₦airaland Forum

Gbawe:
Who will do that when GEJ cannot lead by example in that respect? You and others spammed the forum shamelessly before the election telling us GEJ will show strenght once elected for 4 years. Now that this has happened, you are then putting the onus of change at the feet of Nigerians and inadvertently admitting that the man most empowered to lead by example in securing this change is not up to the job. What is the point of having a President when you will then ask the people to do everything? Did Amosun not write the Ogun State legislators to achieve the same thing i.e secure a change in the law to facilitate cuts in the salary of Government officials including himself? Keep shifting the goalposts. Nothing new here since we all know your shifty nature.

Dude, buy a hyena and take to clowning along with your "owners of Nigeria." You will be met.
It is stup!d to compare Amosuns writing his reps to something as monumental as changing the constitution, it just goes to show your market womans grasp of higher issues. An absolute disgrace.
If you think you have no stake in the constitution and need to be spoonfed, then it is safe to say you are hopelessly lost.

Since GEJ's advent, he has repeatedly cut the budget for the executive and the NASS. Only a dolt with a bigotted sense of reality like yourself and your "owners of Nigeria" would claim ignorance to the friction that caused.

Dude, get out on the streets and carry out your sectional "revolution," we will be watching it on TV and some will be writing Nollywood scripts around your bigotted id!ocy.

Aigbofa:
It is just a lot easier for your boss to put the squeeze on the Nigerian people than to confront the armed robbers operating right in front of his face!

If it is easier for GEJ to remove the subsidy than for you to push for constructive changes in the constitution, then something is fundamentally wrong with your priorities.

You are one of those that rants about true federalism, yet here you are screaming for freebies. Under true federalism, the FG would have little say in the petroleum sector, talkless of handing out retarded subsidies. I have asked earlier, why don't we subsidise toilet roll or maybe things like wood, plates, spoons etc?

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I have deliberately ignored your post, because it is not only bigotted (confirming the reason for this article), it is also totally false and id!otic.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=838107.msg9890681#msg9890681 date=1325638089]Is that not what Falana told Iweala and co at the open meeting on channels. Why have they not done that yet before the removal ?

care to answer[/quote]Falana told Iweala and co that they should hit the streets. You are a real donkey.

@Gbawe
Keyamo is asking for evidence that he can take to court. He did not ask for retarded dolts to take to the streets, neither did he make a single inflamatory or hypocritical statement like your useless shiit called Aregbesola.

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Yeah, I can point out his family compound. Die if you like.

mikeansy:
Nigerian politicians are the highest paid in the world. Perhaps we wont have to borrow if the cost of Governance is reduced!

The last time I checked high wages for legislators, Governors, their staff, the large number of ministries we have, the large size of Government does not add anything back to the Government. Any honest austerity measure must begin from there.

I think there is something wrong when a Nigerian Senator makes more money in Salary than a UK or US Senator and yet we know the story of unaccounted money in Nigeria which public officials squander!

I 100% agree with the above.

If anybody is suggesting riots and burning for the purpose of reducing the salaries of NASS members; then I am all for it. We have been taken for a ride for too long by a group of overpaid loafers, who know more about corruption than how to legislate progress.

Hitting the streets to force through a change in the constitution that will bring about smaller govt also has my support.

mikeansy:
Beaf

Thanks for trying to explain Fedralism. Well I know what fedralism is but what I don't quite know is how it directly relates to this topic of fuel subsidy removal. If there was true fedralism in Nigeria, it will simply mean revenue accrued from "CRUDE OIL" not petrol, not diesel  will be controlled by either individuals or cummunities where this oil exists.  Even at that if we were practicing true Fedralism government could still be in control of refineries as Nationalised oil companies (like NNPC) or you can have refineries owned by co-operations or individuals.

The reason we have fuel subsidy is because we have a dodgy system where Government wants to control revenue from drilling and marketing of crude oil, refining of crude and marketing of its by-products. Now because of our inefficiency we are unable to refine petrol and diesel locally to full capacity and are having to rely on imports. Now in order for the citizens who do not deserve to suffer as a result of failure of Government not to bear the full brunt of Government inefficiency "fuel subsidy" was introduced as some kind of buffer to gyrations in international oil market. This makes sense because the man from oloibiri or any Nigerian for that matter have no business buying petrol more expensive because Iran/USA are at dispute. Ideally if we were refining locally and are self reliant turbulence in the international market should not be our business.  This is why we have fuel subsidy to make up for the fact that we are not refining locally in order to shield the people from the consequences.

This has nothing to do with introducing true fedralism. Introduction of true fedralism will start from sending a bill to NASS to redistribute power from the centre to the fedrating units and can not be about subjecting the Nigerian people to further hardship, or increasing taxes unjustly on all Nigerians when Government has not in anyway demonstrated its ability to manage our money judiciously. Make no mistake, this is a tax increase on all Nigerians with a wide reaching effect only matched by VAT increase in the Western world. The Government must reverse course, it is a dumb move.

This is our own bread and butter economics and Jonathan is failing the people on it. The PDP is doomed for this policy.

The fuel subsidy can only be removed with much more pain at a later date. The refineries are not working and Nigeria had to borrow to pay the subsidy, that is the stark reality.
Nigeria has been borrowing money to pay a subsidy for fuel consumption in a country that is not generating any money. That is an unworkable situation.

I have used true federalsm figuratively, because those screaming loudest for the subsidy coincide with those whose screams are loudest for true federalism. That to me is hypocrisy.

Gbawe:
Are you capable of acting principled for even one second in your life? Whether he is your friend or not, who cares? What is obvious is that on fuel subsidy, and as a decent Nigerian from an oil producing state conversant with how the less priviledged will suffer immensely, Ifowodo clearly does not agree with your silly stance and attempt to whip up ethnic and feudal senstiments . That is my point . I highlight a part of what he wrote again. I think it is clear you are just up to your usual weasly mischief by now mentioning that ifowodo is your friend and that he "called for the dissolution of Nigeria" blah, blah, blah. What is clear is that the man , unlike you, is vehemently against subsidy removal.

So what if he does not share my argument? We all have independent opinions which is something shameless name-droppers like you cannot understand.
Secondly, Ogaga is not a politician; so why bring his name up? Is he one of those hypocritical liars talking crap like Aregbesola? Did he demand the subsidy, only to double-cross and begin farting through his mouth like your Aregbesola?

Those who are fighting for subsidy freebies are just mentally lazy phucks, the sort of unproductive types Nigeria does not need.

Katsumoto:
Beaf,

Crude oil like most other commodities are gifts of nature/the Almighty. The presence of these commodities in any region does not make those inhabiting the blessed region more hardworking or lazier than those not blessed with such resources. There are too many examples to cite. Your point that those protesting are lazy while those who 'OWN' the oil are hardworking is somewhat mis-guided. Most of those protesting are likely to be people with jobs and/or businesses. Lazy people will not protest because they will simply continue to receive their income through illegal means.

Water is also a "gift of nature/the Almighty," should we not be out there protesting for it to be subsidised? Should we not do the same for sand? Both these things cost the average Nigerian a pretty penny.
The fact that some of the protesters are in jobs or run businesses does not mean they are not mentally lazy and unimaginative. Even Palestine, locked down as it is, is making strides in science and tech through private companies. Whereas, our fellow Nigerians are demonstrating for freebies! Yet, for all their suits and ties, have no enterprises worth showing to the outside World. The demonstration is almost like blackmail or armed robbery.
Something drastic needs to be done to jerk their dormant brains into action.

More than anything, politicians from sections of the country have seized on the mental laziness of the average person to move the country to the brink. It is not surprising that few of these freebie loving troublemakers have never suffered oil polluted foul smelling tap water. They are only there for the freebies, leading their blind people to the precipice.

Katsumoto:
I believe that all parts of Nigeria are blessed with some form of natural resources. It is the laziness and incompetence of those at the centre that prevent the development of these other resources.

So, we are back to the FG doing every little thing for us? Like I said earlier, in our skewed thinking, our governors and LG chairmen were elected for nothing. In other countries, representatives of the people go crazy to ensure that their electorate gets every benefit accruing to them. Our 100% reliance on the FG is a sorry hangover from military dictatorship times, we have been so traumatised that the average Nigerian cannot differenciate between left and right; a confused people, living in chaos.

Katsumoto:
You are right that with federalism being practiced, non-oil producing areas/regions will most likely not receive subsidy but unless the oil-producing areas are self-sufficient, they will still feel the effects of the subsidy removal because other factors of production will be affected by the removal of the subsidy. The cost of living will increase all over Nigeria. Are you suggesting that those in oil producing communities have some buffer to cushion the effects? Besides what is stopping the C-I-C, who is from the Niger Delta, from sponsoring a bill that will result in the practice of true federalism?

Lastly, all Nigerian people will be affected by the removal regardless of whether they protest or not.

Oil producing areas have no buffer and you are right that all will feel the pain. Somehow, people from those areas are swayed by the argument that the removal is good for the economy, as are all unbiased observers.
My question is simple, why are the receivers of largesse raging, while those from whose pollutted lands and rap'ed communities the gifts are sourced, are not? Why the contrived pain?

@Gbawe
I know Ogaga Ifowodo personally as a friend. I can tell you that I even know when he changed his name to Ogaga.
It is wrong for you to twist his words to forge your intellectual ground scrappings and lies.

He called for a dissolution of the country and I back that. Every man, when you have your own country, then demand fuel subsidy.

The comedy on NL is reaching id!ot level.

[quote author=haka_nai link=topic=838107.msg9890477#msg9890477 date=1325632854]Just predictable!!! Some how i knew that it would turn tribal sooner than later or turn into a battle.Already the SS is reminding the North yet again about its readiness to unleash harm to it,simply because of a protest that happens to be national and devoid of a particular tribe but all tribes.If the SS hate for the North is firm,we share same and all the treat they pose we understand and i know its best we watch until a day where the fools will reach there fill and there kai-kai will take them into a frenzy that spells war before they know Better.
        Always blowing hot and intimidating people.Who the bleep are you guys.Just bring it on.No one is a fool  or scared here.If you like, because GEJ na your man open una hand collect the man feces and feed on it,so we know just how you crave to follow him all the way nonsense!!![/quote]Stop saying laughable things and simply make your agenda known. I will ask again, why have you not carried out a revolution against your useless local govt chairman an your governor?
Your state is already fed free by the FG, why are you demanding more? Yet, your state and LG are directly responsible for your upkeep while the FG is not.
Your fight seems very odd and contrived, so I ask what is driving it? Bigotry?

The pain of the removal of fuel subsidy is real, but practically everyone agrees that its benefits are even more so.

mikeansy:
Dayokanu is clearly in a race with himself on who will become the biggest fool on Nairaland. What a little kid!!!!!


Beaf kindly lecture us on the relationship between true Fedralism and fuel subsidy removal. Thank You!!!!

It is quite simple.

True federalism is an architecture that guarantees cultural and fiscal autonomies for all federating units. This is generally done in return for military protection, standards setting, judicial oversight etc.
The federating units are self sustaining and manage their resources (mineral, human, geographic etc) and pay taxes to the center. Out of those taxes, the federal govt may extend help to needy federating units.

With the above, it is plain to see why there will be no fuel subsidies under true federalsim. Even of greater impact, will be the fact that no federating unit will be able to approach Abuja with a monthly beggars bowl for its upkeep; true federalism is an arrangement that enforces healthy rivalry, rapid growth and competition. It challenges the creativity in us and makes that blossom.

It is true federalism that has made the United States of America what it is today. They have a federal structure based on the philosophy of freedom, liberty and the "American Dream" of self-fulfiment.
Contrast that with Nigeria that has a zero guiding philosophy or ideology, a country that revels in chaos. For example, what does a capitalist country gain with chaotic policies like fuel subsidies for consumption, something that is only practised by crackpot nations? What sort of country subsidises consumption, if not a confused and chaotic place? We might as well subsidise toilet roll and fanta, while developed poil producers subsidise Research and Development, defense, science and tech, education, the incubation of high tech industries, manufacturing etc.

Sad story. May his soul rest in peace.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=838107.msg9890233#msg9890233 date=1325628591]Shut it. listen and listen very good.

Our country was formed because of Ironsi and Nnamdi. Both of them were easterners. Now they did it to get all the power from Nigeria in the demise of this "non oil producing state".

Now that things does not suit you, you think you can side line others just because you produce oil ?

The SS/SE minus delta and edo can do what ever they link

protest to start in warri and benin-city tomorrow. stay there dey watch.[/quote]Thank you. Your position on Nigeria is through the prism of bigotry as usual.
Forget the fairy tales of where anybody comes from and simply tell us why you are not suggesting a revolution against your governor or local govt chairman who are doing absolutely nothing to industrialise your state, provide jobs and create hope for your kids?

Why would any right thinking person reach above their local govt and state govts, all the way to the FG for their development? Don't you think something is fundamentally wrong with such thinking? If you ask me, it is such mental laziness and the yearning for unfortunate culture of freebies that is the reason Nigeria is corrupt and undeveloped.

Only lazy, unimaginative hypocrites are demonstrating.

I wonder why nobody is answering my simple question after so many pages:
Why have those from receiving states not carried out revolutions against their governors? Is it ok for all states to be beggars? Where is our pride and dignity as human beings?

Gbawe the champion bigot and self acclaimed representative of the "owners of Nigeria," would you care to reply?

[size=21pt]True federalism or hypocrisy from lazy phucks?[/size]

I de laf ooooooooooooooo!!!!

Aigbofa:
Why don't you just tell your boss to convene a sovereign National conference and make Nigeria a proper federation? Why is it that, it is only times like these you remember Nigeria is a Federation!

The lack of sincerity of this government is so appalling, they keep telling Nigerians to give this up, give that up, eat cassava bread and all that. Yet, Nigerian legislators are some of the highest paid in the world, each of them taking home more money than the president of United States!

Tell your boss and the band of thieves in Abuja to give up their unearned perks. Maybe Nigerians will then listen to them on subsidy.

Firstly, GEJ is the President of Nigeria, not my boss.

Secondly, you are only revealing the very hypocrisy I am talking about. Do your state and LG require an SNG to become productive, instead of hefting a monthly begging bowl to Abuja? The hypocrisy further shows in the fact that you are ready to demonstrate for the right to FG freebies, while you willingly turn a blind eye to the fact that your state and LG do absolutely nothing for you. Do you think the FG is responsible for the development of your state and LG, and your governors job is only to collect more freebies? How will you survive after the SNG, will your state have to go into theft and fraud?

Dude, your post is a sickening example of the disgraceful, lazy-minded, hypocritically-minded atittude of many Nigerians. It is freebie loving lazy people like you that are the real problem with Nigeria and the reason we are not developed.

Ozin:
@Beaf
I feel you my brother.and like u rightly say.it is share laziness for these people to think all they have is oil when in fact those who truely owned the oil are not protesting.It also shows the protest is politically motivated and I truely pray this protest lead to a break-up of the country so that they can start thinking with their head on how to produce and manufacture what can sustain them if they are so blind and mentaly lazy not to tap the resources in their states instead of depending on the FG for everything

Preach, bro.

efisher:
@Beaf, you beat me to it. I was about creating this thread and my title was to be: "Rent Seekers Protest Subsidy Removal As Resource Owners Sit Back!"

There is a big problem of hypocrisy in the country.
Your choice of the words, rent seekers, would have been apt as a title. It is really puzzling that people are ready to overlook the leprousy in their immediate sorroundings to seek rent from Abuja. You would think that their governors and LG chairmen who are suppossed to provide grassroots development and employment were elected as decorations whose only job is to get free oil money from Abuja. How can Nigeria ever develop with such attitudes?

sizzlers:
don worry soon e go start, the major reason is because people wey go protest never fin money wey dey go take come back from village

It will never start. The protests are for lazy phuckers who cannot bear to think.
Under true federalism, there would be no subsidy, so why would Nigerians speak with two sides of the mouth? Why mouth true federalism when many are just lazy clowns?

I am yet to see anybody protesting, because their state govt is phucked and the LG chairman's office serves only as a brothel, while constituents wallow in poverty and unemployment. Do you think your governor and LG chairman were elected for decoration?

Why do we mouth true federalism only to display a total lack of will to think?
I find it weird that anybody would go out and risk their lives whereas, their states produce nothing. Should we not be demonstrating instead for our states and LG's to actually begin developing instead of receiving monthly beggarly money from Abuja?

Abuja does not develop states and LG's, lets find out whose job that is.

If anyone is crying for true federalism, then let them put their money where their mouth is and cut out the hypocrisy of free gifts.

Me and mine will watch the protests on TV.

Since the subsidy removal is all about oil, why are there no protests in the oil producing states of the SE/SS? It is strange.
All Nigerian states do fuckall and get a 100% of their upkeep from oil proceeds shared in Abuja, yet it is states that do not provide a drop of oil that are the venues of the anaemic protests we have seen so far. A very disturbing fact indeed.

No Nigerian state manufactures goods to the extent that they can feed their people. WHY?
No Nigerian state provides jobs and wellbeing. WHY?
Why would states that are basically useless and are fed by the proceeds of others go demonstrating? Are they meant to produce nothing or is the average Nigerian happy to be funded like we are disabled or lazy retards?
Why can people not see that the real problem is the fact that their states and LG's who are supposed to look to their welfare are useless and packed with thieves who are only there to steal the money that is generated from the oil producing states.

Why are people not demonstrating against your governor, if not mental and physical laziness? Why do the "revolutionaries" not think their laziness is not a major part of the reason Nigeria is undeveloped?

talknafree:
This is the problem i keep having with this Imbe-cile of a fellow.
Anytime his full capacity mentality cant meet up with mine in a reasonable discussion, he tries to make a nuisance of himself (and not the thread).

Today, tomorrow and forever, I kick your butt in ways that give your poor lil stone brain a freez'n.
You are right to come here weep'n, cos the beat'n; is like cheatn'!
Unu go wound o!

Accept your beating like a man, sir. Your arse is fried.

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May the soul of the dead rest in peace.

Don't waste your lives. Is it not ironic that there is no protest in the oil producing states?
Why should there be protests by receiver states? It doesn't sound right.

talknafree:
I told him Aril 13th 2011 (in one of the links i posted above) that for every tear shed by a Nigeria due to GEJ hard policies himself and 50 generations yet unborn shall never  be happy on the surface of this earth.

"Beaf, if you have forgotten, still go and check those links because the messages in them will follow you all the days of your life.

Just sharrap and call the rest of your friends to join the pari! Its swing'n dude! Swing'n!!

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The priceless comedy fools provide!

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I didn't see any protest, did you?

talknafree:
You are a Bas-t-ard [size=21pt]for talking to me that way.[/size]
i have engaged you in series of National and International topics and believe me i vowed never to again because you totally lack wisdom and reasoning faculty.

You just come out and blow dust out of the hole on your face you call a mouth (or stick you call fingers)

Your likes are everywhere, and you not what happens to them at the end of the day? they die a miserable death by the road side.

Yeah right! you get deleted every time but your dum-b post still retain its position 2 months after posting, even when nobody views it not to talk of commenting.

Sir, I did not know you were a god!

Let me now repeat in Chinese: Are you vex because, I tell you truth? Which is that you was scraped off a soiled toilet floor? And this is why you is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery stup!d?
See this mud chomping, cassava swilling, belly crawling super arsehole forming yanga!!! Choi!!!
World don hend!!!!
Pesin go wound o!

By your friends, we know you:

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talknafree:
From December to April without me exaggerating, [size=14pt]i had well over 50 posts that were deleted[/size] because most of it centered around why GEJ isn't the best candidate. i was banned over 10 times.

Check out my first post is this page and view the links, those were the very few they didnt delete but threw them deep inside, were no one will find them.

I begged, screamed and warned Nigerians why they shouldn't vote for GEJ, but Seun didn't let people see them.



Posted by: AmeboAjela
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That you are able to post this shows Seun is not a dictator after all,
Anyway Nigerians should enjoy GEJ very well cos they voted for him! Its that simple



Like i said, he is probably sleeping or enjoying some bottles of Gulder down the road.
Once he comes and see this, all hell will let loose.
He fit even vex sack him moderators for "sleeping on duty"

Damn! You is a id!ot and such mass deletion of your post are proof!

I gots the right machine to detect stup!dity, sir. We puts you in front of her, tells you to put in a few yams and we see's what you does!
[size=33pt]Stup!dity can cripple you![/size] :

talknafree:

I TOTALLY AGREE!

Federal Government through Beaf might have probably given him some crispy stuff in white envelop like they gave Tunde Bakare When the save Nigeria group went to visit GEJ in Aso Rock.

Nairalanders una no go do "banning party" for me? because when Seun or him soldiers see this post, Kasala don burst be that oh!

You must be an id!ot.
If I work for the FG and dole out cash to people, do you think I will be banned as often as I am?

All of you in your block of fools are just too lazy to use your heads, so those whose intelligence makes you look like the shiit you are must have been paid. If you need to be paid to be smart, why don't you get someone to give you some cash and see if that will change your low quality brain and raise your abysmally shallow IQ?

Now head back to the putrid toilet floor you were scrapped off.

Put that shiit down, sir. The doctor says your real problem is STUP!DITY!!!

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=836392.msg9884067#msg9884067 date=1325563140]^
Thanks. But I already intend to do that. That's what I meant by fine-tuning. I don't need to integrate anything since I already have all the equations. Deformation, restitiution, and under-damping are the next step. I'd love to leave that as an exercise to the readers, but I do not trust NLers . Dem no go do am.[/quote]Na true jare! Lol!
I really like the way you are going about the coding and commenting every step. Keep it up, bruv.

Lol" This is the fat boko haram!

The one in the middle does look like he has rather pale hands indeed!
That said, they all look like men that have never run more than 3 steps in their lives, so are most likely to be top politicians, businessmen or other fatcats.

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While I see elasticity of the ball, I do not see where that affects its shape on collision. The ball should deform on impact, I think you should integrate the equation of the ellipse into the balls drawing code. That should make it look more realistic.

Nice project, tho. Loving it.