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JTF is not equipped to deal with police matters. We need to modernise our police and speed up the training of our anti-terrorist squads.

What do we do about the almajiri's in the North? They are a worse problem for the country.
They are a pack of deliberately under educated kids who are trained to be souless killers. From Boko Haram to Jos massacres of women and babies, whose corpses they duly burnt, almajiri's are the scourge of Nigeria. We will see their hand again in 2011, that is the real problem we need to be talking about.
The scary thing is that there are 10 million almajiri's by official figures!

Jesu! That small state?

Let batu reign!
. . .See map!

Jarus:
I have two questions for you, Beaf:

1, Can anything good come from Sanusi?
2, Can anything bad come from GEJ?

They are both human and humans are fallible.

That said. . . Why are you comparing GEJ to Sanusi? One is a politician, the other is a banker; one is President, the other is a bureaucrat; one is liberal, the other is a rigid sharia evangelist.
I am quite curious about how the comparison came about, its like oil and water.

Hamid O:
1, Can anything good come from Sanusi? YES
2, Can anything bad come from GEJ? YES

Never knew you were still battling beaf on this, you should know beaf better than anybody(always thinking he can force his views on others).

Very funny.
Abi pesin fit carry cutlass come NL?

I argue my case fairly and fearlessly, it is left for others to argue theirs.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=547913.msg7109105#msg7109105 date=1289315426]We know IBB is evil, but it shocks me that OBJ,ABDULSALAMI, UMYA all did nothing about this case. [/quote]Abdulsalami is IBB's cousin, so that might answer for one of the actors shameful behaviour. IBB imposed Obasanjo on the nation, that takes care of Obj's lack of action. As for Yar Adua, I don't even think that guy knew the meaning of his own name.

True federalism is the answer to the madness siezing our politicians. With true federalism will come true representation and there will be no space for bastar'ds manically seeking to heighten their already obscene avenues to abuse power and steal money. The monkeys are already the highest paid politicians in the World (in a relatively poor country where the masses live wretched lives), but that is not enough.

It is the proper thing to do. The C-130 crashed in the swamps and no rescue mission was allowed anywhere the area for days on end, just to ensure there was no survivors.
The loopy excuse was that the terrain was too swampy. I wonder how the locals move around? I wonder if too swampy for boats? And I wonder how swamplands are recovered for residential purposes by non-expert Nigerians?

Story has it that IBB saw a cadre of youthful officers as a threat to his life presidency ambitions, got them on a plane, and a bomb went off when it was over Ejigbo. . .

To compound issues, the widows and kids the men left behind were left to rot away in pernury and denied any sort of help from the state. Just what sort of demon is IBB?

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Without education, you are in dreamland. Any country with an illiterate populace will fail in the modern World, 10 million almajiri's is an unsustainable figure that only portends doom.
That said, I wish Arewa every success. May your prayers come to pass and may you secede.

@Jbenue
Are you from Benue?

Maxidoe:
You have allowed your anger and hatred to becloud your judgment hence you have decided to wallow in self deceit.JaaizTech asked you some questions, but you clearly chose to ignore them.Illiteracy in the north and the country is no doubt a big problem in this nation, but saying the problem in Nigeria is the lack of adequate education in the north is nothing but fallacy.I would put the questions JaaizTech asked you:
-OBJ stole 16 billion dollars that was meant for rehalbiltating PHCN.Power is one of our biggest prob in this country, if he had trully spent that money, every nooky, cranny in Naija and beyond would have 24hrs uniterupted power supply.How is that the fault of the North?
-Even when Yenagoa had one major road, alameyesia suqndered hundreds of billions of Naira, how is this the fault of the North?
-When Odili sponsored and encouraged cultism in PH, squandered billions of dollars, how is that the north's fault?
-When Ibori despoiled Delta state to the tune of 400 billion naira, how is it the North's fault and imposed his cousin as governor?
-If you have been to Delta of recent, then you would know, Uduagan is also trying to break Ibori's record in stealing, how is that the North's fault?
-When bank chiefs like Ibru,Akingbola decided to drain the bank make it bankrupt, by stealing unimaginable billions how is that the north's fault?
-When all the south east governors decided not to develop and build roads, again i ask how is it the North's faults?
-The south has the worst roads, yet they have governors, how is it also the North's fault?
-The spate of kidnapping and armed robbery in the south, how is it the North's fault?
-The south south collects so much monthly subvention from the federation account, i mean oil producing states, yet they do nothing in their states, how is that also the North's fault?
-Igbenedion was governor for 8yrs, also an oil producing state,yet did nothing for absolutely nothing, is that also the North's fault?
-The IG for the past 10 yrs or more have been southerners, you and i know what the police stands for is that also the North's fault?
-Soludo a reknowned prof, was CBN governor, he knew the rot in the banking sector, yet the bank of the year is usually Oceanic or Intercontinental, is that also the North's fault?

Until we sountherners hold our leaders responsible, especially the Niger delta who collect excess, we would remain where we are, we want to blaming the north is just ridiculous.

Your logic is upside down. It is 100% sentiment and shortsighted.
How do you expect the almajiri to meet minds with the average Southern kid? Is that not the basis for unity? Do you think th likes of Ciroma can speak without the "power" of illiteracy? Nigerian corruption is a mere symptom of underlying structural malaise, believe it or not, educating Northerners will stackly reduce corruption.
Down South, you need armed thugs to rig elections, in the North, you need almajiri's.
There is already serious attention being given to Southern thugs, why do you feel the same shouldnt be done in the North? How do you understand that corrupt politicians come to power and which section of the country do you know to have held the balance of power?

A single cabal has held the country's reigns of power and influence and they have done it with the "power" of almajiri's.

Lastly, do you realise that at 10 million, the number of almajiri's in the North alone is greater than (or equal to) the population of 120 countries? There are 192 countries in the World. If that isn't a problem of gargantuan proportions, tell me what is. Nigeria's biggest problem is the number of illiterates in the North.

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You have 3 Delta state people on this thread.
I believe Chyz is from Delta state (we don't wanna lose him to Rivers ).

For those wondering where Ijaw people came from, they are Nigeria's ONLY indegenious population (its an easy anthropological fact to verify). Everybody met them where they are and they too have migration legends.

DapoBear:
Whatever it is they lack, we can provide. Point is, we are there to support them. They won't get wiped out of Warri or the Delta under our watch.

Seriously, there is no help you can offer to any Delta state ethnicity. I know it sounds like a joke because we are minorities. But weapons? Money? Forget it.
And nobody will wipe out anybody in Warri, we are too intermarried and mixed. In fact, there is no state like ours, long before the novelty of a minority President of the country, we already had a minority governor in the person of an Itsekiri man who is likely to get a second term. Isoko people too are revving up to produce a governor, though I think it will be an Igbo after Uduaghan (Urhobo's and Igbo's dictate the states politics).

chyz:
But its like they jumped over the Itsekiri into Ondo. Don't you think that maybe some of that land that Itsekiri have along the coast may have been taken away from the Ijaw and given to the Itsekiri or maybe the Ijaw sold them that land?

Our (Isoko and Urhobo) history says we were all given land by the Oporoza Ijaw, but the Itsekiri dispute it and have a claim to have been first there. Hence the issues in Warri.

DapoBear:
Well, there are always ways to involve yourself that are not obvious. Money, for one. It isn't as if Yoruba would be dumb enough to send a bunch of us directly to Warri and fight there or something.


EDIT: redundancies removed

Money won't work. Itsekiri land produces the greatest amount of oil per square meter if I'm not mistaking. . . and the boys know what to do in times of "need."
Small as the Itsekiri's are, they too can kick arse in some pretty bad ways. They'll only smile when you offer help, every group in that state can take care of themselves to a large degree.

chyz:
Does anybody have any information of how the Ijaws ended up in Ondo? I want to ask before i give my thoughts.

Ijaws riverine people who are spread along the coastline, from Rivers, to Bayelsa, Delta, Edo and Ondo. Its almost a continous stretch, in fact were it not for Itsekiri land, it would have been that Ijaws occupied all coastal lands from Rivers to Ondo state.

EzeUche0:
Lets be honest, the Itsekiri have powerful allies in the Yoruba. Many Yoruba consider these people as the same as them. Likewise, the Anioma Igbo have allies amongst the hinterland Igbo.

And I wonder how the Ijaw population jumped over the Itsekiri people to be native to Ondo State.

Ol' boy! the last thing any so called giant wants is to involve themseves in Delta state matters; it will end in tears (abi you no hear wetin small Tompolo do JTF?).
There's something about the people that makes them lions among men, when they say, "Warri no de carry last" you bera believe it o!

alj harem:
what dumbest comment

i tell u the 5th largest group in nigeria is itsekiri of population of 2-3 million people

u people just want to classify them as ijaw,,,,, NO
they have rights also

You can't even understand that jason12345 is an Itsekiri guy, you're just wasting your bullets and tormenting your own brain!
Becomerich must be getting jealous that somebody can just drop out Sokoto state and destroy his hard earned reputation within a few short days!
Dude, I hail!

I've also got itsekiri blood from both my parents too.

alj harem:
who told u itsekiri is a small group

Sometimes I think theres only beans between your ears, why don't you ask what you don't know?

If there is an equitable union in which population is negated as a political intrument, ND people wouldnt mind being with the Igbo's. But I see an ND state as more likely and with the presence of Delta state people, we should be able to work out a system where etnic population does not count; that will be necessary to protect our smallest groups, the Itsekiri and the Isoko.

jason12345:
am itsekiri ooooo! we are not going with the igbos and ijaws to any biafra!!!

just wanted to make that clear. by the way, warri is not, i repeat not ijaw land. if it was, we wouldn't have olu of warri

Dude, calm down. That title is Awolowo's curse on Warri, the capital of Itsekiri land is called Ode Itsekiri, in fact the land the Olu's palace is on was bought from an Urhobo man. Before Awo came in with his madness, that title was Olu of Itsekiri. The reason why the Itsekiri's have been at war with Urhobo and Ijaw and is that they are the only ones who do not aknowledge that Ijaw people gave all of us land (Isoko, Urhobo and Itsekiri).

That said, we should be putting all that behind and forging a new future.

I really like the aboki in the first video. The dude was praying for another whale to be washed ashore so they can "pounce" on it!

Evil Brain:
This is insane. So the court is saying that one little man in Abuja can veto an ammendment passed by a two-thirds majority of both houses and 26 state assemblies?
This ruling has serious and far reaching consequences. It means it is now nearly impossible to pass any ammendment that in any way limits presidential power as the president can unilaterally block it. The president can also blackmail the national assembly by refusing to sign an ammendment unless it include clauses that favour him (think of GEJ trying to change the electoral act to allow public officers to vote as delegates in primaries)
The court just made it easy for a corrupt president to transform himself into a Hugo Chavez/Mugabe type tyrant. If this ruling survives on appeal it will be a major flaw in our constitution and the National assembly will have to pass another ammendment to fix it fast.
And then we'll have to hope that GEJ signs it (and being a PDP man, he probably won't). God help us.

Your analysis is overly alarmist. A president can be impeached if he/she strays beyond their powers or displays dictatorial tendencies.
We arent talking about everyday legislation here, it is a whole set of constitutional changes. How do you change the constitution without the consent of the country's leader? The Presidency and legislature are set up to check and balance the power of the other (with the Presidency holding the advantage); you wouldn't expect the President to be able to unilaterally change the constitution, so why should the legislature have that power? Both sides must agree any changes.

This is some serious shyte!

[size=14pt]Amended Constitution Can’t Become Law Without Presidential Assent – Court [/size]
We’ll Appeal -NASS
Mon Nov, 08 2010
By Tobi Smith 

A Federal High Court sitting in Lagos has held that the amendment recently carried out on the 1999 Constitution by the National Assembly cannot become law and operational without the assent of the President.

The court, presided over by Justice Okechukwu Okeke, also ruled that the purported amendment to the Constitution remains inchoate until it is presented to President Goodluck Jonathan for his assent and approval.

The court also declared the 2010 Constitution amendment act as null and void, saying it would remain void until it is sent the President.

Justice Okeke came to the conclusion while delivering judgment in a suit filed by the former President of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA), Olisa Agbakoba (SAN), challenging the refusal of federal lawmakers to forward the amended Constitution to the President for his assent.

However, the National Assembly, insisted that it would appeal against the ruling since the Federal High Court is not the highest court in the country. 

Agbakoba had sued the National Assembly and the Federal Attorney General and Justice Minister, Bello Adoke, challenging the legality of the claim by the lawmakers that Jonathan’s assent is not required before the amendment to the Constitution can become operational.

But the National Assembly had through its lawyer, Johnson Usman filed a preliminary objection to the suit, urging the court to dismiss the suit with substantial cost.

Usman formulated three grounds for the court to strike out the suit, which were; lack of locus standi, lack of jurisdiction and that the court lacked the territorial jurisdiction to adjudicate on the matter.

Usman, had while arguing the matter, contended that only the Attorney General of the Federation (AGF) is empowered under the law to institute such suit.

He further argued that the cause of action arose in Abuja and that Lagos was a wrong place to have filed the suit.

On his part, Adoke, in his preliminary objection, argued that he was not a proper party to the suit being a member of the executive arm of government, and that the suit disclosed no reasonable cause of action against him.

Ruling on the preliminary objections, Justice Okeke held that the plaintiff (Agbakoba) has sufficient locus standi to institute the action since the suit was not a challenge to the debate on the floor of the National Assembly, but the refusal by lawmakers to send the amended Constitution to the President for his assent.

While citing Section 150 of the Constitution, the court held that Adoke is needed in the proceedings, being the Chief Law officer of the country even as a nominal party or at least to witness the proceedings.

The court thereafter dismissed the preliminary objections filed by Adoke and National Assembly.

In his judgment on the main suit, Justice Okeke, who cited Section 2 of the Interpretation Act to back his position, noted that the Constitution, having came into law through an Act, can only be amended through an Act, and that an Act of the National Assembly cannot become law without the assent of the President.

He added that the National Assembly can only go ahead to enforce the Constitution where the President refused to sign it thirty days after receipt.   

“Having failed to comply with the provisions of Section 58 of the Constitution, the purported 2010 amended constitution remains inchoate until it is presented to the President for his assent,” Justice Okeke held.   

According to the suit, Agbakoba wants the court to hold that the ‘Constitution (First Amendment) Act 2010’ passed by the National Assembly cannot take effect as law without the assent of the President.

The ex-NBA boss is contending that the exercise by the lawmakers without the assent of the President was illegal and unconstitutional, urging the court to nullify the amendments on the grounds that the National Assembly had contravened section 58 of the 1999 Constitution.

He further wants the court to hold that in view of the provisions of section 58 (1) of the 1999 Constitution, the assent of the President is a prerequisite before the amendments can become law.

At Tuesday’s proceedings, Agbakoba’s lawyer, Emeka Chijioke adopted his written arguments and urged the court to grant all the relives sought by his client.

He also urged the court to dismiss the preliminary objections filed by the National Assembly and Adoke

Replying, National Assembly lawyer, Johnson Usman adopted his written briefs on the matter and urged the court to dismiss the suit with substantial cost.

Usman urged the court to disregard Agbakoba’s further affidavit and reply on points of law, saying that the processes were filed out of time.

The National Assembly, in its objection, formulated three grounds for the court to strike out the suit, which are; lack of locus standi, lack of jurisdiction and that the court lacks the territorial jurisdiction to adjudicate on the matter.

Adoke, in his objection, argued he was not a proper party to the suit being a member of the executive arm of government, and that the suit disclosed no reasonable cause of action against him.

http://www.thetimesofnigeria.com/Article.aspx?id=2937

The attacker is probably a mental patient. He will spend the rest of his life staring throughs metal bars in Kirikiri.

krendo:
If you support zoning then you are educated and if you don't support zoning then you are not educated

Beaf and his many aliases sha

What do you mean?

EzeUche0:
Beaf,

You know that this thread was directed at you. . .

Oyb- "not so long ago, any news of attacks by mend would b greeted by "up mend!", mostly by the people who have now turned blind supporters of gej

its interesting watching them fall over themselves condemning henry okah, who so many of them lionized"

Funny how you was once a passionate supporter of Henry Okah, but now you are not. He criticized your savior GEJ and now he has been cast off like trash. You were once a PROUD supporter of MEND as well. Do not deny it, because everyone on the Politics section of NL will call you a liar.

Chima Orlu is not a real person. Don't you understand that. How come this is the first time we are hearing anything about this man? We did not hear anything about him before. Instead of chasing phantoms, they should be chasing the people who are actually wining and dining with GEJ. This is getting easy Beaf. You are easy to refute. It doesn't even take me much effort.

. . .Donkey like arguments.

As to the bolded, your daddy, Chima Orlu was never a member of MEND, was he? Please don't make arguments in areas that are beyond your meagre logical gifts.
As usual, you aren't making any sense, but then, thats always been your hallmark.

Bloody worshipper of Chima Orlu, the murderer.

homerac7:
@ Beaf,

Yeah, we may not hav inside knowledge of what happened bt d official statement shouldn't b ridiculous either. Whatever inside knowledge they had prior to d event is evidently poorly managed by his weak argument.

The bolded says it all. If we do not have knowledge, we should avoid making conclusive comments. A very good example is when the SSS released the names of the bombers, Ben Jessy and Chima Orlu; quite a few NLers who should have known better made loud and corrosive arguments about how the govt was feeding us made up names. Fastforward to last weekend in SA were Henry Okah submitted a sworn affidat to the court saying he knew Chima Orlu as a onetime friend, who had in fact lived under his roof; https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=546755.msg7097747.

What would the all knowing NLers of a few weeks ago say now? Fake name or their uninformed conclusions? You tell tell me.

EzeUche0:
Again with the insults? Can you make a point without resorting to insults, or are you just too childish, you have to do this in order to get your point across. All I can say is that it is pathetic. Like I have said, I have no problem with you. I just called out your hypocrisy. Now get over it. I am not the only person who said this, and I wont be the last.

Don't you think dragging my name into this thread is worth insults? You'd be a fool not to.

Of course, you won't be the only one in a pathetic cowardly group that feels lynching is the best way to defeat an opponent who is smarter than you.
If you hadn't brought my name into this topic, I wouldn't even have commented on it, because it is neither here nor there.
Respect yourself and others will respect you; but it seems you do not even have the ability for self respect.

While we're at it, say hello to Chima Orlu. He is wanted for bombing our 50th anniversary celebrations and Henry Okah (your new pal) has sworn an affidavit to the effect that he is real and lives in SA under the name, Malcolm Umejessi. Die.
Your stup!d tribalistic affiliation to a murderer is what is causing your current pain and the reason you brought up my name here, thinking I would be lynched like the coward that you are. Respect yourself.