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vooks:
[size=5pt]Excellent submission
Corrections
1. Saul did not become Saul, he was both Saul and Paul. One name was use among Gentiles, the other among Jews. That's how Jews named their kids
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2. Who/where is it written that prophets need time and tutelage? [size=5pt]
You have just witnessed Spirit of the Living GOd come upon some people and they prophesied and Moses desires that everybody was a Prophet. Obviously they were prophets else that statement is illogical.


1 Samuel 19:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?

Here, all it took was for Saul to prophesy to be regarded as a prophet


I can agree that the boundaries to a gift are limited by God and also their level of faith. This may be explains why we had Minor/Major prophets denoting their jurisdiction ( I may be wrong). But you haven't explained the difference between the 'prophetic office' and gift of prophecy. I believe Paul was a Prophet. Who said one can only be either?


Even the so called prophets NT or OT don't ALWAYS have a ready word for everyone or every situation. Foretelling and forthtelling is not automatic even for prophets. This means somebody prophesying once does not disqualify them from being a prophet. If I said you had a word of knowledge and not prophecy, would I be wrong?
There is no clear definition of these gifts and sometimes I think we may innocently call one the other.[/size]

vooks please explain the bold? What was the question about? What were you getting at or against?
Are you saying that prophets were never under tutelage in the bible?
If yes, were you then asking who they were (i.e. the prophets under tutelage) and asking where in the bible, were the prophets under tutelage?

nlMediator:
I share your sentiments, my brother. Somebody like Paul Crouch figured out a way to spread the gospel, using modern technology.
These cessasionists would almost deride him as the devil incarnate. But you'd think that since they know God better, they'd figure out better ways of accomplishing the Master's purpose, adapting existing methods or coming up with new technologies, etc.
Instead, they're often bitter, complaining of what people are not doing perfectly.
Just show us evidence of how you're impacting lives seems to be asking for too much.

Gombs:
Hmmm, they say "I don't want to fly my flag" or "numbers is ....bla bla bla"

They simply know how things should be done, and has done nothing in that regard.
Paul gave highlights of the impacts he's made... not my friends here.
They don't want to fly their flags

When Hell freezes over, these requests might get some consideration and the evidence(s) become publicly known

This is like the classic "If you are the Son of God, jump off!" evidence request

It's also right on par with been asked to show off one's freestyle on Jimmy's Jump Off

The answer as usual is, no can do. No granting of "...show us evidence..." requests

Gombs, we don't do show-offs, and as PREVIOUSLY stated here or was it the Midas thread, we don't grant "show us evidence(s)" requests, don't brag or post miracles, we just do.

trustman:
I hear you!

Given where we have been through with this matter it's statements
Mbaemeka made like:

and:

that made one go all these routes.

I guess i'll rest my case on this matter, for now.

No problemo!

Taking the scenic routes, can't be that bad, at least you get to see the impressive sights & beautiful natural scenery LOL

vooks:
mbaemeka,
Please sheath your sword,claws and fangs and let's chat. I need your thoughts. No fight, just exchanging opinions.

I saw Hagin struggle to distinguish between prophesying and 'office of the prophet'
Is there a difference between these?
I thought a teacher is somebody who teaches, a prophet one who prophesies and so forth.

vooks, c'mon now, stop slacking, you can do better than that (i.e. "a teacher is somebody who teaches, prophet one who prophesies'')

Differences could be similar to, just because I cook (i.e. cooking), doesn't necessarily make me a chef (i.e. put on the title or take on the position of chef authority)
- one fills positions but one dont necessarily assume or take on the office or title
Simply, a teacher explains, a prophet proclaims

mbaemeka:
What it means is; Nobody is mandated to get circumcised physically if they are already circumcised in the spirit BUT it doesn't mean that if they choose to do it, they are wrong or amiss.
Just like Tithing. So it is therefore wrong for anyone to claim that circumcision has been dismissed EXCEPT they mean it in the context of salvation.

trustman:
In other words, you are saying that physical circumcision is no longer mandatory for the Christian just as tithing is no longer mandatory for the Christian.
Both are therefore optional for the Christian.

I dont think mbaemeka disagrees that heart circumcision superseded physical circumcision,
just as giving with a cheerful heart & without compulsion superseded paying tithe or tithe giving
I think mbaemeka agrees that physical circumcision & paying tithe or tithe giving albeit no longer mandatory for the Christian, can be optional
- though unnecessary, nothing stops the Christian having physical circumcision or paying tithe (i.e. giving tithe)

trustman:
I believe on my part it's ok, Vooks. At the end of the day it is for us all to have a better grasp of the whole thing. 

I'm really trying to understand Mbaemeka's position. 

On the one hand he seem to advocate that circumcision is no longer required. 
But on the other hand he appears to be emphasizing that because it is pre-law, the covenant it 'marks' still exists, and there is no NT verse abrogating it, then it has not been 'dismissed'. 

If it has not been dismissed, what does that mean? That it is still operational? That it is merely optional? That in fact it is still necessary, in which case it is in essence still required - perhaps to have the 'full benefit' of the covenant? If so, which covenant? Is it the same as the better one of which Jesus is the guarantor (Hebrews 7 & eight) or a different covenant? Which covenant is the Christian under? 

The questions can go on and on I suppose but let's await his clarifications.

The closest comparison I can proffer on mbaemeka's behalf for you are the "Use by" and "Best before" dates on food packaging labels
- one ceases to be safe to consume on date stamped, the other though safe to consume, it however declines in quality from the date stamped

BabaGnoni:
^^^ LOL, your patience got worn thin, has it?

You want to see the "itu" (i.e. confused.com) Femi Aribisala just scatter for ground on the now FP thread
https://www.nairaland.com/2022218/christians-must-choose-between-apostle

shdemidemi:
Bwahaahahaha... The man won't stop this travesty, would he?

If we are ever in doubt of God's patience and long suffering, I think this man's messages is a living testimony to the fact.

WinsomeX:
Aribasala has finally lost it.

Gombs:
hmmm,we are on same page.that is something to celebrate o

With Femi Aribisala, just eat the fish and spit out the bones
http://www.femiaribisala.com/articles-listing

Femi Aribisala most times, or has he occasionally does, can be on point with some remarkable articles
(e.g. Money Is Not Valuable, Seeing God's Kingdom, The Keys Of The Kingdom of Heaven, The Gospel Of Tithes And Offerings, "Daddy G.O." Pastors Are Thieves And Robbers, Pastors Are Jesus Killers, Loving God And Hating My Wife etcetera)
but when he decides to play confused, he turns into a nightmare, and a monstrosity
and whenever he decides to be controversial, he switches into a demagogue and become a minefield, dangerous

shdemidemi:
dopey arguments irritate me bro..I need more patience.

^^^
https://s7.postimg.org/59mc5g4if/armour.jpg
LOL, His grace is sufficient for you, what you need is a thick skin and body armour, one like the above

shdemidemi:
vooks, just shut your trap and keep your folly beliefs.^^^

I have got nothing more to say to you on this matter.

^^^ LOL, your patience got worn thin, has it?

You want to see the "itu" (i.e. confused.com) Femi Aribisala just scatter for ground on the now FP thread
https://www.nairaland.com/2022218/christians-must-choose-between-apostle

vooks, as I've read you in the past saying "...I need to look it up..." or something in that line or to that effect, I thought, you, like the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, would receive the below URL link with great eagerness and examine the contents & especially the commentaries (i.e. do justice to them)
- the answer(s) to your query(ies) is/are in it
http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/13-12.htm

Have you at all managed to go over the link yet vooks?

PS: What caught my eyes in it all, partly are the areas about "glass(es)" - the clear and the dark glass(es) and then "the doctrines of grace and truth" etcetera

shdemidemi:
Thanks for your definition but it can also mean fabrication.

You are making assumptions and they are the lowest form of information for garnering facts.
I don't do clique with the word of God.
Baba G and myself have a go at each other now and again so you might just be wrong with those speculations.

Blind loyalty is not healthy.
That is actually 110% correct, I and shdemidemi, and also others I respect, have had spats now and then

vooks:
Spurious means a line of reasoning that is apparently but not valid.
I think a major rule of this thread should be participants should cease and desist from making claims that are they can't substantiate.

In my short stint at NL, here is what I have observed; there are factions here and an unwritten rule is to NEVER attack anybody on your side of an argument.
Pretty defeatist seeing there are enough targets on the other side. Not even 'friendly fire'.

I dont know about "factions"
I know of set of posters here that have similar viewpoints but it doesnt stop or hinder them challenging each others dissimilar viewpoint, standpoints etcetera
- Try and make an objective observation next time vooks

vooks:
I don't have to but I just did. Please respond to them. You are making some of the most careless and unscriptural statements here and am shocked nobody is bothered. Is this meant to be another Cessationists echo chamber?

1. There is NO distinction between NT and OT prophets
2. It takes copious amounts of fertile imagination to make the 'perfect' New Testament, and one has to look outside scriptures to even attempt propping that

OK, then please explain 1 Corinthians 13:9-10

⁹For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
¹⁰but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

Have you gone through the link earlier provided yet?

shdemidemi:
I think 'spurious' is as well but all in all, I apologise (vooks) if you think I sounded harsh- not intended really.

Apologies WASN'T needed
By the way, I said using "strong" word, and not sounding or coming across "harsh".
I know you didnt intend to be harsh, but just suggesting to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves else people get on the defensive

shdemidemi:
You don't have to ask me questions, simply tell us what you think the right thing is so we can compare with scriptural guide.
It is much easier to criticise, if you must criticise make a presentation as well so we know where you stand.

^^^
shdemidemi, using criticise is a strong word, as it's bound to alienate or make one confrontational, hostile or argumentative
- iron sharpeneth iron, we all in here to learn off each other, or build each other up. No competition.

vooks:
And am asking the bolded. Who/what informed you that the perfect, the coming of which these things cease is the New Testament?

If I ask you to define a bird, your definition should not include the very thing you are defining.

vooks:
Where do you get this spurious distinction between NT prophets and OT prophets? Scriptures please
Why would you force a disciple at least twenty years AFTER Pentecost to be an OT prophet?

Like the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, I know you would receive the below URL link with great eagerness and examine the contents & commentaries (i.e. do justice to it)
- the answer(s) to your query(ies) is/are in it
http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/13-12.htm

^^^
I subscribe and/or endorse 110%, the two shdemidemi's posts above mine
- the whole of 1 Corinthians 13 is instructive, 1 Corinthians 13:10 makes the pivotal statement in the whole 1 Corinthians 13 chapter

shdemidemi:
^^^Let it fly then, I think I have made my point on the main issue.

shdemidemi, whats the game? What are you playing at? LOL
I was talking about the earth, the physical but seems you're trying to outguess me and so raring to talk about the world, the intangible

shdemidemi:
Subdue the earth, yes.
But it must be said that this was well before the fall and before the world which the devil happen to be the ruler and the king.
We have not been called to subdue the world but to act as citizens of heaven carrying out the interest and purpose of God in the world.

shdemidemi, initially I thought it was my imagination but really you do seem to have a rolling stone style of posting (i.e. unwilling to settle for long on one point or one singular discourse)

When and how did we criss cross from subdue the earth to subduing the world?

I posted about subduing the earth, which was a futuristic/prophetic statement made by God in Genesis 1:28. It was a prediction or expectation of what was going to happen in Genesis 3:17

Had nothing to do with the system (i.e. the world) which isnt physical as the earth is, and my post wasn't about the system (i.e. the world)

Genesis 1:28 goes further than the literal meaning, as God actually was indirectly warning and prophetically advising Adam to subdue the earth, which incidentally is what Adam is made up from
- God was indirectly talking to Adam, the dust earth man, to overcome or control himself

shdemidemi:
I am sure Joni Eareckson Tada wouldn't hesitate to see a doctor if they have the cure for her illness. She also mentioned that she never stop anyone who think they have a way to talk to God on her behalf. Is this what she will wake up to pray about? I don't think so. That woman will wake up and give praises and thanks to God for her soul, may be more than you and I will normally do. She has been broken by God and God only does that to those He has appointed to use for His glory.

What we must also understand is what she thinks about what we call her problem. She does not see it as a problem any more because she is not seeing it from a worldly perspective. She has 'recklessly' surrendered her life to God while she gets on with the work of God's kingdom which is our reasonable service as believers.

I am quite sure this woman has Romans 5 engrained in her heart-

5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

This woman isn't operating on the level of happiness but joy. She understands what it means to be justified by faith and that explains why she might be more joyful than a christian who isn't facing her kind of challenge.

We also have our individual problems, though relative, we all have our issues and these problems will not go no matter how prolific we are in prayers. In fact, if it goes, glory to God, but it opens the door for multiple problems that will also require solution. Problems are a continuum and they are ordained and permitted by God because-
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

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I wouldnt be biased towards her challenges
God never promised us a challenge free life, right from the beginning, as far back or as early as Genesis 1:28, He declared or commanded that we subdue the earth etc

nora544:
I know it from the Old Testament but we will never say this to a pastor and I have a girlfriend she is a pastor from a lutheran church and pastors are normal people not God of Men.

But who Anointed all this WOF Pastors because we are not bader than this so called great man of God.

nora544, we are all anointed but I think it's best, we let this Martin Luther King, Jr's quote remark on it

"No thing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

WinsomeX:
shdemidemi

I agree with you. And I doubt if BBG will disagree too. It's the deeper healing she was speaking about.
A healing, I'm afraid many Charismatics know nothing about.

Yes I subscribe totally to that.
Given a Job to have or do, God has certainly given her the grace and succour to see the job through.
- pardon the pun with Job and job

WinsomeX:
BabaGnoni

I understand you perfectly and I now understand why you kept referring to mbaemeka. I believe you mean that every cure for every disease is in man and that as time progresses and medical science improves, most incurable ailments will find cure. This is God bringing healing to humanity. mba will rather misconstrue this as you limiting God to medicine. Of course it means that what medicine cannot accomplish, God can, if he chooses to.

As to WoF advocates, I have invited them to this thread and save for Gombs one post, the rest have stayed clear. I think religious section discusses these days has not been kind to them and they will rather stay away altogether than have their theology shaken. I need not begin listing some of them, beginning with the Bayelsan Pastor SirJohn has sent out permanently from nl.

shdemidemi, there is no works in this. I think it makes perfect sense.

^^^
WinsomeX, I endorse this 110%
- God is waiting for us, longsufferring in silence, wondering why is it taking us this or so long to get the healing and miracle cure acts together

shdemidemi:
There is certainly a place for medical healing and biology is doing so much to make up for all healing that pertain to the flesh.

What Joni Eareckson Tada is speaking about is far bigger than healing of physical infirmities. She spoke of a miracle, a real miracle which is seeing oneself from the eyes of God. She has acquired a level of knowledge through God's word that transcends world knowledge. Healing or no healing, her mind has been shaped/ transformed/refurbished beyond the 'problem'. Where her flesh appears weak, her inner man is well nourished.

She mentioned some few weaknesses that she need prayers for and walking wasn't part of it, she mentioned selfishness, bitterness, peevish tendencies.
These are problems that medicine or biology can't solve and these are the major diseases confronting the church today.

I earlier agreed with one of your posts above, that when given a Job to have or do, only God can give the grace and succour to see the job through.
- pardon the pun with Job and job

We should all be glad for the grace and succour of God, also for the Holy Spirit producing this kind of fruit in her and our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things! (i.e. Galatians 5:22-23 NLT)

The fruits of the Spirit will act against the selfishness, bitterness & peevish tendencies, in order to reduce their forces or neutralize them.

Teddy "Teddybear" Pendergrass years after his motor incident, said this:
"... Cure will eventually happen but at this point, it's not going to happen for years and years and years..."

Hebrews 11:13 GOD'S WORD® Translation tells us:
All these people died having faith.
They didn't receive the things that God had promised them,
but they saw these things coming in the distant future and rejoiced.
They acknowledged that they were living as strangers with no permanent home on earth.

Teddy "Teddybear" Pendergrass, father Abraham etcetera never gave up, they saw these things coming in the distant future and rejoiced.

Jesus used an illustration (i.e. Luke 18:1-6) with his disciples to show them that they need to pray all the time and never give up.

Walking should still be part of Joni Eareckson Tada's prayers, peradventure, it is hers, Joni Eareckson Tada's prayers which will be answered and release the lock where the miracule cure is holed and held up in

Perchance it is her prayers which will free up the someone who has the deposit of the healing or miracle cure in him/her

nora544:
I never hear that word that a man is anointing, I never hear that it is not allowed to speak against a so called great man of God

We don' that this here in Main europa that first timer i hear it from a good friend who is nigerian when I told him what his daddy go told him is not tru, That was the time when i start to learn more about this and now he knows that most of this so called great man of God or only God of man.

Anointing, is an Old Testament particular way of speaking used when it comes to doing God's work or carry out God's purpose.

Anointing simply means empowering and put aside or set aside for God's works.

Back in the Old Testament days, to give a few examples, God asked Moses to anoint 70 elders, God asked Moses to anoint Aaron and his sons as Priests, God asked Samuel to anoint Saul as King. The word Christ or Messiah means the "Anointed One".

Christians too are anointed with power by the Holy Spirit

shdemidemi:
If you agree He has a purpose, you shouldn't have a problem accepting that His purpose is more important than any wishful agenda we might concoct in our mind.
It is never about us but about God and His purpose.

LOL, what made you think I have a problem accepting God's purpose is more important than any wishful agenda we might concoct in our mind

Rev 4:11 amplifies why it is never about us but about God and His purpose

You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for you have created all things, and for your pleasure they are and were created.
- Rev 4:11 American KJV

shdemidemi:
Of course, there is no one with a corner or a formula to make God react. Moreover, I don't think that word anointing was ever used in the whole of the New Testament.

Works is when you say there is something we can do to make God reciprocate. This subtly takes the power from God and places it on man's ability to make things happen.

Yes shdemidemi, I believe God created us for a purpose

Rev 4:11 American KJV, tells me:
You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for you have created all things, and for your pleasure they are and were created.

shdemidemi we are all fearfully and wonderfully made but then in this fallen world we are in, God allows most of our courses of action

I didnt bring up the word anointing in post(s), I think you did

Also shdemidemi, you're putting words in my mouth, as I never said "there is something we can do to make God reciprocate".
Please quote me where I said any of those

shdemidemi:
^^ You have steered towards works BabaG.

This is where formulas to obtain God's mercy comes to play.

Some will then go by the way of fasting, praying, attending church service, pay tithe, kiss pastor's boot et al to obtain these mercy.
If at the end they don't get the response they require, they will either lose hope in the faith or look for that man of God who carries a 'special anointing' to cure their troubles.

Baba G, do you believe God created us for a purpose?

shdemidemi, no, not all. Please advise or explain how I have veered into works

Who exactly is the man of God who carries a 'special anointing' to cure their troubles.

shdemidemi, only God, has that 'special anointing' to cure their troubles and this is what Jesus did when on earth

It is when people are playing God, mini god or what have you, that they steer into trouble and have the need to send people searching for healings away and back from approaching the "healing" altars

WinsomeX:
The part that I find irksome is that place you said God is waiting on us to "get our acts together".
Does this imply the reason one is not healed is his fault?
Why is this not different from the WoF chap that blames ones illness on a lack of faith.

I have a dear friend wheel chair bound. She has a solid faith in God but she is not healed.
How do I explain to her that her lacking of healing is bc she hasn't gotten her acts together?

I see how I get misquoted the more now. There wasnt any blaming in my post rather it was presenting the facts and truth

It has nothing to do with your friend, Teddy Pendergrass, Christopher Reeves, Joni Eareckson Tada etcetera

The thing about the WoF camp is dishonesty which is why I posted those two questions hoping any of them would provide an explanation or comment.

We have seen how the spinal cord is made up and the implications of the injuries and Psalm 139:14 states “I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.”

Healing is God's Sovereign power, He determines when He personally and directly intervenes. Your friend, her lacking of healing is not because she hasn't gotten her acts together. I never anywhere, said that nor suggested so.

As mentioned in the previous post, the healing and cures have been done, dispatched for delivery

Psalm 115:16 states: The highest heavens belong to the LORD, but the earth he has given to mankind.

There are other verses to augment this but that Psalm 115:16 will suffice for now and so not to bore us. The fact is, God is ACTUALLY waiting on that someone who is refusing or withholding that healing or cure for the benefit of Mankind and all.

PS: Do you tidy up your kids room for them, especially after they have come off age. Do you barge into their rooms, and start rearranging or moving things around for them, just like that. The house is yours, the Dad's & Mum's, no doubt but the room you have given to them to use, entertain, sleep, recreate, play etcetera in

WinsomeX:
While you provide an answer to my question, let me state my position on healing.

I believe the cessationists position on healing. The cesaationists position really is that there were signs and wonders that accompanied the apostles ministry and message, some of which came through physical healing. It is this that has ceased.

However, most cessationist still hold that God can heal people today and that's what I believe too. He will heal based solely on his will, sovereignty or plan regarding an individual or persons.

That's why I find BBG position of God waiting on us to receive healing difficult to comprehend, knowing he is not WoF and this line of thought is purely WoF. This is the sort of thinking at the roots of many ill people's frustrations because they are at a loss as to what they simply have not done to reach this God who is waiting for them.

Mark Miwerds used to be blind and wheel chair bound. He is not WoF. God healed him and he no longer uses the wheel chair. But he remains blind. Will we claim that he was able to reach God in regards to his paralysis but failed in the matter of his sight?

My position is that apostolic healing, miracles, sign and wonders have ceased. I however believe God heals when he pleases. Not bc we have found a special means of reaching him for it but purely based in his mercy and sovereign will.

I can see where the misunderstanding is coming from and now think I am becoming to understand why mbaemeka keeps misparaphrasing me now.

There is usually a lot of backdrop to cover which is why I don't publicly get involved in matters like this.
I normally prefer mano a mano. The LordReed public one was a rare exception to the rules, but then I knew the risks but didn't mind stretching or putting out my scrawny neck.

WinsomeX, first whatever WoF puts out has a "carrot and stick approach" slant on it. To everything WoF puts out there is the carrot at the end of stick attached to the cart. You know, the donkey, pulling a cart and trying to eat the carrot at the end of the stick?
WoF have a carrot on a string tied on the end of a stick. The donkey is pulling the cart, raking in money for WoF, but never gets to eat the carrot at the end of the stick.

The difference is that there is no carrot or stick with my statement but it is a fact and honest truth. I have no ulterior motive, I am not selling a book, I am not trying to obtain financial advantage(s) with the statement

We seem to forget that earth was made for man. God has blessed and deposited earth with all that man requires to have dominion off the earth with.

God has dispatched and deposited all the healing and cures, He has filled someone with the Spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of healing and cures similarly just like He did with Bezalel (i.e. Exod 31:1–7 ) so God is just waiting on us (i.e. the ones with the wisdom, understanding and knowledge in whatever particular area)

As about MarkMiwerds, here is a recent example of God waiting for 48 years on us, for someone to deliver, to relieve the pressue which will restore this pensioner's eyesight

- Excerpt -

Pensioner blinded in one eye after being struck by a cricket ball 48 years ago has sight restored after routine check-up uncovers easy way to fix it

- Alan Read lost the sight in his left eye after being struck by a cricket ball
- Was 36 when he was hit above his left eye while playing for a village team
- Doctors at the time told him he would never see out of it ever again
- But 48 years later after a routine check was told his sight could be saved
- Underwent an operation to relieve the pressure from behind his left eye
- Can now boast of clear vision for the first time since the freak accident

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845317/Owzat-Pensioner-blinded-one-eye-struck-cricket-ball-48-years-ago-sight-restored-routine-check-uncovers-easy-way-fix-it.html

- /Excerpt -

WinsomeX:
Let me say straight away that BabaGnoni will be among the first three people I love to read on this forum and the info you just provided on spinal chord injuries is invaluable but I cannot understand your position here:

If you had not been one of those who authored the WoF thread I would have concluded that the above is WoF. Why is the above statement not Word of Faith, BBG?

WinsomeX, the feeling is mutual
- I must admit that is me saying the respect & feeling is mutual without a doubt

WinsomeX, if you can mention exactly or explain the bit you find irky maybe I might be able to make myself clearer but remember to read my post in its context, not like the way or how mbaemeka mischievously does

shdemidemi:
I'm very well bro, trust you are having a good weekend as well.

Joni Eareckson Tada's testimony isn't unique because of what she had been afflicted with nor her experential knowledge of sufferings a believer could be subjected to. Her testimony is unique because she finds a heart that glorifies her maker even in the middle of her pain and agony. Through her pain she identified God matter than her health or whatever her heart might desire. What most of us try to comprehend by reading the book was played out through experience(disaster) in her case.

I compared her to Job because she must have had her moments where she would ask the question like Job and most people ask- sometimes quietly in our mind- 'why me'? But she isn't dwelling on what she had done wrong to deserve what she is got but how she can use what she has to the glory of God.

Like Job these lady reached the end of herself after she had tried all that could have been done within her powers. All of their defenses was broken by God until they finally saw God in their troubles.

Yes ooo, we are doing our best at having a good weekend as well ooo,.
I tried going out, drove around a bit but hurriedly did what I had to do, quickly turned around and dashed back in, it was too cold for my liking

I agree with the bolded above, when given a Job to have or do, only God can give the grace and succour to see the job through.
- sorry about the Job, job rhyming

There are varying degrees or levels of tetraplegia, also known as quadriplegia. I have read testimonies of low level quadriplegics getting healed by God, mind you it was a long and ardous journey of faith, determination and strong belief

https://s29.postimg.org/eswy1n2x3/paralegia.jpg

I remember watching Teddy "Teddybear" Pendergrass years after his motor incident, saying:
"We don't live for a cure because there is no cure.
The injury is not a disease - you can't pop a pill and cure it. Spinal cord is not a disease.
Can't heal an injury, can't cure an injury...
Cure will eventually happen but at this point, it's not going to happen for years and years and years...
You can't re-connect something that's already been cut"

I also remember hearing Myles Munroe saying this about the cemetery, paraphrased:
"The the wealthiest places in the world are not gold mines, oil fields, diamond mines or banks. The wealthiest place is the cemetery.
There lies companies that were never started, masterpieces that were never painted...
In the cemetery there is buried the greatest treasure of untapped potential. There is a treasure within you that must come out. Don’t go to the grave with your treasure still within YOU"

mbaemeka not only mischeviously always rewords of something written but does so out of context and also without backing up with the original quote(s)
God is ALWAYS the quadriplegia HEALER. He, in His sovereign power HEALS all quadriplegia. He directly heals some quadriplegic, other quadriplegics He indirectly heals via other means.

We think we are waiting on God for healing and cures, but it actually is the other way round, as God is waiting on us, waiting for us to get our act together. The healing and cure are already done and dispatched out there by God

The cemetry certainly is buried with healings and cures not tapped. People have gone to their graves with all these healings and cures not used. People have buried their talents whilst others have gone to the grave without using up, emptying out or pouring out all the talents given them

Right now finances is hindering the progress of stem cell research.

What happens when the spinal cord is injured?
When the spinal cord is injured, the initial trauma causes cell damage and destruction, and triggers a cascade of events that spread around the injury site affecting a number of different types of cells. Axons are crushed and torn, and oligodendrocytes, the nerve cells that make up the insulating myelin sheath around axons, begin to die. Exposed axons degenerate, the connection between neurons is disrupted and the flow of information between the brain and the spinal cord is blocked.

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The body cannot replace cells lost when the spinal cord is injured, and its function becomes impaired permanently. Patients may end up with severe movement and sensation disabilities. They will generally be paralyzed and without sensation from the level of the injury downwards. Injuries high in the neck, such as that suffered by Superman actor Christopher Reeve, paralyze the whole body including the arms and shoulders. A common level of injury is just below the ribs, resulting in normal arm function but paralyzed legs.

Depending on the location and the extent of the injury patients may suffer complete or incomplete paralysis, and loss of feeling, sexual function and bowel control.

California based biotech Geron had a widely reported clinical trial under way for a treatment – the first of its kind – involving the injection of cells derived from human embryonic stem cells. The injected cells were precursors of oligodendrocytes, the cells that form the insulating myelin sheath around axons. Researchers hoped that these cells, once injected into the spinal cord, would mature and form a new coating on the nerve cells, restoring the ability of signals to cross the spinal cord injury site

Many scientific groups around the world are developing a large range of potential treatments based on stem cells. Depending on the type of stem cell and the way it is implanted, the aim of the various strategies is to bridge the injury so that axons can regenerate, to replace lost myelin, and to protect the cord from spreading damage after the injury. It is likely that we will see further clinical trials based on these strategies.
http://www.eurostemcell.org/factsheet/spinal-cord-injuries-how-could-stem-cells-help

I personally have received healing(s) after been informed there is no cure, and this just by understanding the issue, reading up and studying information God has led me to. I came to realise that God did a marvelous good work of the human body. The human body essentially, is a self healing machine, and it excels in healing itself when put under right and favourable conditions.

Merely watching what is taken into the bodies and adjusting lifestyles has healed others, my family and I, of various diseases, ailments, abnormalities etcetera which doctors have deemed incurable.

I have never heard or read of the Apostles getting shocked at seeing or hearing anyone was healed or cured but I have heard and watched "healing pastors" publicly admit astonishment and amazement themselves when people come out to testify of cures and healings obtained/received

Quadriplegia is a completely different situation of healing and altogether not in the same league as staged leg lengthening healings.

These observations prompted questions like the below:
Q1) Why are "healing" schools FULL of genuinely and undisputedly crippled wheelchair-ridden people who NEVER GET HEALED?
Q2) Why is a cerebral palsy sufferer(s) turned away from approaching "healing" pastor(s) on stage a popular "healing" school(s)?