₦airaland Forum

babasoty:
you could be 100 years old and still be a dunce, please you guys should try as much as possible to do your research before coming to post on a public forum, you never heard of the kalabari kingdom, bonny kingdom or opobo kingdom before saying they were all under benin rule, the benin kingdom extended over parts of present day delta state "[/b]"[b]http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/edoofbenin.htm, so don't go saying the whole niger delta region was under benin rule.

Word!

Dede1:
If the so-called Niger Delta is full of useless silts, we shall not have this discussion now. It would amount to terrible dishonesty to discount the presence of crude oil in the political shenanigans surrounding the talk of Niger Delta.

To you, it is all about oil. To we who hail from there, it is about geographical identity. Saying the Niger Delta does not exist is at par with saying things like, "Lagos does not exist," or "Anambra does not exist." It is highly insulting.
I'm at a loss that you cannot see the trap you have fallen into, so badly that you are now proudly camped with strange bedfellows.

alj harem:
u are very correct

In that case, you must now agree you are a donkey who has been making foolish arguments. Next time the bell rings, make sure you go to school.

alj harem:
beaf and co

u guys are igbo whether u like it or not

deal with it

in fact, the faster u guyz learn igbo or yoruba the better it is for u ppl

this mend thing is getting to far, that's why nigerdelta can talk now

i think ones the military really get involved with this ppl, i think it would end

Its now confirmed that you are a fool. Next!

What is so difficult about copying and pasting the puzzle here? I get security warnings from that link and am losing interest.

alj harem:


no one said niger/delta did not exist

all i am saying is that some of it is part of alaigbo kingdom

and some of it is part of the yoruba/benin kingdom

Your foolishness knows no bounds, are you bluetooth?
You open your mouth to mention rubbish and lies about Warri and Sapele being in some mythical "Yoruba kingdom" (amongst other deafeningly foolish assertions). . . and you think you should be taken seriously?

alj harem:
beaf and sapeleguy

to be honest, i have always supported south-south

but this geo-political zone of niger/delta  was part of the benin kingdom

this zone does not exist to stand on there own, it is for the igbos in the real sense

ondo and delta are for the yorubas

before the war, igbos were the majority of ppl living there and ruled as a regional leader

before the oil was found sapele and warri were part of the yoruba kingdom and are still are

crossriver etc were igbos, so why are u trying to create and identity that does not exist

just like middlebelt ppl are doing but theres is understandable

do not deceive urself to think "if" nigeria split u would not split with it

the igbos would take there part of the nigerdelta and the yoruba edo would do the same, the middlebelt are the only ones that can choose to be were they want to be 

so please my brothers do not decieve urselves to think u have a zone in nigeria

it was just done by obj to decieve u ppl that u have a geo-political zone which is a lie

the sooner u u and the igbos that talking on how to be one the better

ikerri and ika and co are just decieving them selves

What a load of crap!

Everything you have written is either absolutely false, ignorant or foolish assumption. It only goes to prove my point that people arguing about the existence of the Niger Delta are thoroughly ignorant and loud.

Dede1:
Like one poster has previously stated, all these clamoring, posturing and encoding of term, Niger Delta, are blindly spurred by crude oil.

Yeah, when the first oil rigs were put down, it miraculously created a delta.

Dede1:
I am not canvassing for change of name but stating factual facts backed by natural denudation of the earth. Tributary or affluent is a stream or small river that flows into a big river. Confluence is where two or more bodies of water meet together. Benue, Imo, Orashi, Utamiri and Qua Ibo rivers are not tributaries of River Niger. Imo River entered Atlantic Ocean as does Niger. Again, Lokoja is not called confluence town for nothing.

I don't know where you got your definition of confluence from, but it is faulty.

In geography, a confluence is the meeting of two or more bodies of water. The opposite of a watershed, it usually refers to the point where a tributary joins a more major river, called the mainstem, when that major river is also the highest order stream in the drainage basin. It is also used in vernacular language as the source (river or stream)—headwaters where two streams meet to become a river of a new name, such as the Los Angeles River at its Canoga Park confluence—headwaters.

The term is also used to describe the meeting of tidal or other non-riverine bodies of water, such as two canals[1] or a canal and a lake.[2] A one-mile (1.6 km) portion of the Industrial Canal in New Orleans accommodates the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway and the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet Canal; therefore those three waterways are confluent there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confluence

The above is a proper definition of confluence. The Benue is a tributary of the Niger, if you wrote otherwise in a geography exam, you would fail.

Dede1:
Wow!!!!!!! Beaf my friend, I suggest you take a peek at Lokoja and you would realize that body of waters that flow southward did not come from River Niger alone. From Lokoja, the body of water that flows southward should have been named Benue-Niger but the colonialists wanted to use Niger and its area to coin Nigeria, hence all the body of water southward is referred as Niger. River Benue does not flow northward but south.

River Benue is a tributary of the Niger. It is a tributary, because the Niger is bigger, that is elementary geography. The body of water that flows southward is called River Niger and it has been so for centuries and it has been so for logical reasons.
If you are proposing a name change, it is a different concept to claiming that the Niger Delta does not exist.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7089840#msg7089840 date=1289045122]Coming from another reasonable adult ![/quote]Yeah, because River Benue flows in the South. . . Daft.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7089770#msg7089770 date=1289044226]Bla bla. . .instead of you to tell me the history and origin of ND,you are here talking rubbish.who cares what you think ? Most other persons have also claimed that ND was a 21st century thing.I want to history not these useless turn-table stories you are giving me ![/quote]History and origin of the ND? Are you possessed by the thinking faculties of a crab? What sort of stup!d question is that? Since you claim to be from Lagos, can you tell me what you would think of an adult Nigerian who doubts the existence of Lagos Lagoon?
Boy! You really are dippy! Do you eat wood or something?

God! How can a grown man be this daft. Is it possible?

Abagworo:
From the core point of view only three states are Niger Delta but by extension,the fringes touch all the 9 NDDC states.In Nigeria oil defines Niger Delta.For example Crossriver has nothing to do with Niger Delta while Anambra forms part of the fringes.Another informal definition of Niger Delta is non-Igbo/Yoruba southerners.Hence in Delta State people refer to the Igbos as fake Deltans while the non-Igbos are the real Deltans.

Fake Niger Deltans are those from place that have no reason to be associated with River Niger (the most glaring example is Ondo state). I don't see how Igbo's from Delta and Rivers can be called fake.
Obasanjo created a ridiculous contraption that true Niger Deltans (core Niger Deltans if you like) rebel against. It was done to weaken the agitation of ND folk against human rights abuse in govts quest for revenue. Obasanjo also carried out the Odi massacre.

igbo boy:
Seriously what do you take the Ijaws as? Homeless people? Just stereotypical of you to think their communities is just oil and water, Well then again as a typical outsider wetin u know?

That is the bluetooths entire aim. I have already broven that he is a tribalistic and alarmingly ignorant on these pages. But there is precious little to expect from someone who thinks the Kingdom of Brass in Bayelsa referrs to art in Benin!!!!!! Damn!!

If only people like bluetooth knew how insulting their words were, they would stay schtum.

Like becomerich, he believes Abacha created the ND! Some people should be banned from the internet for expressing shocking degree's of stup!dity.

I have already quoted 19th century books that mentioned "Niger Delta", because bluetooths daftness made him claim that there was no reference to anything like Niger Delta until 10 years ago (I wonder if he went to school? ); the earliest so far back is 1866, but I'm prepared to go earlier to shame the tribalistic clown and his stark foolishness.

What shocks me most, is that an adults powers of reasoning can be so shambolic that he actually thinks a human could have created the Niger Delta. How retarded is that?

becomrich4:
the world economy may crash if a northerner becomes president. i know southerners are going to bomb up all the pipeline. We are paying through our nose over here already with oil prices.
If a northerner becomes president, oil price would double in prices. because they would blow up nigeria production lines. And that would see the end of world economy.

We need to reach acord.
We remove edo,delta and yoruba people from nigeria.  That way Jonathan remain president of the rest of nigeria or if he want to come. We reach agreement and fine him something.

Damn!

Abeg, if anybody here is from becomerich's village they should come and take care of him o! Winshes don tie di guy down!
. . ."World economy may crash!" Na wa o!

^
Dude, my apologies, you are indeed correct. I've produced other links and some quotes since then.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7087983#msg7087983 date=1289005439]Was it not the same Benin that you refused to recognised as part of ND state that was famous for BRASS art ?[/quote]Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! . . .Surely, it can't be this bad?!
Chai! Your ignorance has finally come to camp! Brass is a place in Bayelsa, it has a very important place in the history of Nigeria (which you are ignorant off).

Damn! Lol @ "brass art!" Laf go kill man pikin o!

@Bluetooth

These oyibo people are terrible o! Can you imagine them writing about the Niger Delta in 1866?! Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1866?!! People go faint o!

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4vEHAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA49&dq=Berlin+Conference+Niger+River+delta&hl=en&ei=AanUTOm2B42EhQexvYHYBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Berlin%20Conference%20Niger%20River%20delta&f=false

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7087952#msg7087952 date=1289004732]That is always your problem.Anytime you can't have it your way,you resort to insults.I asked you serious questions but you directed the question to google and came up with a book !
can't you just tell me ND was founded by so so person and in the year so and so.at atleast this is in a simpler form for you to understand .yoruba ,ibo ,Benin,Junkum,Nupe,Igala and so may others have their histories,can't you give ND history ? [size=14pt]I'm not asking for books for God sake[/size] ![/quote]Enh?!!!

Books have a way of disgracing tribalistic motorpark touts that seek to denigrate others! Books! Na wa for books sha!!!
Imagine another oyibo talking of Niger Delta in 1965! Damn!

"Brass was formerly one of the most active trading towns in the Niger delta. The famous Akassa war (January, 1895)". . .
- The Gold Coast, Britain and the Netherlands 1850 – 1874

Buy it here; http://afraf.oxfordjournals.org/content/64/254/62.extract

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7087798#msg7087798 date=1289001535]Abi o.Is it today that oil producing states are having an umbrella body to properly recognise them ? Why is the case of ND generating problems ? It's all about oil to give more recognition to some oil producing states over another.I learnt bayelsa is the highest producing state after jonathan upped its daily production,that means more money for the ijaw.na so i hear ooo[/quote]Tribalist donkeys always roll with motorpark rumours.

This book was published in 1970, Nigeria: background to nationalism By James S. Coleman. For some reason (maybe na jass), the man (oyibo for dat matter) uses the term, "Niger Delta!" In 1970! Na wa o!

Why?

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZOgdDZlJqG8C&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=Niger+Delta+protectorate+berlin&source=bl&ots=YHoA5c9kF3&sig=qXnL2R3dkqXYYYFiDOVg8GVrpCw&hl=en&ei=X5_UTIbyDtKH4QbYtKXrBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CC8Q6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=Niger%20Delta%20protectorate%20berlin&f=false

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7087854#msg7087854 date=1289002435]sometimes i wondered if you pass through the wall of the university with the way you reason.anyways i'm not like you cuz i appreciate sapeleguy's contribution than yours.its always easy to really know a knowledgeable person not a sentimental human-being like you.Fyi,the berlin conference only gave an official recognition to european colonization of Africa and how does that answer the questions i asked you?[/quote]Dude, don't wonder about anybodys education, when yours is made up of motorpark rumours.

I asked you to read about the Berlin Conference. You will find out that the most important trade item at that time was oil palm produce (something the Niger Delta was famous for). When you read about the Berlin Conference, you will learn about the various protectorates, what they were called and what areas they covered. Of course, you will also come across "Niger Delta."

Getting an education beats foolish ranting anyday.

krendo:
Copy and paste the sentence in the link you provided that talks about Niger-Delta please.

If you can't help yourself, I pity you.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7087736#msg7087736 date=1289000574]who's talking geography here ? I'm talking about history and you are here tripping.Can you please tell me where in the history of pre-colonial Nigeria where reference was made to Niger delta as a source of contribution to Nigeria development.We learned about warri,asaba existence dating back as 3000 BC.can you tell us when ND was discovered ? And don't try to discard me this time around cuz I still maintain my stand that the political ND we know as at date is a 21st century fraud ![/quote]Learn about the Conference of Berlin and the scramble for Africa; [size=14pt]the term, Niger Delta, has been in use for centuries[/size]. Defending ignorance is as bad as defending foolishness:
http://courses.wcupa.edu/jones/his312/lectures/ber-cong.htm

Your arguments are sounding really foolish.

[size=14pt]A picture of Abacha's jass man creating Niger Delta![/size]

https://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/witchdoctor-35.jpg

SapeleGuy:
We can see that the revisionist historians are out in force again. [size=14pt]Oghene bikor[/size] - Mek una try to dey read book once in a while.

The term Niger Delta protectorate, Oil rivers protectorate, Niger Delta coast protectorate are from the 1880's and all predate the colonial contraption called Nigeria.

Seriously! Sometimes, I almost question the sanity of some NLers, imagine educated people saying there was no Niger Delta before Abacha's time?!
Maybe we just weren't aware when Abacha (or whoevers) dredgers and diggers were creating all the rivers that make up the Niger Delta.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7087411#msg7087411 date=1288996019]Trust me. any campaign of such will have made Abacha deployed the whole Nigerian Army to the region and wipe off you guys .your people had to wait for democrazie to push such propaganda.[/quote]Dude, you are talking rubbish. The question is whether there is a Niger Delta or not. What has that got to do with Abacha?
Is Abacha your geography teacher? Scary!

I would have thought any adult Nigerian person would simply confirm by checking their maps or digging up their old primary school books (if they are educated).

becomrich4:
that now fake poll. if you want real poll. is your best place to do it , not nairaland. they would show you the Ip of everybody who voted.

Have you been drinking again? Gallup is from the US.
. . .Eeerrrr becomerich, US means America; just so you learn a new thing.

becomrich4:
who is Alj haram?

Dude, why don't you visit a native doctor that can give you charms to make you VANISH for real?

appletango:
i think you miss my point. or maybe i didn't make myself clear enough for you so please indulge me to S.P.E.L.L it out for you. VOTES ARE NOT COUNTED IN THIS COUNTRY. i mean, do you really believe that the elections in edo, ondo and ekiti where free and fair? wow but anyway, go and vote for this bush man they call goodluck, vote for him in your thousands, millions even, and see how far that gets you. this election will be decided by a discussion that's going to take place involving a few men sitting on a mat under a tree somewhere.

Damn! Has texazzpete told you who he is voting for? He has simply told you to go and vote (for Jonathan, Buhari, IBB etc).
Why do Nigerians assume so many things (even educated ones)? Maybe we should create a thread on that, because it is a very serious issue. It can be painful trying to reason with some people.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7087105#msg7087105 date=1288990837][s]What makes ND ? Is it the topography,the oil,agitation for resource control or the monthly federal allocation ?
like i said,the ND thing started during the obj regime by some people who only wanted to make some oil-producing areas more important than others and such happens to be the ijaw areas.[/s]Why did we not hear of ND during Abacha regime ?[/quote]Because of ignorance.

naijaking1:
You know there's "Niger Delta" and there's Niger Delta.
I'm not talking about the delta as a geophysical entity, and I'm talking about "Niger Delta"--the one founded on lies, misconceptions, and fraud
You know what I mean, the one created by Ijaw people and misnamed to include ALL places where oil is found in Nigeria.

I don't know of any Niger Delta created by Ijaw people (except in la-la land). The only person that can be accused of creating another version of the Niger Delta other than that supported by geography is Obasanjo, or did Ijaws create River Niger too?
I grew up in the Niger Delta, was taught about it in school and it has always been very real to me.

Every book I have read places Warri in the Niger Delta, maybe you people just don't read books. I wonder if you contest whether your state and village exist, or if they were created by almighty Ijaws too?

Tribal supremacists never know when their words cross the line.

mbulela:
I was nodding in agreement until i got to the highlighted phrase.
The Niger Delta militancy is plain criminality and banditry that is being fed by a state that lacks the moral and political will to address it.

So you think the govt must address the Niger Delta militancy before it addresses Niger Delta issues?
Dude, thats weird. I don't think you've read how foreigners view the human rights issues in the Niger Delta, it is a massive disgrace on Nigeria. Throughout the BP oil leak in the US, their newsrooms kept referring to Nigeria and the unbelievably polluted state of the ND. But, hey! There are glaring reasons why Nigeria is so backward; some would proffer corruption, others tribalism or a mixture of both - a factor most miss though, is the level of wickedness on the Nigerian street.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=546151.msg7086677#msg7086677 date=1288985017]The Nd concept is nothing but a fraud.if not,what makes delta state more Nd than Edo state ? Because ijaw no plenty for edo abi ?[/quote]I would have said, you mean Obasanjo's ND concept is a fraud, but you clearly have no concept of what the Niger Delta is.
To answer your question about what makes Delta state more ND than Edo? Duh! The very name "Delta state" should tell you!
Next time, look at your map.