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@May Kelly

MY SWEET JESUS IS BORN AND SAVIOUR FOR THE WHOLE WORLD ISREAL ONLY JUST AS GOD HIMSELF IS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD ZIONIST

No. Your God was born by his creation . You said whole world Isreal, are you an Israelite or a zionist?

Olabowale "Read the Caption and Below also, Always see my sweet Jesus Christ as CHRIST FOR ALL not for Isreal nor Zion alone, In as much as the president of one's country does not show his birth certificate for all before ruling "HOW MUCH MORE THE ONE WHO KNOWNS THE NUMBER OF THE HAIR IN YOUR HEAD.

Ok let us read on.

John 3:16 ,
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He gave up His[b] only begotten Son[/b], so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

Ignorance is really a disease. You are still giving me this verse when John told you that he wrote this so that you may believe that Jesus is lord. If he did not lie, you would not believe him.

In order to know that John is a liar, he claimed that Jesus is the only begotten son but going through the bible we read some begotten sons of God and for your another knowledge, grab your bible and you would see that it was only John that used the word' the only begotten son' for Jesus. Nowhere in the other books do we have such a statement.

Still not a direct statement from Jesus.

John 3:18 ,
He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation--he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.]

Just like I told you above, Is jesus really the only begotten son? You can now see that John is as fraudulent as you are just like you input mecca in one of the verses above. Still nowhere Jesus said you should accept him as personal saviour and Lord.

John 3:36 ,
And he who believes in has faith in, clings to, relies on) the Son has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see life, but [instead] the wrath of God abides on him.

He was preaching and did not even say that Jesus said that you should accept him as lord and personal saviour.

John 5:25 ,
Believe Me when I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, the time is coming and is here now when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear it shall live.

What of those that have died? Still nowhere Jesus made that statement.

John 6:69 ,
And we have learned to believe and trust, and we have come to know [surely] that You are the Holy One of God, the Christ (the Anointed One), the Son of the living God.

WHERE DID JESUS SAY THAT YOU SHOULD ACCPT HIM AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR?

John 11:27 ,
She said to Him, Yes, Lord, I have believed [I do believe] that You are the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One), the Son of God, [even He] Who was to come into the world. [It is for Your coming that the world has waited.]

Still giving me the saying of fraudulent John but no single one from Jesus himself . Did Jesus say that the world was waiting for him and he came to be crucified?

John 20:31 ,
But these are written (recorded) in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ (the Anointed One), the Son of God, and that through believing and cleaving to and trusting and relying upon Him you may have life through (in) His name

Good the last saying of John where he made you to know that he just preached so that you may believe but still no statement where Jesus said tht he is your personal saviour and Lord.

Acts 8:37 ,
And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart a conviction, full of joyful trust, that Jesus is the Messiah and accept Him as the Author of your salvation in the kingdom of God, giving Him your obedience, then] you may. And he replied, I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME WHERE JESUS HIMSELF SAID THAT?

1 John 5:5 ,
Who is it that is victorious over [that conquers] the world but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on that fact]?

1 John 5:10 ,
He who believes in the Son of God [who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] has the testimony [possesses this divine attestation] within himself. He who does not believe God [in this way] has made Him out to be and represented Him as a liar, because he has not believed (put his faith in, adhered to, and relied on) the evidence (the testimony) that God has borne regarding His Son.

1 John 5:13 ,
I write this to you who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have life,

Back to the book of John again, the fraudster. He said that Jesus is the only begotten son whereas we have some verses having other people as only begotten son of God as well.

YOU SEE "JESUS THE SON OF GOD IS FOR ALL THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN HIM AS A TRUE SON OF GOD BUT NOT AS A PROPHET" RATHER "HE IS THE FATHER OF ALL PROPHETS!!!

Where did he say that he is the father of all prophets and where did he say that he is your lord and savior?

@May Kelly


I still perused your post and did not see where Jesus said that we should accept him as personal saviour and lord but have been giving from those that couldnt be held responsible to be the author of that book or dont you have Gospel accordong to Jesus to give his direct saying from?

A SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR A LOST SOUL

My Creator asked me to tell you this that: 'christians and Jews say that none will enter paradise except he is a jew/christian. Tell them (Jew and christians) that this is their vain desire, tell them to bring their proof if they are truthful. I have been asking you for your proof but you have not been able to grapping at straw. GIVE ME WHERE JESUS SAID THAT WE SHOULD ACCEPT HIM AS PERSONAL SAVIOUR AND LORD.

Matthew 23:13 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

14. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Therefore you will be punished more severely.

Matthew 23:15 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and

MECCA

to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

So you are this fraudulent . You really showed that you are a real soldier of christ. Must you lie
to decive people?

If you have been reading your bible for understanding, you would have known that the above verses were for the Pharisees and Saducees that were in charge of the Law. Moses told them similar thing when he knew that after his demise, they would change everything he said. Their case is like that of Dog in a manger. They have the law, yet they do not follow it. So how does this relate to me as a m u slim?

Matthew 23:29 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

Get your bible and read for understanding. I as a mus lim shouldnt be the one to be explaining your bible to you. When you are through, get in touch, I am always available

Emerging Light in Seventh Century Arabia
3/25/2008 - Religious - Article Ref: IC0803-3547
By: Javeed Akhter


The seventh century appears to have been a time of world wide moral confusion and decay. Christianity had divided into various factions and controversies surrounded the personalities of Jesus  and his mother, Mary. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches exhibited deep prejudice and intolerance against each other. In Persia, absolutism of the monarchical system influenced and controlled most aspects of the society. Zoroastrianism was also unraveling. In addition to the internal turmoil, Christianity and Zoroastrianism were in a constant state of friction. India and China were similarly morally adrift. India had thrown out Buddhism out of its birth land, and the old polytheistic practices were resurgent. The oppressive caste system, which Buddhism had revolted against, was as entrenched as ever. In China, at the same time as a great flowering of the arts, music and dance was occurring, there was a general sense of moral confusion. Many Chinese individuals claimed to be the followers of all of the three prevailing traditions: Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism. Buddha had been turned into an object of worship and huge statues depicting his likeness were commonplace. This was a surprising turn of events for a non-theistic religion whose founder had never claimed divinity, or prescribed idol worship.

The Arabian Peninsula, with the exception of Yemen, which was on the caravan route, was in darkness; Little was known about it to the outside world. Polytheism and idol worship were rampant in Arabia, as was tribalism and unrestrained pursuit of wealth and power. Most Arabs were nomads, who felt assured by tribal security. This stability was based largely on the tradition of "blood vengeance," which invariably resulted in an endless cycle of revenge. Society seemed even harsher in the cities. At the time, there were only a few cities like Makkah and Ta'if. A small number of rich and controlled the economy. Many of the poor were entangled in a web of usury riba. This system of riba turned them into virtual slaves, Slavery itself was commonplace. Women's status was also extremely deplorable and they were treated largely as chattel, which was essentially another form of slavery. Marriage, inheritance, and divorce laws reflected the chauvinistic attitudes prevalent in the society. For example, unlimited polygamy was widespread; primogeniture was the rule and Sons often inherited their fathers' wives. A husband could stop conjugal relations with his wife and abdicate all responsibilities toward her without divorcing her and letting her go free. This cruel treatment of wives called zihar (turning your back on something) was widely practiced.

Although females were oppressed and abused routinely (female infanticide was commonplace, and male progeny was a source of pride and status in society), the majority of deities were female. The three major deities, al-Lat, al-'Uzza, and alÂManat were considered the daughters of God.

Have you seen al-Lat and al-Uzza and the third Manat?
What for you the male gender and for Him the female!
(Qur'an 53:19-21)

The Qur'an refers to the practice of burying alive infant girls by posing this poignant question;

When the female infant buried alive
will ask for what crime was she killed?
(Qur'an 81:8-9,)

These injustices, inequities, and cruelties weighed heavily on the shoulders of at least some of the individuals living in Arabia. In spite of rampant polytheism and idol worship, some did have a concept of a transcendent God whom they called God.1

The Qur'an refers to this in the following verses:

If indeed thou ask them who has created the heavens the
earth and subjected the sun and the moon (to His law), they
will certainly reply. God.
How are they then led away ('from the truth)?
God enlarges the sustenance (which He gives) to whichÂ
ever of His servants He pleases;

And if indeed thou ask them who it is
that sends down rain from the sky
And gives life therewith to the earth after its death,
they will certainly reply God!
But most of them understand not.

What is the life of this world but amusement and play?
But verily the home in the Hereafter -
that is life indeed, if they but knew
Now if they embark on a boat they call on God,
making their devotion sincerely to Him.
But when He has delivered them safely to land
behold they give a share of their worship to others!
(Qur'an 29.' 61-65)

Ibn Ishaq records that there were at least four individuals in Makkah who had turned away from idol worship and polytheism and had adopted the monotheism of Prophet Ibrahim  (Abraham). Amongst them was included the important figure, Waraqah bin Nawfal, who later verified the authenticity of The Great Prophet's  Prophethood. These people were called the Hanifs (the upright men or those who turn away [from idol worship]).2

Born in 570 C.E. The Great Prophet  was orphaned early in his life and was raised initially by a loving but poor grandfather, Abd al-Muttalib, and later by his uncle Abu Talib. In these early years, The Great Prophet  emerges as a quiet, thoughtful and introspective individual. He earned a reputation for being trustworthy (al-Amin), diplomatic and wise. There was an incident in his youth, during the rebuilding of the Ka'bah, when a dispute arose over which tribe should place the "Black Stone" (al-Hajar al-As wad) back in its previous spot. The Great Prophet  solved the problem by placing the stone on his cloak and asked members of all the tribes to lift it up. He then laid the stone in its designated spot himself.

He proved himself a conscientious and successful businessperson and caravan leader. This business acumen and his widely known reputation of trustworthiness, thoughtfulness and gentility attracted the attention of Khadijah. An exceptional woman, Khadijah was a prominent businesswoman in a misogynist society. She had been married twice before and was a widow. Her marriage to The Great Prophet  was very fruitful and lasted until the rest of her life. They had six children, two sons who died as infants) and four daughters (Zaynab, Ruqayyah, Unim kulthum and Fatima).

Although married to a wealthy woman, the Prophet  continued to lead a frugal life and spent much time in meditation. His favorite place for meditation was the Hira cave about three miles from Makkah. He would spend the entire month of Ramadan (the ninth month of the lunar calendar, and later the month during which Great Ones were ordained to fast in order to practice abstinence and self-discipline to attain personal piety) meditating in this cave. This practice of meditating in seclusion, striving for wisdom and righteousness was common among the Arabs and was called "Tahannuf". The cave of Hira was where he received his initial revelation. However after he received the first revelation, which was in essence a call for action, the Prophet  never went back to the cave.

It is difficult to resist drawing analogies between the seventh century world and the state of the human morality in today's world at the turn of the new millennium. The nuclear man-woman, two-parent family, as a core unit of society has eroded seriously in the West. Brazen sexual exploitation in the media is commonplace and illicit sex condoned and even accepted. Violence at home, against women, children, and violence in the streets, is frightfully routine. Substance abuse is widespread, with United States as the largest consumer of drugs in the world. Alcoholism is rampant, especially among college students, with only feeble attempts being made to address the problem. The lessons from the AIDS epidemic are being swept under the rug of political correctness. African-Americans have been liberated as slaves for a century and a half, yet many are still trapped in an unending cycle of poverty and discrimination, which is a form of economic slavery. Because of a system that allows unrestrained growth of wealth without encouraging proper redistribution, economic disparities and injustices continue to grow at an alarming rate.

However, there are many excellent characteristics in Western societies, especially in the US, particularly freedom of thought, speech and assembly, a tolerant attitude toward eccentricities in human nature and an ambition to be a just and compassionate society. Many of these qualities, especially freedom of speech, thought and pluralism, are sadly lacking in many Great One societies. Nevertheless, the moral and socioeconomic scene of today's world is uncannily similar to seventh century Arabia before the advent of The Great Religion.

The unraveling of the moral fabric in today's society must weigh heavily on the minds of individuals with insight. They can draw personal solace and inspiration from the Prophet's  life. The Arab tribal society of the seventh century, whose structure was based on greed, debauchery, and violence, was changed in a very short time, by the Prophet , into a society with one of the highest moral standards in history. Compassion, humility, devotion to God and egalitarianism replaced the old well-entrenched tribal attitudes of pride in wealth, family and class, cruelty toward fellow humans and self-centered behavior. Women, for the first time in history, had rights and dignity, and the vulnerable and weak sections of the society were protected. Sexuality was removed from public prurience and became private and wholesome. Wealth was re-circulated so that even the smallest capillaries of the society were infused with energy and indigence became nearly extinct.

Those who are receptive to learning from The Great Prophet's  mission can draw inspiration and hope to reform society. Their biggest challenge will be to grasp the core values of his message by removing the accretions of cultural practices, vagaries of time and historical events that have confounded it. They cannot turn to any of the modem Great One nations to search for paradigms of The Great Prophet's  community during his life. In fact in many Great One countries and communities, anthropologists and social scientists discern the perplexing paradox of rapidly increasing enthusiasm for The Great Religion and respect for The Great Prophet , and the persistence of very high levels of corruption, tribalism, violence, intolerance and injustice, which are the antithesis of the very ideals which he preached and practiced in his life.

If the thoughtful analyst is successful in this attempt at understanding the core values of the Prophet's  message, then he is likely to come up with dynamic and innovative solutions to current and future problems. The approach by most Great Ones at solving current problems has been imitative rather than innovative.3 The lessons that the analyst obtains are likely to have universal value and applicability, as human needs and problems are essentially the same regardless of color, ethnicity, race, religion or the millennium in which the person is living.

@May Kelly

MY SWEET JESUS CHRIST, MY PERSONAL SAVIOUR AND REDEEMER IS INDEED THE SAVIOUR OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE

Where did you get that from?

Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

Are you expecting me to believe the letter of Luke written to Theophilus and shouldnt be part of the NT?

Luke never witnessed his ministry and he claimed to have received from some peeople and he did not even say that Jesus said we should ACCEPT HIM AS PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR

Acts 17:3
explaining and proving that the Christ [ Or Messiah] had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ, [ Or Messiah] " he said

Are you giving me Jesus' statement or someone that never knew him but gave his own story so that you would believe? He (Paul) even said somewhere in the bible that he preached that Jesus died and resurrected according to HIS OWN GOSPEL.

Still no sign of Jesus saying that one would be doomed for not accepting him as personal saviour and Lord.

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;

John made us to understand that he wrote this so that you may be deceived into believing that Jesus is really your Lord. Read the last of the book of John and grab wehat I meant.

Still no sign that we should accept him as personal saviour and Lord.

John 21:7
Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord!" As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, "It is the Lord," he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water.

Where DID HE SAY THAT HE IS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR?

Paul, Peter, Luke, Mark etc are TRUE DISCIPLES OF THE TRUE CHRIST JESUS.

May Kelly, please when did you start reading the bible and I am very sure your elders might have told you what posted above.

Do you have any proof to show that those mentioned above are truly Jesus' disciples?

Is Paul one of his disciples and your response will make me to give you his contradicting trachings.

Is Luke one of his disciples having forgotten that he never knew Jesus and claimed to have been handed the story from those that claimed to have witnessed same. Read the of the Gospel of Luke.

@Olaadegbu


Does your trinity has any biblical backing?

Was it preached by any of the OT prophets?

Did Jesus preach Trinity?

More coming soon,

@May Kelly

Truly it is not the first time. But it is called "GOOD FIRDAY" because the Catholics uses that friday as the remebrance day when Our Lord JESUS was crucified. Actually, is not that; is the right day he was crucified - is just for remembrance. Just as one celebrates his/her birthday. Since the death of JESUS reconcilled us with GOD - we see his death as a good one. Hence the good FIRDAY

You said Friday was not the actual day he was crucified, so please when was he crucified?

Jesus also gave the sign of Jonah as his only sign, so in what way was he like Jonah?

If you are giving just one one Friday out of very many a 'good one', does that mean all others have not been good?

@Sysuser

Olabowale please give me a picture of where the moon shows the mohammmed or alllah split it into two,

That should not be so hard considering that there is a lot of technological developments today that should easily be able to get you the picture

The earlier you grow up and do away with your infantile reasoning, the better for you.

You are asking us to provide where my prophet split the moon, common, why are you sounding that daft, you are expecting me to present a picture of my prophet just like you have been having different picture of Jesus christ and you have not been able to land hands and prove one to be his real picture.

Please grow up now, you are becoming embarrassing with your unreasonable posts.

@May Kelly


I realised that you posted same thing in two different threads!! Since you are inclined to falsehood, here is my response to your post.

You will perish if you have no i s lam.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-121443.0.html

@May Kelly

@Babs787, As requested read and believe,
You quoted me wrongly, I did not say that Jesus said we should accept him as our personal saviour. Read without bias mind.

I am not being biased but all I asked from you is to tell or show me where Jesus said that we should accept him as personal Lord and saviour and that someone would persih if he/she does not accept him as same?

You have been preaching that we should accept him as personal lrd and saviour and I am here asking you where he said that.

BELOW ARE THE WORDS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE FOR YOUR ABOVE

Ok.

Isaiah 62:11  
The Lord has sent this message to every land:“ Tell the people of Israel, ‘Look, your Saviour is coming. See, he brings his reward with him as he comes.’

”

Ok, the verse says Israel's saviour. Are you an Israelite? Is Israel not diferent from Gentiles?

Luke 1:69
He has sent us a mighty Saviour from the royal line of his servant David,

Which Genealogy are you using?
Do I need to believe Luke's statement when he didnt write to you but to Thephilus and his letter shouldnt have been part of the bible.

Luke 2:11
The Saviour—yes, the Messiah, the Lord—has been born today in Bethlehem, the city of David!

Did Luke witness his ministry and did he not contradict mathew, Mark or Luke?

John 4:42  
Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not just because of what you told us, but because we have heard him ourselves. Now we know that he is indeed the Saviour of the world.”

You have been serving me third party statement all these while, all I asked from you is to serve me where Jesus categorically said that.

The person that wrote the above just used that to preach so that you would believe and he even said at the end of his letter that, 'jesus did many work in which they didnt write down and they wrote the few ones down so that YOU MAY BELIEVE.

Also to butress what I said that he just preached so that you would believe, he happens to be the only one that used the 'only begotten son for jesus' and he did that so that you would believe him.

Acts 5:31
Then God put him in the place of honor at his right hand as Prince and Saviour. He did this so the people of Israel would repent of their sins and be forgiven.

Paul again. I told you to give me straight from his mouth. Can you vouch for Paul's authenticity by the time I bring out his contradicting teachings?

Acts 13:23  “And it is
Then theyone of King David’s descendants, Jesus, who is God’s promised Saviour of Israel!

Paul even said that he is Israel's saviour. You are not an Israelite but a gentile!

2 Timothy 1:10
And now he has made all of this plain to us by the appearing of Christ Jesus, our  Saviour. He broke the power of death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the Good News.

Give me where Jesus said that.

Titus 1:4
I am writing to Titus, my true son in the faith that we share. May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour give you grace and peace.

The above happened to be a letter and why was it included in the NT as part of the revelation to Jesus?

Titus 2:13
while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.

Still not Jesus' saying

Titus 3:6
He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Same as above

2. Peter 1:11
Then God will give you a grand entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Please give me where Jesus said he is your saviour and Lord.

2 Peter 2:20
And when people escape from the wickedness of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again, they are worse off than before.


2 Peter 3:18
Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen.

1 John 4:14
Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world

@babs787 WE DON'T READ JUST ARTICLES BUT "WE READ THE WORD OF WISDOM"

Sister, I read through your post but couldnt find where Jesus said that he YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR AND LORD AND THAT THOSE THAT DO NOT ACCEOT HIM AS SAME WOULD PERISH.

Salam all

@Maykelly

@Babs787 Below are the Answers from your question on:

The Power Name of JESUS Call HIS name you will be free indeed!

John 20:31
But these are written so that you may continue to believe that JESUS is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life by the power of his NAME.

Acts 3:6
But Peter said, “I don’t have any silver or gold for you. But I’ll give you what I have. In the NAME of JESUS Christ the Nazarene, get up and walk!”

26.Acts 3:16
“Through faith in the NAME of JESUS, this man was healed—and you know how crippled he was before. Faith in JESUS’ NAME has healed him before your very eyes.

Acts 4:10
Let me clearly state to all of you and to all the people of Israel that he was healed by the powerful NAME of JESUS Christ the Nazarene, the man you crucified but whom God raised from the dead.

Acts 16:18
This went on day after day until Paul got so exasperated that he turned and said to the demon within her, “I command you in the NAME of JESUS Christ to come out of her.” And instantly it left her.

Ephesians 5:20
And give thanks for everything to God the Father in the NAME of our Lord JESUS Christ.

Philippians 2:10
that at the NAME of JESUS every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment: We must believe in the NAME of his Son, JESUS Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us.

The above quotes are from those that you yourself cannot boast to have witnessed Jesus ministry. Can I have where Jesus said that if you call his name, you would be free from anything?

The bible was written thousand of years after Jesus left the earth and most quotes above are from Paul that contradicted himself in some chapters and never knew Jesus let alone witnessed his ministry.

The one he said in the bible was when he told them that if they have faith, they would drink poison and it would not affect them!! (So many have died as a result of that).

@4him

Who did your God cry to in heaven?

Why did he call Judas a betrayer for speeding up what he came to do?

Why was your God afraid of death and prayed to the extent of sweating?

@4him

Bukhari Vol 4, Book 52: 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
God's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: God's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

Why do you have eyes yet you do not see?
You have your senses yet cannot use them to think and comprehend but only to create mischief.

Read the hadith and most importantly the area highlighed and grab the meaning. It is very straight forward and self-explanatory.

@Poster,

Take it from there, your scholar said that they are the same.

@Nwando

I already see,thank you very much
I pray My Lord God almighty opens my eyes to behold more and more, the wonders of his majesty and the beauty of his Grace.
can I hear an Amen?

Which God almighty are you referring to?

Is your God the one that came to die for your sin and was afraid to die to the extent that he went and prayed up to three times and his sweat were as thick as blood?

Is your God the one that called someone a betrayer (Judas) for speeding up what he came to do (die for you)?

Is your God the one that was dragged by his creation to the the place of the skull?

Is your God the one that cried 'my God, why has thou forsaken me? In what way was he forsaken for what he came to?

Is your God the one that God killed on the cross (as put by you christians)?

You believe in your god jesus(as) why you don't even know who is the holy spirit and holy ghost? can you ask who invented those trinity and adopted by all christian as their prayer? you should know the AUTHOR OF THE BIBLE? BEFORE BELIEVING IN YOUR god.

I think they are still having problem with that TRINITY which was never preached by OT prophets and Jesus never preached same but was inserted into the bible by those that couldnt be held responsible as the original and real author of the bible.

Stimulus raised a thread on the logos but have not come back to answer some questions put across at him.

@4him

Pedophilia is not recorded ONCE in the entire bible as you have deceitfully and falsely tried to paint it. However we know of a man who married a 6yr old and disvirgined her at 9. continue burying your head in the sands.

Same old recycled story. If you have the liver, create a thread on the above topic and we take it up.

Amnon raped his sister Tamar, we all know he was punished severely. Besides that we have no recorded case of rape in the bible as you fraud have tried to paint it. However we know and read of rape cases in the hadiths.

What was the punishment?
What was the punishment of David:
1. for having sex with his neighbour's wife
2. for killing him in the battle field?
Can I have the rape from the hadith as done by my prophet?

Remind me of the man who famously declared - "I have been made victorious with terror" . . . Bukhari Vol. 4, Book 52, Number 220

Liar. Give me the full quote please.

Based on the above, we can conclude that you are merely struggling to read evil into the bible to have a leg to stand on. There is no more evil book that has ever been written than the kooran.

Really? If you have been deceiving your folks, you can never do that to Babs. Do you care if I give you the verses on evil from the bible and we compare? Also, there is no verse in the Great Book that mentions SWORD but your bible does that.

You fraudulently intend to use the garb of the biblical mighty men of honor to drape over moohammad's evil?

Keep digging your grave yourelf.

yup and i'm also exposing you fraud.

What fraud have you exposed dude?

@Mukina


Jazakhullah Khairan

Why do they say that christians must not eat anything that has blood?

Why is this Friday Good?

Does this means that all other Fridyas have not been good?

Why wont they eat meat now?

What is good about only this Friday and does that mean that all other Fridays have not been good?

@detruth

For where? They can't question it! Their great prophet came last to copy and manipulate the works of the Original.

Bird of a feather. What work did he copy and if he copied the bible, why are some parts not in agreement?

You have indeed dug out their carcass! Thanks for standing alone with the truth.

He has been doing that from the bible and he will continue doing that as long as Babs is around to expose you further.

You go over my response to him and get in touch

@Sysuser

Just like a typical .m.u.s.lim (son of belial) behaves, when the bible suite your lies ,

Then the bible must have been a liar

you quote and use it, however when it does not suite your purposes , you claim it is corrupted,

Thank God that you are admitting that

YET SOMEHOW YOU PEOPLE MAGICALLY KNOW WHEN THE BIBLE IS CORRUPT AND WHEN IT IS NOT, DESPITE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ORIGINAL VERSION TO USE AS THE REFERENCE, please stop deceiving yourself to stupor

Do I need to give you examples of the corruption? I have given enough in which you yourself couldnt defend and if you care to read more, you may go some of the links created by Tpaine and Bawomolo and read rather than deceiving yourself.

Concerning the bible,

Ok

1. Who corrupted it.

A very good question and it seems you are just waking up from your slumber. We have trated this very question and I will still put you through because God does not want the deah of a sinner like you but repentance.

Did God give Jesus the book from Matthew to Revelation?
How many Gospels did he give him?
Are letters written by Paul, Luke etc part of he revelation God gave to Jesus?

2. How do you know that it is corrupted

You are still asking silly question when your fraud has been exposed?

To know that it is corrupt, let me just give you two out of very many contradictions and you help me to explain the difference.

1.
In Matt. 21:12-19 Jesus cleansed the temple and later cursed the fig tree, while
Mark 11:13-15 says he cursed the fig tree and later cleansed the temple.

2.
12: In Matthew 21:1-11 Jesus entered Jerusalem and later purified the Temple (Matthew 21:12-16),
while in John 2:13-25 and 3:1-12 he purified the Temple and later entered Jerusalem (John 12:12-16).

Any explanation syuser?

3. Which original version did you use to know that it is corrupted

You are asking a very stupid question.

why are some versions omitting some verses but present in KJV?
Why are we having missing verses in early editions but present in later ones?

4. Can we also check those original version that you use to know that it is corrupted.

Do you care if I give you some corruption apart from the one up?

Grab some versions and compare then with KV before asking stupid question

5. How come your "uncorrupted" q'uran has so many nonsense and contradictions that its makes "Harry Potter" look like a holy book.

I have told you you to serve me those contradictions one at a time and we explain them. Why not do that if you have liver and if you are posting the truth. Bloody hypocrite

6. Can a demonically possessed man speak for God, if Yes, how can you know when he is speaking for God or when he is speaking for the demon that possessed him.

Are you referring to the bible? We have lots of examples from the bible that shows that the authors were NOT INSPIRED.

By the way babs787, the is no need to be equivocating and dodging,,  YOU CAN EASILY PICK AND CHOOSE FROM SOME OF THE LIES AND CONTRADICTIONS OF I.S.L.A.M THAT I HAVE ALREADY POSTED, WITHOUT NEED FOR ME TO CONTACT YOU AGAIN, AT LEAST THOSE ONES THAT I HAVE ALREADY POSTED ARE ALSO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION , SO PICK , CHOOSE AND DISCUSS,

No you are a liar that is not ready for a debate but posting to cause mischief and to get noticed. SCROLL UP  and read the contradictions I served you and you would see that I didnt give you more than you could respond to. If you really want to debate/discuss, then Babs is here and up to the task.

Question:

1. Do i believe Mohammmed who was a peadophile, murderer, adulterer, demonically possessed, contradicts himself, who could not perform a single miracle, sex maniac, hypocrite

Bloody Mumu, typing and posting without no sense. I don't really blame you because you learnt all about The Great Religion here. Create a thread and I will address your worries for you. I don't believe in story telling but facts, back your lies with fact and we dig deep into that.
or

2. Do i believe Jesus Christ ,

THE ANSWER IS VERY CLEAR AND EASY, DON'T YOU  THINK

Are you asking your pea-sized brain that question?

The site is not only for christians because Seun himself is an atheist.

4him


It seems you have lost the battle, try something intelligent to counter all I gave you and not beating about the bush in search of what to say.,

I went extra mile to give you a source not from my religion but all you could do was to post few irelevant things

If you up to a debate/discussion with facts, then you have Babs and not your maradona style of avoiding issues

@Nwando & 4 him

I read through your posts but still did not see where it states that ALL BLACKS ARE SATAN as being put by Nwando earlier.

@MayKelly

JESUS IS THE SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD. HE IS MORE THAN A PROPHET. JESUS IS A MESSIAH. JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD. THE WORD OF GOD IS GOD. For more details, read more about JESUS without Prejudice in the HOLY BIBLE "John Chapter 1 down to verse 34 GET TO KNOW JESUS CHRIST.

Once you mention that name JESUS in any situation - you will be free and free indeed.

I never wanted to read through this thread but had to peep in, when I saw 'woe to them that refused to accept Jesus as their personal saviour'.

Please can you show me from the bible where Jesus said that we should accept him as a personal saviour and Lord?

Once you mention that name JESUS in any situation - you will be free and free indeed.[/b]

[quote][/quote]Now, we have non-christians that do not call the name of Jesus and are better off than christians and vice versa. Now one thing you dont know is that, you will surely find your faith wherver you places it?

Now read this from one of my write ups


Human problems and solutions

Why did God allow multitude of problems to threaten our existence on earth? This had been the basic question which many great men in human history have been asking since time immemorial. And the Almighty God, the Supreme Creator gives the necessary answer thus:

The Great Book 2 v 214: Or do you (mankind) think you shall enter the garden (of paradise) without such trials as come to those who passed away before you? They encountered suffering and adversity and were so shaken in spirit that even the messenger (of God) and those of faith who were with him creid , ‘when will come the help of God?. Ah! Verily, the help of God is always near.

Furthermore, the Almighty God states thus:

The Great Book 2 v 155: (Oh mankind) be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hubger, some loss in goods, lives, and the fruits (of your labour) but (oh The Great Prophet saw), give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere.

Considering the above quoted verses, we are told that troubles and problems are part of human existence designed by God, the Almighty to test our faith and steadfastness in Him.

Some people believe that every good happening is from God while every bad thing and evil thing is from satan, the devil. This belief is certainly not true because to to hold to such a belief is to raise satan to the status of all wise and all knowing which is only for God. God states in the Holy The Great Book that:

The Great Book 6 v 57: the (supreme) command (of all occurrence) rest with none but God (the Almighty)

So, as great ones, whenever any good thing happens to us, we should thank God for it and equally whenever any bad thing happens, we should wholeheartedly admit that it is also from God. Considering those people who might wish to mislead us in our time of troubles by making us to believe that the problems we are undergoing is as a result of the acts of some devilish people, God commands us to reply them thus:

The Great Book 9 v 5: say!, nothing will happen to us except what God has decreed for us! He is our Protector and in God let the beliebers put their trust.

Or otherwise if during the time of our troubles and problems, a non-a great one approaches us and promises solution to our problems saying that if only we could accept any other beings as our personal lord and saviour, or follow him or her to their religious house, or to a herbalist, soothsayer, withdoctor etc. Almighty God commands us thus

The Great Book 9 v 129: say!, God is sufficient for me. There is no God (and saviour) but He, on Him (only) is my trust.

Also God states thus:

The Great Book 3 v 160: if God helps you, none can overcome you, (likewise) if he forsakes you, who is there after that can help you? In God then. Let believers put their trust.

In order to relive us of our worries and uneasiness and as an assurance that He (God) is always ready to hear and answer our prayers, He commands the Holy Prophet The Great Prophet thus :

The Great Book 2 v 186: when my servants ask thee concerning me, I am indeed close (to them). I respond to the prayers of every supplicant when he calls on me (but let them also, with a will to listen to my call and believe in me, that they may walk in right way)

Also

The Great Book 2 v 153 : o ye who believe! Seek (God’s) help with patient, perseverance and prayer, for God is with those who patiently persevere.


And equally also, God advises the generality of the Great Ones whenever they are in problems to always

The Great Book 7 v 128: pray for help from God and (then wait) in patience and constancy.

In addition, there are times when our prayers may seem unanswered by God, and if that happens and our faith is not all that strong, we might be tempted by the devil to seek for solutions elsewhere. But as sincere and faithful Great Ones, if such a solution should occur, we must wholeheartedly accept it to be the will of the Almighty God and continue with our prayers to Him. God says

The Great Book 2 v 249: God is with those who steadfastly persevere.

Moreover, if our prayer seem to be unanswered at times, it may be a deliberate act by God for our own good because granting of request by God sometimes may be to our own peril. This is so because God our creator understands our human psyche, hence, He is the best judge and best planner.

Therefore, He withholds demands until the time He knows our demands would be of great benefits to us. And to this end, God states that:

The Great Book 2 v 216 : but it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But God knows and you know not.

However, as faithful great ones, we should believe that God is our creator and also He, is the only one who can give lasting solutions to all worldly problems.

Maa Salam

@Nwando

Try this for size

"I have heard that it was of him that the apostle said, "Whoever wants to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal b. al-Harith!" He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him and then carry what he had said to the hypocrites. It was he who said: "Mu'hammad is all ears: if anyone tells him anything he believes it." God sent down concerning him: "And of them are those who annoy the prophet and say he is all ears, Say: Good ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the apostle of God for them there is a painful punishment." (Sura 9:61)

You see your life . Trying to change to mislead people as you have already been misleaded. You changed a whole verse and couldnt provide where it says all blacks are satan?

What a disgrace

@Jesoul

babs,
so are you supporting that their curriculum is so distorted? and teaches hate and discrimination? isn't this what your q'uran teaches?

Can I have what my book teaches?

@4him

No sir, infact it goes a long way to show that the God of Israel has no part with your arab infidels.
The title - God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob appears multitudes of times in the bible . . . NOT ONCE does it include Ishmael in that group.

The title "Lord God of Israel" appears multitudes of times in the bible . . . NOT ONCE does it include Ishmael.

Now which "god" do you think you worship with the jews? The very same jews that you all, al'lah and moham'med have a pathological hatred for?
The very same jews you want to drive out of jerusalem?
The same jews your very qu'ran refers to as apes and pigs?

Dear . . . arabs and jews don't serve the same God at all! don't come here lying through your teeth . . . where have arabs celebrated the hannukah, passover, feast of purim? These are 3000yr old traditions passed down from the days of Moses . . .

When you stop deceving yourself, grab the holy book, my Qu ran and read about the jews, moses and some prophets too.

Let me ask you a question, wh are we not having any prophet as a chistian?



@Syuser

olabowale, samba123, babs787,mukina, etc, STOP forcing yourselves (i.s.l.a.m) into the bible,

Ligth has no fellowship with darkness

How come your way is the light when Jesus you are claiming wasnt a christian?
Did God reveal the bible and to who?

The Bible has no fellowship with Q'uran nor Mohammmed nor Alllah nor other demonic nonsense!

Can you boast of the authorship of that your book?

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Are you ready for a debate on your above post?

@Nwando

not a big deal
Mo said blacks were like satan anyway.
na today?

My sister, always put on your thinking cap before sending any post.

If blacks are like satan, how come Bilal, the first black muslim from Abyssinia (Ethiopia) that was never called satan?