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Questions for you all

1. Was Easter celebrated in the bible? Because we all know that the bible was written after the demise of Jesus.

2. Is there any relationship between Easter and Passover?

3. What day was Jesus Christ tied to a stake or crucified?

4. what day did he rise?

One of the things to know a true prophet is that whenever he speaks or prophesies, it will surely come to pass (fulfilled)

5. Did Jesus fulfill the three days and three nights prophecy of Jonah.

@tayod

Let me start too with biblical verses.

Proverb 12 v 1: to learn, you must love discipline , it is stupid to hate correction.

Proverb 9 v 9; Teach the wise, and they will be wiser. Teach the righteous and they will learn more.

Its very funny how you condemn my own similarities but come out with just only one similarity.

You think that other's post is inferior to yours as long as its not in agreement with yours. How could you be telling me that the bible didnt refer to marital status, manner of death etc but the same verse could refer to seeing God face to face, just only one similarity!!!



#Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken#

Why not view it from the phrase, 'from among thy brethren', 'I will put my words in his mouth' and not relying only on 'like unto thee' , maybe that will provide better understanding. You cannot give me just one similarity to accept out of like five that I listed out for you. You should also note that the jews were expecting three
different personalities: Elijah, the prophet and the Messiah.


#on the other hand, the Bible declares was "face to face with God - That is the literal translation of John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, the word was face to face with God and God was the Word. And of course, there are many scripturres that indicate the nearness of Jesus to the Father that we can present here as facts.#

Hey, you are giving the bible your own meaning different from the original meaning. See, me I no dey oo.

I have given similarities in which some are with regards to their birth, family life, death, career, encounter with enemies, results of encounters, writing down of revelation, nature of teachings, claimed nature etc as against your only one similarity of seeing God face to face.

Take care.

@buluti

buluti:
@ babs787 is this supposed to be a joke. At the last count there was a thread on the teacher in Gombe that no muslim has ventured to go near, "people preach what they can't defend" oh referring to yourself , are you , You should be hiding in here, such effrontary , Gosh

Why not be honest with yourself. Havent you been reading posts by muslims on that topic you mentioned?





@stimulus


No vex, but I've indeed read the other thread about your claims and arguments (rather, denials) about the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ; and I'm quite satisfied with the rebuttal by several, especially shahan. What you keep doing is making denial after denial on some fancy twisting of words which you find difficult to assimilate; and that's not my problem. I could as well serve you denial after denial against Muhammad and his acclaimed adventure; but intellectuals don't stoop that low. There's nothing new you're likely to reharsh here that has not been laid to rest; so I'm not in the least interested in that boring game you trump up like a recurring decimal.

The Bible states that Jesus was both crucified and rose again from the dead, regardless the denials of Muhammad in the Qur'an.
[quote][/quote]Christians will always amuse me. Where have you been when your folks have been denying the prophethood of Muhammed, calling him all sort of names? You didnt say anything on that but deem it fit to come out and talk on my denials to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you want to say am denying the crucifixion, yes you are right because there was no crucifixion and I have been giving you verses that go against the crucifixion and have been asking questions on the said crucifixtion.

Well, point of correction, Shahan never produced any rebuttal to my claim, it was only Mrmayor that provided some links to the topic and I even stopped at anointing.

When it comes to issue affecting the bible, you will always give excuse as not to involve yourself in any debate but if it comes to Islam, you will always be seen at the front. It is this same bible that you are reading the Jehovah witness are reading too, both of you claiming to have written according to the original manuscript, but here you are telling me that he was crucified while witnesses are saying no, he was tied to a stake!!! So its not only Muslims but christians too have been denying same.


In continuation, it is in the bible I found out that 'he' is being used in place of 'it' for the dead.

John 20 v 15: sir, if you have taken HIM, hence, tell me, where you have laid HIM, , ,, so that I might take HIM away.

brother, do you think she is looking for a corpse, for 'it' or for a living person 'he'?

And further, she wants to know as to 'where have you laid him' and not where have you buried it.

'so that I might take him away'.

To where? What could she want to do with a buried decomposing body?

It will never make sense to you because it has to do with the foundation of your faith. Dont worry, I wonder what you will say when we get to the sign of Jonah, 'three days and three nights in the belly of fish', we will know if jesus really spent 3 days and three nights. Remember he was buried on Friday night and rose on Sunday morning as said by christians. But I will shed more light on that by the time we get there if you still remain adamant that he died for you.

We will get to the root as we proceed. Truth can never be hidden

Take care, call babs any name you feel like, it is a free world.

@stimulus

This is how you will see it:


servant of jesus

2nd corinthians 7 v 22: says: 'for he who was called in the Lord as a Slave is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a slave of christ. You are bought with a price'

2nd corinthians 4 v 5: for what we preach is not ourselves but jesus christ as Lord, with ourselves as your SERVANT.

God rewarding his servants with paradise

Romans 6 v 16: know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, nor of obedience unto righteousness

v 17: but God be thanked that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered to you.

v 18: Being then made free from sin, ye became the servant of righteousness.

v 20 : When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

v 22: but now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life.

Revelatin 11 v 18: the nations raged, but thy wrath came and the time for dead to be judged for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints.

@4play & davidylan

I really do not blame you because you dont undwerstand what "Jihad" is.

@stimulus

This is what we have in the verse you quoted

Quran 2 v 138; [Our Sibghah (religion) is] the Sibghah (religion) of Allah (Islam) and which Sibghah (religion) can be better than Allah's? And we are His worshipper.



@davidylan


Do you ever read your bible? Havent you read in the book of Romans where Paul said that you will gain eternal life by being a slave?

I like this stimulus guy, he reminds me of Shahan, one of my christian friends here on nairaland

100% complete

@batu


You have been the most stupid christian I have ever dealt with as far as this nairaland is concerned. Funny how you bloody slowpoke left the questions being asked, stylishly evaded the questions and barked at my own post. Typical escapist.

Going through your senseless lenghty post, one would have thought that you have done a great job by doing justice to the issue at hand but alas you are nothing short of an orang-utan.

I dont have time to trade words with you because it has become your trade mark to resort to abuse when you have no answers.

Like I said in one of my post directed to you, you should be ashamed of yourself and shut your stinking mouth if you have no answer rather than acting on my own post.

From your post, I learnt that you ignored the questions asked but stupidly came after my own post and I learnt that your post directed to me was on Jesus and Essenes and on keeping of beard, I will respond to the two issues but dont forget to keep off if you have no answers to the questions rather than picking at my own post. Escapist

Firstly, one would have thought that you are very knowledgeable due to your lenghty post but taking a closer look at your post, one would conclude that you are just 'grasping at straw', you have nothing to offer but picking at another person's post to address the issue at hand.

This mumu said the Essenes have been in existence before Jesus. I dont participate in argument that lacks proof, evidence etc. It is very glaring that you are a proper mu mu

To save time, go through these sites and acquire additional knowledge and just dont act on 'hear say'. Learn more about the Essenes, Christianity and Jesus Christ.

[i]"It is clear that "Christian" was not the earliest term for the followers of Jesus, since Acts 11:26 reports its first use in Antioch - at a time and in a place at least 10 and possibly 20 or more years after the death of Jesus.

More of the above can be got from:

http://www.thenazareneway.com/what_is_a_nazarene.htm

http://www.essenespirit.com/who.html

http://www.thenazareneway.com/index.htm#Origins of the Nazarene

Hope you are satisfied, mumu professor?


To your second senseless accusation on the issue of keeping beard. Your parent must have regretted given birth to you because you are no more than a disgrace to them having wasted so much to give you adequate training and the good things of life, went wild, attacking another individual just because, you 'batu the fool' have no answer, wouldnt it have been better to keep your stinking mouth shut rather than agravating issue. If  not that you are blind and after personal attack, I dont see any reason why you should attack my post because my response has been in line to the question asked.

To you blind batu, this is the question again :

What was his appearance bearded or clean shaven, short or tall?

So how are you going to address the above question without going into the so called pics being carried about?

I leave you to continue wallowing in your ignorance.

Try keeping your mouth shut if you have no answer rather than acting on my own post.

Fool

@stimulus

Funny how you people preach what you cant defend.

You have been saying that Jesus was killed and crucified and still saying it. The thread 'was jesus crucified' is on and I have not been seeing your input there. I need your input to the questions or better still the issue can be addressed here depending on how you want it.

We will also shed light on the only sign of Jonah as given by Jesus.

Also, we will know if really jesus rose on the third day and fulfilled the prophecy of Jonah.

Take care.

Easter is the Sunday on which the resurrection of Christ is celebrated in the Christian world. The celebration is believed to have started in about AD 68. the English word Easter probably comes from Eostre, a saxon goddess whose festival was celebrated about the time of the vernal equoinox (the Guinness book of answers page 68. entry Easter day). Encyclopedia Britannica says that, ‘the anglo-saxon priest venerable Bede in the 8th century derived the word Easter from the Anglo-Saxon spring goddess Eostre. Encyclopedia Britannica says “ As at Christmas, so also at Easter, popular customs reflect many ancient pagan survivals – in this instance, connected with spring fertility rites such as the symbol of the Easter Egg and the Easter hare or rabbit”.

Without question, perhaps[s the most celebrated of all the Christian holidays. It deals with the very foundation of the Christianity faith:

1st Corinthians 15 v 14; and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain and your faith is also vain.

Yet Allah is clear on the fact Jesus was not crucified

Quran 4 v 157: …, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such. And those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow! For of a surety, they killed him not.

Also, this pagan festival is actually a combination of both Astoria (from which the word Easter is derived from), the female goddess of fertility of the northern European Saxons and the Isis-Osiris cult. The lover of Astoria, Attis, dies and is reborn annually, in conjunction with the summer solactice (spring time), the time of the year of the Eastern celebrations. The theology of Attis was incorporated into the events of Jesus according to the Christian church that is. The symbol of the Astoria is the EGG, which is part of the Easter celebration (Easter Egg).

In the Isis-Osiris cult of ancient Egypt, crucifixion was often a required means of sacrificing the king as the ‘incarnation of God’ for the ‘salvation’ of man. Such bloody sacrifices were accompanied by the belief that the saviour’s flesh and blood had to be eaten and drank in a cannibalistic sacrament. This is currently practiced by the Catholic Church, metaphorically, in all their masses. Yet, one cannot ignore the pagan roots of this act. The Catholic Church actually believes in the transubstantiation of this ceremony, instituted by St. Thomas Aquinas in the 12th century AD, meaning, the Catholics believe that the bread and wine used turns into the actual flesh and blood of Jesus, dates back to 1700 BC. This notion that Jesus had to be sacrificed for the salvation of all mankind traces back to this older barbarism.

Easter starts with Ash Wednesday, followed by Lent (40- day fasting spurred by Pentecostals but observed by Orthodox and Aladura churches) [ orthodox churches are catholics, Anglican, Methodist, Baptist etc. Aladura churches practice biblical rituals, emphasize ‘spiritualism’ and usually designate white gowns for members-

Palm Sunday follows Lent. Christians bear palm fronds about to mark Jesus’ entry into Jerusalem. This is followed by Good Friday, which most Christians observe (protestants condemn Catholics, but they still copy their Easter practices from the Catholics!). they claim that ‘good Friday’ is the day Christ was crucified. Good Friday is ‘good’ because the blood of Jesus, according to them, was shed to ‘wash away’ their sins. The Monday after Good Friday is called Easter.

Allah rejects this savagery in Genesis 22 v 1-14 where God used ram to replace son meant for sacrifice and there are other verses too going against human sacrifice.

It is my responsibility to bring to light the truth of such pagan practices in the hopes that God willing, Christians will see the errors of such acts which are nothing more than ritual that draws one away from the worship of God. Celebrating the ‘death’ of Jesus is against the word of Allah that…,,, of a surety they killed him not (Quran 4 v 157)

Finally, Allah says

Quran 6 v 153: verily, this is the way leading straight: follow it. Follow not (other) paths, they will scatter you about from this path. Allah commands you thus that you may be righteous.

Now, having shed light on the origin of Easter, I am now directing the below questions to Christian brothers and sisters here to explain them to us.

1. Was Easter celebrated in the bible? Because we all know that the bible was written after the demise of Jesus.

2. Is there any relationship between Easter and Passover?

3. What day was Jesus Christ tied to a stake or crucified?

4. what day did he rise?

One of the things to know a true prophet is that whenever he speaks or prophesies, it will surely come to pass (fulfilled)

5. Did Jesus fulfill the three days and three nights prophecy of Jonah.


Note: I have limited the questions to Easter celebration but not on crucifixion of jesus

@buluti

What does brother mean to you?

They really deserve it afterall we have beaten them three times

We knocked them out of the carling cup, same with the FA and we also beat them at Emirates

Gunners 4 life

May Allah reward you abundantly.

Maybe they will listen to you as they have been rejecting the truth has been telling them

THIS SEASON HAS BEEN THE WORST OF ALL SEASON.

Injury killed us, most of the players didnt play anything this season.

But I believe we will bounce back to the 3rd position and next season will be better for us

Gunners for life

@the one

I saw your post directed to me and I have decided to honour the invitation.

Firstly, I am very sorry for the death of the woman that happened tobe your friend, May her gentle soul rest in perfect peace.

I dont even know what to write but honestly the truth of the matter is that, no muslim support killing of another victim. God too does not support extremism or whatever as the case may be.

Thought we may be of different religion, ehtnicity, tribe, colour etc but the fact still remains that we are the children of Adam. So no soul is special compared to another.

ISLAM does not condone taking of another person's soul.

I wish I could continue but have to stop here, I am sincerely sorry for the incident. May Allah give her family fortitude to bear the loss. I am very sorry for the incident.

Accept my condolence pls.

Na u get your mouth.

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@batu

I am not surprised at your stupid post, its the normal christian way of avoiding questions.

You will always avoid questions too hard for you but if its being directed towards other faith, you will be the one to post stupid things here. Why trying to compare individual when questions are being posed at you?. Same for another christian fellow in another thread bringing me into the discussion with his friend.

Honestly, you christians have been deceiving people all these while, you have been "destroying" people with your false doctrines. You people will never stop amusing me in the sense that you have never been able to back up your claims.

Yesterday, two christians were talking about the so called trinity. One of them said that most of what muslims are saying pertaining to jesus christ is very realistic that how could same person sit at the right hand side of himself. The other guy said that they were made to believe all these stupid doctrines right from their youth.

Arent you ashamed of yourself babu? Why not keep your mouth shut if you cant answer the questions? and they will never make sense to you cos you have no answers to the questions.


As per the questions:

1. The bible gave no age but says 'supposed' as in

Luke 3 v 23: and jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph ,,,. I wonder why the holy spirit gave no definite age and why the use of the word 'supposed'

Try to defend and give us the real age of Jesus.


2. No historical proof as regards the date and that is the more reason Jehovah witnesses are not doing christmas

3. Answer to your no3 question will also determine whether the pics being carried is really that of jesus. The pics portrayed jesus as having long hair while historical data shows that early jews do not have long hair, so how come jesus with long hair

These so called christians will be laughing at muslims keeping beard but never for a second think about the so called pictures being carried about and those pictures in their pictorial bible having beards.

4. As regards to the name, we will address the words 'IEOSUS', 'EESAW', 'YESHUA' or 'YESHUWA" and "BEN JOSEPH"

5. We will know if he was crucified according to the protestant or nailed according to Jehovah witness. It shows that none witnessed the crucifixion, as a result, he was not crucified.

Quran 4 v 157: ,,, for surely, they killed him (jesus) not.

6. As regards passover, a verse says before while another says after the passover. Lets see any christian that will give us the exact time.

7. We will also know if it was Herod, Pilate or another King

8. We will also know if Herod's killing of innocent children was the truth and we will also see if Jesus really left his country and also know if it was not a hoax in order to merge with some prophecies

9. As per the sect, it is called the Essenes. Here also, we will know how Essenes developed into christianity, the similarities and the differencies.

Was the Widows Mite in the NT accounts of Jesus a King Herod or later Kings coin or was it a Jannaeus Alexanders 100BC coin?

No answer

Did Lysanius and King Herod exist in the time of Jesus as recorded in the NT?
No answer

What era did Salome the follower of Jesus and friend of Jesus live in?

No answer

Who was she married to?

These shows that christianity is 100% deception. I wonder how someone could not defend whatever he/she has been preaching all these while.

Truth has come, falsehood is bound to perish.

Answer the lady pls and stop being childish.

Escapist

@Razor

No it should be

Chel-lagoon or chel-ocean

or better still brandy

Please dont try poisoning the mind of my sister, we are gunners and we will always be

Gunners 4 life

It is the truth

Ribbery will be coming next season whether they qualify for champions league or not

Robinho too will be coming

So expect more star studded young gunners next season

Gunners for life

GUNNERS WILL ALWAYS RULE

@bgees

If I be you, I would have gone for special 7 days prayer on mountain Everest so that the Gunners will not gun you down tomorrow

I really pity you because you are gunner's wife and will always be trampled upon

As for Razzor, dont mind her, na yeye, brandy she dey

Chel-Lagoon

@pataki


It is not your fault if not for the pc. At times it goes and at times it got muddled up telling me that the pop-up is blocked, so I have decided to be using it like that.Or what is your headache there?

Good observation oluwatosin.

Brother take a look at your post below

Actually I was implying that the way he writes his English this days seems to have grown a bit better than the babs 787 of old.

How could you be using this and days together ?

So you can see that mistake has no master.

Got youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Did you leave church?

Sorry pals, ignore the rest and concentrate on this.


@stimulus


You seems knowledgeable out of them all. Brother, looking forward to your response   . Forget if the lady is a baptist, jehovah witness or seventh day adventist and lets address the questions together.

I missed Shahan so much in all honesty. None has been able to wear her shoes except you  .




@batu

Do you think I have time for your stupid allegations? The lady asked you questions that has been probably confusing her. Why not keep your mouth shut if you can't answer the questions rather than being an escapist. Very typical way of avoiding questions. But if it were directed towards other faith, you would have posted lenghty and stupid posts.



@pataki


Funny enough how you people address issues. Am very sure, if the questions have been directed to muslims, you would have pasted many things here and worst of it all, if muslims tell you that you should read the Quran for answers, you would have told them that they do not have  proof to back their faith.



@all

I have been asking some of the questions here but no historical proofs. The thread on 'was jesus crucified' is still on, questions have been waived aside believing that he must have been crucified because of what you have been told right from your youth!!.

Common, gone are the days when you just accept silly doctrines without verifying, we have come of age so this is the time to verify anything before accepting.

Let answers roll in.  

As per the questions:

1. The bible gave no age but says 'supposed' as in

Luke 3 v 23: and jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph ,,,. I wonder why the holy spirit gave no definite age and why the use of the word 'supposed'


2. No historical proof as regards the date and that is the more reason Jehovah witnesses are not doing christmas

3. Answer to your no3 question will also determine whether the pics being carried is really that of jesus. The pics portrayed jesus as having long hair while historical data shows that early jews do not have long hair, so how come jesus with long hair

4. As regards to the name, we will address the words 'IEOSUS', 'EESAW', 'YESHUA'

5. We will know if he was crucified according to the protestant or nailed according to Jehovah witness. It shows that none witnessed the crucifixion, as a result, he was not crucified.

6. As regards passover, a verse says before while another says after the passover

7. We will also know if it was Herod, Pilate or another King

8. We will also know if Herod's killing of innocent children was the truth and we will also see if Jesus really left his country and also know if it was not a hoax in order to merge with some prophecies

9. As per the sect, it is called the Essenes. Here also, we will know how Essenes developed into christianity, the similarities and the differencies.

Was the Widows Mite in the NT accounts of Jesus a King Herod or later Kings coin or was it a Jannaeus Alexanders 100BC coin?

Did Lysanius and King Herod exist in the time of Jesus as recorded in the NT?

What era did Salome the follower of Jesus and friend of Jesus live in?
Who was she married to?


Take care, still around for responses from you and your people before I post my rebuttal to your answers.  

@stimulus


You seems knowledgeable out of them all. Brother, looking forward to your response . Forget if the lady is a baptist, jehovah witness or seventh day adventist and lets address the questions together.

I missed Shahan so much in all honesty. None has been able to wear her shoes except you .




@batu

Do you think I have time for your stupid allegations? The lady asked you questions that has been probably confusing her. Why not keep your mouth shut if you cant answer the questions rather than being an escapist. Very typical way of avoiding questions. But if it were directed towards other faith, you would have posted lenghty and stupid posts.



@pataki


Funny enough how you people address issues. Am very sure, if the questions have been directed to muslims, you would have pasted many things here and worst of it all, if muslims tell you that you should read the Quran for answers, you would have told them that they do not have proof to back their faith.



@all

I have been asking some of the questions here but no historical proofs. The thread on 'was jesus crucified' is still on, questions have been waived aside believing that he must have been crucified because of what you have been told right from your youth!!.

Common, gone are the days when you just accept silly doctrines without verifying, we have come of age so this is the time to verify anything before accepting.

Let answers roll in.

As per the questions:

1. The bible gave no age but says 'supposed' as in

Luke 3 v 23: and jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph ,,,. I wonder why the holy spirit gave no definite age and why the use of the word 'supposed'


2. No historical proof as regards the date and that is the more reason Jehovah witnesses are not doing christmas

3. Answer to your no3 question will also determine whether the pics being carried is really that of jesus. The pics portrayed jesus as having long hair while historical data shows that early jews do not have long hair, so how come jesus with long hair

4. As regards to the name, we will address the words 'IEOSUS', 'EESAW', 'YESHUA'

5. We will know if he was crucified according to the protestant or nailed according to Jehovah witness. It shows that none witnessed the crucifixion, as a result, he was not crucified.

6. As regards passover, a verse says before while another says after the passover

7. We will also know if it was Herod, Pilate or another King

8. We will also know if Herod's killing of innocent children was the truth and we will also see if Jesus really left his country and also know if it was not a hoax in order to merge with some prophecies

9. As per the sect, it is called the Essenes. Here also, we will know how Essenes developed into christianity, the similarities and the differencies.

Take care, still around for responses from you and your people before I post my rebuttal to your answers.













@pataki


Funny enough how you people address issues. Am very sure, if the questions have been directed to muslims, you would have pasted many things here and worst of it all, if muslims tell you that you should read the Quran for answers, you would have told them that they do not have proof to back their faith.



@all

I have been asking some of the questions here but no historical proofs. The thread on 'was jesus crucified' is still on, questions have been waived aside with the option of just believing that he must have been crucified because of what you have been told right from your youth.

Common, gone are the days when you just accept silly doctrines without verifying, we have come of age so this is the time to verify anything before accepting.

Let answers roll in.

As per the questions:

1. The bible gave no age but says 'supposed'

2. No historical proof as regards the date and that is the more reason Jehovah witnesses are not doing christmas

3. Answer to your no3 question will also determine whether the pics being carried is really that of jesus. The pics portrayed jesus as having long hair while historical data shows that early jews do not have long hair, so how come jesus with long hair

4. As regards to the name, we will address the words 'IEOSUS', 'EESAW', 'YESHUA'

5. We will know if he was crucified according to the protestant or nailed according to Jehovah witness. It shows that none witnessed the crucifixion, as a result, he was not crucified.

6. As regards passover, a verse says before while another says after the passover

7. We will also know if it was Herod, Pilate or another King

8. We will also know if Herod's killing of innocent children was the truth and we will also see if Jesus really left his country and also know if it was not a hoax in order to merge with some prophecies

As per the sect, it is called the Essenes. Here also, we will know how Essenes developed into christianity, the similarities and the differencies.

Take care, still around for responses from you and your people before I post my rebuttal.







Funny enough how you people address issues. Am very sure, if the questions have been directed to muslims, you would have pasted many things here and worst of it all, if muslims tell you that you should read the Quran for answers, you would have told them that they do not have substantiate proof to back their faith.

I have been asking some of the questions here but no historical proofs. The thread on 'was jesus crucified' is still on, questions have been waived aside with the option of just believing that he must have been crucified because of what you have been told right from your youth.

Common, gone are the days when you just accept silly doctrines without verifying, we have come of age so this is the time to verify anything before accepting.

Let answers roll in.

As for your questions:

1. The bible gave no age but says 'supposed'

2. No historical proof as regards the age and that is the more reason Jehovah witness are not doing christmas

3. Answer to your no3 question will also determine whether the pics being carried is really that of jesus. The pics potrayed jesus as having long hair while historical data shows that early jews do not have long hair, so how come jesus with long hair

4. As regards to the name, we will address the words 'IEOSUS', 'EESAW', 'YESHUA'

5. We will know if he was crucified according to the protestant or nailed according to Jehovah witness. It shows that none witnessed the crucifixion, as a result, he was not crucified.

6. As regards passover, a verse says before while another says after the passover

7. We will also know if it was Herod, Pilate or another King

8. We will also know if Herod's killing of innocent children was the truth and we will also see if Jesus really left his country and also know if it was not a hoax in order to merge with some prophecies

9. As per the sect, it is called the Essenes. Here also, we will know how Essenes developed into christianity, the similarities and the differencies.

Take care, still around for responses from you and your people before I post my rebuttal.

Maybe brother stimulus will provide the answers cos he seems knowledgeable out of them all. Brother, looking forward to your response. Forget if the lady is a baptist, jehovah witness or seventh day adventist and lets address the questions together.

Thank you sir, brother stimulus but I missed Shahan so much in all honesty. None has been able to wear her shoes except brother stimulus.

Continuation on the brotherhood of Islam

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The second duty is to render personal aid in the satisfaction of needs, attending to them without waiting to be asked, and giving them priority over private needs.

Here too, there are different degrees, as in the case of material support

The lowest degree consists in attending to the need when asked and when in plenty, though with joy and cheerfulness, showing pleasure and gratitude.

A muslim in the early days would see to the maintenance of his brother’s wife and children for forty years after his brother’s death, attending to their needs, visiting them daily and providing for them from his wealth so that they missed only the father’s person; indeed they were treated as not even by their father in his lifetime. It was known for a man to go regularly to the door of his brother’s household and enquire:

‘Have you oil? Have you salt etc

This is how brotherhood and compassion are shown. If a man does not manifest compassion towards his brother in the same degree as to himself, then there is no goodness in it.

In short, your brother’s need ought to be like your own, or even more important than your own. You should be on the watch for times of need, not neglecting his situation anymore than you would your own. You should see that he does not have to ask, nor reveal his need to appeal for help. Rather should you attend to it as if you did not know that you had done so. You should not see yourself as having earned any right by virtue of what you have done, but rather count it a blessing that he accepts your effort on his behalf and your attention to his affair. You should not confine yourself to satisfying his needs, but try from the start to be even more generous, to prefer him and put him before relatives and children.

Part of complete compassion is not to partake in solitude of delicious foods, nor to enjoy alone an occasion of happiness; rather should the brother’s absence be distressing and the separation sad.

The ignorant and the faithless muslims

There are many people today within the Muslim communities who claim to be Muslims simply because their parents are Muslims and they are bearing Islamic names. But what is special in one’s parents being Muslims and one bearing an Islamic name?

The only virtue by which a person could be known to be a true Muslim is for him or her to believe and accept whol-heartedly that there is no other god and saviour apart from Allah and to strive to the best of his or her ability to keep the commandments of Allah as stated in the Quran, and also to act in accordance with the traditions of the Holy Prophet.

Quran 3 v 19: the only religion before Allah is Islam. Also Almighty Allah warns that “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him and in the Hereafter he will be in ranks of those who have lost al spiritual good (Quran 3 v 85)

Moreover, there are many people in the world today who although are viewed to be Muslims by the people but who in the actual sense lack faith and proper understanding of the religion. As a matter of fact, Allah concludes that:

Quran 2 v 8: ‘of the people, there are some who say: we believe in Allah and the last day’ but they do not really believe.

And whenever they are in problems of any kind, these category of people would not hesitate to approach Church pastors, soothsayers, herbalists, star readers and witchdoctors in the course of findinf solutions to their probems.

But do these people they approach for solutions to their problems really have the power to solve their probems? Certainly not, when they have their own probems too to face. Every happening both good and bad is from Allah

Quran 10 v 107 : If Allah do touch you with (any) hurt (or trouble) there is none who can remove it but He (alone) (and) of he designs some benefits for you. There is none (also) that can keep back his favour (from coming to pass)

Additionally, the Glorious Quran is the only source of solutions to all human problems as stated by almighty Allah thus

Quran 10 v 57: Oh mankind, there has come to you an admonition from your Lord and a healing for the (troubles) in your hearts and for those who believe, a guidance and mercy.

But despite these assurances given by Allah, these faithless and hopeless people who claim to be Muslims disregard the Glorious Quran as the only means through which their problems could be solved but prefer instead to consult the devils in human form for solutions to their problems.

Furthermore, many of these ignorant and faithless Muslims usually fall victims of the new-breed Christian crusaders who are all out in search of people to fill their newly found churches. And on getting to the churches, these people would be promised the best and the quickest solutions to their problems. But would they really get the solutions to their problems? Certainly not, unless Allah wills. And if Allah should grant them solutions to their problems due to His Rahman ( beneficience over the entire m,ankind) in that position of their lives, it means hell for them. Because Allah describes them:

Quran 2 v 86 : these are the people who buy the life of this world at the price of the hereafter.

Also

Quran 2 v 90: miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls

In addition, Allah seriously warns

Quran 2 v 217: if any of you turn back from their (Islam) faith and die in unbelief, their work will bear no fruit in this world and in the hereafter, they will be companions of the fire and will abide therein

Moreover, we have been seriously warned about the plot of the Christian crusaders to mislead us from  the ultimate Islamic path to success and salvation to their own ways of failure and destruction when the Almighty Allah says:

Quran 3 v 69: it is the wish of a section (of the Christians) to lead you astray, but they shall lead astray (none of you except the faithless ones) ,,,themselves

And for further precaution to be taken against the Christians, Allah says

Quran 2 v 120 : never will the Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their form of religion (and whenever they ask you to come an join their form of religion) say (to them),,, the guidance of Allah ,,, is the only true guidance

However, Allah calls on the generality of mankind thus:

Quran 2 v 21: o ye people! Worship Allah, your Guardian Lord who created you and those who came before you that you may become righteous.

And finally, Allah states what righteousness really is

Quran 2 v 177: it is righteousness to believe in Allah and the last day, and the angels and the book and the messengers, to spend of your sustenance out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarers,  for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves, to be steadfast in prayer and give Zakat, to (always) fulfill the contracts which ye made (with the people) and to be firm and patient in pain (and suffering) and adversity and throughout all periods of panic.


Maa Salam

@pataki

#Well once again, I reiterate that Jesus is God ok! #


Okay sir  




@stimulus


I'm sorry to read that Muslims understand 'CHRIST' as merely a title, and yet have not been bold enough to use it for Muhammad as well. In the same way, I may assume that Muhammad's title as the 'Rasool of Allah' is a mere title that non-living things were called. Not even the Qur'an assumes the "Messiah" is as you claim.


I was about leaving the thread when I re-read your above post. If you do not accept the word' christ' as being a title, let me have your meaning of it.

Below are verses where the word 'anointed’ is used

Genesis 31 v 13: ,,, I am God of Beth-el, where you anoint a pillar ,,,,


Leviticus 4 v 3: if the priest that is anointed do sin ,,,,

Leviticus 8 v 10: and Moses,,, anointed the tabernacle and all things that was therein ,,,,

Ezekiel 28 v 14: thou art the anointed cherub

Etc….

Now on the issue of title. Every prophet of God is an anointed one of God – the title ‘messiah’ or ‘masih’ or its translation ‘christ’ is exclusively reserved for jesus in both islam and Christianity. This is not unusual in religion. There are certain other honorific titles which may be applied to more than one prophet, yet being made exclusive to one by usage, like ‘Rasul-lullah’ meaning ‘messenger of God’ which title is applied to both moses (Quran 19 v 51) and Jesus (Quran 61 v 6) , yet ‘Rasul-lullah’ has become synonymous only with the prophet of Islam among muslims.

Every prophet is indeed a ‘friend of God’ but its Arabic equivalent ‘Khalil-lullah' is exclusively associated with father Abraham. This does not mean that the others are not God’s friend. ‘Khalimul-lah’ (One who spoke with God’) is never used for anyone other than Moses, yet we believe that God spoke with all His messengers including Jesus and Muhammed (May Allah’s peace and blessing be on them all). Associating certain names to a certain personality does not make them exclusively unique in any way. We honour all in varying terms.

Take care

@pataki, Tosin

Longest time.


#So you actually believe Jesus is now God?#


I do not believe. Its a blasphemy. I used the above as being said by you and your friends.

@stimulus

The simple premise is for you to challenge and investigate the claims of the dressed-up article you reposted from that website. Those gentlemen are misleading the public reader into believing their linguistic re-engineering of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words into Arabic idiosyncracies, which is shamefully dishonest.

If anyone is being "cornered", take an honest and bold step to challenge those articles (the same thing I do in challenging even "Christian" writers) - then you will see how my assertion stands that those chaps are disingenuous.


Thanks but no thanks for the advice. The topic should have been "what is His name"

Astonishing as it may sound, it is an admitted fact that prior to the sixteenth century, the word "Jehovah," was unheard of. Have you noticed that Hebrew Language is being read from right to left as in Arabic).

The Christians claim that they have in their possession over twenty-four thousand so-called "originals" of their Holy Writ in the Greek language, and yet not a single parchment has "Jehovah" written in it. Curiously this "name of God" (?) has been sacrilegiously replaced by the Greek words ky'ri.os and the.os', which mean 'Lord' and 'God.'

Have you ever received any Jehovah witness?They have made the word JEHOVAH famous. They knock at people's doors, asking the question - "What is His Name?" The orthodox Christian replies - "God." They say, "God is not a name, it is an object of worship.

Stimulus, I have questions for you on the word 'jehovah"

1. Did Jesus heard the word Jehovah?

2. What is the word for 'God' in Aramaic and Hebrew?

3. How did Y H W H become Jehovah

4. What is a 'tetragrammaton'

As you are answering the questions, let us look at the below lists:


THE HEBREW ARABIC ENGLISH
Elah Ilah god
Ikhud Ahud one
Yaum Yaum day
Shaloam Salaam peace
Yahuwa Ya Huwa oh he


Thanks

@stimulus

Am not here to argue blindly with you because no matter what you are being told, be it the truth, you will never accept as long as it is not in your favour. So am not posting to win argument or whatever but for others to read and judge. I wonder why you lay claim to some prophecy in the bible despite the fact jesus was never mentioned but very quick at rebuffing that of the prophet of Islam. Have you for one day gone through the Aramaic bible to verify my claim? Am leaving you to your drivel but will like to correct your spurious post:


#1. Father and mother would also mean that there were many prophets who qualified as much, and not only Muhammad.

Jesus did not qualify for the prophecy here which you are very aware of. Muhammed qualified more than Jesus. Why bringing the issue of other prophet when we are comparing the three prophets? We are looking at the things in common with the three prophets



#2. What is the miraculous birth between Moses and Muhammed?

Were the two of them (Moses and Muhammed) not conceived through the normal intercourse between husband and wife? Is that the situation of Jesus too? Was he conceived through intercourse between husband and wife?



#3. Marital status is no criteria; as in the case with #1, many prophets also were married. Besides, that would even be a disimilarity between them, because Moses had only one wife while Muhammad was said to have more than a dozen.


It is not a disimilarity. Do you equate someone that marry regardless of the number of wives to someone that doesnt? Moses married, though one wife and Muhammed married too but more than one wife while jesus didnt even marry at all. What can be infer here is that they both married but one having a wife and another more than one, while Jesus never marry. Is someone that has married the same as someone that has never?



#4. Does the rejection of Jesus by His own people establish the similarities between Moses and Muhammad?


So you dont know that it has? Moses and Muhammed were first rejected by their people but accepted during their life while jesus was never accepted during his lifetime.



#5. Already discussed earlier; this fails to make Muhammad the prophet of Deut. 18.

There are instances in the bible of persons who were given gift of prophecy only but they were not in a position to implement their directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the face of stubborn rejection of their message were Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, John the Baptist etc. They could only deliver the message but could not enforce the law. The Holy prophet jesus belonged to this category. It was confirmed in the Gospel when he was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pilate. Conclusively, both Moses and Muhammed not only delivered message but also enforced it. They were kings, ruler etc during their time and were feared by their followers.



#6. No new Laws - as a similarity between Moses and Muhammad?

Yes if you do not know. Moses and Muhammed came with new laws while Jesus came to act on the already existing laws. (Mathew 5 v 17 - 18)



#7. The departure of Muhammad was very unlike that of Moses.

How? Both of them died natural death while Jesus was crucified as put by christians.



#8. If 'heavenly abode' counts, then where is Jesus Christ - is He not in heaven?

Hey, am not saying that he is not. Moses and Muhammed both lied buried in earth while Jesus was not. Moses and Muhammed did not arise after third day while Jesus did as put by christians.



@davidylan

Is your bible the ostrich head?