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Deep Sight:
Is Free Will not a self-evident fact?

The very fact that you can ponder at a crossroads which path to take confirms the existence of your free will - God or no God.

Bawo, surely you will not lead me to believe that one requires a belief in the existence of God, to ascertain self-evident facts, such as the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, or the fact that man is a  conscious intelligent being with the attribute of free will ? ? ?  ? ? ? ? ?

how is the statement that God GAVE US freewill a self-evident act?  I'm not arguing freewill (although that can be argued) but where your believe in free will comes from.  How do you know freewill was granted by a God?

all i'm trying to say is that some of your views seem to be influenced by christianity or other religions. 

shanti jay:
1.is the BIBLE older in existence before koran??, YES

2.Is CHRISTIANITY in existence for hundreds of years before islam? , YES

what's your point, ifaism, hinduism, judaism and co are older than Christianity. does that mean christianity is inferior to those religions? You fanatics are troubled.

No2Atheism:
- Lets remember how Sadam had weapons of mass destruction that did not exist and also how Afghanistan is being invaded for crimes supposedly committed by Saudi Arabians. . .

afghanistan hosted al qaeda.  osama bin laden had been chased out saudi-arabia by the time of the attacks.   i didn't support the war but lets not act as if Bush didn't give the taliban an ultimatum to oust osama before invading.

congrats on the baby OYB.

oyb:
downloading now

i trust you jare

punchlinee:
who is Bleep is susan boil?

why does the article assume they live lonely lives?

wirinet:
My respected friend Deep Sight,

i know that the atheist state of mind remains a mystery to you and you have opened numerous threads trying to decipher the mind of the atheist. Please permit me to use the Christian cliche; "you can only experience the joy of atheism if you are in it"

Some of the joys include;

The removal of guilt from from your heart and mind, by this i mean the imposition of guilt by other religions on your being even if you have done nothing wrong can be sometimes disorienting. When you throw away that pre-programmed guilt, you feel at peace.

The joy of taking responsibility for our individual actions and decisions. You are more careful with your decisions because you have no body to put blames on - devils or gods, so you take responsibility for your actions - good or bad.

The joy of appreciating the short life we have on this planet and so living it as best as we can, we do not hope of a promise of a better or worse life than this.

The joy of appreciating the universe and everything that is within, the joys of not placing our individual self above other persons or races, or even animals and plants, and seeing ourselves as part of a whole.

The joy of not having any fear of Gods, Devils, mammy water, demons, babalawos, etc ( i still fear snakes though).

There are many others, but these are a few.

now to your main question;

No the atheist mind does not allow for the spiritual but it allows for the unknown. because the spiritual defies definition. Were know of matter and are aware of energies ( some known, some unknown), but the spiritual as currently defined makes no sense.

I know that the possible number of connections by the billions of neurons in a human brain runs into billions of trillions and each compete connection represent one state of mind. This means that the possible state of mind of an average human is infinite and during our lifetimes and we are only able to experience a few of these states. So i am sure some people are able to experience a state of mind that i have never or will never experience. Maybe that is what you call spiritual. But i believe every possible human experience emanates from the brain.

nice explanation

those are working man toes, stop hating.

tanimz:
What are these people and their govt thinking?

that humans should embrace their sexuality?

stillwater:
In the end, everything depends on how well you boil the meat not how it's transported.

word and you want it fresh.  can't trust Nigerian meat sellers when it comes to storing their food.

AI had a nice career. His mercurial attitude worked when he was the only game changing talent on philly.

sad he turned into public enemy one at the tail end of his career. he is still a legend for short guards.

[quote author=THE-AMAKA link=topic=357342.msg4997988#msg4997988 date=1259206316]^^^
OH HELL NAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NEVER AGAIN, NEVER NEVER NEVER!!
i think i wanna gag from 2 years ago.
[/quote]haven't you been to a market in Nigeria?

you shouldn't be surprised. You should see the "beetle" vehicles used to transport the classic agege bread.

poor womn, she should have racked up more charges like bode george

24/12 = 2, 20/2 = 10

save some turkey for me.

hold up, why are we talking about thanksgiving when a man is dying.

the catholic has no problem with evolution.

some of the biggest proponents of evolution are theists.

uplawal:
My God can not be compared to any of his creations,whether on earth or in heavens,thank GOD am a Muslim

I agree. God shouldn't be defined with human qualities besides jesus of course

it's called a movie for a reason. it's not meant to be taken as real.

nollywood may be trash but their priority is making a profit and not enhancing nigeria's image.

Jakumo:
"Pellow Kwantiri-men, flease, all of you wey you sink say me I no sabi speak am fwa biroken Hinglish, raise am ya hand."

"  Chineke, see as this Awusa man dey fight to speak ordinary broken.   Biko,  Ifi you no fiti talk am, ngwa leave am make you continue dey use dati by-force primary3 English when you dey manage before.  That one still better pass this ya baboon broken, my friend.   I no sure say you go school self.  If nobi say how as ona soldier plenty like ant for time of Biafra War, we for don finish ona 1-2.  Looku looong cap when e carry putu for that him isi-ewu head self.  Anuofia"

Eyinnn, Honorabuu Siyaman, this legislation wey dem tell us to dey speak only broken for House of Assembly, e get as e be o, because as all finger no dey equal,  no be all of we sabi nak broken well-well sotay Waffi man nogo dey laugh us.  For esampu, inside my home town of Ibadan, na only Yoruba everybody dey talk, and so, dear-fore, we no dey get enough chance to pra-tice broken at all. " 

lmao wrong on so many levels

JeSoul:

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  In other not so national news, anyone watching the Celtics/Sixers game tonight . . . look for me in my black Pierce #34 jersey, 4 rows back off the floor, somewhere underneath basket Close to the Celtics bench  I landed some sweet tickets yesterday! 

as long as ron artest isn't close by

NEW YORK (Billboard) - U.S. music retailers are realizing a dream week with Susan Boyle's "I Dreamed A Dream" ringing cash registers far beyond expectations and Adam Lambert's album stirring sales after his sexually charged TV performance.

Label and distribution executives project that based on early sales returns at major retailers and pre-orders at direct marketers like Amazon and QVC, Boyle's album is in contention to beat this year's top debut-week seller, Eminem's "Relapse."

That record sold 608,000 units in the week ending May 24, according to Nielsen SoundScan, representing the best overall sales week for an album this year.

While projections for Boyle's album start at the 550,000 unit mark, some executives are reluctant to guess how high it will go.

If big box retailers "have stock on Black Friday, who knows how well the album can do," said one industry watcher who thinks the album will sell at least 700,000 copies this week.

Lambert's "For Your Entertainment" also is outperforming expectations despite --or perhaps because of -- his risque performance at Sunday's American Music Awards in which the gay singer kissed one male musician and pushed the head of another into his crotch.

Industry sources project "For Your Entertainment" could sell about 225,000 units in its initial week in stores.

Likewise, Lady Gaga and her three-pronged attack on consumer purses is much stronger than expected. Her new "The Fame Monster" deluxe edition and "The Fame" original version could sell a combined 150,000 records, while "The Fame Monster" EP is expected to top 200,000 units, sources said.

Estimates are based on a Tuesday release date, while this past week new releases came out a day early on Monday, due to the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday weekend. Also impacting sales is the busiest shopping day of the holiday season, so-called 'Black Friday,' the day after Thanksgiving.

How well Boyle's album performs will, in part, be impacted by replenishment on shelves. Sources said many stores are on the verge of being sold out, and re-orders have been placed.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=9177432

i know sauron and ibime ordered the deluxe edition.

clomn:
I THINK Ujujoan IS GREAT.

lol you are about to go bankrupt.

Olabowale isn't lying about the catholic church being negligent in Rwanda though.

Selfishness . . . a disposition intimately known and practised by the US of A. Withdrawal shouldn't be a problem at all . . .

if you do that, goodluck getting countries like japan and Britain to contribute more troops to Iraq. Obama would be fooling to burn such bridges with an abrupt withdrawal.

People need to accept we are stuck with Afghanistan and even pakistan to a certain extent.

SapeleGuy:
Venezuela have electricity, cheap fuel, free education, free healthcare and housing for the homeless.
Them swear for una? how can you not want to copy such an achievement?

an achievement based on high crude oil prices and a mono economy (the only viable industry is the Oil industry) is one to be copied? Nigeria has had an oil boom before, we all see what happened after the boom

His medical history and what not is a private matter. Seriously how hard is it to understand that?

It ceased to be a private matter when he assumed public office.   John McCain was forced to release his medical record while he was running for president.  That doesn't mean its right to mock him but its a legitimate question to ask whether yar'adua is fit enough to be president.

As 4play stated, venezuela is no ideal for Nigeria.

The cement manufacturing and milk producing industries of venezuela have being ran aground.  foreign investments have been pulled out.  Exxon Mobil even won a judgment against venezuela because of the hostile takeover of the oil industry.  venezuela also has one of the highest inflation rate in southern america.

They are still more advanced than us though. eccentric hugo chavez aside.

healing promotion annointing and abundance? is that what Christianity is all about? This sounds like a shareholders meeting or something

michelin89:
CH5OH's family are pedophiles?

which of his family members, chlorine or acetic acid?

Deep Sight:
^^^ Bawo, would you describe yourself as a robot? You make conscious decisions for yourself yes? And yet you are not religious?

Hello o o o o ?  ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

i'm just wondering where your concept of freewill comes from?

could you explain a little bit.

edoyad:
There's this guy that pushes my buttons, i'd like to chat with him to see if we're compatible

you are a guy?

davidylan:
deepsight is a confused individual IMO. He knows God exists but cant stand abiding by His principles.

interesting, i find it strange he believes in freewill but claims not to be religious

FL Gators:
Bring it on. We rule in that game too

you do know joakim noah and co have gone to the NBA right

finemocha:
@ednut


do u beleive in God, do you believe that he exists

how do you know God is a man?

looks dehydrated.