₦airaland Forum

Phagyrhe:
RwandAir
Kenya Airways
Air Namibia

These are small African countries with efficient airways providing jobs for the citizens and forex for their countries.

Let's even assume we want to look up the number of air travellers in and out of Nigeria, if you combine number of air travellers in these three countries, they won't still match the number of air travellers in Nigeria. Cheers!

All the above airlines mentioned are all being subsidized by the government. They are providing jobs but at what cost to the country?

Phagyrhe:
Yes, it does. Permit me to explain this in brief.

The Nigerian Airways is a Nigerian offshoot company. Like every national carrier across the globe, the government is solely responsible for its set up. However, in order to stay efficient and free from government bottlenecks, willing investors who will manage its daily affairs like a private entity are needed. You don't expect a foreign company to set up a company that represent the Nigerian brand for us.

This is a whole lot of rubbish.
The government says its will own only 5% of the company, which means its basically a private airline.
National carriers are either fully government owned or majorly government owned.

PassingShot:
The $300m is the required start-up - that is surely 100% of money required at start-up.

The 2nd fact is that government is investing maximum of 5% in the project. Does it make sense that the govt will pay 100% initial capital and pay 5% of subsequent running capital?

From all you have read, does $300m (which was clearly stated is the initial required capital) represent 5% of initial capital? If it does, then the initial capital will be $6bn.

Does it make sense that the person who owns 5% of an airline is the one negotiating with aircraft manufacturers?

I wonder how people who claim to be educated can believe this when you can try it in your house to know if it's true or not.

doctorkush:
so you all sat down and called a fully charged phone till it drains....
what do you take us for kids you tell tales by the moonlight

You can imagine the lie....

Rossikki:
But WHY?

I see no reason why the govt should crush competition. The more airlines we have the better. It will help to drive down prices, and lead to improved services brought about by competition. This is a country of 200 million people. We cannot just have one airline.

You still don't understand, the government owns those Airlines, so which competition are they crushing?

Arik already operates the New York route.

Make Nigeria condusive for business and they will come.

Nobody has complained about the railways the government is building because that makes economic sense, a National carrier, no.

Rossikki:
Arik and Aero are private enterprises. What makes you think the govt can just wake up and order them to merge into a national airline? The way some of you reason is just weird. Are we Stalinist Russia or what?

Arik and Aero are owned by the government via AMCON. As at today they are not private. If the government was serious about setting up an airline, they would have started from there.

Rossikki:
I see nothing strange about the arrangement. Why should the government not invest funds in building up the airline? It shows serious intent, and it will attract investors. They are putting their money where their mouth is.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHY ARE YOU PRAYING FOR THE PROJECT TO FAIL? That is the question. You have NOT answered that question. I am not really here to discuss the modalities of the arrangement.

If you are praying for it to fail, then you are a MINUS for the country.

Nobody is praying for it to fail, but we've been down this route before. Remember virgin Nigeria?
Like I said earlier, the government already owns Aero and Arik, if they were serious about an airline, they would have merged the operations of the two and started business. $50M would take Arik and Aero very far.

Rossikki:
Ethiopian Airlines was developed and nurtured AT THE VERY SAME TIME that country was enduring starvation, drought, war, terrorism, and underdevelopment. Look at Ethiopian Airlines today. They can stand side by side with any airline in the world, incliuding British Airways, Lufthansa, Swissair, Air France, Emirates, among others.

Why? They believed in themselves, despite all impediments.

Lesson: You never ever underestimate your capabilities, or curtail your ambitions as a nation and as a people, based on current or past circumstances.

The Nigerian People already own Arik and Aero, if the government was serious, they would have merged the two into one airline.

The government says its not going to own more than 5% of the airline yet it's negotiating with aircraft manufacturers.
The government says it would own not more than 5% yet it is going to drop $300M for take off?
The airline is supposed to start in December, nobody knows the other investors in July.

If it looks like bs, sounds like bs, then ........

Why is always Dino they are shooting?

BlackMbakara1:
Let them run their own thing while FG does it's own.

You want FG to carry their liability after their directors have bought houses with loaned money?

Besides FG has only 5% in the JV, so worry less...

1) FG is already carrying their liability via AMCON.
2) FG says it will only have 5% yet drop $300M?

BlackMbakara1:
FG can negotiate, it doesn't matter...

Aero and Arik, have they closed shops?

Aero and Arik and currently owned by AMCON(FG) so if the FG was serious about a National Carrier and not a political stunt, they would have combined the two airlines, invited the so called investor with 95% to inject the funds, technical know how and boom you have an air line with planes already flying.

BlackMbakara1:
If it's driven by the private sector just like FG said, then it will not fail.

Bad belle madam...

Its driven by the private sector yet the FG is the one negotiating for planes?
Aero, Arik are also private sector led but what happened to them?

The national carrier project is just a feel good ego boosting project. Nobody has asked why Arik and Aero failed but they want to start a new one.

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Eggcelent:
Good Idea.

Simply Stated, It's A Good Idea. However, It Needs More Critical Thinking If It Will Work

Its a terrible idea. The idea is so bad BMB should be disqualified from partaking in an election (as a candidate or voter).

1) How do you stop foreigners from voting?
2) How would stop under aged kids?
3) How would you stop multiple votes from people with multiple phones?
4) How would stop people in Lagos voting for a senator in Enugu state?

Ben Murray should stop talking/tweeting. He's beginning to tell the world how low his IQ is.

TheArticleNG:
What he meant is that, the Croatian President entered the private space of her country's players, can a male president do same thing in a female locker room? Without people whining.

She didn't just walk in, the players would have been told she was coming.
She's President of her country and would know the protocol.

Abbeybailey:
You have a point but Arik is not a good airline because I flew with them from JFK to MMA and I can tell you that it's not a good airline.

I agree Arik is terrible but there's the option of rebranding. This airline business looks more like a political decision rather than a business decision.

Abbeybailey:
It's doable unless if you think less of your country.
You can chew and walk at the same time. Anyway, it's your opinion and I think it can help but you guys probably know more about Nigeria than i do.

The government says they are going to only hold 5%(max) of the new airline, which means its basically 95% private led; There's Air peace, Arik (which already flies to New York and Gatwick) and there's Aero that goes or used to go to Ghana(West Africa), don't you think it would have been smarter for the government to see how they can help this airlines grow bigger rather than start from scratch?

1) How is it that an entity that holds only 5% of a business is the one handling the negotiations of the Aircraft?
2) Who are the private investors? Do they already have the investors?
3) Won't it have been smarter to ensure the survival of Arik, Air peace and other indigenous airlines?

Abbeybailey:
I think your IQ is below par. Comparing US to Nigeria shows how shallow you are. Compare Nigeria to Ghana, Senegal , Cotedivoire and other similar countries in West Africa that have National Airlines that I see regularly in America and Europe. By the way, it's not my host country, it's my country of origin. Once again, you are a shallow minded Nigerian and I feel sorry for your kind.

Ghana Airways and Senegal Airways have ceased operations.

Abbeybailey:
What's so painful to you about your country owning her own airline. You must be an enemy of progress. Get rid of your negativity.

1) Owning a National Airline is the least of our troubles.
2) What has the government done to ensure that our local airlines don't go under?
3) If the government is not owning the airline, won't it have been smarter to push already existing airlines like Air Peace, Aero and the likes to grow bigger?

PS: The minister says the Government won't own more than 5% of the airline yet its negotiating with Aircraft Manufacturers?

gemdor:
This house is no longer available on their website.
Thanks so much, can i DM you, if i see any.

Sure.

gemdor:
Thank you for your attention to my question.

I think around 1350- 1500 (will be glad if i get below sha) should be enough for a 3 bedroom house, i am looking at anywhere close to ottawa; orleans, hunt club , crystal bay , westboro etc. We arrive in two weeks by Gods grace.

Thank you for your offer will most appreciate it.

About the meet up, since ottawans are so busy parhabs the whatsapp group may be more beneficial for newcomers, i kind of started one but , hey! i never land, so na the same thing.

orleans, hunt club , crystal bay , westboro all of this places are in Ottawa, Orleans is in Ottawa East, Westboro is in Ottawa West e.t.c, anyway I'll do a search for you in all those places and let you know what I see.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-house-rental/ottawa/three-bedroom-garden-homes-south-centrepointe-for-rent-239/1201765404?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-house-rental/ottawa/3-bedroom-townhouse-orleans/1370397823?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

QSola:
So helpful of you. Can i pm you. I dont even know my bearing now

Sure.

The guy would probably kill the girl if she mistakenly knocks down his bottle beer.

gemdor:
Thanks maternal i had gone to the beginning of the thread again to start penning names of ottawa people.
Okay i booked airbnb already for 2 weeks but i need to get accommodation before the end of the period(preferably a house because i have 3 super active kids), but i did not get any response to any house i showed interest in on Kijiji

1 How else can i go about this accommodation (just to book viewing sef)

2 Please can we start ottawa whatsapp group please (instant response to critical question can be pof saving)

3 I keep hearing no area is too far in ottawa , please how is living in the sub hurb and finding job within.

4 How do we do people socialize (side story : i contacted RCCG overcomers chapel on instagram, lets just say maybe they will respond when i get there)

1) What is your budget, type of accomodation you want and when do you plan to land? I can do the search for you on Kijiji and organize for you to view when you land.

3) This is sort of true and not true (It takes me about two hours by bus to get to work, but if I drive, its 28 mins). It also depends on your direction of work. If you work down town, you would most likely meet traffic is you drive and parking can be an issue sometimes.

4) I have tried to organize meet ups here but non responded.

This is 2018, if your man wants to meet your friends, he will meet them and if your friends want to meet your man, they will meet him. Its that simple.

theoldpretender:
Noted! All bases covered sir!

Its not only the apostle that can make predictions.

APC will win next year's presidential election but if they don't take care, PDP will win.

Y'all can mark this post and if it doesn't come to pass, then I'm not a man of God.

pazienza:
I bet Serbs would have been telling Croatians same thing by now, if they are stuck and failing together in Yugoslavia.

Orji Uzor Kalu, Ohakim, Nwobodo, etc.
They are all products of the Nigerian system.

There is no telling how they could have performed, once the Abuja protection and connection are severed.

Nobody in Abuja told them to steal, they did it because of greed.

Blaming diversity for Nigeria's problem is like saying a guy steals his father because they leave diverse Street.

Does that make sense to you?