₦airaland Forum

Callotti: No. I think the North poses a greater threat. The FG should curtail that area first. No need acting like the EFCC. . .going after small fish while sharks are on the lose. Are there bombings in Osun State?

The entire army is on every street in the North. What more do you want? Just pray Osun doesn't get to that level, they can find out from the Northerners and Niger Deltans (those with first hand experience) that military occupation is a terrifying prospect.

How did a person like Aregbesola ever get into govt? I am no longer surprised at the call for his medical records.

NorthSharp: But we should not fall for the fallacy of mistaking A PART of something for the WHOLE of that thing; unless someone somewhere can somehow prove that what we see in these few pictures represent the WHOLE of the road construction efforts of the Osun State Government, it is NEITHER LOGICAL NOR FAIR for anyone to ridicule the WHOLE of the road construction and rehabilitation efforts of the state government on the basis of this scanty pictorial evidence.

Yes, the pictures might depict a small-scale rural road rehabilitation initiative that might appear shoddy and shabby, but what if that is just a tiny part of the whole picture? What if there are far larger scale, better executed and more completed road projects in the state that we have not yet seen?

So IMHO we should wait for more pictures 'from the other side' before we can judge whether those who praise Aregbesola as a working governor are right or wrong, and whether his road construction and rehabilitation efforts deserve a praise or ridicule.

Sorry, bro. Those shabby pics are the ones released by the Osun state govt as evidence of their large scale road construction.
The link provided is owned by the Osun Govt. Here it is again:

http://www.onewsportal.com/gallery/road-construct-across-osun-state/

Aregbesola is the most useless "leader" ever to perch on our political horizon.

Gbawe: Alj, rather odd you are keen to believe the lies of the most deceptive reprobate on this forum. How many times has Beaf being discredited for his lies especially against the SW? Everyone has now worked out that he is a Yoruba wannabe who feels rejected by Yoruba folks. Hence his constant malevolent obsession with the region and its people. It does not look good , as per your judgement and motivation, that you are keen to believe a totally discredited character.

Is it not how another clown and hater (e-Edicolove) claimed Fashola has not carried out one single drainage project in Lagos State till I produced pictures on Nairaland I took with my own camera showing drainage projects in Lagos. Alj, sometimes it is best to say nothing than feel you must comment all the time. I have put Edicolove's lies against Fashola to bed permanently and the same will happen with Beaf's lies because even the worst hater of Aregbesola's will testify to the man's competence concerning road construction. Beaf's hatred is just diluted with wannabeism. That is why he is here trying to use rudimentary spin to divert attention away from what is inevitable. Is it Beaf that will know more about the SW, even if an incurable Yoruba wannabe, than the indigenes of Osun who have testified to the fact that work is ongoing on roads in the State?


http://nationalmirroronline.net/opinion/36455.html

Dude, are these pictures not the ones released by Osun state govt? Why all the long crap you posted here? Why does ACN need to resort to ethnic bigotry?

Anyway, where are the pics of "Evidence Of 'Massive" ''Dry Season" Road Construction Across Osun State' that you have taken with your own camera?
Dem don lost?

The "secessionist" Aregbesola is just there, telling high stories like you and doing fuckall.
Bros, do they actually teach una how to tell high stories, right from Lai Mohammed down?

Congrats to Rosberg, that was a bloody great lap!

Where is Gbawe jare!

Vettel fails to make Q1! While Webber is the fastest in Q2!
Damn!

[size=13pt]Rashidi Yekini[/size]

Austin Okotcha
Kanu Nwankwo
Segun Odegbami
Phillip Osondu (the "under 16" who bluntly refused to grow when fed cornflakes in Europe)

Ferrari must have brought rocks to tie to their cars as their vaunted upgrades; final practice in Shanghai has seen them as 16th and 18th fastest. Who'd a thunk it?!

Quali proper is not too far off now, but I can't see them making it past Q2 (Massa might not even make Q2).

koruji: Isn't it crazy?

The real problem is that the PDP FG is antagonistic to [size=18pt]the progressive moves of Aregbesola[/size]. However, they are in control of the national security apparatus. No doubt GEJ and his agencies were using these powers to unduly further the cause of PDP in Osun State, and Aregbesola probably shut it down - AS HE SHOULD!!!

Hence they are fuming in the mouth - they can go eat live 700KV wire for all I care.

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jmaine: Well, if there is one thing am certain about . .the L.G.A council in Osun State do often grade the roads intermittently to make it motorable always . . . Dont know if this is part of those local council initiatives

Nah, the pic on the top right has a sign that claims the job for the state govt.

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If you have the real pictures of "massive road construction" post them nau! Which one be di big grammer na?
Abi grammer na pisho?

koruji: What's your "crooked" point?

Do you have more pictures?
I'm only trying to help Aregbesola here by displaying the full 'Evidence Of "Massive" "[b]D[/b]ry Season" Road Construction Across Osun State.'

No be small tin, my broda!
You know Aregbesola spent 9 months as sole lord without commissioners, boasting about the miracle of road construction he would bring about inthe "dry season" with 50billion World Bank funds.

As we see am be dis o! "Massive road construction!"

One last thing; a close look at the foot of the link provided will prove it to be part of Aregbesola's secessionist movement. The smoking gun is the phrase:
"Powered By [b]Ministry [/b]of Information and Strategy"

shymmex: All the monies we kept wasting in developing the oil sector - why can't we use part of it - in diversifying our economy? We can develop the agric. sector, solid minerals etc. - thus, creating more jobs for the masses. We need to cut the cost of governance, and develop our transport, and power sector as well.

I don't believe in the FG developing every sector. At best they should give loans to the states and LG's based on solid business ideas.
Right now, it is only FG money we spend. What do we have states and LG's for? They are the ones who are meant to develop tourism, manufacturing, services etc. The FG should only be concerned with creating an enabling environment.

We should be sick of hearing "FG this, FG that" and begin to demand that the officers we elected to represent us actually begin to work for their pay.
That is the only way we will develop.

Na wa!

https://www.onewsportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/road-gallery2.jpg

http://www.onewsportal.com/gallery/road-construct-across-osun-state/

shymmex: You're smarter than this Beaf. Take politics out of this - and look it as a Nigerian.

Maybe you know the magic formula of becoming rich by producing nothing? Please tell me, cos I wanna be rich doing nothing.
Countries are rich, because their equivalent of states and LG's are productive, up and doing.

[quote author=Musiwa,,]I laugh when i read this. How can osun state secede out of Nigeria. I laugh so bad, that tear fall from my eyes. Can osun state secede out of Nigeria. osun state is a state inside the western niger.[/quote]All hail Aare Musiwa I! Alaye baba o!
You are correct jare! Osun is inside the Western Niger, how can they secede without the satellite pictures?

Ola one: I did not say the States and LGs are performing wonders. They are equally culpable.

Are you saying the fault lies solely with the States and LGs? One would think that with PDP's overwhelming majority at federal level, effecting necessary changes to bring about judicious use of scarce resources shouldn't be a Herculean task. Why have these needed reforms in our fiscal system remained little more than pious hopes despite the fact that we know that fiscal rascality remains a cog in the wheel of progress of the polity? The PDP has enjoyed its overwhelming majority at federal level for more than a decade now
I would like to have your own take on this, Beaf.

Sincerely speaking, I don't see how the FG can be held responsible for our everyday problems. Yes, we can argue that the structure of the nation is wrong and has birthed a vicious cycle of corruption feeding on chaos, but the greater proportion of the blame goes to those who are closest to the grassroots - LG's and states. The electorate also, for shirking knowledge of why they vote.

If we hope that a vote for fiscal federalism will ever be passed by the NASS without pressure from the street, then thats a hope too far. The reason is simply that we have absolved them off any responsibility to lay blame on the FG instead. That unfortunate state of affairs has freed our govs, LG chairmen, legislators and senators off any accountability to we, the electorate. We have left them free to act as they please, afterall money will flow Abuja regardless of if the work for the willingly subservient masses or not; so why bother to work?

What did we elect them for if they do not represent us?
That is a fundamental question we should be asking ourselves.

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Nah, we simply upload our proof on youtube so we can have a good laugh and prepare minds for when the true winners take over come 2015.
You guys are burning brightly to die early.

My broda, you are slowly turning "Musiwaic" and having a conversation with yourself.
Abeg, go and rest. You are tired and your battery is weak.

Deep down, I think Aregbesola has only been caught out by his foolish politics. Osun doesn't have the resource base to secede.

The man has foolishly been going round with tawun carring unknown flags before him, not just that, but playing an unknown anthem in place of the Nigerian one; even at official functions that demand decorum and gravity. I have been saying that the man is mad, but it might be something else.

Ola one: I will call Beaf out when he starts clamouring for true federalism

I don't know how you expect the States and LGs to do this when the FG chose to yank off them - albeit illegally, the power to raise their own revenue and control their own destiny.
The FG has arrogated to itself the power to oversee the whole country and only doles out what it likes to these States.

When did the FG yank the power to raise revenue from any state or LG? The only states that applies to are the oil producing states.

There is no excuse for the rot we find our states and LG's in. It is an absolute disgrace that they cannot think beyond splitting money from Abuja into their personal accounts; you and I are to blame for this, not the FG. Reason? We blame the FG and dole out chieftancy titles instead of burning down the homes of the bastar'ds that are supposed to represent us, but steal our money and kids futures instead.

Brixtonyute: The bolded part of your post is because the FG takes the bulk of the money. You're a PDP guy, and they're power now - if they really care about Nigeria - why can't they RETURN us back to REGIONAL GOVERNMENT - where we won't have to bother about the FG anymore?

I bet you guys will NEVER do that because of the largesse at the center. That's more reason why the woman needs to shut up, and do her job. She has no control over state governments - and they're entitled to what's in the CONSTITUTION. If she doesn't like it - she should get her PDP croonies to change the backward constitution to TRUE FEDERALISM. Till then, she needs to shut up.

Firstly, I am not a PDP guy, I just prefer that party by a long shot.

The FG takes the bulk of the money, because the states and LG's produce absolutely nothing. What we have is a crowd of leeches who are unaccountable to the electorate, because all focus is on Abuja. Until each and every one of us realises that our current constitution only enslaves us and our childrens children, we will not move an inch toward either national development or national happiness.

If it was as easy as getting any party to immediately entrench true federalism, it would have been done yesterday; however, the core-North is vehemently opposed and the SW's definition demands even more dependence on Abuja, the Middle Belt position is not solid in any direction; this leaves only the SS and SE demanding true federalism in its purest form. Evidently, a lot of politicing still needs doing to harmonise positions across the country and raise awareness (which is why you keep hearing echo's about true federalism from Iweala and GEJ's other people).

How can Nigeria be "so rich" when the states and LG's generate zero revenue?
It is Friday night sha, so the OP might be suffering from brain f[i]a[/i]g.

The man should tell us whose flags servants have been carrying before him at all meetings and whose national anthem he has been playing.

[quote author=Yeske!]Are you disowning her yet again?[/quote]Abeg, leave confused individuals jare! Low self esteem de worry dem.

Brixtonyute: What has the federal government done? NOTHING!!

They have all failed Nigeria and Nigerians - and even if we go broke, the average Nigerian won't feel it - it means all these clueless leaders would have less to steal. Phuck all of them!!!!

The bolded is my exact point. If our LG's and states were not simply conduit pipes for money to divide, you wouldn't look to the FG.
It is unnatural to look to the FG for wellbeing, employment and technological progress. Those things are the duty of state govts and LG's; that is how things work in funtioning countries. Our "FG is everything" mentality is a throwback to our unfortunate past under military dictatorships; the harm to our national psyche is lasting.

If Nigeria were to break up today, the average person would be tremendously punched by the immediate collapse of the following:
1. Education.
2. Healthcare
3. Banking
4. Civil service salaries
5. Commercial flows
6. Police
7. Military
8. etc etc

As for me, I pray that the country goes broke and grinds to a jarring hault. The ensuing mayhem will crack open any stiffened bolts in our collective IQ and we will suddenly realise the sacredness of the maxim; "those who don't work shall not eat."

There is no reason in Gods Good Book why our states and LG's are not developed and why the average person thinks more about a drop of oil money than demanding credible, visible and quality of life enhancing development from state and LG.

I keep asking if Nigerians actually think their state govs and LG chairmen are elected only for decoration, with their sole task being to do fuckall and still get awuf from Abuja to pocket.

Brixtonyute: The problem is that the Nigerian constitution is flawed! In a real federalism - the federal shouldn't be the one telling the states what they're entitled to - it should be the other way round. This clueless woman needs to shut the hell - how can you demand "fiscal federalism" - in a system, which operates everything BUT federalism - isn't that oxymoronic?

I still don't how some of these so-called "educated" managed to get beyond the four walls of a university. I think she's better off at the world bank; than taking Nigeria into abyss, with her voodoo economics.

We need to cut the darn size of the government - and reduce the recurrent expenditure by at least 50% - that's what this stupid woman should be clamouring for.

It is for you to note that the people in the highest echelons of govt believe in true federalism. It is for you to take that and run with it, the govt cannot force your legislator or senator to vote in its direction; that is your job. Go and do it, intead of expending energy in a fight to shoot yourself in the foot.

My brother, let us stand back and be wise. Nigeria is a tough place politically, always have your ear to the ground to know what is going on and what messages are being passed to you.

Ola one: I am tired of this woman's half-arsed explanations. She can't even have a toe-hold on the economy for G's sake.

And about fiscal federalism, Beaf, I hope you understand the FG is the no1 parasite. Your State (Delta) should be an Eldorado in a truly federal, fiscal system

Forget about my state, bro. It isn't important to the raw facts.
Dude, assume Nigeria didn't have oil. In such a situation, do you think the governors would be demanding every spare penny that the country wants to save?

debosky: How much of the FG's share has she saved before we talk about other levels of government sharing funds? If we assume that she's been saving the FG's share and it amounts to 3.6bn, the savings that you could've made from the states is on the order of 3bn - is that the 'saving' she is talking about?

As the saying goes - people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Where is the fiscal prudence by the FG to support this view of hers that the governors are the cause? Must the FG also spend all of its allocation in order to 'compete' with the states?

That question is frankly stup!d.

A cursory glance at the constitution will tell you that governors have the right to demand every last penny. Please educate yourselves before asking these funny questions.

If the states and LG's were not simply parasiting on the FG, would we be having this argument?
Okonjo Iweala is damn right to raise the issue of fiscal federalism, it is high time our states and LG's got their arses tightly packed and started generating revenue. We are all beggars, unfortunately many of us lack the shame to stand upright and drop the begging bowl. Why should the states and LG's continue acting like invalids with no plan, brains or pride?

Me I don tire for una o!