₦airaland Forum

[quote author=ndu_chucks]There is a lot of talk about this document. Recently, Aregbesola claimed that ACN has adopted this document thus members of other parties, particularly, PDP, who have not adopted it are not "Omoluwabi".

Since no one could produce the document, PDP jumped on Aregbesola and accused him of planning to secede, Islamize Sw etc. There is something secretive about this document and it stinks.

I suspect it may contain the blueprint for some acts which may actually be illegal or treasonous. The DAWN document, as it is named, which was launched on the 103 birthday of the first premier of the Western Region, Obafemi Awolowo, is said to be a cultural and socio-economic blueprint as well as a conscious effort to develop a developmental agenda for the old Western Region in the post Obafemi Awolowo era.

I found some information on the document, but no one can produce it. I ask again, whats the great secret about the document. Why did non ACN governors not endorse this document enabling Aregbesola to imply that they are not Omoluwabi?

Kilode?! please I'm asking nicely, where da fork is the document? [/quote]Lolzzz! I almost chocked!
Oya Kilode? you've been asked rather nicely; bring the document jare!

It seems Mimiko has stated his point fairly energetically. ACN bera beware.
I would have loved to see Asiwaju running for dear life on his tiny lil legs or hiding in the boot of a car!

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]Show me one trade greater than GLO or Oando! You must so stup!d to think selling pirated CDs or spare part is what Lagos burn to sail. Global fleet nko?

The richest nigerians on forbes are
1. Aliko Dangote
2. Mike Adenugu
3. Jimoh Ibrahim

the last two plus wale Tinubu worth more than your entire south east region.[/quote]Oando sells what, bro. Think hard.
I can't fit laf!

Why do you think Dangote, Adenugu, Jimoh Ibrahim will remain when the economic rug has been pulled? Except out of stup!dity?

[quote author=ekt_bear]I made a comment earlier to shymmex...some things are for discussion PRIVATELY, outside of NL. Others are for public consumption.

If there was a private Yorubaland forum or whatever, then yes, it makes sense to discuss the merits/demerits, impact on Lagos, etc of the country splitting up.

But how can you be discussing strategy with folks who aren't on the same team as you? It makes no sense.

What is the point of a Yoruba man discussing Lagos with someone like Beaf?

I honestly don't get it. We aren't on the same side..[/quote]Look at this internet hero! Me when be omo Eko dan dan ni!
Americana, somebody like you would have to take permission from me to move an inch in Lagos!
If is say, "sit down!" You will bloody sit down,

You nefa see sontin. I remember during the MKO crisis when only men could venture on the highway; you should have seen how people were taking permission from me and my brother! "Egbon mi! Alaye! Fada! Will you allow us to pass?"

Ol' boy! Don't test me in Lagos o! I will sell you and then sell your soul!

Aigbofa: You are partially right, because only the UN can prevent Odua Republic from annexing the SS and any other Mickey Mouse republics that might be created therein.

But we will have the money to clobber you repeatedly na!
You think war is cheap biz?

Oyel = power.

Aigbofa: Cheap blackmail. Instead of collapsing, it will become a less congested and less chaotic city. Whatever vacuum is created by the departing SS and South easterners will be occupied by other people.
Lagos was thriving long before they came and it will thrive long after they are gone.

It will collapse, bro. I am sure the sheer magnitude of investments has not hit you yet. What will you do without banks for example? How do you cope with the sheer volume of cash any banks moving out would take along? How do you keep any decent property prices when Igbo business men, Igbo traders and banks are selling up and making a dash for the door?

Its not a scenario that would encourage positive economic growth. In fact, it might turn out to be a fatal shock.
Finance doesn't thrive on mere sentiment.

Onlytruth: Well, I hope it is that simple.
Lagos is the one city where Igbo have their biggest investment. My hunch is that they would try to have a peaceful resolution to issues of citizenship. They would want to stay there (at least initially), and would only leave willingly after Biafra or Alaigbo offers something better (which will happen in the future). The problem is that some Yoruba elements may attempt something funny before that peaceful departure.

I strongly believe common sense will prevail in the event of a break up. In fact, I will wager that Lagos state would be at the forefront of a negotiation for Southern Nigeria, because it has way too much to lose. Almost all the banks are owned by SS people and almost all the trade is owned by SE people; how is anyone going to survive that pulling out?

The "foreigners" would also not want to lose business and property in Lagos, so they would be very amenable to a negotiated settlement. I would, rather than see my property become worthless or even lost.

Katsumoto: Thats your opinion though. If some leave, others will simply take their places. The history of Lagos suggests that it is a dynamic city and it will continue to grow.

In the event of the collapse of the union, there will be very heavy economic realignments. That is the law of the jungle.
It would be in everyones interests to keep their investments relevant, but in the event of a land grab, things would rapidly be overtaken by cobwebs as there would be a scramble to divest before things hit rock bottom.

Its when you consider all these things that you get a glimpse of where Afenifere is coming from. Because, if the North goes, its gameover; anything would be possible after that.

[quote author=ODUA_NEGRO]Beaf is always throwing SS in there to get relevance for the "creeks", even when the talk is about mountains and hills, he will come up with a Mount GEJ that's spitting lava into the creeks.

Beaf, this talk is for ethnicities that live above sea level.[/quote]I don't know how you look at things (maybe through drugged eyes), but the SS is Nigeria's economic engine. One has to be quite foolish to talk about its "relevance." You really should be asking about the "relevance" of other areas.

Katsumoto: In other words, the Yoruba people are by standers? You really think lowly of Yoruba people. So once everyone moves out, Yoruba people will be left to suffer!!!!!!!!

There are no Yoruba who own banks, media houses or are successful businessmen?

No, I am saying the "foreign" commercial stake in Lagos is way too high to be trifled with; it is humongous. There will be no bloodshed, strife or ethnic cleansing, because the place will collapse into nothingness.

I wonder what all the long arguments about Lagos are if Nigeria breaks up tomorrow?
The banks and media are owned by SS people, trade is owned by SE people, customs is run by Northerners etc. The place will simply collapse and not be worth anybodies fight.
Cost of property will plummet to worthlessness as is happening in the boko haram areas.

A break up is not something any pragmatic person outside of oil producing areas will consider, because as fstranger rightly said (and I said earlier), Nigerians cannot think of anyway forward outside of oil.

It is better for us to think about ways to diversify the economy instead of talking about a breakup that only the oil producing areas will survive. Most other parts of the country will instantly transform into warzones with local strongmen in a desperate struggle for survival that will make Somalia look lame. It will be unpredictable and bloody.

Ibime: In the bible, David had to chide Joab for killing Absalom on his behalf.

Lets just say that even Odili did not know when some of his political enemies were eliminated and had to chide his boys on at least one occasion for overzealousness in protecting oga's political interests.

Some guys forget that certain saints they proclaim today were their oga's eyes, ears, mouth and hand during the most murderous regime Rivers State (or any state in the Federation) has ever seen.

As for Epomas contention, it is not beer parlour gossip, although open to embellishment and people who add jara. Viki boys run Rivers State and Speaker of the "House of Vikings" is no saint.

I've always known the cult thing to be a problem in Rivers, however they seem to have been cleared out under Amaechi. Its not like the sort of thing witnessed in Delta these days (not saying Delta is anything like Rivers used to be though) with a beer palour being sprayed on one occasion.
So Amaechi was Odili's enforcer if I understand you correctly?

“We wish to emphasise that this is not just another coup, [size=14pt]but well executed for the marginalised, oppressed and enslaved people of the Middle Belt and the South[/size] with a view to freeing ourselves and our children yet unborn from eternal slavery and colonisation by a clique of this country,” Orkar said.

E don te since we de vex, but pipo no understand.
I hope it will not be too late when the coin finally drops.

manny4life: ...

My only blame to NOI was that she did not develop a strong internal control system for effective analysis, she did not do a through job in questioning certain invoices, and as a finance expert, since she knew that payment has exceeded budget, she did not invoke certain mitigatory measures like suspending payments, spot audits etc... but as per the payment, she did what's I think she could have done.

Lol! Bro, it is impossible to do a spot audit on NNPC. They don't even use computers for their transactions, its all written on scraps of paper... Which get lost!
The woman did all she could do.

Lol! Did Asiwaju run?

On a serious note, the police watched? Damn!

shymmex: The only place in the UK that's overwhelmingly minority is Bradford, with Pakistanis - but they're put in check 24/7, trust me... They watch them all the time...

Crap.
Huge swathes of London have overwhelmingly minority populations. Parts of North/North West London are almost entirely Indian, other parts have very high Jewish populations (Edgeware, Golders Gree, St Johns Wood), Edgeware rd has a high Arab population and then there's Brixton, Peckam, Tooting etc.

shymmex: I was raised in London, and I still live here. Minority don't make up to 10% of the UK population.. Blacks are only visible in London, and probably Birmingham, and we're not upto 2% of the population, FACT!!!

London, which has the largest minority population in the UK, we're not even upto 15% of the population of London.

You just identified 99% of your problems. I made a comment on another thread that almost all the ethnic bigots on NL are Nigerians who live abroad and have been cut off from their identities, so they think of ethnicity in the same way they think of their allegiances to their street gangs.

Fortunately for those on the ground, it is not so.

A yoruba man can walk into the middle of the road in Warri and haul insults at Ijaw, Urhobo and Itsekiri languages or traditional dress... Absolutely nothing will happen, in fact people would laugh at him at worst. The very same thing can happen in Lagos, Ibadan, Enugu or Onitsha.
The foolishness on NL is caused by folk like you who simply wouldn't buy a ticket to pay a visit.

Iliveon: I read a post of yours about the FIRS woman who changed Nigeria tax system and everyone was full of praise for the woman. NOI should be the agent of change in Nigeria and i think that was why GEJ appointed her. She might want to make changes but it seems she is overwhelmed by the situation. Stating conflicting figures on the volume of oil we consume and amount paid on subsidy by top govt officials show how terrible government operates in Nigeria. That is even enough for them to be ashamed of. If you say NNPC should be disbanded, are you not indirectly saying Madueke is not capable and should be sacked?

My brother, tax and oil are a totally different ball game. Its like comparing shina rambo to the Sicilian Mafia.

By the way, NNPC was set up according to certain statutes and goals (the major one being to rap'e the country blind). NNPC is like a country within a country, taking it down is the equivalent of civil war. It might take years for ordinary eyes to fully appreciate what I am saying. The fact that a couple of women have tried is enough to write their names in gold forever.

Aigbofa: I must belong to the other 5% then. I believe oil did more damage to Nigeria than good. How can true federalism mean more money from Abuja? How does that work?

For the more money from Abuja argument, look to ACN's points for true federalism. If they didn't have that more money from Abuja nonsense, it would have been easy to drive the argument through the NASS with the entire South united.

You are right that oil is at the root of our problems, especially corruption and lack of development.

afam4eva: Delta state is more complicated than some people think. Urhobos, Itshekiris, Isokos and maybe Ijaws have so much intertwined that at times it's not easy to tell one from the other. ok, maybe not. But they've become so related despite the constant fighting in-between them. So, the fate of one group will, to a large extent determine the fate of the other.

Thank you jare! A lot of people think they can come between us with divide and rule, because we have our little family quarrels (I know Warri man's "little" is like massive shiit to the Shymmexes of this World sha ).
There is no way to seperate us, cos we are strongly glued together.

Aigbofa: The people who care about the oil are the same people who would not entertain any idea of restructuring Nigeria.

That is not true. 95% of Nigerians cannot imagine life without oil and neither do they even remotely [b]understand [/b]what restructuring Nigeria entails. Then there is a small dishonest percentage that believes true federalism means more money from Abuja.

shymmex: I had to laugh at the bolded part.

It displayed your ignorance about, who the Japanese were before the 2nd world war... Nigeria doesn't even possess the technological know-how Japan had in the 1920s.. You're comparing apples to oranges here, bruv.

I'm not against diversifying the economy - but back your points up with plausible examples - not fallacies.

Yeah, before WWII they had oil, init? Ode!

[quote author=ekt_bear]Basically if Nigeria splits up, and if your concern is that Yorubaland in Kwara or Kogi will somehow join the North, I think your concerns are overblown.

Their leaders aren't morons, right? Lol.

And certainly the people are not morons.

Regarding Itsekiri...well in my opinion, when Nigeria splits up, so will Delta State, and the various groups there will realign with whoever they feel more comfortable with.

But that is neither here nor there. Long story short, stop borrowing another man's trouble.[/quote]Delta state will most likely join with Edo to form a country, or we might all look toward the East and Middle Belt, if the SW goes on its own. It is only those without a clue that think it will split; there is no Itsekiri man that does not have Urhobo first cousins and vice-versa. Many Urhobo's bear Itsekiri surnames, just as many Itsekiri's bear Urhobo surnames.
I find the NL preocupation with us to be borne of ignorance.

Aigbofa: Average Nigerian mentally lazy? The military is to blame for distorting the economy by focusing solely on oil and neglecting agriculture which was mainstay of the economy long before oil was discovered.
The average Nigerian does not benefit from the oil, why then do you think they care about the oil?

So why is it that each time we have a discussion, 95% of people cannot see a way forward outside oil? It is annoying. Sometimes I actually start wondering if the discredited research about Nigeria's IQ levels was true afterall; it is a horrible thought, but it does strike me.

shymmex: I'm not worried about them, but Yorubas have interests in both regions.. We've Yorubas in Kwara, and Kogi in the middle belt - and Ilajes, and arguable Itsekiris in SS.. That should be part of our national interest - and we also need a buffer zone, to prevent whatever crisis they may be going through in those regions - from spilling over to Yoruba towns.

I don't think they share the same fears or forced "brotherhood" that you are projecting.

Personally, I think ECOWAS is a great thing having benefited directly from it, trading along the W.African coast.
You will also find that the entire W.Africa depends very greatly on Nigeria's industrial output (meagre as it is). Therefore any improvements in industrial output in Nigeria or any countries resulting from breakup will see a ready and open market.

DaLover: This will not negatively impact on my self esteem building lectures, for the next exercise...

place both finger tips hands on the sides of your forehead, slowly turn them anticlockwise and say slowly...

"my creativity is my own limit"
"my creativity is my own limit"
"my creativity is my own limit"

take a deep breath, relax....

after this your self esteem would have improved from -10% to 5%....
there is still more work to follow...

Lol!

shymmex: Nah, that's a response to someone telling me I suffer from low-self esteem... I guess he thought I was a northerner.

I actually don't care if you are from my village, just get your head in gear.

shymmex: It's easier said than done, if it was that easy - other regions in Nigeria would have the same investments as Lagos... Okorocha wouldn't go to Kosovo (a third world country) to seek investments.. Ghana won't be begging Nigeria to invest in their country, and states like Calabar, Rivers, Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom, and Delta won't be so dependent on oil...

Lagos has investments, because it used to be the capital. Abuja is currently enjoying the same sort priviledges and is by far the most developed part of the country. What I am stressing here is that none of that development is due to brain power and application of creativity.

The average Nigerian has sadly sunk into an abyss of mental laziness that says it is impossible to get money outside oil. A country like Japan has few mineral resources, maybe just sand; yet they are the 3rd biggest economy in the World. What I am asking you to do is simply to pick up courage; there is more wealth in the mind of your fellow man than there is in a thousand barrels of oil. How can such minds be tapped to make your region and every other self-reliant?

shymmex: Go and build the self-esteem of your land locked people in igbo land, pillock... Yo, I'm from LAGOS - and we have oil and bitumen in abundance.. I'm an EPE NATIVE - so, take your bs to your people in the East, and Northerners.

Nobody gives a phuck where you are from. Just grow some balls, thats all... Especially in the creative department.

shymmex: My initial post was based on your usual sentiment about other region being parasites.. To be honest, I don't really care about the oil - Nigeria was better before oil was discovered..

My point is that, rather than clamour for breaking the union - why can't we harness our greatest strength - which is our population, and strive for the better Nigeria??

Your initial post was based on your low self-esteem and perhaps, low IQ. It is the same thing starkly revealed below, a brain totally dead to creative thought:

shymmex: How will you get money to finance everything, and what about the mentality of the people?? Even if Nigeria breaks up, the people and their mentality won't change - it is still going to be the same people... And how would you deal with the influx of migrants from the former Nigeria - who may be less fortunate in their new republics??

What a disgrace! Why do you need crutches when you are not disabled?

Next time, learn to focus on the topic and you will sound like your brain actually works a bit. How can the phucking economy be diversified and how can you become self-reliant? Damn!

shymmex: Everything about you is oil - but the funniest thing is that, your ethnic group don't produce any oil.. And Lagos, which is not even an oil producing state - contributes 18% of Nigeria's GDP - which is higher than what most oil producing states bring into the national wealth..

You used to be intelligent, and knowledgeable - but ethnic chauvinism, and partisan politics have eroded all that.. I guess that's the story of the average Nigerian a la Reuben Abati.

The above sounds unbelievably stup!d.

The simple issue is how the economy can be diversified and each region become self-reliant. Ok?
Not your daft rant that only reveals a shocking degree of low self esteem. How do you get your phucking region to be self-reliant? How hard is that to tackle as a subject?

Demdem: And yet these liars kept on talking authoritatively then as if they are giving us the correct information. labelling others then as novices. Do u think we all av forgotten how these liars kept going from one media house to the other selling lies. Stop ur deception boy. Your hypocrisy is monumental.

You are just a clown without brains. The fact that all oil figures come from a single source (NNPC) would make a more honest person than yourself ask questions about the NNPC. But, your agenda is sinister, so you ask for those who quoted NNPC figures instead of the source of the figures.

Tell me if your argument is more reasonable than anything expected from a hyena and rep of oil thieves who want to obfuscate the truth.