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[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=836524.msg9875661#msg9875661 date=1325439471]What price are you controlling when you are not subsidizing?, This is what I have been trying to put in your cracked head! The UK can tell you hey, you aint selling above this price 'cos we are giving you AYZ to keep your cost at this rate, hence selling at IJK will mean you making massive profit.

In this case, the FG have said they should go it the stuff at prevailing prices and now you want them to sell at a capped price? No chance mate![/quote]I know you don't know jack about the UK. You are just there to count bright lights; for your info, in the UK where you claim to live, there are price controls on things like gas, electricity and rail transport. Ok?

Chubhie:
Beaf do you know how folks like you die?
Blind loyality at it's peak.

Better than bastar'ds and mongrels like you.

youngmonie:
i would like beaf to pls  tells us the mulitplier effects of the removal. We  already know the pros. so PLS TELL US THE CONS.

There will be temporary pain and overall gain in the end.

doctokwus: What is dis rubbish about d PPPA setting a benchmark price for fuel,meaning as a marketer I cannot sell below their regulated price in a so called deregulated mkt.A marketer shd av d freedom to source& sell fuel @any price deemed appropriate,that's y deregulation was brought in.Its either they kp d fuel subsidy or allow mkt forces to totally determine prices.Did anybody set a benchmark for telecommunication companies?Abeg,they shd kp their fuc k ing,corrupt,leprous hands frm pricing entirely

It is for the best that there are price controls (omo tier can tell us more about their benefits if he truly knows about the UK he boasts about).

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=836524.msg9875556#msg9875556 date=1325438154]Look dude, I do not do Wikipedia. I live here, and I know how the system works! If you really think VAT on Fuel are priced high, then you must be something else! Yes UK taxes Fuel just like Nigeria taxes Fuel. Or are you blind to the fact that of the N65 you pay currently at pump price, about N20 or so goes to FERMA for road maintenance? What do you call that?, free gift as your fisher man sees it? [/quote]I am not surprised that you lack knowledge of the UK since you are so ignorant about Nigeria, your home country.
Who gives a damn if you live in the UK? Would that change the fact that a litre of fuel cost £1.00 approx and 57 pence of that is tax?

"I don't do Wikipedia." Crap, how about, you don't do truth?

Nigeria is not a communist country where indolence is subsidised. That whole framework for expoitation has been uprooted.

ziccoit:
One thing is very very clear, removing fuel subsidy is not going to change anything. In fact life would be more difficult. We all know how much kerosine costs after its full deregulation. We need a true leader that will be ready to stand his ground and change the present Nigeria way of doing things.
GEJ told us, if subsidy stayed Nigeria would collapse. Mark my,word, he is coming back to tell us different story tomorrow when he fail to deliver on his promises post-subsidy removal.

GEJ has told you that you will begin to see the benefits of subsidy removal in 6 months, so why not wait?

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=836524.msg9875489#msg9875489 date=1325437265]How much is litre at Tescos, Sansibury and Morrissons Check you VAT below the receipt. Then go over and buy goods in sansibury and check your VAT, then come back here and have a word!  [/quote]You are a funny character indeed, bending the truth to make a washed out argument:

United Kingdom

Main article: Hydrocarbon oil duty

From 23 March 2011 the UK duty rate for the road fuels unleaded petrol, diesel, biodiesel and bioethanol is GB£0.5795 per litre (£2.63 per imperial gallon or £2.19 per U.S. gallon).[6]

Value Added Tax at 20% is also charged on the price of the fuel and on the duty. An additional vehicle excise duty, depending on a vehicle's CO2 production per kilometre, which depends directly on fuel consumption, is also levied.

Diesel for use by farmers and construction vehicles is coloured red (Red Diesel) and has a much reduced tax, currently GB£0.1133 per litre (£0.52 per imperial gallon or £0.43 per U.S. gallon).[6]

Jet fuel used for international aviation attracts no duty, and no VAT.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tax#United_Kingdom

Taxes make up to about half the price paid for fuel at the pump in the UK. It is the same across the developed World, even former communist countries like Russia and China tax fuel.
Tell another story, bruv, cos your current one is weak.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=836524.msg9875439#msg9875439 date=1325436689]YES, our VAT on Fuel is way way less than on other goods and services! That is the UK way of subsidy, okay. , numpty [/quote]So, the UK, a well developed oil producing country actually TAXES fuel? Damn!
And you pay that tax without calling for "revolution?" Chineke me e! Choi!
The worst bit, is calling the tax you pay on fuel in the UK a subsidy! World done hend!

I wonder why you enjoy the good life in the UK, but feel that Nigeria should never be developed; or is it that you want to remain an "oppressor?"
Wake up and smell the coffee. Baseless hatred won't get you anywhere and it is bad for your health.

^
Phuck off with your id!ocy.

[quote author=Omo_Tier]Have you asked yourself what INFRASTRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENT  the money saved from the removal of subsidy from disel was used for  

Jonathan is a coward [size=14pt]Ciroma actually said He was! [/size][/quote]I always knew there was something weird about you. So Ciroma is your role model?
You guys are gonna have your arses baked real good, keep screaming about oil when una no get! LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!

Today is Nigeria's real independence day, the day the man in the street got free.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=836524.msg9875381#msg9875381 date=1325436132]Enough of Talk, any NEWS of protest being planned for tomorrow?, Sad I just returned to the UK last week, any news guys My head is doing me in typing this, Any PROTEST !!![/quote]The UK is a very very developed oil producing country. Is there any subsidy there?
Lol!

Nigeria MUST develop, regardless of what naysayers holla.

Helleluyah!
Subsidy is gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone!!!!

[size=33pt]Gone!!![/size]

UYCO:
Doctowus
Don't let Warri boys here you make this type of statement, it is obvious that you are not from Delta State. If you are living in Warri, you will thank the governor for picking people from the street. There is no gentle man in that part of the country, if you don't pick boys from the street, they will make life miserable for you.

My guy, you are a fool without principles. People who blow in the wind are traitors who will sell their mothers.
You spent the whole of last year brutally condemning Uduaghan and campaigning for his removal; but suddenly, after you have been given a sniff of the loot, your tune has changed from one ugly note to the other and Uduaghan now has "mesmerising" moves.

You are a disgusting and sickening creature from the gutter.

Phucking pathetic.

Thank God that someone has at last had the love of the people to free the common man from mafia's; whether they are PHCN mafia's, NNPC mafia's, fuel importer mafia's, generator mafia's etc.

Go on GEJ, we de your back. Nigeria MUST develop.

Long overdue.

While some welcomed the declaration, others raised concerns that it would provide legal cover for soldiers to carry out further abuses.

A military task force in Borno state has been accused in recent months of killing civilians and burning homes after bomb attacks, claiming residents collaborated with the extremists.

"The declaration of a state of emergency by the federal government will not stop or reduce the spate of violence across the affected areas, but will simply be a blank cheque for human rights violations by security agents," said northern-based rights activist Shehu Sani.

"Civilians will continue to be at the mercy of the military and the militants. Dialogue still remains the valid option to end this bloodletting."

Negotiate with who?
Someone should tell Shehu Sani that, while he was uttering those words, no bombs went off anywhere in the country throughout new years eve.

[size=14pt]Nigerian cities in lockdown after emergency decree [/size]
From: AFP
January 02, 20121:59AM

NIGERIA began the new year Sunday under a state of emergency in areas targeted by Islamist attacks as soldiers flooded hard-hit cities in a bid to end spiralling violence in Africa's most populous nation.

Residents in the northeastern city of Maiduguri reported a sharp increase in patrols and checkpoints, with soldiers in pickup trucks and armed with rifles stopping vehicles and forcing drivers to exit while also questioning them.

In the central city of Jos, security agents took over local government headquarters and two helicopters hovered overhead, while intensified patrols occurred on the ground.

President Goodluck Jonathan's declaration on Saturday gives security agencies more powers to search and arrest, seals off borders in hard-hit areas and establishes a military counter-terrorism force.

The declaration comes in response to scores of attacks blamed on Islamist group Boko Haram, particularly a wave of bombings on Christmas that killed 49 people, most in a gruesome blast at a Catholic church as services were ending.

While Boko Haram has been carrying out increasingly deadly attacks for months, including an August suicide bombing of UN headquarters in Abuja that left 25 dead, the Christmas violence sparked intense fear and outrage.

It also led to warnings from Christian leaders that they would defend themselves if such attacks continued, raising deep concern in a country roughly divided between a mainly Muslim north and predominately Christian south.

In declaring the state of emergency in Africa's largest oil producer, Jonathan acknowledged that the attacks "have threatened our collective security and shaken the foundations of our corporate existence as a nation."

Jonathan said in a nationwide broadcast that "it has become imperative to take some decisive measures necessary to restore normalcy in the country especially within the affected communities."

"Consequently, I have,  declared a state of emergency in the following parts of the federation," he said, listing parts of the states of Borno, where Boko Haram traditionally has its base, as well as Yobe, Niger and Plateau.

In a sign of the challenges facing Nigeria, some 50 people were killed in clashes between two neighbouring communities in southeastern Ebonyi state on Saturday, a government spokesman said, but the clashes were not linked to attacks by Boko Haram, he added.

Earlier Saturday, Jonathan visited the church where the bloodiest Christmas attack occurred and branded Boko Haram a "cancerous" group bent on destroying Nigeria while vowing it would be crushed.

The measures and rhetoric marked a sharp change for Jonathan, who has come under mounting criticism over the authorities' failure to stop the violence.

Many of his previous pronouncements sought to minimise the attacks and reassure the country that the violence was only temporary and would soon be brought to an end despite near daily shootings and bombings.

While some welcomed the declaration, others raised concerns that it would provide legal cover for soldiers to carry out further abuses.

A military task force in Borno state has been accused in recent months of killing civilians and burning homes after bomb attacks, claiming residents collaborated with the extremists.

"The declaration of a state of emergency by the federal government will not stop or reduce the spate of violence across the affected areas, but will simply be a blank cheque for human rights violations by security agents," said northern-based rights activist Shehu Sani.

"Civilians will continue to be at the mercy of the military and the militants. Dialogue still remains the valid option to end this bloodletting."

The country was also facing the threat of protests, as regulators on Sunday announced the start of a controversial measure expected to lead to an increase in petrol prices.

Hundreds of people have been killed in 2011 alone in attacks blamed on Boko Haram, most in the northeast.

An early version of the group formed in 2004, though it has taken on different forms since that time. It launched an uprising in 2009 put down by a brutal military assault which left some 800 dead.

It is believed to have several factions, including those with political links as well as radical Islamist cells.

There has been intense speculation over whether it has formed links with outside extremist groups, such as Al-Qaeda's north African branch.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/nigerian-cities-in-lockdown-after-emergency-decree/story-e6frf7k6-1226234513141

God bless each and every NLer and all Nigerians, may He make this year one of abundant blessings, insights and outstanding success after outstanding success.

cold:
I dey enta Jos early nxt year o!Maq this soldjas no com dey give pesin stress o!Bcuz I wan faji big tym

My broda, I will advise you to avoid Jos for the meantime. There is certainly going to be no faji in that city in the foreseeable future.

Andre Uweh:
My brother, am also tired of people spelling Ibo instead of IGBO.

It is true.
I really cannot understand why some people are so shallow that they can't even take the slightest time to respect other ethnic groups.

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=836316.msg9872307#msg9872307 date=1325367452]I hope jonathan can extend his state of emergency to yorubaland too.And these are people that claimed to belong to the same ethnic group ? Huh This is madness.[/quote]Why would you spell Yoruba as Yoruba? I'm getting really tired of these things on NL.

^
The above is precisely what i tried to explain to you earlier:

Beaf: Lol! You do not understand that the law has been suspended and democracy snatched away in the areas affected. Its now an "anything-goes, hit 'em phuckers with nukes" style battle.
Whole communities will be uprooted, dislocated and strong armed in ways that will make Lucifer bawl out. Its not gonna be a tea party and I truly feel for those unfortunate people. They will be so pressured, traumatised, fried, put under the grinder to the extent that even if they were not hiding boko haram members they would volunteer to go out and search for them.

I don't think you fully understand the storm thats cooking.

enitan2002:
you are very sensible, you dont need state of emergency to deal with this faceless group. Go after their sponsors first, then later go after the errand boys themselves.
This is the same plan US employed against terrorists, go after the financial backers, then later the terrorists.

The invasion of Afghanistan and drone attacks in nuclear powered Pakistan are several notches above a comparatively mild state of emergency. By the way, where should the US have declared a state of emergency? Washington DC?

careytommy:
it appears everyone here is a security expert

Exactly! Lol!
Or some are just seeking attention.

VoodooDoll:
@Tom Ford

I don't think the Military would wait for National Assembly before moving into the area.

The executive arm as CIC may have the power to send the military in and to close the borders before NA ratifies the decision.

The NA would be required though to suspend the state governors powers in those LGAs and to suspend the powers of the LGA chairmen. Does this mean Sharia is suspended in those affected areas?

Yes, it does. I had wanted to say so earlier, but didn't think it was appropriate.

How can anybody be as bitter and hate filled as Gbawe? Its not normal and its not healthy.

aurenflani:
all these grammar about subsidy removal how much is a litre of petrol in the UAE, IRAN (with all the sanctions), Iraq (do not forget the war! war), Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Venezuela etc?

None of those countries is a role model for Nigeria. They are all ugly places in one way or the other.
Ask us instead about, China, Russia, USA, UK, France, Germany etc. Those (aside from Russia) are the sort of countries Nigeria should be modelled against, not a group of extremist backwaters that cannot tell left from right.

The fuel subsidy is already gone, thank the Good Lord. Lets discuss how we can ensure the judicious use of the savings.

mikeansy:
But that said we need to close every border with Niger and Chad. I mean surveillance patrol. If we dont have one in place the President should start building a wired fence between Nigeria and Niger/chad and man these boarder areas tightly.

Increase security checkings in every other border post in the country whether its benin republic or through bakasi.

The emergency in states is good as is. The essence is the symbolism and ability to have boots on ground to monitor movements. I am satisfied with the start!

It will be impossible to close our borders and make them airtight, even the US has immense problems with keeping Mexicans out. Closing the borders would be ineffective against a determined foe, and would slow them down at best; except we build a huge wall manned by snipers like Israel and East Germany did. I don't think we can afford to go down that route though, if we ever need to do that then quick incursions into Chad, Niger and Cameroun would be more feasible; it would tell those govts to manage those coming through for their own good.

But its a good start all the same.

auwal87:
@ beaf

You don't even know what a State of Emergency is, in fact most of those responding to this thread doesn't know what a State of Emergency is.

It means more weapons for BH, more time for them to think and create plans, it means more recruit for them.

Aghhhh, just don't know to what extent it will reach before you come back to your senses.

Really?
And here I was thinking that a state of emergency meant special fighting squads "cooking" stuff in the kitchens of the affected villages, helicopters dropping the odd unwanted "gift" and dangerous men from the JTF "playing" with the kids, kids playing with their extracted teeth on the floor!

Dude, believe me, you are truly misunderstanding the situation. There was never ever a state of emergency declared in my beloved Warri when Tompolo was running rampant, but let Warri folk tell you their experiences, even worse, let those from Okerenkoko (the victims of the most recent military burst) give you firsthand experiences that will freeze your flesh to your bones. I really feel for the affected communities and we should all put them in prayer.

trimwis:
this is not enough we want state of emergency on ADAMU CIROMA, ATIKU, BUHARI AND IBB with all the other northern politician backing Boko Haram

It isn't surprising that Ciroma's state (Yobe) is one of the boko haram headquarters.

auwal87:
Which state of emergency worked for Iraq or Afghanistan to fight al qaeda?

Man in few days you will understand that it is bad idea, bad decision, it will only spoil matters more. these guys are not in caves located in the states that were declared emergency. They are within the community, and the community isn't aware, they will disappear any minute, they might be on their way to another state right now.

Lol! You do not understand that the law has been suspended and democracy snatched away in the areas affected. Its now an "anything-goes, hit 'em phuckers with nukes" style battle.
Whole communities will be uprooted, dislocated and strong armed in ways that will make Lucifer bawl out. Its not gonna be a tea party and I truly feel for those unfortunate people. They will be so pressured, traumatised, fried, put under the grinder to the extent that even if they were not hiding boko haram members they would volunteer to go out and search for them.

I don't think you fully understand the storm thats cooking.

auwal87:
How many times did Osama bin Laden mentioned Nigeria?

The quote below should answer your question. Its author, Douglas Farah is a scholar and intellectual writer. You will find his writing to be quite informative, find time to
check out his website:

As I have noted earlier,[size=14pt] in 2003 Osama bin Laden specifically mentioned Nigeria as a target for the spread of al Qaeda[/size], and shortly thereafter there were a series of smaller scale attacks. But the actions of the "Nigeria Taliban" were widely dismissed as simply jihadist "wannabes" that posed no threat.

http://www.douglasfarah.com/article/490/nigeria-and-al-qaeda

The borders have been closed in Yobe and Borno.
Looking at the Nigerian map, I would hope that GEJ also has his eyes on Adamawa state (I do not see boko haram gaining even the slightest toehold in Jigawa, not with the highly rated Sule Lamido in power).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Nigeria_political.png

auwal87:
The BH will surely laugh at this.

What if all their operations are from Kano or Jigawa or Katsina or even Lagos?

It is like telling them to expand to other states, now all the security will be concentrated in those states, and Gbam you can here one bomb tomorrow at Sabon gari Kano.

unwise for the current situation.

Intelligence is what is needed, common these guys are fighting from hidden places nobody even know where their hideouts or camps are located. They can move all around the country at will, maybe with even police protection.

Maybe you are missing the most crucial info the emergency conveys. It is that if boko haram is dreaming of a war, large parts of their territory has now been captured even before the firing of the first shot; even more, it ensures that their territory will be the theatre of any sponsored war the wish to fight, regardless if their sponsors are powerful Middle Eastern coutries. GEJ's move is a blindingly strategic masterstroke on several fronts.

kizito96:
After that what next?

. . .Maybe Nigeria buys killer drones! Lolzzz!
Whatever happens, its boko haram frying time! Yaheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

UYCO, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
From rabid anti-Uduaghan activist to promoter of Uduaghan's "mesmerizing" moves in less than a couple of months?

Bros, I hail o!