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@Todak

When done with what Lagosboy said, dont forget to expain how one can identify fake miracles from real miracles as said in your post.

Barka Jumauh in advancement

@Olaadegbu

The Torah and the Injil is in what we call the Holy Bible today. Ask any religious Jew who believes in the Torah you will find out that all the books Torah is what you will find in the 39 books of the Old Testament of the Christian Bible, unless you are referring to the RCC Bible that contains the apocrypha which is not the inspired word of God. If what you are referring to as the Injil is the synoptic gospels then you will find it in the New Testament of the Holy Bible unless you are thinking that the gnostic gospels are part of the Injil, and I believe that these have made their ways into your holy books as you claim that it was received from heaven. If the Torah and the Injil are not in our Bible can you please show me where they are, are they lost or are they now included in your Qur'an?

My dear friend, I dont know why I like you, maybe because you display maturity when responding to issues unlike some people .

Now with regards to Torah, it was given to Moses which could be said to be the first five books called the Pnetateuch but reading through the books, one would read where died and was buried in the same revelation given to Moses!!!

Also, if you are saying he was given the first five books, what of the other books and are you saying that they are part o the Torah given to Moses?

On Injil, Jesus was given a revelation or should we say a gospel and not Gospels bearing 'according to' which you claimed happened to be eye witness and when you read the bible, you would see that none was around but were copying each other and Luke even made that known.

What revelation Jesus used to preach because if you read the gospel, the intonation shows that it was written down after his demise and the letters of Paul are not supposed to be included because they are not the revelation sent to Jesus and shouldnt be part of Injil. The letters to corinthians etc should have been in a separate book just like we have sayings of the prophet not in the Quran.

I am not saying we should discard the whole of the bible but it has sayings that couldnt be ascribed to Jesus eg the unfulfilled prophecies etc. Reading through the book, one would see the traces of original revelation (having same stories/narration in both Quran and bible) sent to those prophets but have been edited to suite custom and particular set of people

The Hebrew Bible which contains the Law, the prophets and the writings (Psalms) Luke 24:44 which was ratified by our Lord Jesus Christ in the passage above which is the same thing as we have in the Christian Bible Old Testament and all the apostles of the New Testament have not contradicted any of the prophets of the Old Testament in their writing of the glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. If you insist that they have been corrupted then you are saying that God is so weak that He cannot keep His Words from corruption, is that what you are saying, or are you saying that He has kept it from corruption and if so where is it?

Brother, maybe if I take you through the cannons of the bible, you would realize the truth. The original message is lost and people had to edit,remove, insert stories to make up the lost ones and that is the reason you see words contradicting each other, chapters plagiarising each other, suppossed authors copying same thing etc.

Its because of the corruption that Quran came. The original message is lost but you would only see traces of same in the bible because the pentateuch couldnt be said to have been written by Moses with regards to Deuteronomy and NT couldnt have been the revelation given to Jesus. I am not saying its not words of God but not 100% as it has been adulterated.

Have you seen the efforts of your brother in crime, Abuzola? How he tried unsuccessfully to deceive readers that I posted irrelevant verses. I don't know what you are talking about the deification of Jesus, go to the thread on how to describe trinity/godhead and see what I had to say about His deity, are you saying that you have not read them or that you missed them? You better abandon those Islamic glasses before they cause total blindness. So you are depending on me to remind you of the verse that says that you should learn from the people of the book! Is this because you have been spending most of your time reading the Bible that you think has been corrupted?

LMAO . My Islamic glasses are intact but you should find solution to yours .I would prefer you serving me the verse and we look at it together and would explain the difference between the xtian then and yours now. I stopped responding to the thread because I left you with some facts and even verses which you didnt attend to here:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-68474.32.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-68474.32.html

Look at a blind man pretending to be asleep, is there any difference whether you close your eyes or not, you are still blindfolded so the fact that you now use opaque Islamic goggles does not change the fact that you are as blind as a bat. If you could see the light before you reverted back into darkness how dark is that darkness. A blind man who could see before he became blind would certainly know the difference between light and darkness but if he were to be born blind and then decided to put on dark opaque glassess what difference would it make? No man who was born blind and then eventually sees the light of the day will say that he prefers darkness to light. I said all this to say that you were never a Christian, you never new Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, you might have been religious as many people are today but you never saw the light of the glorious gospel as revealed in the Bible.

Oga, I dont blame you since you dont believe yourself. Go through my posts and would see for yourself. You are sad abni, pele ore, such is life, I have seen the light and have been showing the truth through my posts and I would continue praying for you. The similtude of Jesus is like that Adam and he was a prophet and Messenger of God sent to Israel ALONE. What Gospel are you referring to, is it Matthew, Mark, Luke or John abi its Paul's? . Besides, hope you have seen my response to your suppossed contradictions, please let me have more and would explain them to you

Answers to all these had been given by others and myself, I even gave you references to check up on but I don't think you really want to know the truth, what you want is just to argue blindly.

Point of correction, Bastage and the reast have not been able to. I gave you verses saying different things and Bastage even brought a link in which I showed him the verse. Oga. Read my rebuttal and educate yourself on that verse. Bible contradicted itself

I've got to go now to attend to important issues and I'll be right back.

Go come my brother and bring something when coming back o

@Todak

Post them here for me please

Jazakhallah. I keep learning from my intelligent brothers and sisters. May Allah continue to increase ur knowledge

@Noetic

do u actually re-read the rubbish u post? if u do, the foolishness of their contents will amaze u.

Really, No foolishness in my post but you are the one fooling yourself. Bring out your problem in my post and counter it, Olodo

u dont ask questions, when u manage to do, u get answers.

Have you able to provide answers to the threads opened for you and questions asked in other threads?

but whenever u are asked about the lies of "allah" and "mohammed", u start ranting annoyingly.

Liar, show me where all your recycled questions have not been answered.

@Todak

And finally this is where i can never agree with you, this is a kindergaten mathematics, and i can not be fooled by muhammad's inaccuracies, now, allah made the earth in two days, and when we are talking of the earth today, it invovles everything inside and on it, like the mountains, ocean, valleys etc, so what you are expalining to me here,is that the earth was far too big for allah to complete in two days as stated in the previous verse and later he (allah) completed the earth in four days, and that makes it six good days. it is very clear
ABSOLUTE BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!, , Babs i really want to trust you by making you the pythagoras of NL but i do not want you to fail me, this is simple mathematics, a two year old baby can do the calculation, and even you have been contracdicting your self, you said earlier that

Oga, do you know more than the creator? He states that He created earth in two, and you should ask yourself why the bible says that God rested on Sabbath and why he did that


Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?


AND

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

Oga its not a blasphemy, I quoted Quran for you and its very straight and self explanatory

I believe it was a mistake you will correct that, cos you are the best mathematician here, seriously speaking you are good at it and you know everyone makes mistakes, so i implore you to correct that, cos no fool can accept that false mathematical theory you proposed, blabs, not acceptable. the quranic verses even speak for them selves,

My dullard friend, its not a mistake but you should register for night class or adult education in order to upgrade yourself . Read yourself, its self explanatory.

another TWO days for the heavens], so it is practically and theoritically impossible for allah who could not complete the earth in TWO days to complete the heavens with the TWO days he used to create the Earth. Mathematical Error! Mathematical Error!!Mathematical Error!!! Mathematical Error!!!!

Todak, why making denials and giving yourself HBP? The Creator said he did His creation like that and who I am to question him. Besides, the verses are straight forward.

Practically
Heaven 02
Earth(Incomplete) 02
Earth (al that's in it) 04
total 08 not 06.

Come on my Olodo friend .

Creation of Earth alone = 2 days
Creation of Mountains, blessings and other things takes extra 2 days making it to be 4 days.
Creation of heaven takes another 2 days totalling 6 days altogether.

@Todak

Babs i have given you an answer, it is up to you to accept or reject it. goodluck,

Can I have the questions please?

@Davidylan

Has anyone observed allah's obsession with the jews? Why are VIRTUALLY ALL the stories in the quran about the Jews and NONE about the alleged firstborn of Abraham (Ishmael)?

Dullard ./ It is there and we have argued this in several threads. Dont bring your ignorance here again

where are the ishmaelite journeys, kings of old, prophets?

why has EVERY story in the quran SURPRISINGLY got a similar one in the bible?

Olodo, do Torah, Injil, Quran not come from the same creator?

@Olaadegbu

The sun sets into a muddy spring.  Surah. 18:86

83. They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story."

84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.

85. One (such) way he followed,

86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

87. He said: "Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before).

“fi ra’y al-`ayn wa illa fahiya a’zamo min ad-dunya” meaning “it appeared to his own eyes otherwise the sun is bigger than the earth.”

The Qur’anic statement is clearly metaphorical and understood same.


From the book of tafseer:

“Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun…”,

means that Zul Qarnain followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun’s setting, which is the west of the earth.

It is quite impossible for him to have reached wher the sun set.

“he found it setting in a muddy spring…” means that he saw the sun as if it were setting in the ocean. This is something that everyone who goes to the coast or beach can see: it looks as if the sun is setting into the sea, but in fact it never leaves its path in which it is fixed. The muddy spring or hami’a[/b]h is derived from the word [b]hama’ah which means ‘mud’.

Olaadegbu, since you have problem with that, do we say Queen of the South came from the ends of the earth as claimed by your bible in Luke 11 v31:

The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one[i] greater than Solomon is here. ?

Misconceptions about conception: sperm? Clot of blood? baby?  Surah. 23:14, 36:4

Kai na wa for Olaadegbu

This is what I have in:
23:14

Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

Read this for understanding:

Quran 23 v 12-14: "Man we did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then we placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then we made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot we made A (foetus) lump; then we Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be ALLAH, The Best to create!"

Or

Quran 22 v 5:                                                                                
"we created you Out of dust, then out of Sperm, then out of a leech-like Clot, then out of a morsel Of flesh, partly formed And partly unformed."

You posted this again:

36:4

This is the verse:

4. On a Straight Way. [/b]

Doesnt relate


[b]Seven heavens.  Sun, stars in the lowest heaven.  Surah. 41:12

This is the verse:

12. So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.


I cant see Sun in the lowest heaven therein.[color=#990000][/color]

"Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were one solid mass which We tore asunder, and that We made every living thing of water?" (AI-Anbia :30)

The Seven Heavens: After Allah created the Earth, He created the seven heavens. Each heaven is a solid body that is held up without any pillars. The heavens are separated. From one heaven to the other is a distance of five hundred (500) years, and every heaven has a gate.

"We made the heaven like a canopy and provided it with strong support; yet from its signs they turn away" (Al-Anbia :32).

When the earth gets near some of the orbits of these celestial bodies, they will fall down on earth as meteoriods or asteroids as a result of the force of its gravity.
But God's Mercy has saw to it that we have our atmospheric envelope to protect us and burn before it reaches the earth except in a few rare cases as said by Allah:
 
"He held the sky from falling down (that it shall not do) except by His own will. Compassionate is Allah and Mercifu is he to man" (AI-Hajj :65)

Heaven has stages and every individual would occupy the one that fits his deeds.
 

If you live in glass house don't throw stones.

I threw this and what have u done?

Continuation


@Olaadegbu

6. Judges 7 (Gideon), 1 Sam 17 (saul) confused. Surah. 2:249

When did you start reasoning like David, Todak, Noetic etc? The story may looks similar but the accounts are different. Are you saying we dont have similar stories in the bible?

If you had been honest to yourself, you would have seen that the story differs in such that:

Quran 2 v 246: Hast thou not Turned thy vision to the Chiefs of the Children of Israel after (the time of) Moses? they said to a prophet (That was) among them: "Appoint for us a king, that we May fight in the cause of Allah." He said: "Is it not possible, if ye were commanded to fight, that that ye will not fight?" They said: "How could we refuse to fight in the cause of Allah, seeing that we were turned out of our homes and our families?" but when they were commanded to fight, they turned back, except a small band among them. But Allah Has full knowledge of those who do wrong.

In the above verse, they needed a king as opposed to biblical account

The next verse follows:

247.: Their Prophet said to them: "(Allah) hath appointed Talut as king over you." They said: "How can he exercise authority over us when we are better fitted than he to exercise authority, and he is not even gifted, with wealth in abundance?" He said: "(Allah) hath Chosen him above you, and hath gifted him abundantly with knowledge and bodily prowess: Allah Granteth His authority to whom He pleaseth. Allah careth for all, and He knoweth all things."

Are you getting it:

249: When Talut set forth with the armies, he said: "Allah will test you at the stream: if any drinks of its water, He goes not with my army: Only those who taste not of it go with me: A mere sip out of the hand is excused." but they all drank of it, except a few. When they crossed the river,- He and the faithful ones with him,- they said: "This day We cannot cope with Goliath and his forces." but those who were convinced that they must meet Allah, said: "How oft, by Allah's will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere."


Hre is biblical account:

Now therefore go to, proclaim in the ears of the people, saying, Whosoever is fearful and afraid, let him return and depart early from mount Gilead. And there returned of the people twenty and two thousand; and there remained ten thousand[/b]. 4 And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people are yet too many; bring them down unto the water, and I will try them for thee there: and it shall be, that of whom I say unto thee, This shall go with thee, the same shall go with thee; and of whomsoever I say unto thee, This shall not go with thee, the same shall not go. 5 So he brought down the people unto the water: and the LORD said unto Gideon,[b] Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink. 6 And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the people [b]bowed down upon their knees to drink water. 7 And the LORD said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand[/b]: and let all the other people go every man unto his place. 8 So the people took victuals in their hand, and their trumpets: and he sent all the rest of Israel every man unto his tent, and retained those three hundred men: and the host of Midian was beneath him in the valley.

Having deduced that, we could see that the stories differ in the sense that the children of Israel needed a king because they wanted to fight but were given a king they didnt like and were tested to show how serious they really wanted to fight.

Get your fact right oga Olaadegbu

7.      Jesus' childhood miracles.   Surah. 3:49, 5:110, 19:30

3v 49. "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

Where is the contradiction oga[/color]



5:110:

Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

Where is the contradiction again?[color=#990000]

19:30
30. He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;


Where is it again?[/color]

SCIENTIFIC ERRORS:

The sun and stars orbits the earth.  Surah. 21:33

Let us read:
33. It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course.

[color=#990000]Oga, dod you read the verse before posting?[/b]

Eleven planets.  Surah 12

Didnt get this

A piece of the sky falls and kills someone. Surah. 34:9, 52:44

Must you lie Olaadegbu, I dont expect this from your type

This is the verse:

Surah. 34:9


9. See they not what is before them and behind them, of the sky and the earth? If We wished, [b]We could cause the earth to swallow them up, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them. Verily in this is a Sign for every devotee that turns to Allah (in repentance).

Are you sayng you understand simple English language

AND

52:44 Were they to see a piece of the sky falling (on them), they would (only) say: "Clouds gathered in heaps!"

Where is your contradiction?[/color]


King David makes an iron coat of mail. 

Surah. 34:11

11. (Commanding), "Make thou coast of mail, balancing well the rings of chain armour, and work ye righteousness; for be sure I see (clearly) all that ye do."

Na wa for you oooooooooo [color=#990000]

More coming

@Olaadegbu

Let us see what you termed contradictions.

You asked for it and don't complain when we table them before you in their categories. Here are a few of them for you to chew on.

RFLMAO . It is very glaring that you didnt read the verses before lifting them from one of your websites but would take the pain to lecture since you are ignorant of what you posted and you happened to be my very good friend

HISTORICAL ERRORS:


1. Ishmael and Isaac confused. Surah. 37:102

Let us read the verses please:

100. "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"

101. So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.

Does the above portray Isaac?[/b]


102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"

Oga, read again. Isaac was not born when the incident happened.[b]

112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.

113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to their own souls.

So you have seen that your bible contradicted and misled you when it said Isaac was sacrificed, saying 'take thy only son'. How could Isaac be the only son when Ishmael was alive? Even if he was not living with his father, Ishmael would still occupy the first position unless he dies. Put your thinking cap on and reason, can you deny the first its right simply because he is not staying with his parent/ He would still be as lng as he is still alive.

Judge your bible oga

2. One tree in Eden, not two trees. Surah. 20:120

Let us read the verse:

120. But Satan whispered evil to him: he said, "O Adam! shall I lead thee to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that never decays?"

121. In the result, they both ate of the tree, and so their unclothedness appeared to them: they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from the Garden: thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allow himself to be seduced.

Olaadegbu, I couldnt see two trees in those verses and where on earth did you see yours please?[/color]

3. Noah's fourth son drowns. Surah. 11:43

Let us read again:

43. The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.

Fourth son was not mentioned oga. Why not read first rather lying? [color=#990000]

4. Zechariah silent 3 days (rather than 9 months). Surah. 3:41

Let us read. Hope you are not tired of doing that?

41. He said: "O my Lord! Give me a Sign!" "Thy Sign," was the answer, "Shall be that thou shalt speak[b] to no man for three days but with signals[/b]. Then celebrate the praises of thy Lord again and again, and glorify Him in the evening and in the morning."

Where did you see 9 months? :oHow could someone not speak for nine months

5. Pharoah's magicians repent. Surah. 20:70

70. So the magicians were thrown down to prostration: they said, "We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses".

Where is the contradiction?[color=#990000][/color]


More coming,

@Olaadegbu

Yes. If you claim that there are any contradictions in the Bible then you are not a good muslim, as your religion teaches you that the word of God cannot be corrupted and that God is capable and able to keep His Words from corruption.

Stop crying foul here , my Quran didnt say the bible but Injil and Torah and could you tell me where God revealed the bible or who he gave the bible to?

Is the torah today the same as the one Jesus used? Quran came because of the corruption, go read Jeremiah and stop deceiving yourself

The fact that my brothers or myself do not reply you is because it would be an exercise in futility. The answers that you think you are providing are just plain denials and circular reasonings. If you want to understand the Bible your Qur'an has instructed you to ask the people of the book, who are the people of the book?

Where are the plain denials, have you been able to explain the deification of Jesus in that thread on Trinity with reference to the supplied verses? Feed me the verse and let me lecture you on that? When you are through, I would explain to you who the people of the book are and would also tell you that early christians are different from you. Go on serve me the verse, I want to learn from the educated 'people of the book'

Do you see what happens to those who have rejected the truth of the Bible? God gives them over to a reprobate mind to believe a lie, being deceived they end up deceiving others. No wonder you will continue to gravitate towards those who will lead you into deeper deception because you have refused to imbibe and believe the truth.

What truth oga. Save that crap. You cant at this stage blindfold me. I was part and parcel of you before my reversion, so save that preaching and my posts speak for me. I am happy as a Muslim and would die as one.

If the verses and chapters leading to and after the verse that you got stuck on says that Ishmael was a teenager (lad), and you insist on seeing him as a baby then your blindness that you are in is a very dark one, and until you open your eyes and see the glorious light of the gospel of Christ you will continue to remain in your darkness. See what he was called in the following verses 12, 17- 20, and (Gen.17:1,25; 21:5,.

Stop the ranting for a moment . Why the fuss when I quoted your bible for you ? All I aksed for is:

What age was Ishmael when sent away?
Do we say he was put on Hagar's back or
do we say he was handed over to Hagar?

@Bastage


@Bastage

LMAO. The pathetic Sola Scriptura argument.
It's been blown out of the water so many times, I'm not even going to bother.

Where was that. You are being ignorant or plain stupid by saying thar it has been blown out of water. Go ask a christian and they would refer what I said

There have been 1000s of authorised translations of the Bible from ancient to modern times. Nobody but a fundamentalist fool would claim that those translators are any more inspired than the next guy. Nobody but a complete slowpoke would suggest Timothy is an advocate for Sola Scriptura.

Oga, I dont know your problem since you are an atheist and no christian, I repeat that no christian would deny that verse because it forms part of their arguments. Abeg get a life if you know nothing about christianity.

It seems moving from Christianity to Islam was definitely the right move for you. You've just moved from having your head up your ass to shoving it in even deeper.

Sorry dude. My reversion has been justifiable. Average christian would tell you that the bible is 100% inspired word of God, so whats the fuss about? I am not being deceived like you.

@Todak


I could not see you in this thread again:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-256685.32.html

Hope its not cowardice


I have no time for story teling because I am tired of you people, recycling same old stories.

it's either you're incredibly stupid or purposely daft, can't you understand the difference between an author and a translator, it's no suprise,what do you expect from a follower of a peodophile,i might as well call micheal jackson 'holy prophet'

None of the above sir. Are your translators under any inspiration?

ok, then, i will furnish you with it:

How Many Days Did It Take To Create Heavens And Earth?
(Koran 7:54)
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days,
(Koran 10:3)
he Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days,
(Koran 11:7)
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX days,
(Koran 25:29)
He Who created the heavens And the earth and all that is between, in SIX days,

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and the earth in 6 days. But the verses stated below contradict the above verses and imply that it took God 8 days to create the heaven and the earth. Read carefully and add up the numbers.

(Koran 41:9)
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?,
(Koran 41:10)
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days,
(Koran 41:12)
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and,

Do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2(for heavens) = 8 NOT 6
This implies that Allah or probably Mohammed did not know how to add integers. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations, however Mohammed, as you will see, being an illiterate was very capable of making such errors.

Here is the link where I lectured one of your brothers on your 'dressed questions'
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-33066.0.html

@No2atheism

The reason for that is simple, the questions and answers have become too repetitive for my liking hence it has become too boring, hence rather than waste my time repeating the same answers over and over again, I decided to go over to go an flirt with some people over at the romance section e.g. FL Gators aka Ebony Silk.

Boredom can be an annoying thing, I have seen enough of babs787 and olabowale's repetitive/boring questions and incoherent answers (as a sign of how boring the religions thread has become)

That should go to your folks that have derive pleasure in 'redressing questions', going in circles and saying nothing sensible.

You may give me my repetitive questions and answers here. Let stop here because I have lots of posts to attend to.

@Todak

afterall, the quran made mention of Jesus Christ and the life he lived, so i am correct if i asked you to provide me answers from the quran, mr. blabs. Babs i have come to learn something about you, you are as sturborn and adamant as your forefather, so it useless making you see reasons, ok. whatsoever you croped out of the bible can only be swallowed, hook,line and sinker by your fellow slaves. it hold no outa of disbelief in christians, even take a look, you are standing member of NL, have you seen any christian saying that, they will leave christ as a result of what you said, you may, but i really doubt, ok. I have given you an answer concerning easter, so you take or go to hell to find your suitable answers, heh slave mathematician

I case you dont know, I was like you and would have been reading the bible more than. I couldnt see the answers you claimed and I even supported my reponse to Lady with links.

If you are up to a reasonable discussion, reply these and let us move ahead:

Does it has pagan origin or not?

When was Jesus crucified and when did he resurrect?

Chelsea of all clubs

Yes true fans dont decamp. I remain a gunner and would always be thoug I am enjoying Barcelona match and it doesnt mean I ave left or would be leaving. Its in my blood and I remain Arsenal fan for life.

@Todak

View the whole scene by your self and judge, he was to procreate for his dead brother and he spilled the whole thing to the ground, i'm sure if it were by the islamic law, his , will be cut away, abi, , and that dos not make God wicked, he does as he pleases, he have mercy on whom he will have mercy on compassion on whom he will have compassion on. so that's no point, it holds no water, let's dicuss the errors in the quran, i've started it from other post, and will give it out one after the other, since i learnt that topics that exposes the lies in islam are automatically deleted, i will start it under other treads,

I thought you claim that God Jesus never killed and he is Merciful God. You tried explaining one of them but you didnt to this and how could someone be killed:

"BUT ER, JUDAH 'S FIRST-BORN WAS WICKED IN THE  SIGHT OF THE LORD; AND THE LORD SLEW HIM.'' (Genesis 38:7).

Please direct me to where you posted the errors and let me have the remaining here please.

Read this link to see your 'dressed question' being answered
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-33066.0.html

I have found out that you keep recycling questions and when done, let me know. Bring your other 'contradictions with the verses'

watch out for the second question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, looking forward to reading that from you.

@Reindeer

I hope he comes back soon sha,
he makes for interesting read,preposterous or not!!
miss ya alhaji
come back quickly!hope hes well, does anyone have any info on him? i know he says hes in NYC would volunteer to look for him if i have an ad.

He is cool but very busy.

@Tudor

Are you blind? Watch the video abeg

One of the strongest battery : , I am not blind but quite unfortunate that I coulsdnt watch the video and it would be ideal for him to post the issues here for the benefit of myself and those that couldnt watch it as well.

You may as well assist him to do that friend

@Todak

And if you do not know, "by their fruit you shall know them", because there are fake miracles does not mean real miracles do not exist, and from you and babs point, you are telling me it is only the prophets that can perform miracles, babs do not refer me to one google or whatever, tell it here with quranic references ok, except for Isa and particularly muhammad cos littleb told me a prophet is know by doing on miracle to proof his prophethood and concerning Bonnke, he is a bonifide man of God, magic can do anything but not raise the dead, so do not give me that crab shit of comparing him with Oyakilome, they are two different entities.

Na wa for this Dude. Nobody is saying miracle doesnt happen but get it straight that its not a thing you assemble people to do. Please find out the meaning of the word 'miracle' and we take it up from there. How do you identify fake miracles from real miracles please?

@Tudor

Your fellow muslims like babs,uplawal,abuzola and co are all over the xtian section calling the bible a liar and insulting pastors they're allowed to go free. . . .

Point of correction. I didnt start what you are alleging but your brothers in the like of Davidylan, Noetic, Todak and No2ateism displayed ignorance when they posted silly rejoinders in Islam section, not being able to provide facts when answers are being provided and had to open like four threads which I tagged[b] 'strictly for Todak, Davidylan, No2atheism and Noetic'[/b]. This would have shown you that I never intended to bombard your section with posts but to caution those aforementioned people who showed that they dont know anything as far as 'religion' is concerned and funny enough, none of them was able to answer the questions in those threads except Lady and Bastage that tried coming to their rescue.

Go throug my posts and would see that I respond once in a while if it pertains to Islam and Muslims and I have no business in whatever you feed yourselves but such would be debunked if brought here just like Davidylan has been trying to fool himself with wrong interpretation of biblical verses and has been exposed several times.

Go to my profile and see when I joined. I joined NL as a result of their continuous bashing and I have created threads on issues as well but I found that we keep going back and forth and realised that its better to let each other be BUT would NEVER fold my arms when anyone whosoever is trying to be stupid. Islam is opened for scrutiny but you must be civil enough when bringing your questions and we discuss with facts.

it shows the maturity of the christian group and brings out clearly the savage nature of you and yor ilk. . .

Yes, you are perfectly right. Davidylan, Todak, Noetic, No2atheism have really showed 'maturity' in this section with their insults.

@Todak

babs you can give me answers from the quran, and also does your ramadan fasting and cresent moon has anything to do with pagan worship during the pre-islamic days,

Funny being. I asked you, so you should be able to provide the answers from your bible. My Olodo friend

@Todak

Abuzola, afterall, muhammad gave you an example, why not go ahead too and marry a 6yr old girl, or probably marry your cousin's wife.

I have been asking you one question in which you have not been avoiding or probably not inteligent enough to and the question is:

What was MARY age when she became pregnant?

@Davidylan

did you also request mods to delete his "insults and aspersions" on Christ and the bible too? Or is it only "insults and aspersions" when the person at the other end of the stick is the stone dead mohammad?

Let me have where I did that. I asked you how could God beget himself? I need your explanation to my post and the verses as well and not feigning ignorance

@Bastage

Translators translate. Nobody claims that they were inspired by god. Nobody at all.
Translating is an academic task - not a spiritual one.

Obviously, just like everything else, this simple fact is beyond you.

OK. You may check 2nd Timothy 3 v 16 for that

@Todak

You can ask muhammad that, well, incase you could not, read the whole story again and you will see, i could have answered but you will still be adamant like your forefather, so it's useless trying to make you see, since you want to remain blind, well, check the other post, and give me the answer i requested. slave mathematician ,  Huh Cool

Your God Jesus is a merciful God but:

"BUT ER, JUDAH 'S FIRST-BORN WAS WICKED IN THE  SIGHT OF THE LORD; AND THE LORD SLEW HIM.'' (Genesis 38:7).

"HE SPILLED IT ON THE GROUND . . . AND THE THING HE DID DISPLEASED THE LORD: WHEREFORE HE SLEW HIM ALSO." (Genesis 38:9-10).

@Todak

eeeewoooooooooooooo, you are still adamant like your forefather, i have told you, can't you see the difference, Ishtar-- Easter, do not fool yourself, cos you can fool no one except for your fellow slaves, ok, go to any lenght, ask any christian what is the meaning of easter? they will tell you, it is the celebration of the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ.

I am sorry is that is all you say to the links about easter celebration.

Does it has pagan origin or not?

When was Jesus crucified and when did he resurrect?

Thanks mr Todak

@Abuzola

As in reserve day and night workers. masalam may Allah forgive me if am speaking ignorantly amin

Lastly, d drilling- they use to go home and b4 d next day d hole is cemented, but why didn't they do division of labour
Why didn't they make a long ladder to scale the wal[/b]l ?

Answers are here and take note of my enboldened words:

They have continued to dig this erected rampart every day to escape from the barrier, but when they are almost through, they will postpone it until the next day. [b]Meanwhile, Allah will return the fort into a stronger state. T[b]hey will continue like that until Allah will want them to appear on earth[/b]. On this fateful day, they will return to their digging and find it so thin as they have left it. They will hurriedly finish the digging and troop out. They will wreck such destruction on everything on earth that the people will go into hiding. Allah will then inform prophet Isa (Jesus) that He has released these creatures from their abode and that He should take the believers to mount Tuur for no power can stand in their way.

Its Allah's wish to make it like that and for them to reason the way you have been since its not yet the time but when the time comes, Allah would make it easier for them.

What a disgrace? . I have told anybody that wants to hear that this team cannot give temperature. I had enough during CL semi final and cant afford to go through same again. I am enjoying myself now being a barca and would join you people by the start of the season. I am still gunners for life but want to rest till another season.

THIS IS NOT A HUMILIATION COS WE BEAT CHELSEA 3 - 0 NOT MINDING THAT WE SCORED OURSELVES BUT WE GAVE THEM ONE AND THEN BEAT THEM.

Trying to console yourself huh?

ITS 3 ZERO LEVEL SO NO ONE WON EACH OTHER.

If thats the case, how about the table?

ARSENAL WILL BOUNCE BACK NEXT SEASON AND PLS WRITE THIS SOME WHERE WE SHALL RESHUFFLE AND THEN BOUNCE BACK AND FROM NOW NEXT SEASON NO MORE TROPHY FOR MAN UNITED COS THEIR MATCH FIXING SECRETS HAS BEEN REVEALED.

Sure we would be unbeatable next season provided he resuffles and do away with his policy. Manu would never be able to take ay silverware come next season.

ARSENAL 4444444444444444      LIFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Yes I REMAIN GUNNER FOR LIFE BUT STILL ENJOYING INIESTA, MERCI, HENRY ETC

THANKS A LOT NIGERIANS

@Todak

I have no time to read your hogwash, so whats the topic so that we move on?