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[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=577939.msg7449723#msg7449723 date=1293995903]Hoping so, but how? Finger printing. Identification? Sketching? What?

If this is not curbed, sadly, it will migrate to other regions.[/quote]The men who left the bomb were well dressed and educated, so there isn't really a question of the bombing migrating. Bombs have become a political tool and it is all due to problems that we have ignored for decades, even after fighting a costly war.
The only positive is that, Nigeria will come out of this a better place (together or in pieces).

jason123:
what sort of question is this where do you want itsekiris (ALMOST THE WHOLE OF DELTA STATE) to join ND or Biafra lol. nah!!! ND would have been good because you yorubas are tribalist but with the way these ijaw people kill my people and the activites of edwin clark in delta state. NEVER!!! atleast we know we would we working with progressives free education and etc. well if you do not believe me, let the country divide today and you would see the result!!!!

Itsekiri's and Isoko's struggle for who is the tiniest minority in Delta state. But you don't even know your village at age 28, so it is expected that you will say very ridiculous things.

9ijaMan:
LWKMDFHO!

Beaf is like a dieing man who's looking for others to go under with him! Unfortunately every other state will desert his ND fight and we all know Bayelsa cannot go it alone.

Clap for yourself dunce, I am not from Bayelsa.

It is far less costly and much more productive to sort out the Nigerian framework than for ethnic bigots to scream about the SS.
Yar Adua was so daft that he spent $3billion arming the JTF, rather than much less costly solutions such as guaranteeing justice, human rights and a timescale / framework for true federalism. None of the above would have harmed Nigeria in any way, in fact, every aspect of an equitable ND package would set the country up firmly for development. But I guess ethnically bigoted minds are incapable of thinking outside a limited set of parameters.

Yar Adua also signed one-sided treaties with the US, thinking AFRICOM would wade into the Niger Delta, even though the US makes it quite clear at every sitting that the ND is oppressed.

What has become of the $3billion JTF option today? The answer is instructive, costs in future will be an exponential multiple if the situation is handled badly. Bigoted minds, not the SS are Nigeria's problem.

Common sense is always cheaper than anything bigotry can produce. Lets harness it. Give your voice to true federalism.

Nigerias biggest problema are ethnic bigotry and ignorance, that is why we can bomb each other without the slightest thought.
Thank God there are survivoring eye witnesses. It raises the prospect that the murderers will be caught.

Why should anybody give an armed robber like John Togo time of day? He is important only to the trash press and those who wish to drag us back.
He will soon be a dead clown.

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Every single word of what I posted was the truth, but then, the truth sounds like abuse in the ears of the guilty, here it is again:

Beaf:
Seriously dude, this is a very daft thread by a person with a fake username, projecting a fake ethnicity and identity like a criminal.
Do you think we are almajiri's to be taken in by dross?

Now lets watch this worthless thread with its almajiri logic sink into oblivion like a stone.

[quote author=e-herbal link=topic=577593.msg7449476#msg7449476 date=1293992979]Finally a wind of change blows the air.kwarans can now truly,genuinely,without any form of tele-guidance cast their votes in lieu to their conscience.no more baba sope,no more imposition,no more saraki state.good thing he's had a taste of his own bitter medicine[/quote]It isn't hoorah time yet, Kwara has simply entered a period of bitter father-son politics, it is for the smarter political parties to take advantage. Its going to be a wild (possibly bloody) ride between PDP, ANPP and ACN.
At the end of the day though, Kwara would have emerged a better place, free of feudal overlordship and the Saraki dynasty.

alj harem:
dapo i know you are been sarcastic ,,,but seriously does lagos not have oil

does ondo and even part of osun have oil


beaf i pity you with your myopic views on south-south

Lagos and the SE are the only ones equipped to survive an SS pullout. Will your Bornu state survive?
I have stated it enough times that our problems are due to ethnic bigotry, lack of justive and love, and a proclivity to life as parasites. The SS feels the pain of being the host to parasites and is being sucked dry, dude go back home and advice your folk that SS people are tired and angry.

Now you are mouthy, what will you do if we pack up and leave? Is it not easier to sort ND issues and implement a better federal model than foolishly praying that the meal table would never develop the legs to walk? Afterall, what do we really have to gain from belonging in a parasitic economy where we are the hosts and many that belong to the majority groups are ethnically bigoted against us?

Seriously dude, this is a very daft thread by a person with a fake username, projecting a fake ethnicity and identity like a criminal.
Do you think we are almajiri's to be taken in by dross?

Mikeansy has participated in several threads targetted at me, with Beaf clearly in the thread titles, those threads were even derogatory to me, unlike this one; so, I expect him to take up Banoms challenge and not be a coward.
What is he scared of?

oyb:
its that system collapse na

the benefits of the electricty subsidy we are enjoying courtesy of the nd

i should just be grateful for my circumstances.

its that time of year when it is hooot in lagos.

imagine sending your entire xmas break in the hot dark. subsidy indeed

Cos your state provides jack to the national economy, yet you have the guts to complain that dinner isn't the richest meal.
We demand true federalism and justice so you can take care of yourselves, we aint your nanny.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=577975.msg7449282#msg7449282 date=1293990627]Don't flatter yourself or make dumb assumptions about a user name. I suppose Chuck Norris whose nickname is Chucks is also an Igboman, olodo.

If we assume that your assertion that the same people who bombed Jos are responsible for the Abuja bombing, then MEND is the culprit. The president has proclaimed that the recent bomb blast in the country starting from the 1st October has been classified and from the preliminary analysis carried out so far they bear resemblance with the ones that happened in Jos.[/quote]Criminals are known to forge identities. Stick to Dan Sule Muthalib.

Very daft thread.

Big B1:
It has been confirmed that American bomb experts arrived early yesterday, our president on the other hand is yet to effectively address what happened and way forward.

This is a joke!

Er. . . Fill in the gaps. . .

We might soon see ** intelligence tracking Boko Haram politicians and ** drones bombing Boko Haram foot soldiers and their likes in the North.
The North is rapidly embracing terrorism.

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SS go hungry?
Thats damn funny.

alj harem:
beaf u are very silly for that statement,,,, who are the south-south people

there are ikwerri, yoruba,,itsekiri,,, ijaw,,, uhrobo

so you saying the country will be hungry is very dumb

are there no yorubas in ondo state which is a south-south state

are there no itsekeiri in delta state which is a south-south state

akwa-ibom is full of ikwerri are they compiling

you just ijaw or what every a,, minority in nigeria is shouting,,,, how dumb is that

so you think if balysse state stop producing oil,,we will al die

mumu like you

If you like, cry buckets. Only Lagos and the SE can survive a SS pullout from Nigeria. The rest of the country would rapidly become an embarrassement to Africa and a drain on UN aid money.

netotse:
actually there's an electricity subsidy, that's why Rilwan Babalola fell out with Ransome Owan and co.

link

PHCN colllects somewhere close to 10billion a month in electricity bills but spends 15 - 17 billion. The short fall has to come from somewhere. . .

I didn't go there, because our folk here in dreamland would argue that electricity doesn't matter to their villages.
Every aspect of Nigerian life is subsidised, from agric to electricity to taxes to fuel of all kinds.

Quiz 101: where will krendo's almajiri state get money if Jonathan doesn't share money to them?

oyb:
the only thing really subsidized in nigeria is petrol

and as dapobear pointed out, it is mostly imported. i find it odd that you are blathering about fuel subsides when you have in previous threads been championing the deregulation our finance minister has been promising

if you think you can claim that we have an energy subsidy, you better think again.

Petrol only? How about gas? How about diesel? How about kerosene? How about aviation fuel?
Those questions are for the oil sector only, we haven't even begun speaking about fertiliser etc etc. Every aspect of life and production in Nigeria is subsidised by oil revenues.

You will be very hungry if the SS were to pack and go tomorrow.

oyb:
yeah, i remember how tinubu ran grovelling to the UN when obj witheld lagos funds

by all means , leave . it will be a blessing to the rest of us. the sad thing is that the bloodbath the nd will become will destabilize the region.

you seem to forget that there is  oil is in  other parts of nigeria

you also are forgetting that there are other nations iin africa without oil that have been doing very well. Ghana has done  very well without oil.

by all means take it

in the case of the nd, it will be a resource curse tenfold.

the only difference will be that you lot will no longer be able to whine about it being northerners  that are fking you over.

Lagos and the SE are the only parts of the country equipped for life without oil.
The rest will become an embarassement to Africa if the SS declared independence tomorrow. A state like your would get on their knees and beg. . . And talking about Kwara, thats what this thread was meant to all about before the advent of ethnic bigots on it. Thankfully, you are from Kwara, so tell us about Saraki.

As for other nations surviving without oil, they do not have parasitic economies.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=577593.msg7449088#msg7449088 date=1293988181]What aid would we be seeking from the UN? Like, at present, most of the federal monies don't necessarily reach the people anyway. In my own village, most of the nice buildings/property there is built by rich folk who work in Lagos/Abuja/SS/Europe/US.

Honestly, I think we'd be just fine; we'd be forced to manage resources properly and develop a new source of revenue. Like I said earlier, access to international capital markets to me is a lot more intriguing a proposition than the piddling oil wealth we get from the FG.

But of course the best case scenario is to add whatever oil derivations we are getting to proper management rather than just proper management alone.

Hrm, does anyone have the amount of FG allocations given to each state handy and listed somewhere? It would be interesting to see. . . I imagine that the actual cash that say my Ekiti State gets is probably on the order of like 10 or 15 cents per citizen per day. Piddling amount of money like that makes no real difference.[/quote]Dude, you really need to understand how Nigerian life is subsidised by oil revenues, that is aside from the money that runs states and LG's. I wish it was the simplistic scenario you painted above, we would have able to institute true federalism tomorrow, sadly your picture is far from the real World.

oyb:
there will be almost no difference to the majority of nigerians if the oil stops flowing. to the governors and the legislators, maybe. but the average citizen

With zero fuel availabilty and costs shooting towards outer space where available (no money for subsidies)?
Everything will grind to a very miserable halt and it will be off to the UN to beg for aid to avert hunger and humanitarian catastrophe.

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Please don't view my words as threats. They are a reaction to you guys highly unwise bullying attitude. Things could unravel pretty quickly if we cannot see beyond narrow and very primitive ethnic confines. Then, sudden reality would strike; my words simply paint that stack reality.

fstrangest:
I totally disagree

The ND is a minority in all respects. The country cannot be bugged down my attending to every concerns/agitations of every minority. They should just keep quiet and enjoy what they currently enjoy. Of they push their luck too far, they'd only have themselves to blame.

Has it suddenly shifted from SS to ND now?

Dude, it is Nigeria that is pushing her luck. People can only be pushed so far.
Please enlighten me on what your state and LG would do if Abuja handouts dried up tomorrow, because the SS decides enough is enough? Will you not switch to begging for aid at the UN? Can you imagine how catastrophic that would be? They say pride goeth before a fall, your huge "majority" population would suddenly become a horrible liability. Do you play chess? I think not.

fstrangest:
I am trying to put things in context.

In the same token, the ND, even with her resources, would never be as sophisticated as either France or Germany.

That is an ethnically bigoted dream sir. We don't need you to develop, especially if your ideas hover around parasitism only.
Seriously, what you think is of no importance.

pro01: I thought this thread was supposed to be about Saraki?

. . .Ahh, there are many ethnic bigots like fstranger, who have swung their guns on the SS, instead of dealing with Saraki matters.

ayubam:
@ beaf, I have noticed with keen interest your posts over many burning issues in the polity and what I can point it down to is that there is a disillusion beclouding your sense of reasoning that only MINERAL RESOURCES MAKES A NATION GREAT. That also dominates the mind of most Nigerians and until we see things differently, and learn from our present state, we cannot move forward even if all regions have autonomy today. UK today is not as richly blessed like Nigeria (mineral resources wise) but you will agree with me that the quality of life by the common citizens cannot be compared with our life in Nigeria where all we boast on is our oil, good weather, good agricultural land yet suffering in the midst of plenty.

Lagos today has problems (myriads of them) but a ssytem is evolving gradually showing what intellectual capacity can do to a nation. UK, USA, Japan, China et al  are not as blessed in terms of mineral resources like Nigeria and many Arabs nations but the world Economy today is being controlled by some of them whereas the rich oil nations have not fared well like these nations.

Honest questions, apart from Rotimi Amaechi (and probably Duke) of rivers state, mention any other past or present Governors in the SS that has truly  made any intentional efforts to leave a good heritage in the region including Jonathan. Ibori, Uduaghan, Alaimesia, Odili, Igbinedion etc have they truly served you at least to the best of their ability that the law permits them? Tinubu was a "Crook" but he fought against oppression since NADECO days, risked his life, used his resources b4 he became gov (a former expatriate with Exon Mobil- Texas) and also stood against lawlessness against OBJ during his 8 yrs tenure. He is selfish just like every human, but how long he can hold Lagos captive depends on how long the people allows.

Beafm stop your bragging, Let us all look for ways to move this nation forward. It is not mineral resources that makes a nation great.

I am not bragging my friend. The situation on the ground is not a fairy tale, is it? It is funny the way you fellows attack those who tell you the truth in black and white.
The Ibori's and co you mention are products of Nigeria and her systems to enslave minorities. Can you argue otherwise?

You make the argument for intellectual resources in Nigeria. Does our parasitic economy allow for such? Where in the whole World have you heard that central govt gives money to states and LG's. I laugh in a thousand languages.

Dude, rebuke fstranger who made the foolish mistake of implying that minority rights in the SS can be trampled at will without consequences. I don't want to believe you too were blinded by the usual Nigerian backward calculations  to see that: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-577593.0.html#msg7443938

Take it like a wise man or leave it. The SS is Nigeria, treat the place right, guarantee our human rights and justice and we will all be happy.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=577593.msg7448742#msg7448742 date=1293983212]It depends, there are a variety of sources. Bank accounts of citizens, loans, existing Nigerian federal reserves could all be used to prosecute a war. Overall, I don't think finding cash would be too much of a problem.[/quote]Federal reserves? We'll get our allies to lock em up. In the event we fail to achieve that, how will you guys power your doomed economy? In fact, there will be a lot of internal stress in what will be left of Nigeria. All of una will start fighting yourselves for the biggest slice of the federal reserves.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=577593.msg7448742#msg7448742 date=1293983212]So you'd be able to stop the pipelines and divert the supply into cash? So yes, if you could monetize the 2 million barrels produced a day, sure, life would be pretty good for you. But how will whoever buys it from you get out of the country?   After all, there is a navy to blockade and impound any such oil.[/quote]Is it the same navy that currently "blockades" oil sales on the high sea's? Thats laughable. . . .Just a tiny question; are they going to be blockading US oil tankers?
Again, how long do you think the navy will last without oil money in a war situation? 4 days, 5 days?

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=577593.msg7448742#msg7448742 date=1293983212]Also, as you guys have shown yourself, it is pretty easy to sabotage oil production, period
This I doubt. What %age of the oil produced by Nigeria is a reasonable estimate of that lost to oil bunkering or money given to the militants by their governors. . . let's say 1%? 20K barrels a day is only $1.6 million. That can be easily matched by any ethnic group who decides to go to war.[/quote]It wouldn't be militants waged against you, but a sovereign state. Where do the questions of Nigerian governors or bunkering feature in such a scenario? Dude, we will simply be trading 100% of our oil and zero will go to Nigeria. Pray fervently that that day does not come, because it will become impossible to point fingers at the North as home to almajiri's, everyone will become one. The SS is Nigeria, stick that in your mind.

Engage with what is said above and you will realise why we laugh in the face of the IBB's, Atiku's and Ciroma's of Nigeria. You can have the clowns.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=577593.msg7448742#msg7448742 date=1293983212]Eh, the opposite would be true, imo. Time is not your friend. Time allows other ethnic groups to convert assets into equipment for prosecuting warfare. Time means more recruits, more training, whittling away at the slim head start you have.
Eh, fine, you spend the money you get on weapons, others do not. But once we start buying weapons too, those advantages go away. . .
Mercenaries are expensive and were pretty much useless in the Nigerian civil war. I don't see any reason for them to suddenly become useful in a hypothetical new war. I'd be very happy if my enemy spends valuable resources on expensive mercenaries to prosecute a war in Nigeria. Paying $200k/year to a mercenary. . . that same amount of money will likely get you 100 Nigerians [/quote]Fantasies. You cannot talk about arming a hundred Nigerians when you have no economy, instead you will be seriously devoting time to getting international aid. The begging trips will switch from Abuja to the UN to prevent a record humanitarian catastrophe. The SS is Nigeria, stick that in your mind.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=577593.msg7448742#msg7448742 date=1293983212]The US doesn't like the militants, dude. I don't think they like the Delta either. Especially if that memo by the Shell woman is how the US thinks about things. My guess is that rather than supporting the militants, they'd supply weapons to help crush them. The US likes the status quo in Nigeria and overall probably isn't interested in seeing it changed. This is my guess, at least.[/quote]When did Shell women begin working for the US govt? What you should read is the rehearsed US miltary actions toward a breaking up Nigeria; the 2015 scenario. Go dig up the document at the AFRICOM website; you will find that the US really doesn't give a crap about anything outside the SS.

I will correct you again, if the SS declares sovereignty, you wouldn't be facing militants, but the full might of a nation. More than that, the question of support for militants will be non-existent, rather it would be support for a long suffering people who inhabit the Worlds most poluted oil producing area and the Worlds most polluted wetlands, who were enslaved to oil the corrupt Nigerian economy.

fstrangest:
Why cant you just secede? What is stopping you?

We have laid out what we want, which is true federalism. Thank goodness we do not approach problems in the Boko Haram manner you are thinking about.
However, if all attempts at diplomacy fail, we would leave the sorry country. And dude, on that day, you will get on your knees and beg, cos there will be no smiling.

Sweet T:
I am really ashamed by this, FBI needs to get out of Nigeria. Nigeria is a sovereign land and the Bomb threat are not directed towards America. This is really shameful, if our Government is so inept they should allow somebody who knows how to do their to rule. I am really sad about this development.

Just to re-emphasise, we will soon be seeing US bombing attacks in Northern Nigeria. FBI involvement is quite minor compared to that, so lets save our tears.
All Islamic terrorist actions are ultimately targetted at the US, therefore they are legitimately interested in the increasingly ugly events in Northern Nigeria.

Blame the political fools in the core North who think bombing innocent souls is some sort of political campaign.

alj harem:
beaf i hope you know edo (enahoro) is different from you south-south people

just to clarify that

Stop talking stupidly and keep to your almajiri knowledge. You will soon tell me I'm not SS too. Fool.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=577593.msg7448505#msg7448505 date=1293980474]This I don't agree with. I don't think that there is that much intrinsic variation intelligence-wise between different Nigerian groups.
Well, they have pretty good equipment, RPGs, anti-aircraft, a primitive navy.

My own point is that it isn't as if other groups are stockpiling weapons seriously or preparing for warfare. So any headstart the ND has could be negated quite rapidly.[/quote]Where exactly will others get the money to negate the SS? Especially if oil piplines are finished off, while the supply is diverted?
The SS can spend billions at short notice, and it can do that everyday. The first week or so would be the most painful for the SS if war breaks out, but after that, it would be a crushing defeat for anyone with a relatively primitive army that foolishly attacks us. If you follow the news carefully, you will also find that militants in the SS are quite conversant and comfortable with high tech warfare, regularly employing GPS, UAV's etc. This is aside from the fact that we have the ready cash to employ the baddest mecenaries complete with their ammo from places like SA, Namibia and Angola; call that an angry standing army at a weeks notice.

. . .This is aside from the fact that the US would cripple any unfortunate that touches their beloved SS (it took less than 24 hours for the FBI to land in Abuja and for the US President and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to rush to GEJ's help).