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Christianity EtcRe: Can God Create A Rock That He Can Not Move? Debunking Omnipotence by AtheistD(m): 3:56pm On Aug 14, 2012
MacDaddy01: lol...some are just hrt because their sky-daddy's abilities are being debunked
I wouldn't go that far but it would be safer for them if they didn't risk their faith by looking too closely at such things.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jehovah Of Christians The Same Being As The Allah Of Islam? by AtheistD(m): 3:51pm On Aug 14, 2012
[quote author=E_monkey]That doesn't make sense. If they believe we worship the same God then they have to also believe that Muhammed is a prophet of God abecause he promoted the worship of that God.[/quo

Not necessarily, it is possible to both believe in the same god but believe different things about the same god. Even Christian beliefs differ between denomination. There are some things that are standard across all branches of Christianity. This is known as a canonical belief. There also standardised beliefs across the Abrahamic faiths. These mostly relate to Noah, and pre Noah.
Christianity EtcRe: Can God Create A Rock That He Can Not Move? Debunking Omnipotence by AtheistD(m): 3:44pm On Aug 14, 2012
MacDaddy01: What is wrong with you? This arrogance will get you nowhere fast!

What hole are you talking about?


The statements here are quite logical. Omnipotence is a paradox.


You just come here and say that the question is stupid. You people have serious problems.
They didn't even try to discuss my paradoxes mentioned related to omnipotency. shocked
Christianity EtcRe: Where Do People Go When They Die? by AtheistD(m): 3:29pm On Aug 14, 2012
I belive that when people die, they are dead. There is no afterlife, no spirits, no reincsrnation, heaven, hell or other afterlife residence. We should make the most of our lives because when we aredead, we are dead.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jehovah Of Christians The Same Being As The Allah Of Islam? by AtheistD(m): 3:22pm On Aug 14, 2012
E_monkey: ^For your information, some of your fellow Christians do not regard Jesus as the son of God. Does that mean they are worshipping a different God from yours?
And all that violence you attribute to Muslims are only committed by a misguided few. Islam actually forbids the senseless killing of innocents, believe it or not.

Help me tell these self deluding Christians
Most Christians already know this (I assume). The real question they have is whther or not The prophet Muhammad is a true prophet of God. I belive the answer is no according to Christianity.
Christianity EtcRe: Do Witches Really Convene At Night To Suck Blood? by AtheistD(m): 3:16pm On Aug 14, 2012
Delafruita: no proof.but i have witnessed confessions of a witch who admitted such and many other stuff
Confessions alone are not enough... Afterall if someone confessed to being Christ reborn would you believe them. We need solid proof.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jehovah Of Christians The Same Being As The Allah Of Islam? by AtheistD(m): 2:58pm On Aug 14, 2012
styca: I read some where that all religion leads to the same God, well i"m wondering what's the mindset of people both Christians and Muslims when the pray do they have the same idea of God or do they think Him to be different?
And if they think Him to be the same, Why the atrocities committed in the name of pleasing Him?

I don't know well what do you think?
No. Not all religions have the same god. The god you refer to is the God of Abraham. This the God worshipped by Jews, Christians and Muslims. That is why these faiths are referred tocas the Abrahamic faiths.
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Really Tell Pastors To Buy Private Jets. by AtheistD(m): 2:52pm On Aug 14, 2012
jookco: There is nothing in the World like our Lord Jesus Christ, but I have a problem trying to figure out how God tell prophets and Pastors to buy Private Jet worth of 25 million dollars for themselves in a country like Nigeria where some members of the Church lives with less than one dollar a day, but another question I ask my self each time this question bugs my mind is " can a prophet or pastor of that high respected level lie?" , but I know that Jesus Christ humbled himself and because of his humility God gave him a name high than every other name, and when the founder of the Church is dying God also ask them to hand it over to their wife of son or daughter , I mean can all this be true?, people receive intimidating teaching that prevents them from asking common questions like this, people feel maybe thunder will just strike them down if dare speak negative of the prophet or pastor but nevertheless we need to the know the truth.

Jesus for live.
All people must be judged by their actions. If it looks wrong, it is wrong. A man of God is no better than a sinner if he himself commits such atrocities. Look up the pope and the crusades to understand the dangers of not holding people accountable for their actions.
Christianity EtcRe: Can God Create A Rock That He Can Not Move? Debunking Omnipotence by AtheistD(m): 2:42pm On Aug 14, 2012
Mr_Anony: Wrong. Immediately you say that something is "more omnipotent" than another, then you have created a limit for one of the deities therefore one of the deities is not omnipotent. Something that is limitless is simply limitless. It is absurd to say that something is a limited limitless entity
We have two types of limitless systems.
A) A limitless system which is a limited system that has limits beyond our capability to define. This makes it limitless until we define its limits
B) A truly limitless system whereby there is truly no limit. This is better expressed in the ideology of an omnipotent deity.

A truly limitless sytem can NEVER exist because the act of no limits creates paradoxes to prove that a limit must exist. The paradoxes themselves are technically the ultimate limits of the system.

Take for instance God as omnipotent, the limits to God's omnipotency are as thus:

1. God can create anything but God cannot create a being greater than himself
2. God cannot create and indestructible object but God can destroy evrrything. God cannot destroy an object He created to be indestructible to himself ensuring a paradox. Either He cannot create it or He cannot destroy it.
3. God cannot destroy Himself.

As some of the examples show, there are already limits on the limitless. This is all theoretical of course :-)
Christianity EtcRe: Can God Create A Rock That He Can Not Move? Debunking Omnipotence by AtheistD(m): 2:23pm On Aug 14, 2012
MacDaddy01: I see.

I wonder why people then bother with what is beyond our comprehension.
Because that is how we learn. A system with no known limits can still be worked with and understood. A whole branch of maths has been developed to work with limitless sytems and draw up rules on how to define the limitless. I think it is known ss the infinity series. It involves working with infinity.

In regards to religion, if i was to time travel to ad 00, I might be considered a deity based on my technological advancement. Who knows where we will be in another 2000 years?
Christianity EtcRe: Can God Create A Rock That He Can Not Move? Debunking Omnipotence by AtheistD(m): 2:07pm On Aug 14, 2012
MacDaddy01: Omnipotence can hardly have limits given its definition. However, I agree with you.
If we said omnipotence was limitless due to the fact that we could not measure or ascertain the limits then we could draw conclusions. Say for instance the omnipotence is i, we could say deity a with an omnipotency of i is greater than another deity b with an omnipotency of y by an amount known as x:

This is of course not true omnipotency however one could argue that if it is beyond our measuring or comprehension it is omnipotent.
Christianity EtcRe: Can God Create A Rock That He Can Not Move? Debunking Omnipotence by AtheistD(m): 1:49pm On Aug 14, 2012
MacDaddy01: To all the non-sequiturs put forward by Anony and Sweetnecta


1) Omnipotent is defined as ability to do all things

2) God is defined as a creator and omnipotent in religions

3) The point is that an omnipotent God can not exist because omnipotence is a paradox and a self-contradictory concept.

Two examples are highlighted here;


3a) Omnipotence means the ability to do anything. However, that means there is nothing you are unable to do. Is God unable to die? But God has the ability of immortality!

3b) Can God create a rock that he can not move? If he can, the he is not omnipotent to move the rock. If he cant, then he is unable to create the rock.



You can call your God anything but the moment you call him "omnipotent" he ceases to exist because omnipotence is self-contradictory!
Paradoxes are specifically science and msths based phenomena. They can be applied anywhere. The real paradox is assuming the omnipotence to be limitless. If there were limits to the omnipotence then we could compare certain aspects and avoid paradoxes. These paradoxes exist throughout religion. The idea of a god in itself is a paradox.
PoliticsRe: Racism At Its Peak by AtheistD(m): 12:47am On Jul 05, 2012
This is standard with most races, cultures, tribes etc. The way most tribes in Nigeria discriminate against other tribes hints a xenophobic tendency amomgst them.
PoliticsRe: Audio Of $3M Conversation Between Lawan & Otedola (Part 2) by AtheistD(m): 9:49am On Jul 04, 2012
PeeDaVinci: both otedola and farouk shold be locked up.
given the information in the public domain at the moment, this is what i believe to be the sequence of events that took place :

- otedola stole some oil subsidy money from FG (this is probably not based on his unsubsidized diesel imports )
- farouk implicated otedola in their initial oil subsidy report
- either farouk demanded for bribe or otedola initiated the move to pay bribe and 3 million dollar amount was agreed on
- otedola never wanted to pay the full 3 million from outset, and set out to record their transaction/meetings
- farouk collected part payment (bills whose numbers are known), settled the necessary lawmakers and then removed otedola's name
- farouk then demanded for the balance, and otedola was playing him and maybe later told him he would not pay him
- farouk threatened to re-include otedola's name in the report
- otedola went to the SSS friend to help him deal with lawan, providing them with his recordings, and he was fast enough to make the first move by releasing the bribery info into public domain
- otedola doctored/removed some of his recordings to make himself appear innocent and goes to the court of public sympathy which is ripened with hatred for the lawmakers
- police knows that to sucessfully prosecute lawan, they have to prosecute otedola too and they do not want to do tha
All your main points highligt the fact that the subsidy report is a farcical document with as much credibility as the authors. It would be better if a new, independent report was done by an auditor like KPMG and the results made public prior to investigation. But that will never happen.
ComputersRe: Is Dragstock.com A SCAM? by AtheistD(m): 9:19am On Jul 04, 2012
inereunwa1: @op dragstock is scam on the first of feb. 2012 i ordered a laptop $100 LR from them they didnt ship the laptop, and i contacted their customer care they didn't reply me uptil now. So stay clear its a SCAM be warned!!
What was the laptop spec?
PoliticsRe: Another Bomb Blast In Wuse 2, Abuja? by AtheistD(m): 10:55pm On Jul 03, 2012
justdream: HOW COULD IT CAUSE SOO MUCH DAMAGE TO WINDOWS AND NO DEATH TOLL? ANYBODY YOU KNOW AROUND THERE?
I am currently staying nearby. No casualties.
PoliticsRe: Bomb Blast In Wuse Abuja by AtheistD(m): 10:09pm On Jul 03, 2012
Yes, i heard a blast too. Apparently it was near the Bannex plaza.
PoliticsRe: Another Bomb Blast In Wuse 2, Abuja? by AtheistD(m): 9:52pm On Jul 03, 2012
Fortissimo: Heard Bannex Plaza, Wuse 2. Not sure if that's the same place.
It is outside Banex. I can hear loads of sirens. Apparently the car blew in the middle of the road. Casualty list might be low.
PoliticsRe: Another Bomb Blast In Wuse 2, Abuja? by AtheistD(m): 9:45pm On Jul 03, 2012
I heard it was a supermarket called "park and shop"
PoliticsRe: Another Bomb Blast In Wuse 2, Abuja? by AtheistD(m): 9:37pm On Jul 03, 2012
I heard something too. It sounded like a bomb blast.
EducationRe: Southwestern University Finally Out - In God We Trust !!! by AtheistD(m): 10:52am On Jul 03, 2012
No engineering?? They should invest in engineering courses.
PoliticsRe: Lawan Bribery Video To Be Shown On National TV ! by AtheistD(m): 9:20am On Jul 03, 2012
Spirit of Okija: I feel you (No homo)..

However, I dont think another hearing is appropiate.. Time to call in top auditing firms like KPMG and Alexander Forbes to find out the truth..
My thoughts exactly. However KPMG did an audit a year back. The report was quickly shelved by the powers that be. It highlighted all this fraud and more.

The problem is once the report is done it will be passed on to the Federal Govt, most likely Diezani. Then we will never get to hear about it.
PoliticsRe: Lawan Bribery Video To Be Shown On National TV ! by AtheistD(m): 9:06am On Jul 03, 2012
Ileke-IdI:
They said they had digital video, now they want to give us telephone chat (audio video) ?

BS!!

Me and my mom's vice sounds 90% alike, I can't believe that poo telephone chat jor.


And why did it take them this long? Dem don find pesin wey go play Lawan? Awon oloshi, e no go better for all these demons in power.
I knew you wouldnt grin. Dont worry, the video will soon be out wink
BusinessRe: Kerosene Fraud: Depot Owners Buy At N41, Sell At N125 by AtheistD(m):
This was in the probe rwport by Farouk Lawan. He mentioned the fraud, refused to mention or indict the companies (they are roughly 6 to 7 companies who are part of IPMAn and MOMAN). He also stopped short of asking the companies to refund the money. The total amount collected on subsidy for kerosene wss roughly 300 billion.

So what did he do? He recommended the same companies now be the only importers of PMS etc. And people wonder why the country has problems. Hoe can you reward thieves while blaming innocent companies.

This kerosene situation was clear evidence that Farouk was bribed to leave companies names out of his report.
PoliticsRe: Faroukgate: Police Uncover Fresh $10m Bribe by AtheistD(m): 3:19pm On Jul 02, 2012
Ileke-IdI:
Believe me, I'm making no excuse for the man, if he's guilty then he's guilty.

They claimed that there's a video, but no videos are being brought up. Nobody wants to cooperate with the police investigation. It all seems like "whose words against who", everything buffered up with bias.

The whereabouts of the money is unknown.

With dead ends, no tangible evidence, and he-says-I-say-They-say, do they simply expect us to accused a man who might possibly not be guilty?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6FNriFP5_M

Above is the audio. The video is soon to follow. grin wink tongue
PoliticsRe: New PIB Resolves Controversy Over Fiscal Regime, Gas Pricing by AtheistD(m): 3:21pm On Jul 01, 2012
Where is the bill in its entirety. Until i see it in its entirety i wont draw any conclusions. These soundbites are to deceive by throwing bits of info at us. I bet we never get to see the full bill in its entirety. undecided
PoliticsRe: Faroukgate: Police Uncover Fresh $10m Bribe by AtheistD(m): 2:39pm On Jun 29, 2012
Ileke-IdI:
He agreed to collecting the money as evidence, which he, as he claimed, turned in to another official.

All these are talks, no evidence. No video, just "I did" "He did" "We did".
huh shocked

He took the money, removed Zenon from the list. The so called officials he handed it to are denying he gave it to them. Logic would dictate that he was lying. The reports coming out are that some major companies were excluded from his report but are now being exposed as being major players in this fraud. How come he never higlighted them in his so called report? kPMG did an audit a year ago, where the hell is that? What was in it?

Have you read the subsidy probe report by the House of Rep in its entirety? We need to be patient and smart in following this. A lot is about to be unearthed.
PoliticsRe: Faroukgate: Police Uncover Fresh $10m Bribe by AtheistD(m): 2:06pm On Jun 29, 2012
Ileke-IdI:
Plz post the "recording" that you saw here.

PDP is trying everything in its power to bring this man down. . . . while the case EFCC vs Patience was swept under the carpet.
Farouk has agreed to taking the money so what are you talking about? Open your eyes.

This is a much greater scandal.
PoliticsRe: Faroukgate: Police Uncover Fresh $10m Bribe by AtheistD(m): 1:50pm On Jun 29, 2012
If Otedola had not recorded Farouk Lawan, would most people know what went down in the PSF scheme and NNPC in general?

How many companies would have escaped after bribing?
How many innocent companies would have been made to carry the blame for everything?
the real culprits would have escaped (Diezani, Ibikunle, Reginald Stanley).

We need to open our eyes more to things, investigate further, understand what goes on in the industry. There is no rush to get results. We need to get the right results.

In the UK, the hacking scandal took 4 years to come to light. In that time the scope of the hacking and involvement has been exposed for all to see.
ComputersRe: Google Unveils Nexus 7 Android Tablet by AtheistD(m): 9:12pm On Jun 27, 2012
tessyade: This is not bad o but someone has to buy,use and testify of its efficiency before i can think of buying. Like they say 'once bitten twice shy.'
Once bitten? Which tablet bit you grin
ComputersRe: Google Unveils Nexus 7 Android Tablet by AtheistD(m): 9:10pm On Jun 27, 2012
musKeeto: Still need a convincing reason to get a tab.. my galaxy s2 does everything almost perfectly....
Bigger screen? wink
PoliticsRe: FG Uncovers Overpayment Of N430bn To Fuel Marketers by AtheistD(m): 10:44am On Jun 27, 2012
bayooooooo: What really happened to 2011 subsidy funds? I am just wondering why not 2009 or 2010?
Why 2011?

2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011,
2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011,
2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011,
2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011,

Subsidy funds were used to finance 2011 elections.
A lot of the 2011 figures were for previous years. They owed some marketers as far back as 2009 and still have not paid. Right now the 2012 expenditure has been back payments to marketers owed. Add interest and of course other costs and you will see that the figure will be much higher than initially predicted. If they do a probe next year they will ignore all of that and claim that all that money was paid to the marketers in "shubshidy scam". Did anyone notice that a lot of companies have still not been paid? If they are still awaiting payment then how come the report claims that they all need to refund the money?

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