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Puff Puff:
First off that picture is obviously photo shopped

and Bawss1 honestly if would be difficult for me to return that money if I was that student. I mean I didn't kill the man

A fatuah or two might be quite persuasive, afterall Al Qaeda still exists.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=660060.msg8277243#msg8277243 date=1304807232]Well i dint have much to say i just tire for all the saying ACN is a yoruba party well if its was then we are happy to build ourself around one party and gain our ground back what happen to APGA and PPA in SE what happen to DPP in SS what happen to CPC in the north i am proud to be from the SW OYO state precisely and also happy to be member of ACN when yoruba are speaking its God that is speaking if not for riging i wonder where PDP will be today Action Congress: Democracy for ever[/quote]Lol!

"God speaking?"

The bolded coming out of the mouth of an ACN member, resoundingly captures one leg of the argument I have been making in, which is tha ACN has a creed of ethnic supremacy. There is nothing wrong with being a regional or local party, but there is everything wrong with leaning toward paranoia and fascism.
Those outside of your catchment area feel insulted (even wounded) by such things. It just doesn't make sense.

PapaBrowne:
Let me guess, the poster of this article is Urhobo. I have a big question: Why is it that it is mostly the Uhrobos that dislike Uduaghan with so much hatred and passion. I have spoken to Itsekiris, Ijaws, Isokos Igbos and Urhobos and I find that only the Uhrobos hate the Governor.

In my fair and honest opinion, the Urhobos might not win any elections in Delta state for the next 20 years despite being by far the largest ethnic group in the state. The reason is simple, as long as the Urhobos keep voting along ethnic lines, the other ethnic groups would keep teeming up to ensure power rotates amongst themselves continually. After Itsekiris, it would be the Igbos then maybe the Isokos and again the Ijaws.

This is all I feared about these elections, but lets not be frustrated.

There is a serious possibility of an ethnic unhealthy chasm opening up in Delta state; we need to avoid this by every means possible.
The elections were no doubt very flawed, but whoever of both men the final tribunal results favours, that man would need to realise the very heavy burden of unifying the state lies firmly on his shoulders.
This is a delicate period that tribunals alone cannot fix, because the problem has become societal. We need our leaders, chiefs and wise men to broker lasting peace and understanding. 2011 is the year Delta state chooses to leap backwards or continue to strive to be much more than Nigeria's 3rd most developed state.

Igbo Boy and Rhino.5dm, please stop your war. Abeg una wit God, let us discuss devoid of as much rancour as we can help.

koruji:
@Gbawe
People can surprise you when you least expect it. Before Beaf got PDP religion he was a very "reasonable" guy even amid the madness of NL. Once he was reached by the GEJ people he started behaving like a completely different person. Now with the Presidency in the pocket his views has become just as parochial as those of the usual suspects on NL.

We all have our biases and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Absolute power to do as they wish seems to be the next objective of GEJs PDP and their cohorts. I am happy that ACN (sectional or not) stands ready to challenge PDPs indolence in running our affairs. We cannot quickly forget how Yar'adua the "saint" moved to get rid of Ribadu while all of our mouths were ajar and proceeded to engage in even more barbaric acts. Beaf's campaign on here is already showing signs of such behavior on the part of "humble" GEJ wrt Tinubu/ACN.

They must know that they cannot bamboozle anyone. We are not going to stand aside and watch Nigeria engage in another death-match to nowhere this time. We must engage them while they are still within reason's earshot. Hopefully they would not develop the tunnel vision that seems to be befall Aso Rock dwellers.

Dude, calm down. You are sounding extremely unreasonable. My perceptions are that ACN is a sectionalist party and Tinubu is a fascist, I do not see how you can persuade me or several others here who have reached the same conclusion by attacking my person. I also do not see how referring to GEJ and other political parties can change that perception, the thing that needs changing is strictly within ACN. Other parties might have their own problems, but this topic is about ACN.

99% of ACN's problems are with Tinubu who is bigoted and known to be extremely corrupt. How can a rogue be the leader of a pack of "holy" men?

Isn't it funny that when Ibori haunted the political scene, we all joined hands to condemn him and call for his arrest; but with positions reversed, you do not see anything wrong with Tinubu and his obnoxious politics?
Instead of reporting me to "Uncle" Gbawe, ask him if he can condemn Tinubu for his criminal ways, if he can not, why?

I just pray for his own good that the OP isn't lying, because a false story of this nature is a sure way to draw the severest curses. Yekini is a national icon.

kasiem:
Beaf, i'm inviting u to owerri to join me in my celebration

Wow! Thanks for the kind words and the invitation. Hehe!

greateros:
You are truly a very unique being. One can never predict you.

That opens the possibility you've always got me wrong.

seanet02:
Thunder strike Democracy that will allow some ediots to kill innocent corps members under the guise of protesting an election they never won and still expect mercy from the police. Anybody talking about democracy when this ediots are being lodged in the death valley is a mad man. If i have been a part of the battalion sent there i will have killed 50 almajiris for every single corps member killed. Anuofia Amnesty international. Ediots.

It might seem difficult to accept that every individual in a murdering mob has fundamental human rights, but it is moral, logical and correct. In order to move forward, we must not repay wrong with wrong, especially by using law enforcement as a means to revenge; that will only set up a deepening spiral of law breaking and blood spilling.
Nigeria has some of the most uncivilised law enforcement and crime prevention methods the World over, these are the things we need to look at, because the reason our police and army murder the innocent is the same reason they could not stop the crisis. It is also the same reason that lawless mobs turned on their fellow Nigerians and slaughtered them. It is also the same reason that ethnic bigotry and distrust are rampant.

What is this underlying reason for so many Nigerian issues? One word runs through our current methods, sadly that word is primitivity. We really need to rescue and build up minds, whether its police, politician, soldier or almajiri. It is the only way equality and development can truly take off in the country.

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Lewis is almost certain to beat Rosberg off the line, Webber posibly too (though that guy blocks agressively to the point of irresponsibility).
I wonder how McLaren could ever have let go of Adrian Newey?

Vettel takes pole with a lap record! Beat the previous one set by Montoya.
Mercedes have stepped forward and pushed McLaren backwards (Rosberg 3rd, Lewis 4th).

Poll Shootout - Turkey
1 S Vettel Red Bull
2 M Webber Red Bull
3 N Rosberg Mercedes
4 L Hamilton McLaren
5 F Alonso Ferrari
6 J Button McLaren
7 V Petrov Renault
8 M Schumacher Mercedes
9 N Heidfeld Renault
10 F Massa Ferrari
11 R Barrichello Williams
12 A Sutil Force India
13 P Di Resta Force India
14 P Maldonado Williams
15 S Perez Sauber
16 S Buemi Toro Rosso
17 J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
18 H Kovalainen Lotus
19 J Trulli Lotus
20 J d'Ambrosio Virgin
21 V Liuzzi Hispania
22 T Glock Virgin
23 N Karthikeyan Hispania
24 K Kobayashi Sauber

Ferarri send Massa out on softs in Q1!
Thats a team whose issues are on display.

edicolove:
I just want to add that one of the serious problems we have in the country and south west in particular is that there is so much propaganda that people are now believing lies. I will list a few:

1. That only the south west govs are doing well in Nigeria.
This is a very big propaganda that have been sold by the SW controlled press. It is very far from the truth. The best governor since 1999 is still Donald Duke who was a PDP Gov. Fashola has still not met his achievements no matter how much you try to hype him. Fashola is trying to repair things. He built systems from the scratch. I need not elaborate. Fastward to the present. Govs that can match Fashola for achievements are Rotimi Amaechi (actually doing better than Fashola). Goodswill Akpabio, Sullivan Chime. Someone said Akpabio rigged. Well you can say that because you read the Nation newspaper. Akpabio does not need to rig an election. He will win 10 times out of 10 elections. You only need to travel to Akwa Ibom to know that. The guy is a star. He is building a world class state.

2. That Yorubas have a progressive ideology and the rest of the country does not.
Well this is another falsehood. I live in Lagos, What the Yorubas portray here is not a progressive ideology but a tribal one. Their "we are better than you" mentality is very funny. Lagos is not this developed because it is a Yoruba state but because it was once the capital of Nigeria and a major business hub in Nigeria. In fact is that the population of Yorubas in Lagos is not more than 2 in 5 persons.

3. That the Yoruba candidates are better than the candidates of the other parties.
This I find very funny and very hypocritical. One of the most corrupt states in Naija is Lagos. Ask any one that pays his tax here. The government circle here is full of political jobbers sharing the state loot. Fashola is trying and I wont deny that but even he is being persecuted by the ACN chieftains, particularly Tinubu. And for the records, most ACN candidates from the other states that made little impact in the last elections were all ex PDP members who were aggrieved that they didnt get the PDP ticket. Even Amosun who won Ogun governorship was a former PDP man and an OBJ boy. The ACN man in Akwa Ibom was a 2 time PDP senator and only joined ACN in Jan when he lost in the primaries to Akpabio. He was useless during his tenure as a senator for 8 years. We didnt even know he existed in the senate. So what difference would he have made in Akwa Ibom? Same goes for Benue and Adamawa. Even Ngige was a former PDP man. Very funny how people can become so called progressives when they suddenly loose out in the primaries.

4. That Nigerians are seeing the performance of ACN govs. Well only Fashola has shown any real sign of performance. Oshiomole is just coming on the scene and is showing some promise and I pray he does well. But even Fashola still has a long way to go. The propaganda machine in the south west was able to play down the many failures of Fashola. The health and Education sectors where totally messed up during the last 8 years. Lasu was closed down every now and then during Fahosla's first term. Medical doctors were on strike for months. I need not say too much. It was a real mess. Alimosho is still a mess. But like I said b4, he is trying so we give him the benefit of doubt that he will sort these areas out this time around. But to say he is a role model, I dont agree at all. Building 3 toll gates in one residential area to extort residents of that area is not a good example to follow. I hope the Lagos water ways project will not remain a myth. And the irony of it all is that he said he would not come back for another term. In his words, it is only someone who fails that needs to re-sit.

Articulate post, jam packed with truth to the hilt.

sbeezy8:
youre going overboard GEJ himself no fit try and tlk about underage voters in the north o boy you get imagination! The middle belt will always be split between north and south.

(North)                                                    (south)
NW+NE+ 50% OF NC is more than SE+SS+50% NC.

when talking of reps seat the north doesnt need zoning now the SW is not an important part of PDP south.
The north has more seats!

Dude, everyone is at the bargaining table. The NE wants the speakership, but they have wheeled out their biggest very early in the day (which is an obvious sign of weakness). No doubt, both sides have quite "persuasive" tools at their disposal, GEJ's will always be deployed through powerful background proxies out of the public eye, but he has a far wider choice of options than any opponent.

montelik:
https://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217140_214745678536677_100000037395269_933537_2998263_n.jpg

Captioned: Everyone wants to drive for Red Bull

If anything, this shows that Jensons mind gets really cluttered under pressure.

Vettel didn't get much running. I wonder how he will do?

Crazy as the story sounds, it aptly describes our unfortunate methods of policing and murdering fellow Nigerians. We urgently need to mordenise our military forces and police services. The guarantee of human rights and sanctity of life is a fundamental of any democracy.

We simply cannot continue to put forward jungle methods and primitive solutions. Development starts with the mind.

There is little that can be done differently at this time though, because reform occurs over lengthy periods.

[size=14pt]Nigeria police, troops 'abused rioters' in north[/size]
(AFP) – 45 minutes ago

KANO, Nigeria — Rights groups on Friday accused Nigerian troops and police of abuses, including extra-judicial killings, as they sought to quell deadly riots in northern Nigeria after the April 16 presidential poll.

Police and military officials could not be reached for comment, but a spokesman for the governor in the hard-hit state of Kaduna denied the allegations.

New York-based Human Rights Watch and Civil Rights Congress, a local rights group based in the city of Kaduna, have separately accused soldiers and police of extra-judicial killings and other abuses.

The abuses are alleged to have occurred in Kaduna and another northern city, Zaria, both of which were severely affected by the riots that Civil Rights Congress says killed more than 500 people.

"In response to the post-election violence, troops and the police have been implicated in extra-judicial killings of unarmed residents," Eric Guttschuss, a researcher for Human Rights Watch who monitored the elections, told AFP.

"Human Rights Watch has established documented extra-judicial killings in Kaduna and Zaria."

He added that police and soldiers carried out raids and rounded up suspects following the violence, and "there have been credible reports that the police and military have severely beaten arrested persons in their custody."

Shehu Sani, the director of Civil Rights Congress, also alleged extra-judicial killings and other abuses.

Sani said soldiers and police flogged residents of Kaduna and forced them to frog-jump and roll on the ground for defying a curfew imposed by the state government amid the violence.

"These acts are gross violations of the residents? rights and dignity," Sani said. "We have documented such abuses in addition to extra-judicial killings of innocent residents by soldiers and the police."

The rights activists called for probes into the allegations.

A spokesman for the Kaduna state governor dismissed the accusations as baseless and "a deliberate attempt to smear the image of the security personnel who have done an excellent job of restoring and maintaining peace in the state."

"The government has not received any complaints of abuse or extra-judicial killings from any residents, and if such alleged abuses have taken place there was no way they could have escaped the knowledge of the government," Reuben Buhari said.

Violent protests erupted across Nigeria's mainly Muslim north over the election won by incumbent Goodluck Jonathan, a southern Christian. His main rival was ex-military ruler Muhammadu Buhari, a Muslim from the north.

The riots displaced an estimated 74,000 people.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hd3Xod5d3vxjUgqFvxODmiG_fBPA?docId=CNG.d52d510170bd9583e846ebb448b9e5c7.a01

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=661507.msg8270924#msg8270924 date=1304698350]makes no sense [/quote]It means they have no leg to stand on.

Please spread no more crazy conspiracy theories that can be used to forment rioting by misguided almajiri's.

[size=14pt]Al Qaeda Confirms Osama Bin Laden’s Death[/size]
On May 6, 2011 · In Headlines

Al Qaeda have confirmed Osama Bin Laden’s death in a statement posted on jihadist internet forums.

According to the U.S. monitoring group SITE Intelligence, coming five days after the Pakistan raid, the terror group in a statement warned their leader’s “blood will not be wasted” and attacks on American and its allies will continue.

The statement, as translated by SITE.

Bin Laden’s death will serve as a “curse that chases the Americans and their agents, and goes after them inside and outside their countries,” the message said.

“Soon – with help from Allah – their happiness will turn into sorrow, and their blood will be mixed with their tears,” it said.

Al Qaeda will “continue on the path of jihad, the path walked upon by our leaders, and on top of them” bin Laden “without hesitation or reluctance.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/05/breaking-news-al-qaeda-confirms-osama-bin-ladens-death/

How many of those Northern members are from the Middle Belt? Interests will sing a loud song. lol
Middle Belt interests have since spectacularly diverged from core-Northern interests. So, selection by merit will be a good thing indeed.

Maybe after that, we look at child voters and the hidden meaning for total size of population, which by the way is what translates to number of house of rep members? Certain moves are equivalent to drinking slow poison.

Lol! The bastar'd must be regretting every last dime his filthy fingers stole. He is really lucky that he will be going to jail in England, where their jails are better than some of our lower quality hotels. If only the blighter could be sent to Uzbekistan where they boil prisoners alive.

What bloody amnesty? Are the governers going to create replica children for the families that lost their loved ones?
Let justice take its natural and conclusive course.

As for zoning of the Presidency, that must be buried for ever and ever. We cannot afford such backwardness in any political party that hopes to take the country forward. Let all submit themselves based entirely on merit, we practice democracy and we can only roll it forward by becoming more democratic with each step.

The governors position that the core-North feels sore and cheated off the Presidency must also be corrected. It was a set of irresponsible leaders that elevated a PDP vaguery to an almost religious level, way above the nations constitution and created the ethnically driven explosive situation that ended in mayhem.

Fundamental lessons need to be learnt.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=660060.msg8267778#msg8267778 date=1304653009]i understand your point an i want the same

what makes me angry even more is the way beaf remove the north from national development as if the north is another country on his own

you see, we really need to be careful and watchful of this people, all there cheap propangada is just very annoying[/quote]Did somebody slap you real bad on the way to the internet cafe?
You aren't making any sense fighting with yourself and making stories up. All almajiri's are are gonna be forced into school and into jobs; is that not development? Plus all the textile mills are going to be reopened, that aside from the billions set aside for the development of the North (you won't know sha, cos the only newspaper pages you see are the ones used to wrap kulikuli and suya ).

koruji:
Seeing the way BEAF is carrying on already, even before the swearing-in, I am predicting that you will come here to eat these words.

In reality, I hope, for the sake of the Nigerian people, to be the one that eats the above words.

Abeg, allow me carry on as I wish jare! My grouse is with Tinubu and his fascism. It doesn't have any bearing on GEJ.
On the other hand, GEJ has demonstrated time and again that he is a fair player and a seeker of harmony. The concept of punishing the SW is terribly nonsensical. We are all Nigerians and the last time I looked, the SW voted for him by a landslide as well. Even if they hadn't voted for him, it would only mean he has to work harder to win the section over, its a democracy.

koruji:
@Beaf
Well, lets talk policy a little bit. When Fashola called for revisions to the revenue allocation formula that is based on two things. As you mentioned below we still have a centralized fiscal system -within that system the FG cannot sit in Abuja and jack up the minimum wage, without thinking about how the states can cope. The simple answer is follow you bill with the money. That is the first reason. The second is this silly attempt in the NA assembly to collect even more taxes that would usually go to the states and bring it to the center - they are currently tinkering with thresholds for taxation that would reduce states internally generated revenue tremendously.

They are already collecting all the oil revenue and redistributing it through straws, now they want to do the same to ordinary taxation. The VAT is not enough for them anymore. That is a serious constitutional crisis in the making.

What ACN is calling for is a balanced restructing of our polity. Not a seccessionist agenda, not a "it is all our resources you can feed on air" agenda, and certainly not this monkey-dey-work-baboon-dey-chop unitary system.

The current legislators can't pass any new bill on taxation now, because most are leaving, so those plans are dead as a dodo. This is really a period of fresh starts, which we all hope can be harnessed.
Now, GEJ has just returned from Obudu where all doors were open. Across Nigeria, we are all praying for a fairer system that is more business friendly and offers a real contract of belonging to each and every man, woman and child; ACN could have siezed the opportunity that most other parties took to lay his cards on the table.

True federalism is an enterprise that needs support from the Middle Belt, SE, SS and SW. We might have our various petty quarrels, but deep down we all know that our interests converge by several magnitudes to their divergence. True federalism is also a very delicate issue that needs certain underground discussions before it is brought to the fore, it is also something that no single party is strong enough to make law on its own; it requires cross-party cooperation. Time frames, how the transition will be financed as well as the finer details would need to be pre-arranged.
Perhaps, ACN hopes to acheive it if they gain overall federal clout, but that is extremely unlikely in the next 8 years at least.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=660060.msg8267702#msg8267702 date=1304651224]who is laffing with this monkey [/quote]Cow.

^
Who left the zoo gate open?

koruji:
@Beaf
Now I am really getting worried. The other day you were accepting congratulations and issuing it to others over your work in getting GEJ elected. You come on NL shouting yourself hoarse over something that was said to GEJ.

You are not working for GEJ? Does that even sound right to you? I remember that you have said such a thing at various times, but at other times go on to provide inside information.

Wo you are working for then.

Lol! That put a smile on my face. I wish I could send you some chilled odeku and goat peppersoup for your valiant efforts to label poor lil me, but you fail wella!

koruji:
If only you know what the ACN formula is offering you people, you would grab it with both hands.

True Federalism, a high degree of regional independence and the rapid advancement that will definitely be the fruits.

You are blinded by hatred for anything that remotely involves Yoruba people, so you don't count.

The true federalism offered is nothing but poison. It is not possible to have true federalism while employing a fiscal structure that is even more dependent on Abuja than the current one. True federalism requires that both administrative and fiscal structures be decentralised, whereas the version ACN is selling requires that Abuja gives more money to the states, rather than the other way round with the states paying taxes to the centre.

@koruji

Dude, you know why you keep misfiring in your arguments with me on this matter? Its because you have convinced yourself that I am working for GEJ, I am not.
I am simply telling you the perception on the street and the right thing to do is correct it instead of posting in super-size font about Obj and other stuff that is peripheral to the conclusions of the man on the street.
In honesty, I didn't go past the first couple of lines of what you posted, not out of disrespect, but because you are so wide off mark that you are only seeing the colours you are painting.

I hold the firm belief that Tinubu is a fascist from observation. I don't see how constantly referring to external matters to that belief will change it.
That perception is also very widely held, so calling me names and making sad inferences is not going to change it one bit.