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Candour:
@Gombs, are those the great answers you were preparing??

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Please the "great answers" are suffice, as anything more like effeminate gifs or gifs of men gyrating, twisting and moving their hips and mid waists in circles causes one to stop being interested threads

Gombs:
Wow!
Thanks image! Whenever I see that man...Papa Idahosa comes to my mind...you need feel the energy that runs through me.

https://s1.postimg.org/qj51hrl27/Oyedep_Me.jpg
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Yeah and I too, only that it's not Archbishop Benson Idahosa only that comes to my mind
- "Baba", Frederick KC Price, Kenneth Copeland etcetera as well comes to mind

Bidam too comes to mind, recalling him quoting Revelation 3:18 when once literally saying "shine your eyes":

"I share their sentiments, I also don't support the excesses going on in churches these days. They have become social clubs.
Rather than preach messages centered on Christ, they now go to the extreme by milking the sheep on sow this and reap within 24hrs which is unbiblical.
I had to leave living faith because of this. Oyedepo was like a mentor to me but it's just too bad these things are happening even now as i am typing.ar; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."
- Kenneth Hagin & Kenneth Copeland - Pentecostal Confusion thread © Bidam

Image123:
Don't be ridiculous. Mark didn't reply my last post to him.
Why not stay out of our discussion instead of unfounded and biased poke nosing.

Yeah right.
Rich coming from nairaland religion forum web famous post-crasher whose speciality is sticking nose in other people's threads that doesn't involve him, and leaving trails of graffiti remarks behind.
- the irony is that he now is proffering that others "stay out of our discussion"

mbaemeka:
Some say they are already immaterial now.
You are different. You say it is on the other side of eternity and I agree with that.

I am not sure what you agreed with, as I certainly didn't say wealth, prophecy, miracles, healing etcetera are on the other side of eternity

I think you might have just paraphrased me without the aim or intention to achieve greater clarity with it
- you've tried repeating my remark(s), but ended up repeating it out of context, omitted words or watered it down a bit and thereby misrepresented the crux and intent of my original remark(s)

This is part of what I said:
Wealth, prophecy, miracles, healing etc all are for the moment and so have a shelf life (i.e. after a length of time they all become immaterial, unusable, unfit for consumption, inconsequential etc)

Three things will last forever--faith, hope, and love--and the greatest of these is love.
- 1 Corinthians 13:13 NLT

1 Corinthians 13:13 above is a summation of what the new brigade is all about (i.e. a full circle, back to Eden, where Adam, pre-fall, was meant to live a life based on faith, hope and love)

What are the specifics that SOME are saying, are already immaterial now? (i.e. is unimportant under the circumstance now)
What exactly is the "they" that are already immaterial now? (i.e. a list of what are immaterial now as allegedly said by SOME)

mbaemeka, mind you, what SOME might be saying is that, unimportant now doesn't necessarily mean, it does not happen, it can't or it won't happen. SOME might be saying that these things though unimportant now to some degree, are still valid, as they are parameters, in the use-by-date or expiration date function (i.e. the shelf-life or time-to-live function) The sovereign power of God however has a stake in all this too and at will supersede events situations or outcome

mbaemeka:
Someone said, what if the Indians performed a bigger sign than the Pastor and I said how could that be?
At the mention of the name of Jesus, every other power bows. That's what the bible says and I believe it.

Reading that "...how could that be..." just struck me as a catchphrase of a world famous person known for saying that
- what a small world we live in

mbaemeka:
I am only quoting the areas that I either do not agree with or probably do not understand.

The question now is when does the emboldened happen? i.e when does the shelf life occur for the things you mentioned above.
I do agree with Paul in that verse of scripture.
What I may not agree with is what people interpret as the time for such to be immaterial.

Sorry to disappoint you this time around but now is not the time or venue for this.
Maybe brother Shdemidemi can take it from here.

Fair enough, I'll give you that, don't we all too, now and then, quote the areas that we agree with or probably understand

The shelf life occurs for the things mentioned above at the other side of the part of life or eternity
- there, they will be no need for money, no need for healing, no need wealth, no need for prophecy, no need for miracles etc. No need at that side.

"the time for such to be immaterial" sic, is undeniable or unquestionable

What really, exactly or specifically is what you "may not agree with is what people interpret as the time for such to be immaterial." sic

My dear friend, I had no expectations nor any need of an appointment with you, so your figment of "disappointing" is awry
- It was a rhetorical statement. I've made my point and I am content with just plainly making it, with no sorrow added

vooks:
The point is, there was something John lacked compared to Jesus and His disciples.
No signs nor wonders did John perform. They go hand in hand those two.
The guys who said he did no signs were privy to his oratorical skills and their effects yet they said he did no miracle.
Whatever supernatural measure manifested in him, he did NO MIRACLE.

shdemidemi:
John did no SiGNS means he did nothing supernatural to the visible eyes like Moses, Elijah,Jesus, Peter or Paul.

mbaemeka:
No they don't go hand in hand per se and a miracle is not ALWAYS spectacular
- but it is ALWAYS supernatural so the claim that John did nothing supernatural is false.

I asked questions and none has been attempted by the both of you.
I never claimed that John healed the sick or turned water to wine whether in public or secret.
The bible says John was a Prophet and as such he proved his calling by spotting out the Messiah from a large crowd.

I hope you know that we have more knowledge about Jesus now than John did back then.
So that should help you factor in how much of a prophet he truly was and how supernatural picking and baptizing Jesus was.
Others believed in Jesus' calling when they saw the signs, but John spotted Jesus out without a single sign
- he knew by revelation of the spirit and that my friends is not natural!

John was a living and talking SIGN (i.e. the voice calling, "Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God)

By the way, John knew about Jesus, as way back when both were in the womb. His recognition lead to his mum (i.e. Elizabeth) on the back of it, getting filled with the Holy Spirit.
- John has been "spotting" Jesus, and spotting as far way back, from the womb

Even if debating signs, might as well get the handle right on the purpose of signage, which is, giving directions or warning, communicating a message or information to a targetted or specific group.
- what use is the sign to Kutuwenji to me, if I am already at Kutuwenji, or if I already know how to get to Kutuwenji

John didn't have to do signs. Why should he, when he, John, WAS THE sign. John was a WARNING SIGN of something to come (i.e. wasn't he the forerunner)
- John didn't have to and was not required to keep up with the sign-Joneses. In his own right, he, John, was a sign.

The thing is John had so many things going on, and we all can thank Herodias for that, this likely lead to a midlife crisis moment or a tad case of carnal moments which reached a climax and set him off, in delirium, to enquire, whether Jesus was for real
- remember John recognised this, earlier when in the womb, so my suspicion that it was a case of temporary mental confusion

Signs like Methuselah and John the Baptist have their places
Just as Methuselah had a purpose, so John too, had his purpose. Methuselah's miracle was to stay alive AS A SIGN until the appointed time and in a similar vein, John's miracle was to be a sign too, then become a fading sign as Jesus glitters and increasingly shines

Now, mbaemeka you are however right with the statement "I hope you know that we have more knowledge about Jesus now than John did back then." (sic) as it agrees with (i.e. is line with) what Jesus said in Matthew 11:11

Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist;
yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
- Matthew 11:11 NIV

John was the last prophet of the old brigade, hence why Jesus in relation to the old ways of doing things, said no human being is greater than John the Baptist, however in the new brigade, the least in the new way of doing things is greater than John the Baptist (i.e. obviously because of the transition from law to grace and love. Also because John was straddling the Old and the New, but we are firmly rooted in the New with Christ)
- Recall Moses and Elijah; representation of the Law and the Prophets, assisting Jesus with the beginning of drawing the curtain on the old

Wealth, prophecy, miracles, healing etc all are for the moment and so have a shelf life (i.e. after a length of time they all become immaterial, unusable, unfit for consumption, inconsequential etc)

Three things will last forever--faith, hope, and love--and the greatest of these is love.
- 1 Corinthians 13:13 NLT

1 Corinthians 13:13 above is a summation of what the new brigade is all about (i.e. a full circle, back to Eden, where Adam, pre-fall, was meant to live a life based on faith, hope and love)

mbaemeka:
The bible also says Abraham and David were Prophets and they too had no signs but some of the things they were able to see in the realm of the spirit and also say out made them Prophets.

So let us consider the message holistically. That aside, I never said anyone's christianity was proven by his wealth or ability to wrought miracles. We should however be wary of those who rule out its existence, possibility or necessity.

Also, if anyone who calls himself a christian believes in the word of God with his spirit, it is only a matter of time.
The belief will show up in signs, wonders, miracles and mighty deeds and I stand by that.

Also mbaemeka, you can writhe (by the way, mind you, no offense meant by that) as much as you want to but it must be said, moreso for the sake of posterity and especially for the records, that it'll be a hard task you finding and quoting anyone (i.e. THOSE; sic) who rule out the existence, possibility or necessity of wealth or ability to wrought miracles (sic; somewhat)

Please quote verbatim (i.e. THOSE) or otherwise, THOSE that do not believe in posterity, healings, existence of the supernatural, ability to wrought miracles, wealth etc

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827975/Private-plane-crashes-ship-yard-crane-Bahamas-killing-nine-including-religious-leader-way-event.html
RIP

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827975/Private-plane-crashes-ship-yard-crane-Bahamas-killing-nine-including-religious-leader-way-event.html
RIP

WinsomeX:
Conrad has a lecture there on African Charismatics.
So much religion along with so much corruption and backwardness.

Yup, that is correct, there are just too many in which these two guys are in, hitting the nail on the head.
By the way was referring to:

Are We Preachers or Witch Doctors? (Conrad Mbewe)
Spiritual Shipwreck of the Word-Faith Movement (Justin Peters)

WinsomeX:
I want to invite all who care for such an information to the STRANGE FIRE Conference organized by John MacArthur on the dangers of the Charismatic movement. This page below offer the transcribed, audio and video of all the messages on that conference.
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermon-series/325/strange-fire-conference?Term=strange%20fire
I will be opening a thread in the near future to discuss it.

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Conrad Mbewe spit fire on "MoG"
- nothing better than telling it as it is, with no holds barred.

Justin Peters not mincing words
- heavenly encounters/Jesus visitations (i.e. application for apostles are closed) functions of some gifts have ceased, Paul's rhetorical questions about tongues, teaching, etc

nlMediator:
^^^^^

By concoting senseless excuses to avoid coming up with a valid answer to the question of whether Hagin ever claimed to be an apostle as you falsely alleged, in essence dancing around the issue, you were dancing palongo. It's quite disingenious on your part to extract one line from your post and assert that the response to the post was only about that line. And so does not qualify as dancing palongo. Try harder.

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Genius

BabaGnoni:
"Baba" did with his.... and the evidences are in his books and all out in the public domain.

If there's anything like that at all, maybe a honorary board member extension should be given to you to know how
- I think it was Gombs that coined the "board-meeting" phrase.

but then vooks has already answered you in some ways nau.

When trouble sleep, yanga go wake am, wey tin, e dey find, my people ooo....

The thread is serene as it is now, if not that it's a lock-jaw thing, why do you want to open up a can of worms

nlMediator:
No, he has NOT answered me anything.
In fact, he said we should wait for you to respond. Is it that you don't have an ounce of integrity or what?

You accuse somebody falsely and when asked to validate your false claim, you're dancing palongo.
That's nauseating and quite unbecoming of a christian. Calling him an apostle was relevant to what your point because you wanted to convey the impression that he was giving spiritual authority to his assertions by adding that he was an apostle.

If you made a mistake, why don't you simply retract the statement and apologize?

Image123:
Ahhh, are you the palongo maestro?

Image123:
The association of palongo dancers, NL chapter. Yuck, that's pretty nauseating.

Gombs:
Yeah, any colour but blue will do for them! #Palongo

Wasn't going dwell on this or mention it but then the Resident Troll Alert warning changed that:
How anyone can understand "When trouble sleep, yanga go wake am, wey tin, e dey find, my people ooo...." as "dancing palongo" is beyond me.
Quite sure he's smarter than that to think so but only said it as that will make people laugh, like or to score himself
and rightly so, some section of the mob without thought, mindlessly went along with the gaffe.
- reading and comprehension challenges? Sad. SMH.

Also anyone capable of concocting stories with obvious and gaping holes in it, about postings and what is on or in the WoF thread, definitely can sell ice in the Antarctica, sell the eskimo ice in the Artic and sell the devil fire in hell. Big up. SMH.

Image123:
As is becoming his custom, he shoots himself severally in the feet until he is lame. These fellows are just anywhere belle face except the right angle. We say the sky is blue, they come shouting no no no the sky is actually colorless. Someone else says the sky is red, they say yes yes yes, it is. Another says the sky is black, they say that is the most concise description ever. Another comes and talks about the light spectrum, and they say yaaaay the most profound statement of the year. Bunch of palongo artistes.

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Troll Alert! Troll Alert!! Resident Troll on the Loose!!!
Do not approach Troll.
Do not give Troll attention.
PLEASE DONT FEED THE TROLL...

nlMediator:
No, he has NOT answered me anything. In fact, he said we should wait for you to respond.
Is it that you don't have an ounce of integrity or what?

You accuse somebody falsely and when asked to validate your false claim, you're dancing palongo.
That's nauseating and quite unbecoming of a christian.
Calling him an apostle was relevant to what your point because you wanted to convey the impression that he was giving spiritual authority to his assertions by adding that he was an apostle.

If you made a mistake, why don't you simply retract the statement and apologize?

You can huff and puff as much as you like, I am not getting sucked in
You can puke as much as you want to, you aren't extracting anything further out of me, except that you are close to the truth that "Baba" was giving spiritual authority to his assertions via HIS impressions

I advised not to open up a can of worms, which is why I looked the other way at the earlier spoiling-for-a-response comments, but you're so bent on.
Suck it up. Why are you so determined about this. I have moved on.

I did not nor never had called "Baba" an Apostle. It is Joagbaje among others on the record that called "Baba" an Apostle
However to your displeasure, I stand by the statement ""Baba" claiming to be an Apostle"
- made no mistake, don't need retracting the statement nor need to apologize

vooks:
Something came up during this debate.

Do we have Jesus' LITERAL blood in heaven?
Somebody claims that it is Jesus blood and Jesus interceding in heaven for the world.
This borders on Catholicism mysticism of transubstantiation where the elements of the communion morph into Jesus' literal flesh and blood (maybe Dracula was Catholic)

Is every reference to Jesus blood in the NT literal? If yes, I have some difficult questions for you. If No, when or how do we tell the literal from symbolic/figure of speech?

For the record, vooks subscribes to no such thing as Jesus' blood preserved in some form in heaven probably outside his body

^^^
I'll just throw 3 scriptures in the fray and we can have this nipped in the bud

The LORD said,
"What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground.
- Genesis 4:10 NIV

I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,
nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
- 1 Corinthians 15:50 NIV

You have come to Jesus, who brings the new promise from God,
and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel's.
- Hebrews 12:24 GOD'S WORD® Translation

PS: Do people really not understand what happens to blood beyond earth

nlMediator:
I wasn't referring to you or anybody you were addressing. The person that was associated with anger issues knows himself.

BTW, have you figured out yet if Hagin claimed to be an apostle or not?

"Baba" did with his.... and the evidences are in his books and all out in the public domain.

If there's anything like that at all, maybe a honorary board member extension should be given to you to know how
- I think it was Gombs that coined the "board-meeting" phrase.

but then vooks has already answered you in some ways nau.

When trouble sleep, yanga go wake am, wey tin, e dey find, my people ooo....

The thread is serene as it is now, if not that it's a lock-jaw thing, why do you want to open up a can of worms

Gombs:
Now, they are ganging up against WinsomeX shey?
Suddenly, you now work as public defender? It's well o

https://s27.postimg.org/7loykq87j/Dimeji.jpg

Don't tell us you didn't see WinsomeX descended upon and rugby-tackled to the ground from all angles there
- did you participate in it too, as I am not sure now. Or maybe you didn't join but just liked it.
Free am jor...

BabaGnoni:
^^^
Your wish is my command
however go for some anger management and control please

Gorge yourself on three

One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.
- Luke 6:12 NIV

⁴¹And he withdrew from them about a stone's throw and he bowed his knees and he prayed.
⁴²And he said, "Father, if you are willing, let this cup pass from me; however not my will, but yours be done."
- Luke 22:41-42 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

⁴¹So they rolled the stone aside. Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, "Father, thank you for hearing me.
⁴²You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standing here, so that they will believe you sent me."
- John 11:41-42 NLT

mbaemeka:
No vex. I am angry at the statement not you.

Jesus was not functioning as God on earth- he was functioning as a man.

Luke 18:1 (KJ21)
18 And He spoke a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray and not to faint

It is MEN that pray and not God.

nlMediator:
He shouldn't even respond to the nonsense. This guys needs help. Didn't somebody say sometime ago that he has anger issues?

I shall lift my eyes to the hills; from where will come my helper?
- We all need help
Don't gang up on WinsomeX, please release and leave WinsomeX alone.
If at all WinsomeX was angry, WinsomeX was angry at the statement (i.e. how it was twisted)

mbaemeka:
No vex. I am angry at the statement not you.
Jesus was not functioning as God on earth- he was functioning as a man.
Luke 18:1 (KJ21)
18 And He spoke a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray and not to faint
It is MEN that pray and not God.

I laughed in WoF, you know that WoF authoritative laugh, mimicking the authoritative and assertive post in "It is MEN that pray and not God"
- it rubs on one after a while, one just has succumb to laugh

mbaemeka , do you talk to yourself at all? Sometimes possibly, maybe when psyching yourself up. Hmm? No?

Although not that one is saying God psyches Himself up, but the fact is God does talk to Himself (i.e. prays to Himself)
The Godhead talk with Themselves.The Godhood talk among Themselves...

Sorry I am stealing time contributing at the moment

PS: Wasn't it you a few posts up there who referenced a scripture of God the Holy Spirit praying on behalf of others (i.e. to intercede, to make petition for)

mbaemeka:
Thrash.
Please use one scripture to back this up. Just one.

^^^
Your wish is my command
however go for some anger management and control please

Gorge yourself on three

One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.
- Luke 6:12 NIV

⁴¹And he withdrew from them about a stone's throw and he bowed his knees and he prayed.
⁴²And he said, "Father, if you are willing, let this cup pass from me; however not my will, but yours be done."
- Luke 22:41-42 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

⁴¹So they rolled the stone aside. Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, "Father, thank you for hearing me.
⁴²You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standing here, so that they will believe you sent me."
- John 11:41-42 NLT

mbaemeka:
How does he make the intercession for us? Is he outside us? Is he not one with our spirit?
Does God pray? Who will God pray to?

Yes, God does pray. God will pray to God the Father.

Gombs:
How is this not ridiculing what you know nothing of?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2V7KbbfRHA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPMOjI_KVmk
Aficionado are we now?
OK walk us through the above videos
Also explain what Rodney Howard-Browne with Benny Hinn are up to teaching how to Holy Laughter

Gombs:
You ridiculed it, What facts and truths did you state?

The facts and truths are "Holy Ghost laughter" is nothing more than just glorified "Laughter yoga"
- an exercise done in groups, involving making faces, sticking out tongues, prolonged voluntary laughter, and where feigned/forced/suggestive laughter soon turns into real and contagious laughter.

Otherwise, it then is something else worse, sinister and darkening, on par with Kundalini.

"Baba", been an Apostle as he claimed he was, had prophesied (i.e. this is captured on video) that God promised Him that a new wave of special anointing will sweep across the country and the world beyond

Since then, "Baba" had been trying to validate this prophecy, with the occasional attempts of laughing in Pastors meetings at his Tulsa base,
this is all long before Rodney Howard Brown came on the scene.

This "Holy Ghost laughter and slain in the spirit" thing in early videos is what "Baba" declared to be the first filling demonstration of the new spiritual anointing he said God had promised him

The "finale" video which you conveniently left out, is where "Baba" said it is the FIRST TIME they experienced the FULL manisfestation of the laughing anointing (i.e. all other incidents or videos prior the finale video were warm ups)

Gombs:

Oh! Stealth mode now? Heheheheheh, who wouldn't after some disastrous campaign?

Stealth mode? Yeah, like our friends guerilla stealth mode attacks and underhand tactics to gain advantages

Gombs you give yourself too much credit, you know that dont you

What "disastrous campaign"? Here we go again, Gombs stargazing and daydreaming again

You expect one to rain on your parade?
Prevent you from enjoying your candy and 15 minutes of fame?
Only an ogre will want take away your lolli pop. and enjoyment

Nah. When events like in Acts 28:3 turns into a farce as it has now, opt to looking and laughing sometimes, like I do...

Gombs:
Hello BBG
Back from your sabbatical?

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https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/42#27701533
BabaGnoni: 9:48pm On Nov 03
https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/42#27701542
BabaGnoni: 9:48pm On Nov 03

Are you dreaming Gombs?
- Sarcasm doesn't suit you. Leave it for the pros

^^^
Are you immuned to recognising sarcasm?
- Everyone does except you. Would have thought once bitten, twice shy by now

I am just looking and laughing... but somebody's gotta say it.

I could remember shdemidemi, trustman and I had tried to mince up this strong tough Luke 10:19, Mark 16:18 and Acts 28:3 meat.

shdemidemi, trustman and I, understand that:

"The Christian cannot equate himself with Jesus. He had inherent authority.
We can only at best have delegated authority. The Apostles too were unique in their own way.
They were pioneers. They were foundation layers..."
- © trustman

shdemidemi and I, particularly, I recall cut up the meat but then let the small pieces lie on the plate, as some will rather have bottled skimmed milk instead of meat
It ruffles a few feathers, such that, it evokes threats to DISH out dirty slaps, as desserts, when it is served. (sorry about the pun, dish) .

Here's the shocker, about taking authority, stepping or trampling on snakes and scorpions etc, literally, as in Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18
well, those verses were/are not meant for or addressed to the 21st Christians or WoFtards for that matter.

Contrary to what WoFtards or church tradition, will want many to believe, those verses weren't to the church but the reality is that it was said in relation to the Apostles and meant for the Apostles.
- No, don't run with it, don't get it twisted, didn't imply WoFtards Apostles or similar

All that needs to be done is read these verses (i.e. Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18) SLOWLY but LOUDLY
It is recommended to read up on what Greek aorist tenses are all about first before reading Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18 SLOWLY but LOUDLY
as this will help with better understanding the read Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18 verses

Now after reading Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18, for good measure, we can catch up with Acts 28:3 to have the penny drop

This was a prophetic statement made by Jesus in Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18 about the Apostles which got fulfilled in Acts 28:3 by an Apostle

If we have honestly and really got familiarised with Greek Aorist Tenses, like true BEREANS do, then we will realise the TRUE import of the grammar and tenses in Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18

Luke 10:19 or Mark 16:18 was literal for the pioneers, literal at the foundation layers and that prophecy got fulfilled by one of the pioneers at Acts 28:3
- hate bursting bubbles this way. It was literal then man, not anymore, not now. Sorry.

We, shdemidemi and I, had a thread on this, but we know the gist about that anyway, gone with the wind (i.e. tsunami)

nlMediator:
Au contraire, WOF has more miracles than all of you.
Post some of your own experiences casting out demons, healing the sick and getting God to work.
Critics hardly ever do. All they do is attack and attack some more.
You certainly misunderstand or misrepresent WOF. WOF loves the mercy of God. What we reject is hiding under it to explain your lack of faith or power or knowledge that would help obtain results.

vooks:
Sure most miracles and LEAST verifiable.
I don't get the Creator to work, I work for the Creator

nlMediator:
Don't mind these people.
There's no video of Hagin that I'm ashamed to watch.
Or afraid of or concerned about watching.
The Holy Ghost moves mightily in his meetings and things happen. Those that do not understand it can bother themselves all they want.
I recommend his video El Shaddai. One of his best. Yet, there, he's running around the room like a kid. These guys would ridicule it.
But those who understand the move of the Spirit absolutely love it. And are mightily blessed by it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDdEuD0Gfhg
^{Kenneth Hagin | Mighty Anointing (Part33)}

There's no video of Hagin that you're ashamed to watch?
Yeah right. Try the other leg
One just laughs when you guys wear the phrase "reading and/or comprehension abilities" thin,
- the recent one, everyone knew it was a sarky by nannymcphee and not an apology except for our mutual friend

OK, watch the video above which our mutual friend conveniently left out, but got busy inconsiderately putting up 1- and 2-hours plus long videos which are bandwidth guzzling and were old videos when "Baba" was years warming up to the above video.
- by the way, notice the WoF emblem, so should be suitable for general viewing and meet your approval to watch.
- It was uploaded by "Baba's" crew, and is the "finale" video where "Baba" said it is the first time they experienced the full manisfestation of the laughing anointing. Wow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2V7KbbfRHA
If your liver's strong, watch the above 5 minutes jara video and try explain it
or throw up a few more of the famous long-practiced barrage of excuses


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPMOjI_KVmk
and this with Rodney Howard-Browne with Benny Hinn teaching how to Holy Laughter

HOLY GHOST LAUGHTER along with slain in the spirit:
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/7#24937905

[size=14pt]Be not ignorant of this ONE thing,
we don't brag or post miracles, nor bleat on about it, we just do.[/size]

trustman:
And has Mbaemeka always received 100% all he asked as a 'faith' man?
If so maybe the Boko Haram request is apropos.

^^^
Apropos ke?
Don't bother, he's done a CYA (i.e. covered his rear)
- in relation to that request, he had covered that angle, as he has already referenced Proverbs 11:11 on page 34

but I would have loved if he didn't conveniently skip Proverbs 11:10a, like he did

"When right-living people bless the city, it flourishes;
evil talk turns it into a ghost town in no time.
- Proverbs 11:11 MSG

By the blessing of the upright the city is exalted:
but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked.
- Proverbs 11:11 KJV
https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/34#27619254

nlMediator:
Setting the record straight, while claiming that I BOASTED? That's some straight record!

And please don't give more ammunition to those who question your reading comprehension skills. That I said I don't click on the videos you guys send here does not translate into the conclusion that I have not seen the videos nor support your assumption that I lack the courage to watch them. It may surprise you to know that these videos exist elsewhere. For insance, I watched the Leroy Thompson-Creflo Dollar money video through a lady in the US that wrote a book on Prosperity. So, don't waste your time making baseless and fruitless assumptions.

It seems to be a stock-in-trade of some of you to quickly make conjectures and then elevate those conjectures to fact, which you then feed to the unwary. Sad.

Still on assumptions, it may shock you that not all that watch the neagitve videos come out abandoning WOF or Hagin.
Check this forum, for one.

Was it not said with pride and self-satisfaction? The achievements and abilities to rub shoulders with Kenneth Copeland or others?
- the gallivanting to Texas for the conventions too

Didn't the chap get everything and everyone muddled up except the bit about yall talking about "Baba"? (i.e. WOF meeting with clefo dollar, joel osteen and that they talked about Hagin)

Change of tune, is it now, from you don't bother watching now to you've watched Leroy-Creflo's. Theirs are kids gloves compared to "Baba's" laughing video.

Anyway, you are not just only running away from watching these Michael Jackson laughing videos "Baba, Kenneth Copeland etc " starred in, you are also fleeing from yourself, truth, reason and honesty.

Incomplete information? Yeah, you'll conveniently say that.

Caveat Emptor
- Warning notifies a buyer that the goods he or she is buying are "as is," or subject to defects of some sort, the buyer, alone, then is responsible if buyer goes ahead to make purchase

""Baba" doesn't see it as negative like you do but rather it was the fulfilling of prophecy, the anointing which will spread and sweep the country and the world at large promised him

What's the point of checking this forum, for one.
- It isn't a competition and no one is keeping tally

nlMediator:
Yeah, that was me. And it wasn't a boast. Fellowshipping with fellow believers is a thing of joy. And if you think it's a boast, good for you. Nothing to defend. Only trying to set the records straight.

And if you want to know further, I have also been in meetings by the biggest WOF and WOF-related names from Nigeria, including Idahosa, Oyedepo, Pastor Chris, Adeboye, and more.

Oh, and I've not ignored questions posed to me about laughter and warfare. I'd prefer not to derail this thread further and would be happy to address it in a separate thread.

And on angels serving believers, I applaud the excellent contributions made so far. I'll add a few points soon to support the great work already done, God willing.

More grease to your elbow
but it's no skin off my teeth. I only helped set the record straight by telling a fact that was inaccurately stated.

Address it without the courage to watch "Baba's" Michael Jackson laughing videos - That will be the day!

^^^
No, it wasn't him that was insinuating fraternizing with Kenneth Copeland or boasting he couldn't wait to attend Kenneth Copeland's Annual Convention in Dallas, Texas again.
- That was someone else