some guys who say that living in kano is good for them

Just to make a clarification here.

Even if igboland turns to london tomorrow igbos will always migrate.An igbo person staying in a 'developed place' but is not 'meeting up' in life is will not relax there and not explore somewhere else hence a move to a 'less developed' place.


As for someone that said that nigerians love nigeria that is just self delusion because most nigerians are only interested in what they can get in nigeria and not how well the country develops because we are yet to get an agreement on how the country should be run.

Competition for ignorance here is high.

Ghana’s hostility to Nigerian business


Editorial May 19, 2010 ON Monday, May 10, 2010, the Africa Independent Television (AIT) ran a feature on how a hostile policy put in place by the government of the Republic of Ghana has led to the closure of Nigerian businesses in that country.
Shops were seen placed under lock and key, while their owners were sitting, idly, outside hoping against hope that something would happen to change the minds of their host government. But from all indications, nothing like that is likely to happen.


As soon as he received the mandate of his people, President John Atta-Mills prodded the Chief Executive Officer of the Ghana Investment Protection Council (GIPC), Mr George Aboagye, to swing into action and strictly implement the GIPC Act of 1994, which demands that any foreign business based in Ghana must pay $300,000 or 48 million Naira into the coffers of the GIPC before it is allowed to open shop or continue to operate.


Way back in 2007, Nigerian businesses in Ghana were closed down as a result of this law. There are indications that the Act is being upgraded to ensure that only foreign businesses that have not less than one million US$ will be allowed to operate in Ghana. Ghana has decided to press ahead with this rather atrocious regulation in spite of the ECOWAS Protocol on Free Trade and efforts by the West African regional body to move its member states towards economic unification.

Ghana decided to impose this protectionist measure in line with popular agitations among indigenous business owners, who feel that the influx of people from highly populous countries of the world, such as Nigeria, China and India are crowding them out of competition. A recent forum Aboagye had with Ghanaian business owners in Kumasi focused on ways of protecting the local entrepreneurs from their foreign counterparts and keeping the foreigners under strict control.


From their online responses, it is clear that Ghanaians are hugely in support of the measure. They have obviously not forgotten how they were shabbily treated when they flocked to Nigeria when the Ghanaian economy collapsed in the 1970’s and early 1980’s. In the name of getting rid of “illegal aliens”, Ghanaians were bundled into lorries and shipped across the borders by the Alhaji Shehu Shagari’s government in 1981.


Bags made from a tough polyethylene fabric were derisively named: Ghana-Must-Go, a term that rankles with Ghanaians who retort: Nigeria-Must-Die.

It is clear that relations between the two former sister countries have changed for the worse. In those days, Ghana was like an offshore territory of Nigeria, and people from both countries freely came, settled and went. Those Nigerian traders who are now marooned in Ghana went there in that old spirit of regarding Ghana as a friendly nation of Nigeria across the West Coast.

From the way Ghanaians are booing Nigerians in their country, it will not surprise anyone if, like in South Africa, we begin to see gangs of organised youths perpetrating violence against foreigners, especially Nigerians.

We must allow incidents like these to teach us a thing or two about the need to repair our own country and encourage our fleeing people to come back and join the effort to rebuild Nigeria. We should also come to terms with the fact that every country is defying globalisation and taking steps to protect their own citizens.

Nigeria is still a country where foreigners, such as Chinese, Indians, Lebanese, people of the Sahara and Sahelian region and even Ghanaians freely come and settle and carry on their economic activities without much regulation. In fact, in some parts of the country, Lebanese and other Arabs are far more welcome and are more at home than Nigerians from other parts of Nigeria.


Nigerians are hunted both in their country and abroad, and the Nigerian government is not concerned in the least. This is no longer acceptable. The presidency and the National Assembly must wake up and act to protect the interests and well being of Nigerians and encourage our people to stay in Nigeria and actualise the Nigerian dream.


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/05/19/ghana%e2%80%99s-hostility-to-nigerian-business/

Ignorance is not bliss Kobojunkie.Couple of flights in and out of Owerri each month?God have mercy!

bawomolo:
he is better than that.

Really?I guess you have not gotten into that type of argurement with him.The only difference is that he may just be subtle about it.

Me thinks he just made that statement to bait the likes of mekusxxx.Which on the long encourages the nonsense.

why are people suprised at sefago's comment

Goodluck jonathan igbo?

Well you hear news everyday.

Just like the case of Genevieve Nnaji and Atiku.It started with rumor.People will tell till you till date say Atiku arrange am with all confidence now.Non of them came to deny it so people now say it is true.However who saw them actually in action

I think he is an aspirant.

asha 80:
Cocaine smuggling politician arrested
By Okechukwu Nnodim


May 17, 2010 10:48PM
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An Edo State House of Assembly 2011 aspirant, Eme Zuru Ayortor, 52, has been apprehended by the National Drug Law Enforcement Agency (NDLEA), for attempting to smuggle 2.12kg cocaine in his stomach.

Trying to raise money for election to make more money.

Cocaine smuggling politician arrested
By Okechukwu Nnodim


May 17, 2010 10:48PM
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An Edo State House of Assembly 2011 aspirant, Eme Zuru Ayortor, 52, has been apprehended by the National Drug Law Enforcement Agency (NDLEA), for attempting to smuggle 2.12kg cocaine in his stomach.

The suspect, who is a pharmacist, was nabbed at the screening area for passengers at the Murtala Mohammed International Airport (MMIA), Lagos, while trying to board a Lufthansa flight to Frankfurt.

Mitchell Ofoyeju, spokesperson for the anti-narcotics agency, disclosed that the politician is one of the high profile suspects nabbed by the NDLEA at the airport in recent times.

“After undergoing observation, the pharmacist-turned-politician excreted 100 pieces of powdery substance that tested positive to cocaine, weighing 2.12kg. The quantity also makes him the highest drug ingesting suspect since January 2010,” he said.

ChinenyeN:
Ok, Asha, I see what you're saying and it makes sense to me. It also compliments what I've been stating here on NL, about myself. So this means you, unlike some others, get where I'm coming from. So then, why are those others finding it difficult to understand? I stated it simply, and you simply picked up on it and understood it. Why then don't they get it?

Oh well they are like me in upbringing so unless someone thinks deep they might not understand where u are coming from and why you view yourself in a different manner.

The truth is that your mindset is like that of our parents in the town i grew up in.However we as the kids have a slightly different mindset on this issue.

Kobojunkie:
I was referring to the list of towns you had earlier The akara lady happened to have lived most of her life in Aba; I know that cause she happened to have mentioned that bit of information during her yap session!
You know what? I am not even going to try to debate this one with you, because I don’t think it is worth getting into with YOU. What is the title of this thread?

You are free to think whatever you like.

I have told ChinenyeN why i said what i said.I am awaiting his reply.

Kobojunkie:
On the issue of evidence, are you saying ONLY akara sellers could do such? Illiterates from iboland, living in ibo townships are not to be considered when considering issues that regard ibos in Iboland?

The illiteracy comment is a side comment.When talking about igbo townships there are some i am emphasizing on.Ihiala,Okigwe,Abiriba and even my hometown Avutu in Obowo can be considerd as townships but they do not belong to the category that i am talking about.

Kobojunkie:
If you think it is normal for the media to always mention, what village and LGA you are from every time your name is mentioned in the news, that is ok by me!

It is normal.And do not tell me it does not happen in lagos(where i am staying at the moment).Even in those funny soft sell City people magazine type publication you always see things like Ijebu born businessman,Ile Ife Indegene,Lagos big boy of Egba extraction.

Kobojunkie:
I never said they do not go on to have relationships with people from outside their LGAS. I simply stated that it does come up and is of importance to many out there.

And it only igbos that do that abi?

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I am talking about people brought up in the very same towns you mention above, many of them educated in colleges in the East as well. . There is no avoiding the fact there is a great tendency of even the educated in this group to first consider what village/LGA a person is from before deciding if a relationship, be it business or casual, is worth exploring. Even the news media puts some emphasis in making sure people know where persons are really from, even though these people do not live there, or possibly have not been there in a while. I found that CREEPY!

I remember an Akara woman asking me where I was from. When I told her, she decided just for that to give me more akara . . . . lol . I was like I should learn to lie more often. I had been listening in on a row she was having with a customer who was in line before me, during which she revealed, rather boastfully, where she was from in her attempt to insult the man for supposedly being from a group lesser on the ladder than hers. ROFLMAO!!

Which was the akara woman born and brought up in?You are using an akara woman as evidence

Does she look like someone that was brought up in the places i am talking about or someone that came there She also soundes like an illiterate to me

So you think if the media in the east talks about me they will not say i am from Obowo even naming my home town How does that change my outlook

As for relationship i have no idea what you are saying since some of these guys i am taliking about seem to be marrying people outside there lgas.

Kobojunkie:
From my experience, I would say few people did that. I will go as far as to say that Ibos raised outside of iboland, with reduced exposure to the division and differences within iboland, have a higher propensity to be more accepting of others, regardless of village, or ethnicity. Just felt to throw that in there!

Well this is another scenario  to look at because they also grew up in nigeria abi?There is a reason why the 'igbo identity' sharpened when the different subgroups of igbo( who hitherto saw themselves differently) started migrating to other parts in nigeria when the railways were established in the country.

Also when i talk about people in my scenario i mean people born and brouth up in 'cosmopolitan igbo' towns and cities like Owerri,Enugu,Aba,Onitsha,Umuahia and not places like Ihiala,Mbaise and Obosi that are homogenous in nature.

Kobojunkie:
How many make up this MOST group?

From experience substantial