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@Tayo-D

You need to read the entire chapter to understand what Jesus was talking about here. Infact, it is a direct repudiation of the practices of The Great Religion where you have rules upon rules that are made by men. Chirstianity is not about how you wash your hands and carry out rituals that your brother is talking about. Rather as Jesus said in John 4:25 - God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." . Does this sound like anything The Great Religion offers? Absolutely NOT.

You response above reminds of a question on duality of Jesus which goes thus:
If God is a spirit and those to worship Him must do so in spirit, how come he is man when Hebrew bible said that God cannot be a man but a Spirit?

@Jesoul

my brotha I've been fine jare. I will even celebrate my birthday tomorrow by God's grace . As for husband and children - na you dash me? I like to think I'm still a baby oh!

So you are still SSS . Oya, im me privately so we talk

@Jesoul

If Jesus is God,

1. Who did he cry to on the cross that, 'my God, wh has thou forsaken me'?

2. Why did he say that no one is good but only the one in Heaven?

3. Why did he say that the one that sent him is greater than him?

4. Who did he cry to more than two times that the cup should be lifted from him.

Some verses are coming showing that God si greater than Jesus and they cannot be same.

@Backslider

The Doctrine that Jesus was 100% and 100% may seem confusing to young Christians. The truth of the matter is that Jesus was truly man and truly God.

Why do you like getting yourself confused . In a thread created by Olaadegbu, you said that the father, son and holy spirit are distinct persons and went against trinity but here you are supporting it again.

Now to you and you friends, let me know if you still believe in trinity and I will put aside all those facts I have tendered and we will go into the verses from your bible in which you would explain them to me.

@Lady

Dear I already know the history of Christianity. Not just from the Bible. No one has ever stopped you from digging deep into Christianity, but we are being stopped from digging deep into The Great Religion. If you dig deep enough, you will believe, trust me. I did read through and have engaged with you in other threads and still come to the conclusion above. Take it or leave it. If it hurts your feelings, sorry. Get over it.
I do practice what I preach.

I was like you before I got reverted to The Great Religion. There was nothing like christianity during Jesus' time and it was started by pagans and most of the doctrines have pagan origin. So if you are willing, I am ready to unveil some of what seem hidden to you as a christian. My quest for the truth made me familiar with some of the doctrines preached by some of the church.

You said that you engaged me in some threads but you and I never did that much and the only one I remembered vividly is the one you told me that it was you and Olabowale that were discussing bla bla bla.

Nothing hurts me. I was just trying to refer you to one of your posts towards me where you told me not to interfere in your discussion.

Lastly, if you really want to know the truth about christianity, then you have me beside you. Take it or leave, you would gain nothing by dying as a christian because Jesus was never one and never knew what christianity is all about.

@4him

Isaiah 40: 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Isaiah 11:12 : And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.


Revelation 7:1: And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 

How can the bible claim that the sun and stars where not created when their creation is clearly described in Genesis?

Can I have the creation of the sun and stars from your bible please?

@Piacere

You said the hadith did not say that Mmohammmed compelled non-Mmusslimms, I never said it did, but he sure compelled Mmusslimms. Unless of course you think burning people in their homes as a punishment for not attending prayers is not compulsion.

I now see that you dont understand what compulsion is. If you ar saying that he compelled muslims, which muslim did he do that to during his time and who did his companion punish for such?

And by the way I have read several books detailing his life and it all depends which one you want to believe. Me, I think there is some truth in most of them. Good points and bad, but I don't expect you will believe anything other than what you want to believe.
My time is precious too, and if I was of the mind I could also say that I didn't want to waste it on your sermon , "Three Different Natures" as it is full of stuff that is, to use your words, ", what is nothing and cannot be proven".

I dont argue blindly, I prefer facts be it from My Q uran or any Islamic source or even from your bible. If you are ready for rebuttal, its ok by me too.

@Backslider


You and I engaged in discussion when you were confused about six days of creation and I had to enlightened you and it took you time to accept the fact because of your inclination to falsehood and I think you and I can still do again.

@Lady

I don't understand why u and the rest of the muuuuslim posters, most especially Frizy, are still thinking that this gospel is true. It is not.
I am writing to you because you seem to be the only sensible one in the group.

Do you practice what you preach at all? If I reply to your post you would be saying another thing but here you are posting without first reading through what you are sending. Maybe you and your folks should let us dig deep into the history of christianity and maybe by the time we are through, you would realise the truth provided you are ready to do away with your pride, arrogance and embrace the truth. I am very sure that by the time we shed light on the origin of christianity, you and 4him will disagree, you being a catholic and him being a protestant.

@4him

Thou hypocrite
Actually it is the qu'ran that declares that the earth is flat and that the sun sets in a muddy spring.
T[b]he book of job/psalms clearly talk of God sitting on a spherical earth[/b]

Are you sure that you are conversant with your bible?

@4him


Barnabas was born in a Jewish family of Cyprus. His original name was Joses or or Joseph. Because of his devotion and loyalty to Prophet Jesus and his sacrifice, other apostles surnamed him Barnabas (Acts 4:36-37).

Among the disciples of Prophet Jesus, Barnabas was a dynamic evangelist and commanded great respect. he was a close companion of Prophet Jesus. The Bible refers to him as an "apostle" (Acts 14:14), and "a good man, full of Holy Spirit and of faith" (Acts 11:24). There are many more verses in the Bible (Acts, Galatians, and Colossians) which refers to the name of Barnabas and his activities. It says in Colossians 4:10, "if he comes to you, receive him."

Prophet Jesus was literate but did not write or dictate the messages he received from God. After he had left t his world many people wrote about his life and teachings, which are known as Gospels. Over one hundred gospels were written. The author of one of the Gospels was the Apostle Barnabas.

After Prophet Jesus had departed, rivalry appeared among his followers. Some wanted to follow his teachings, practices and principles without any deviation, while others wanted to sacrifice them for the sake of spreading Christianity, specially among Greeks and Romans. Barnabas belonged to the first group while Paul belonged to the second.

Rivalry between the various factions continued for centuries and resulted in great loss of lives. In 325 A.D. the followers of Paul gained control at the council of Nicea and immediately ordered great changes. They canonized the four Greek Gospels to be destroyed. Included in those were 'The Gospel of Nazarenes', the Gospel of Egyptions, and 'The Gospel of the Hebrews'. The only Gospel written in Aramaic, the language that Prophet Jesus spoke, was destroyed.

The council of Nicea established the cardinal doctrine of Christianity, Trinity (by Athanesius of Alexandria)

The council also changed the birthday of Prophet Jesus to 25 December to match the birthday of Sun-God Mithras, and shifted the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

The Gospel of Barnabas is the most authentic Gospel available today. Barnabas was a companion of Prophet Jesus and was filled with Holy Spirit.

David, why do you accept letters of Paul as part of NT and disregarded that of Barnabas when we read in the bible that he is: an apostle, a man full of holy spirit and of faith etc and please where is his letter that happened to be part of the NT but later removed?

As-salam Alaekun Warahmotullah Wabarakatuh

Three Different Natures



In the creation of Allah the Almighty there are three different types: the first is that given to absolute obedience and complete self-surrender whose role is completed with its submission and is manifested in the angels prostrating, one and all, to Adam as commanded by their Lord.

The second type is that of absolute disobedience and spiteful arrogance, while the third is that of human nature. We will concentrate on the characteristics of the latter two types and how they work.

Allah the Almighty says

{And [Allah] said: "What has prevented you from prostrating yourself when I commanded you? He [Iblis] answered: "I am nobler than he: You created me out of fire, while You created him out of clay."} (Al-A`raf 7: 12)

Here Iblis claimed for himself a private opinion and a right of discretion to consider whether or not to comply with an order given by Allah the Almighty. He wanted to base the justification of his action on what was apparent to him. Needless to say, when a clear order is given by Allah the Almighty no one has the right of discretion. The only thing that remains is complete obedience and perfect compliance.

However, fully aware that Allah is the Creator and Sustainer of all creation who controls the universe to the extent that nothing takes place without His permission and consent, Iblis refused to comply, justifying his disobedience by his own logic: ("I am nobler than he: You created me out of fire, while You created him out of clay."(Al-A`raf 7: 12)

Immediately, he received the correct answer to his arrogance:

{He [Allah] said: Off with you hence! It is not for you to show your arrogance here. Get out, then; you will always be among the humiliated.) (Al-A`raf 7: 13)

Neither Iblis's knowledge of Allah the Almighty nor his belief in His existence and attributes were of any benefit to him. The same applies to anyone who receives a divine order and claims for himself a degree of discretion about whether to accept or refuse that order, or claims the right to refuse the ruling of Allah the Almighty on any question whatsoever; for this entails disbelief in spite of knowledge and certitude.

Iblis was not at all lacking in either his knowledge of Allah the Almighty or his certainty of His attributes. He was expelled from Heaven and deprived of the grace of Allah the Almighty. He incurred the displeasure of Allah the Almighty and was condemned to permanent humiliation.

Evil and obstinate as he is, Iblis does not forget the cause of his expulsion and the fact that Allah the Almighty is displeased with him. This cause was Adam. Iblis does not want to accept his miserable fate without trying to avenge himself. Furthermore, he wants to fulfil his task in accordance with the evil nature that he has come to symbolize, according to the words of Allah the Almighty

{He [Iblis] said, "Grant me a respite until the Day when all will be raised [from the dead]." Allah replied: "You shall indeed be among these granted respite." He [Iblis] said, "Since You let me fall in error, I shall indeed lurk in ambush for them all along Your straight path, and I shall most certainly fall upon them from the front and from the rear, and from their right and from their left; and You will find most of them ungrateful." (Al-A`raf 7:14-17)

His attitude, then, is one of complete determination to follow the path of evil, and absolute insistence on trying to lead people astray. Here we see his nature revealing its main characteristic; that of a deeply entrenched, deliberate evil, and not a passing or temporary one.

We also see here a concrete outline of thoughts, concepts and reactions that are all portrayed with exceptional vividness. Iblis requested his Lord to give him respite until the Day of Resurrection. He knew that what he was asking could only be granted by the will of Allah the Almighty who granted his request and gave him respite until the {Day of the appointed time} as it is described in another surah (i.e., Sad 38: 81).

As he has been granted prolonged life, Iblis announced with wicked arrogance that he would concentrate his efforts in leading astray the very creature on whom Allah the Almighty bestowed His honor and who was the cause of Iblis's own tragedy and rejection. His endeavor to tempt human beings away from the right path is shown here by drawing the practical import of what he declared

{I shall indeed lurk in ambush for them all along Your straight path, and I shall most certainly fall upon them from the front and from the rear, and from their right and from their left.} (Al-A`raf 7:16-17)

He always wants to be close to the straight path watching for Adam and his offspring, trying to turn away any human being who tries to pass along this way. The way to Allah the Almighty cannot be a concrete one, because Allah the Almighty is above being confined to a certain place. It is, then, the road of faith and obedience which leads to His pleasure. Iblis, then, will have to come at human beings from every direction.

{I shall most certainly fall upon them from the front and from the rear, and from their right and from their left and You will find most of them ungrateful.} (Al-A`raf 7:17)

His constant aim is to continually seek to prevent them from believing in Allah the Almighty and obeying Him. This is a very lively portrait of Iblis falling upon human beings. He continually endeavors to tempt them away from the path of Allah the Almighty so that they cannot believe in Him or show their gratitude to Him, except for a small number of them who manage to escape his evil efforts: {"You will find most of them ungrateful." (Al-A`raf 7:17)

In this verse we find the reason for the lack of gratitude on the part of human beings. Its real cause is Iblis's endeavor and the fact that he lurks in ambush for human beings to prevent them from believing in Allah the Almighty. Human beings are then alerted to the designs of their enemy who constantly try to stop them from following divine guidance. They should be on their guard, since now they know the reason for their ingratitude.

Iblis's request has been granted because Allah the Almighty has willed human beings to find their own way since their nature is susceptible to both good and evil. Furthermore, the human being has been given a mind to think, reflect and choose, and has been given reminders and warnings through the messengers of Allah the Almighty. Furthermore, human beings have been given the means to control and correct themselves.

It is the will of Allah the Almighty that human beings receive signals of right guidance and error, and that goodness and evil should have their conflict within them so that their faith is determined in accordance with the law Allah the Almighty has set in operation. Thus, the will of Allah the Almighty is accomplished by testing human beings. Whether they follow right guidance or go astray, the law of Allah the Almighty is thus accomplished.

The verses quoted above do not state clearly that any permission has been given to Iblis to put his threat into effect. At least not in the same way; as the verses clearly state his request to be given respite has been granted. We are not told the result of that threat; however, we are informed of Iblis's humiliating expulsion and that he had fallen completely from grace.

Furthermore, these verses tell us that Allah the Almighty has warned that He will fill Hellfire with Iblis's offspring along with all those human beings who follow him into error: {He [Allah] said: 'Get out of here, despised, disgraced. As for those of them that follow you, I shall fill Hell with you all. }(Al-A`raf 7:18)

His followers among human beings may simply follow him in his knowledge of Allah the Almighty and his belief that Allah the Almighty is the supreme deity and overall Lord, but they may, nevertheless, reject His sovereignty and legislative authority. They may follow Iblis in claiming that they have discretion to look into the orders of Allah the Almighty and determine whether or not to implement them. On the other hand, Iblis's human followers may simply follow his footsteps and thus, be turned away from guidance altogether. Both situations represent following Iblis and both earn Hellfire as a reward.

Allah the Almighty has granted Iblis and his offspring the chance to lead people away from the right path. At the same time, He has also given Adam and human beings in general, freedom of choice so that He can put them to the test. It is this choice that makes man a special type of creation: he belongs neither to the realm of the angels who obey Allah the Almighty in all situations nor to the world of the devils who disobey Him all the time. Man has a totally different role to play.

Maa Salam

@Picacere

Babs787, my original post was on may 3rd at 8:30 pm. Anyway once again here is the info you requested. Bukhari vol 1, book 11, number 626.

Brother, I have checked and found it to be Bukhari Volume 1, 1.626 and not book II you posted up.

Narrated Abu Huraira,   The Prophet said, No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the Isha prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh dhin (call maker) to pronunce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer, along with their houses."

Now you claimed that the above happened to be a compulsion, please did he compel non-great ones?

If you care to know, he used that statement to show the importance of Fajr and Isha prayers respectively. You have no case brother and if you think he did that, go and read his biography and you would see that after the war and even during the war, he allowed non great ones to go on with their worship, business etc and great ones act as their protector.

Goggle it out and read yourself because I don't have to waste my precious time over what is nothing and cannot be proven.

@Justcool


Why are you still deceiving yourself with trinity when you have been shown the truth? Go to the beginning of this thread and read my rebuttal to Olaadegbu.

Also, you may read that of your brother, Backslider here and if not satisfied, let me know, then I serve you verses from your bible showing that Jesus cannot be God nd trinity happened to be a later insertion.

@Lady

I know it helped me a lot. I most certainly know where the truth lies-----in Christianity.

I was like you before Allah opened my eyes. By the way, you said that you are still reading Surah Baqurah and when you are through, table what you think as issues and we discuss.

@ poster

Please, try to lay your hands on one and read for understanding and I am sure you will gain a lot.

Honestly, you would see similarities in some accounts and difference in some accounts compare to that of the bible.

So feel free to read and learn about other's faith.

@Cgift

We know the people behind the various confusing translations of the bible. We know their attempt to create divisions and confusion in the church of Christ. You will not know all these or perhaps you know but will deliberately conceal it and use it to advance your own argument. To anyone who is interested in knowing Christ through his words, the KJV is the way to go. So, start and end with the KJV that is my own base for a debate.

Hope you are not trying to deceive yourself by preferring KJV to other versions?

So if your KJV happens to be the best, what happened to missing verses in other versions but present in KJV an funny enough, these verses present in KJV version cannot be found in original manuscript?

What happened to versions before KJV and please do you want me to take you to the preface of your KJV and its defect?

@4him

this is another typical half-baked attempt to dodge the issue. You NEVER at any point did the above you are claiming to have done. NEVER have you given any detailed rebuttals, NEVER have we discussed this issue and NEVER have i posted the verses directly to you

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If your memory is declining, mine is not. I can still remember when you and I discussed same issue and you provded verses from my book, telling me that Ishmael ws never mentioned and here you are lying that you and I never did . It is very unbortunate that I couldnt lay my hand on that thread you and I discussed same issue and you provided the verses.

Now please answer my questions rather than your usual beating around the bush example of dishonesty.

What is your question?

The sacrifice of Isaac has a significant symbolism in christianity. What is the symbolism of the sacrifice in the qura'n? Why did all'ah abandon ishmael for 4000 years?

How did he abandon him for 4,000 years? It seems we want to dig deep into the accuracy of the bible and compare with my book

@4him

even the qu'ran did not refer to Ishmael at all in its obviously plagiarised version of the sacrifice.
What is the significance of this sacrifice? What did it symbolise in the is'lamic sense?

Why (if its at all true) did all'ah ask for the sacrifice of ishmael and then abandon him for Isaac for 4000yrs?

I can remember vividly when you posted the verses and I gave you rebuttal providing the detailed verses and asked you who the verse referred to but till now, you havent given you response and if you would be honest to yourself, you would hve read that the versee referred to Isaac after the deed had been committed.

You are even asking what the sacrifice symbolised in The Great Religion when you yourself have been witnessing what it symbolises unlike christianity where it made no sense to you.

@Piacere

Babs787, you asked that I provide the volume of Bukhari's hadith so as you can look it up for yourself, well I have already given volume, book and number in my original post. You also say that you have learned that I didn't understand what I had posted. How did you learn this, and what do I not understand? You can't just come out with statements like that and not explain yourself.

Brother, I only asked you to furnish me the volume, the number and the reason for that is to look it up and check myself but you claimed that you supplied what I requested in your original post and if you care to read, below is your post and help to brong out the volume and the number from your post:

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I had not intended to post again but I cannot let babs787 rather asinine comments go unchallenged. You asked for a full quote of Bukhari's hadith. As I gave the reference for that particular hadith I assumed that most people would be able to look it up for themselves, but obviously you are not capable of doing that, so for your benefit, here it is in full.

Narrated Abu Huraira, The Prophet said, No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the Isha prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh dhin (call maker) to pronunce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer, along with their houses."

Tell me that is not compulsion. As for your remark that I am trying to deceive people, what part of your mind did that spring from? I simply stated that my post had been altered. I did not use the words, "The Great Religion." or "The Great Prophet", but yet they appeared in my post. When a so called moderator alters the wording of a post to suit their own agenda, then that is censorship, something that does not belong in genuine honest debate, and if you can't understand that then there is not much point in continuing. However, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and await your reply.

So where did you provide my request?

You also ask when, before his death, he carried out such an action. Maybe you don't believe this particular hadith, but I didn't make it up. You would need to question Abu Huraira, he was the companion who narrated this hadith, and as I am sure you know he is well respected within the Sunni tradition. Abu Huraira was either telling the truth or he was telling lies. What's it to be?

Well my brother, one thing you failed to understand is that, you just dont ccept any hadoith just they said it is hadith, there is a process for following hadith. Besides, I only asked to provide me the volume so thaat I check myself. I never claimed tht he was telling the truth or lying, just do as I asked and we get to the root of your hadith. Lest I forget, to you, the above meant that he forced them into accepting Islam huh? Dont worry dude, when you do as said, then we will dig deep and still provide you his sayings that showed that he never compelled people.


Lastly, please, if you have any issue to discusson with regards to my religion, you can always create threaad for thaat and we discuss because I dont want Seun to lock this educative thread

@Lady

I am actually reading it right now.

The more I read the more I come to the conclusion that it isn't God speaking. I went back to the beginning and this time I am going to read everything (not all today, lol) and I am definitely taking notes.

Good. When you finish taking notes, present your questions and we discuss.

Question: Who was the covenant with, Isaac (Isrealites) or Ishmael (Arabs)? I know there was a thread about it but I just want you or Olabowale to give me an answer.

If you are referring to the sacrifice, then you are making a grievous mistake by accepting Isaac and when you are ready, we re-open the discussion.

The Old Testament.
This is just my personal view, but it seems he couldn't understand the spirituality of God so he resorted to saying that there are things that the Lord will not do. Trying to understand God with human logic is difficult. He doesn't reason in the same manner as humans do. I will continue reading as the days go by and will give you an update of my findings. Cool?

Good, I will appreciate your finding but in the meantime, how could you say that he wrote it when he couldnt read nor write?

If he copied the OT, what part did he copy because we have it from Genesis, EXODUS, DEUTERONOMY, NUMBERS, etc and when you provide the area you thought he copied then we will dig deep into the OT  to see if he had done that.

This is a verse to start and will provide you similar verse from your book as we proceed

Sura 7 v 157 :Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them.

@Cgit

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The above is in King James Version authorised in 1611 and formed the strongest evidence for the Doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, 'the father, the word and the holy ghost; and these three are one' has been expunged in the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 and in many other bibles as it was a gloss that had encroached on the Greek test.


I john 5 v 7 and 8 in the New American Standard Bible read as follows; 'and it is the spirit who bears witness because the spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the spirit, and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement.


Also in the New World Translation of Holy Scriptures used by Jehovah Witness, you will find 'for there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement'.


Trinity is not biblical, it is not even in the bible, not in bible dictionaries, Jesus never taught trinity nor mentioned same. There is no basis or proof in the bible for the acceptance of trinity.

Lastly, i you still do not agree to my posts on trinity, let me know then I give you some verses from your bible going against trinity and you provide explanation on same

@Lady

I read it.

Can you please serve me wha you read that made to conclude that my prophet must have written it?

Funny we keep telling you guys the same thing.
Seems like Muhaaamad copied and pasted.

Where did he copy from? Table your facts please

Nine great benefits of reciting the Quran



Indeed to reflect on Allah’s verses is a form of worship that will draw one close to Allah Most High. This reflection is not a reckless and wandering one, rather it includes a study of the classical tafseer of the verses being pondered over, as this would fulfil Ibnul-Qayyim’s great advice, “Such as reflecting over a book which a person has memorised and he expounds it so that he may understand what its author intends by it.”

Indeed the Book of Allah is not a book like any other, it is the timeless Speech of Allah, not a created thing, the study guide for life and death and what comes after. Therefore it deserves a more careful study than anyone else’s speech. It necessitates that its reader return to the early narrations of those who witnessed its revelation and heard its explanation by the one deputed by Allah to rehearse and explain His Words to humanity (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam). For if one would try to ponder over the meanings of the verses without having done this study, then surely the filth of the time that he lives in and his ignorance of the correct application and understanding that the early Muslims had would cause him to understand some things not intended by Allah Most High, and therefore he would go astray, thinking to be worshipping Allah. So every sincere Muslim who hopes to earn Allah’s Love breciting and reflecting over Allah’s Book, then let him hold tight to the meanings explained by the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam), and those taught by the companions and their immediate followers, and the early scholars of Islam.

So dear brother and sister Muslim! Know that reciting and pondering over the Book of Allah, devoting your time regularly to its study and implementation has tremendous benefits in this life and the Next, so let us now look to just a few of them to attach ourselves more firmly to Allah’s Majestic Words. Each benefit stands as enough of an encouragement to shun any laziness we have and dedicate ourselves to the Qur’an.

1 - Reading and reflecting over the Qur’an fulfils an Islamic duty.

Indeed the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) summarised this Religion with his statement: “The Religion is naseehah (sincerity)!” So then Tameem ibn Aws, may Allah be pleased with him, then said, “We asked, ‘To whom?’” He said: “To Allah, HIS BOOK, His Messenger, the leaders of the people, and their common folk.” [Muslim] The sincerity that is due to the Book of Allah includes its regular recitation, learning the rules of tajweed and reciting it beautifully, learning about its tafseer and the reasons for its revelation, affirming that it is the Truth, the perfect Speech of Allah and not part of the creation, honoring it and defending it, abiding by the orders and prohibitions found in it, teaching it and calling to it. [See Jaami’ul-’Uloom wal-Hikam of Ibn Rajab Al-Hambalee] So by reading and reflecting over the Qur’an, one fulfills an obligation and is rewarded for that. Upon fulfilling this obligation, the Qur’an then becomes a proof for him on the Day of Judgment! And that is our second benefit we will take by embracing this Noble Book,

2 - The Qur’an will be a proof for us on the Day of Judgment.

This is due to the statement of the Messenger: “And the Qur’an is a proof for you or against you.” [Muslim] So one of two things will occur with this proof, the Book of Allah. It will either be in your favor, a proof for you on the Day when you will need every single good deed, or it will be something standing against you, the very Speech of your Creator, a proof against you! Who could be saved from the terrors of that Day if Allah’s own Speech is against him?!?! Think carefully, dear Muslim brother or sister, about your position with the Qur’an! Are you neglecting it, contradicting it, being heedless of its orders and prohibitions, are you thinking deeply over it?! Will it be on your side on the Day of Judgment.?! O Allah! We ask you, by Your Glorious Speech and the rest of your beautiful Names and Attributes, to make the Qur’an a proof for us! O Allah! Don’t make the Qur’an a proof against us on that Day, and save us from the hellfire! For if Allah makes the Qur’an a proof in our favour on that Day, then it would also be an intercessor for us, when NO intercession will take place except by His Permission.

3 - The Qur’an will intercede for us on the Day of Judgment.

The proof: Aboo Umaamah relates that the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) said: “Read the Qur’an, for verily it will come on the Day of Standing as an intercessor for its companions.” [Muslim]

4 - Your status in this life will be raised.

In Saheeh Muslim, we find a lovely story, about how a man from the people of Jannah, ‘Umar ibn Al-Khattaab, understood this principle. Some men came to question him during his khilaafah about the leadership of Makkah, they asked, “Who do you use to govern Makkah?” He said, “Ibn Abzaa.” They asked, “And who is Ibn Abzaa?” Umar replied, “A freed slave from those we freed.” They remarked, “You left a freed slave in charge of the people of the Valley (the noble tribes of the Quraysh)!?!?” So he answered them, “Verily he is a reader of the Book of Allah and is knowledgeable about the obligations of the Muslims. Haven’t you heard the statement of your Messenger: “Verily Allah raises some people by this Book and lowers others by it.”

5 - You will be from the best of the people.

‘Uthmaan, may Allah be pleased with him, said that the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) said: “The best of you are the ones who learn the Qur’an and teach it to others” [Al-Bukhari]

6 - There are ten rewards for each letter you recite from the Qur’an.

As an authentic hadith in At-Tirmithee proves: “Whoever reads a letter from the Book of Allah, he will have a reward. And that reward will be multiplied by ten. I am not saying that “Alif, Laam, Meem” is a letter, rather I am saying that “Alif” is a letter, “laam” is a letter and “meem” is a letter.” So increase your recitation of the Qur’an to gain these merits, and to gain the following merit as well.

7 - The reciters of the Qur’an will be in the company of the noble and obedient angels.

‘Aa’ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, relates that the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) said: “Verily the one who recites the Qur’an beautifully, smoothly, and precisely, he will be in the company of the noble and obedient angels. And as for the one who recites with difficulty, stammering or stumbling through its verses, then he will have TWICE that reward.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

So dear brother or sister Muslim, do not let the Shaytaan give you false excuses, such as “I am not an ‘Arab,” or “Its not my language.” This hadith is a firm proof against these whisperings. Dedicate yourself to the Book of Allah, whether you are an ‘Arab or not! The excuses have been eliminated and the pathway has been cleared for you to embrace the Book of Allah without holding back or offering excuses! And surely you will not hesitate to seek a teacher or a study circle for the Qur’an once you hear the last and perhaps greatest benefits of reading and contemplating over the Qur’an,

8 - Your position in Paradise is determined by the amount of Qur’an you memorize in this life!

‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Amr ibn Al-’Aas heard the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) saying: “It will be said to the companion of the Qur’an: Read and elevate (through the levels of the Paradise ) and beautify your voice as you used to do when you were in the dunyaa! For verily, your position in the Paradise will be at the last verse you recite!” [Aboo Daawood and At-Tirmithee, saheeh]

9 - The Qur’an will lead you to Paradise !

The Prophet said: “The Qur’an is an intercessor, something given permission to intercede, and it is rightfully believed in. Whoever puts it in front of him, it will lead him to Paradise ; whoever puts it behind him, it will steer him to the Hellfire.” [An authentic hadith found in At-Tabaraanee, on the authority of ‘Abdullaah ibn Mas’ood]

Now, dear brother or sister, that these nine benefits from the many benefits available can only be attained by a sincere commitment to the Book of Allah, not by a person’s mere statement, “I love the Qur’an, it’s beautiful.” Rather the heart must be sincerely attached to Allah’s Book and the limbs and tongue will follow in this attachment. You must know that we only mentioned a few of the numerous benefits of reading and reflecting over the Qur’an. There are many benefits that await your reading in the Qur’an and books of hadith, like the chapter of the Qur’an that will argue on your behalf in the grave, and that it is a physical healing, a source of rest and relaxation for your heart, among many other things. And Allah knows best. (Taken from Look 4 Islam)

@Piacere

I had not intended to post again but I cannot let babs787 rather asinine comments go unchallenged. You asked for a full quote of Bukhari's hadith. As I gave the reference for that particular hadith I assumed that most people would be able to look it up for themselves, but obviously you are not capable of doing that, so for your benefit, here it is in full.

Ok, let us read what you supplied.

Narrated Abu Huraira, The Prophet said, No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the Isha prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh dhin (call maker) to pronunce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer, along with their houses."

Before I give you detailed response because I learnt that you didnt understand the above, so will not waste much time arguing back and forth with you but will like to ask you few questions:

What volume is the hadith you posted so I go and check myself?

Secondly, since you believe that he compelled people into accepting Islam, can you please serve me where he carried out the above before his death?

@Backslider


Which do we believe from you because it seems you are supporting trinity but said in your post that they are three distict person:

The trinity are 3 distinct persons

Hope you are not contradicting yourself or confused?

@Lady

And I am still waiting for proof that the Qu'ran is the Word of God, other than Muhaaamad said so and it is said in the Qu'ran. SHow me the proof, because all you say from the Qu'ran in baseless.

Can you please serve your reason for saying that Quran is not the word of God but my prophet?

@4him

funny, its easy to spot fraudulent people.

The "letter of barnabas" and the "gospel of barnabas" are TWO CLEARLY DIFFERENT THINGS. Bros, ordinary google shld solve your hypocrisy.

I couldnt help marvelling at your ignorance. You claimed that letter is different from Gospel. Now if you would reason for a minute, is the gospel of Luke not a letter but it is called a gospel. Read from the beginning and acquire knowledge.

Now back to the issue of letter/gospel of barnabas which you are trying to deny, do you have the letter anywhere? Some may use Gospel while other may use letter and it mean same thing just like the gospel of Luke and others in your bible. So you have nowhere to hide bros

Carry on, I still dey around the corner dey read from una

@Piacere

One thing we constantly hear from the followers of The Great Religion is that, "There is no compulsion in religion." Perhaps someone could then explain the hadith of sahih Bukhari vol. 1, book 11/ number626. This hadith states quite clearly that The Great Prophet ordered the the homes, and the people in them , to be burnt for not heeding the call to prayers. Maybe you have a different meaning for the word "compulsion" but as I understand it and the dictionary explains it, compulsion it was.

Do you care to give us the full quote please?

When I take part in a debate and send in a post and find that the "moderators" have changed certain words of my post, even though that post was couched in moderate and polite terms,then it is no longer the act of a moderator, but the act of someone applying censorship. I will say my goodbyes to the other threads I posted on, but after that I will not visit this site again.

Brother, who is deceiving you? You didnt have liver to contribute in threads where Muslims and Christians have been having discussion but here to make mockery of yourself.

If you still want to carry on with your curiosity or what have you, create a thread and we discuss.

@Frizy

Salam and thanks for your posts and May He continue to guide you (Amin)




@4Him & Smile4kenn


Do you have anywhere to hide?
Now please read:


In the mid-4th century manuscrpt called Codex Sinaiticus, the Letter of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas are included as part of the New Testament (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 14. p. 814).

So the question to ask is, 'why did they remove it from NT'?

Anyway, carry on with the thread and I would come in when the time comes.

@Olaadegbu

I was tempted to reply to your endless questions but it dawned on me that it will make no sense trying to describe what the colour red looks like to a man born blind. 2 Cor.4:3,4;

Brother, stop decieving yourself. You know the truth but trying to deny the facts I have been serving you. You started thos thread on trinity and I have given you posts and verses from your bible to start with and ponder on but rather than go through your bible and read those verses again, you claimed that it would make no sense to me if you had answered me . The verses I have been serving you are from your book and not my book so you should be in the best position to do justice to that. Besides, I gave you straight forward verses where Jesus said he would be going to his father and that his father is greater than him and also some verses where Jesus claimed that God sent him and if indeed God sent him, how could they be same because the verses showed that the one being sent is lesser to the one that sent him and he also claimed that he came to do his will meaning that he is under obligation to do what the one that sent him asked him to do, so he is in every way lesser to God. Read your bible again for more understanding. I was in your shoe before I realised the truth and it is never too late for you as well.

Matthew 13:15-17 (King James Version)

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

Brother, enough of these. You can only tell that to one that is not used to the bible and not me. Read from the beginning of the verse and see who Jesus was referring to.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (King James Version)

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Our gospel . What Gospel is that, matthew, Mark, Luke, John or that of Jesus christ?

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

He mentioned Gospel of Jesus here but where is that Gospel but I could only laid my hands on that of mathew, Mark,Luke and John.

You are even giving me the saying of a person that contradicted himself and happened to go against Jesus' teaching.

My prayer for you is that the Lord would give you a believing heart and a hearing ear to hear and believe the glorious gospel till the Daystar in your heart appears.

Brother, the earlier you accept Islam, the better for you. You yourself know that all I have been giving you are from your book and not mine and if you care to know, I was a christian like you and that is the more reason I am preaching to you now so that you would be saved because I have tasted your religion, being born into it etc and found nothing therein because never knew what christianity is all about but was started by pagans years after his demise.

Stay blessed.