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rethink:
@Okunoba


Very Good let us ask ourselves what has the southern elite done. Should the Oba of benin take responsibility for an action of a Niger Delta Militant? What defines The Muslim North? The southern Parasitic Elite had a Psychological strangle hold on our reasoning. We accuse the Imaginary North of the same thing we indulge in. We need mental fasting.

How about, the Southern elite are not blaming the British for Southern standards of education? Rather, there was free education in the West and Midwest and high standards in the East. Compare that with 10 million almajiri's running loose (an estimated 2 million in Kano alone), kids who should be with their parents.

Lack of education is the factor that threatens the North most. The almajiri crisis is a time bomb that will blow up one day soon.

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Aboki, there is nothing intelligent in your post above. Me sef has laid out several points and done it logically. It is for you to prove that the logic is flawed and the conclusions wrong. If all you can do is list each point and counter with an abusive torrent, then you are proving yourself to be incapable of operating logically.

Tone down the abuse and prove Me sef wrong, if you can.

chosen04:
Did i miss an opportunity to put my name in the record books?

This young girl lady just did.

Missed an opportunity? At what age did you have your own child? 6 years?

naijaking1:
Like Dede1 said in his write up, there was nothing like "Niger-Delta" before the discovery of oil. We had eastern Nigeria, Midwestern and western Nigeria. It's true.

So what was River Niger called before the discovery of oil? Thats the new mystery. Or was it not there? Did the discovery of oil create it too?
The other mystery is if it was called Niger River before oil was discovered, and of course if a it had a delta at the time or that only grew one after the discovery of oil. Strange if it did.

On the other hand, Delta, Bayelsa, Anambra, Imo, Abia, Ebonyi etc are entities that can easily be proven not to have existed before the discovery of oil. Would you think anybody maintaining that they are artificial is being reasonable?

okunoba:
The North suffers more from the injustice of Nigeria than the average Southerner, it as the highest number of child beggars estimated to be over 10 million, the illiteracy rate is second to non and the number of destitute of northern extract dwarfs the number of poor southerners.

My question to Sanusi is Since independence over 50yrs ago, what have the Emirs, governors and past presidents of Northern extraction done to correct the  education deficit of the Muslim North which he attributed to British rule of over 50yrs ago? What as he personally done as part of the Northern ruling class to promote education in the North, what is he doing to change the almajiri educational system of the North where children as young as five are sent to  Islamic schools to learn nothing but the Koran and that is usuall the only education they will ever get unless they are from the ruling class like sanusi. Western Education in the North is only for the privileged few.

Talking of unity, where were the Northern elite like himself when innocent Igbos were being slaughtered in the north, where was he and his fellow N ruling class when southerners were being killed.  Y have we not heard or seen any of these Northern elite do anything to stop these periodic killings since the 60s.  

Mallam Sanusi is an apologist for the Northern ruling class of which he is a beneficiary, he doesn`t care for our  poor oppressed Northern brothers, who have been brutalised by their own Northern leaders and ridiculed by their brothers down south. Sanusi is part of the same old Northern ruling class that have not only failed to make life better  for the average northerner, but also failed to move Nigeria forward.

It`s about time we stop picking on the average Northerner, but rather embrace them and make them a part of the Nigerian struggle for justice and fairness.

Brilliant post.

makeitsoon:
yes i have thoughts about it. but why do u have to be so rude? abeg leave me jor.

Ok, apologies, don't be annoyed. Can we hear your thoughts?

Don't you have thoughts of your own? If such exist, let us know them, instead of glibly quoting something another NLer said on another thread and asking what we think. What do you think and why?

I'm shocked that this so called prophet is getting time of day from esteemed NLers. He is just another charlatan among many, hoping for relevance by making vague "prophesies."

Me too sef wan prophesy!
Behold brethren! Lo, I see the heavens open and a voice like thunder speaketh; "tomorrow will come, then night will come and day will break. This will happen again and again in a cycle."

I observe some fools lack the skills to make logical arguments (as usual), so take to attacking persons in keeping with their gutter outlook.
Should we be surprised? 

DapoBear:
I think if you are Delta, the naive solution would be try to secede and setup your own oil state. But true federalism in which you have full control over the oil drilled from your land is a superior option, in my opinion that the naive solution (I can go into further details why, if you like.)

For the Igbo, financially you definitely want a federal state, it would suck for them moneywise to leave, since they'd then be closed out of a lot of markets. And if they are boxed out of the south-west and boxed out of the south-south, it would be really hard to earn money.

For my people, the Yoruba, I want federalism because it encourages the best people from the elsewhere in Nigeria to move to Lagos. And in general, if you can convince the best and brightest people to move to your country, learn your language, join your culture, I think it is very powerful. But of course, I want nothing to do with the Almajiri Republic because they are against federalism. All they want to do is steal money that doesn't come from their lands.

The Almajiri boys are like going out to dinner at a nice restaurant with a large group of friends. But one of your friends ALWAYS conveniently forgets to bring his checkbook or cash to pay! Such people who don't want to contribute are not needed.

With that said though, even if Nigeria completely breaks apart, I'm fine with the Yoruba standing alone. We have lots of offshore oil on our coast, the wonderful city of Lagos, and millions of talented people abroad who will have strong incentive to move back and build the land of their ancestors.

Your reasoning is totally flawed, shortsighted and painful. Every part of Nigeria can become economically vibrant without reliance on any of the present parts. No region needs any other for trade or development, aren't there other countries to trade with? It is such shortsightedness that is making Nigeria the directionless backwater it currently is, shackeled minds shackle development.

What Nigeria lacks is organisation and developmental institutions.

To butress my point, here is a list of mere cities that that make more money than the whole of Nigeria (GDP $166billion) combined:

All figures in $billion
Tokyo $ 1479
New York City $ 1406
Los Angeles $ 792
Chicago $ 574
London $ 565
Paris $ 564
Osaka $ 417
Mexico City $ 390
Philadelphia $ 388
São Paulo $ 388
Washington D.C. $ 375
Boston $ 363
Buenos Aires $ 362
Dallas $ 338
Moscow $ 321
Hong Kong $ 320
Atlanta $ 304
San Francisco $ 301
Houston $ 297
Miami $ 292
Seoul $ 291
Frankfurt $ 290
Toronto $ 253
Detroit $ 253
Seattle $ 235
Shanghai $ 233
Madrid $ 230
Singapore $ 215
Sydney $ 213
Mumbai $ 209
Rio de Janeiro $ 201
Phoenix $ 200
Minneapolis $ 194
San Diego $ 191
Istanbul $ 182
Barcelona $ 177

excoba101:
All nation works together. These sicknesses we claim doesn't have cure really has cure. In the first place the diseases were created by scientist and inject then in either vaccines or food or eatable animals like pigs etc. This was meant to reduce over population on earth. Now in science who ever creates a virus has the antidote because it will be the reverse of the formula he created the virus with that will be the cure. So HIV/AIDS, Diabetes etc has cure, they are waiting for a particular time to bring it out, now countries involved in making the cure for these sicknesses will also use the medium to make money selling drugs. It is all politics my friend. Trust me.

Helloooooooooooo!!! Haba! Na wa o!
I knows its Friday, but drop the sepe abeg.

If Arewa leave because they cannot maintain the exploitatitive status quo, then we must immediately sit and grind out an agreement for true federalism; informal outreaches between regions/ethnicities need to begin, just in case Arewa loosen stranglehold on our development and dump it on themselves in their shiny new sharia republic.

The next concern will be how to build a very high, electrified wall that suicide bombers and other fcked up Boko Harams cannot cross.

DapoBear:
So let me ask my Igbo people a question. If somehow the North left, would you guys want to split from the remainder too? Personally I'm of the opinion that it would be possible to form a very good, strongly federalist state (with very weak central gov't) with the remainder of Nigeria. But I suspect that due to past history (especially events from the Biafra war), you guys would want to leave if you could.

I'd be fine with either choice, but am curious.

This question also goes to Edo, Delta minorities, Middle Belters, too. And to my Itsekiri and my Yoruba from Kwara, which side will you choose? Keep in mind that in all cases, I advocate a strongly federalist state, with constituent states having most of the power over their affairs.

Edo, Delta minorities will roll with true federalism. I am 100% certain the Igbo's will too (same goes for Middle Belt); the thing we all hate is this unitary system foisted on us by military regimes (a system which benefits the core North only and drags the of us rest back).

alj harem:
why are u ppl celebrating

ain't u meant to be tell or begging us to stay like u did to the igbos

are the igbo more important than us

well i just want arewa republic to done fast

This thread has turned as ridiculously funny as Junaid Mohammed!
Dude, we will give grants (free money), loans, advice and free help from the various transport companies (should any need such assistance). Since goro grows in the rainforests, we will also ensure a free and steady supply for a number of years.

We will accept Niger state, Plateau, Benue, Taraba, Adamawa, Kogi, Kwara, Kaduna whose Christian and minority Muslim populations will refuse to join Arewa point blank (who wan be jaki? ).

Sagamite:
. . .
I think he is a very intelligent and blunt man.
. . .

No doubt, he seems to be. But intelligence (or its seeming appearance) does not insulate a person from being either misguided or deceptive. I accuse Sanusi of being a mixture of both. At the very best, Sanusi is a man led by ethnic persuasion to repeatedly defend the status quo by slight of hand; at worst, he is a sophisticated torch bearer of the status quo.

His padding of illogical (even immoral) viewpoints with pseudo intellectual reasoning is quite well illustrated in your own conclusion to his vaporous argument as to how Kalu and Falae were the authors of IBB's ruinous economic policies (policies he made patently clear in his very first "fellow Nigerians" speech).

Sagamite:
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Power is centralised and it was a military dictatorship. What did he expect Kalu and Falae to do? Get shot? Be roped into a coup?

Furthermore, the main qualms against the retard called IBB was looting, not the economic running by the other 2. Although the looting has an impact on economic running, it was not poor economic decisions that led to economic collapse, it was the avarice of IBB and his institutionalisation of corruption that led to lack of funds not being able to back economic activities or deliver economic goals.
. . .

Each and every single one of his arguments in the OP can be picked apart similarly.
In my estimation, Sanusi is a defender of the status quo.

Gayigaskia:
So what he heck are ranting about ? Isn't that part of what Sanusi was trying to say?

Only ignorance, would make it seem that that was what Sanusi was saying.

This is my conclusion on Sanusi's speech (excerpt from earlier post). If you can fault the bulletted points, then we have a discussion.

. . .Sanusi is nothing but a myth starter; he name drops people and ethnicities to impress, only to wrap glitter over falsehood (like wrapping excreta in gold). His whole speech can be summarised as:

[list]
[li]The North has never been a single political unit. . . Fail![/li]
[li]The British did not educate Northerners, therefore don't blame them for being educationally backward. . . Fail! [/li]
[li]Despite the core North ruling the country for 39 of its 50 years, they are not to blame for Nigeria’s failure. . . Fail! [/li]
[li]Southerners are the reason IBB's economic plans failed. . . Fail! [/li]
[li]Urhobo and Itsekiri people stopped quarrelling because they discovered oil. . . Fail! [/li]
[li]We must maintain the status quo and keep drilling oil without considering any human rights cries, because that is our only resource. . . Fail! [/li]
[/list]

. . .

The long and short of Sanusi's argument is, keep the status quo.

The man is not even a member of PDP. He belongs to some obscure party that is unlikely to extend past the gates of his compound. . .
Peoples Salvation Party (PSP)! Who ever heard of anything so ridiculous?

In an interview with The Guardian (2 November 2010), Junaid – a member of the People’s Salvation Party (PSP) -- was asked what he expected would happen if Goodluck Jonathan won the PDP’s endorsement to contest the 2011 presidential election. He said: “There would be violence. First, the PDP would never be the same again. People would desert the PDP in droves; secondly, the north is not going to take it hands down. I want to assure that I want you to hold me to this after seeing the way the events shape.”

The bastar'd should be locked up and tried for treason.

auwal87:
You actually love those people, because they are doing things to paint us BLACK! And that's exactly what you want.

. . .

1 in every 3 south easterner is a mugu (419er).

If you actually mean your words that Ciroma and his cabal  are painting the North black, then you are a friend. There have been enough cries from Southerners that true Northerners should disown the likes of Ciroma so we can get on, because we know that not all of the core Northern elite is bad. There are very good ones eg Col Umar, Balarabe Musa (with some reservations), Ribadu, El-Rufai, I also like Sule Lamido.

If you say 1 in every 3 South Easterners is dubious, then you are no better than Ciroma whom you condemn.

Sagamite:
Did you for a second, I mean a pure, undiluted second, think it is possible that the spelling was by the Journalist and not Sanusi?

How did you arrive at that? What analysis did you do?

What should this be called?

1) Conjecture
2) Sophism
3) Calumniation
4) All of the Above

So you've learnt new words outside "conjecture?" I see your vocabulary is no longer monosyllabic, new words have been added to your rote. Congrats.
Now can you actually state your position, or like some unicellular organism, don't you have any?

auwal87:
You should have just mentioned the therapy!

Don't you hate us?

Hate you? Guy, you are dreaming.
Firstly, who do you define as "us?" If your definition of "us" includes Ciroma, Kaita, Kanti Bello and their criminal gang of old bats, then dude, self defense is not hatred.
Those vultures will be soundly defeated and jailed, their day will come.

chyz:
Don't jinx us.

Which one be jinx again na? Don't tell me you're superstitious.

^

Dis one na sickness o! Don't forget to take ya drugs, 7 after each meal (two pink, one green, three capsules and one red one). Also, do not mix drugs and alcohol.

anyason:
@Beaf,
Pls correct yourself first before correcting Sanusi. It is Urhobo and not Uhrobo.
Besides, like someone said earlier Sanusi made a speech (Verbal) while a reporter put it in writing. So how do know the spelling of a spoken word? Always use your brain and stop all these destructive criticism

Shut your bloody trap and cut out dim interjections. Please do not engage me if you are incapable of commanding logic, I find such people to be a waste of time.

Do you have anything to say about his much more fundamental falsification of the history of the Niger Delta? It is fools like you that Sanusi sells his snake oil to. Sanusi is nothing but a myth starter; he name drops people and ethnicities to impress, only to wrap glitter over falsehood (like wrapping excreta in gold). His whole speech can be summarised as:

[list]
[li]The North has never been a single political unit. . . Fail![/li]
[li]The British did not educate Northerners, therefore don't blame them for being educationally backward. . . Fail! [/li]
[li]Despite the core North ruling the country for 39 of its 50 years, they are not to blame for Nigeria’s failure. . . Fail! [/li]
[li]Southerners are the reason IBB's economic plans failed. . . Fail! [/li]
[li]Urhobo and Itsekiri people stopped quarrelling because they discovered oil. . . Fail! [/li]
[li]We must maintain the status quo and keep drilling oil without considering any human rights cries or wider detriment to our economic/developmental future, because oil is our only resource. . . Fail! [/li]
[/list]

Sanusi also said this:

There are good Yoruba people, good Igbo people, good Fulani people, good Nigerians and there are bad people everywhere. That is the truth.

Very true, but Sanusi is not one.

Poll prediction; Jonathan wins by landslide.

[size=14pt]2011: Jonathan, most acceptable aspirant -US Gallup Poll[/size]
•Ribadu, Buhari trail president in popularity
•Civil societies task Ciroma on consensus candidate
Written by Taiwo Adisa and Soji-Eze Fagbemi, Abuja
Friday, 05 November 2010

AN opinion poll conducted by NOI Polls, in conjunction with the United States-based Gallup Poll, has rated President Goodluck Jonathan as the most acceptable presidential hopeful in the 2011 elections.

The poll, conducted between October 7 and 11, rated aspirants, including General Muhammadu Buhari, General Ibrahim Babangida, former Vice-President Atiku Abubakar, Kwara State governor, Dr Bukola Saraki and Mallam Nuhu Ribadu.
It reported that  nearly all respondents (99 per cent) of the respondents said they were aware of President Jonathan’s ambition to govern Nigeria from 2011, while 87 per cent of the respondents said he should run for the office. Only 12 per cent of those polled responded that the president should not stand for election in 2011, while one per cent was indifferent.

President Jonathan’s closest rivals in the race, according to the polls, are former head of state, General Muhammadu Buhari and the former chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), Mallam Nuhu Ribadu.

NOI/Gallup said in a statement announcing the polls: “Almost all (99 per cent) of the people polled said they were aware of President Jonathan’s intention to contest in the upcoming presidential election. Eighty-seven per cent of respondents said they feel he should run for office. This figure is slightly higher than before the president declared his intentions to contest, where 81 per cent felt he should run.”

While 97 per cent of the respondents are aware of Buhari’s intention to contest the 2011 election, only 41 per cent of the figure feel that he should run for office in 2011. Another 58 per cent say he should not run and three per cent of the population of the polls said they are undecided.

For Ribadu, 86 per cent of the respondents say they are aware of his ambition to contest the 2011 presidency but only 55 per cent think he should contest the election. Forty-one per cent think he should not run for the office.

Ninety per cent of those polled said they are aware of former Vice-President Atiku Abubakar’s ambition to contest the 2011 poll, but only 27 per cent think he should run for the election.  While 87 per cent of those who believe he should run say that it is his right to contest, 21 per cent of those polled say they don’t want him to contest because of their view that he is corrupt.

The ambition of former military ruler, General Ibrahim Babangida, to rule is also well-known among Nigerians. Ninety-seven per cent of those polled said they were aware of his ambition but only 27 per cent feel he should run for office, while 69 per cent think he should not run.

The poll agency stated in a release: “While nearly all of those quizzed (97 per cent) are aware that Ibrahim Babangida has declared his intention to run for the 2011 presidential election, only 27 per cent think he should run for office.”

Of the 69 per cent of those who said IBB should not run for president, 19 per cent gave as their reason, IBB’s poor reputation, 17 per cent said he is corrupt and another 17 per cent want a new generation of leaders.

For Governor Bukola Saraki, 88 per cent of the respondents said they are aware of his plan to contest the election, while only 35 per cent want him to contest the election. Sixty-two per cent of the respondents said Saraki should not  contest the election, while three per cent  are non-committal.

The report stated: “While 88 per cent of the people polled were aware of Governor Saraki’s intention  to run for office, only slightly over one-third (35 per cent) of respondents felt he should run. Sixty-two per cent said he should not run while three per cent did not have anything to say on the issue.”

When asked whether Governor Saraki should run for the 2011 election,  84 per cent of those who  said he should run  for the office, said he had a right as a Nigerian to vie for the office. Six per cent said he is a good man, while 35 per cent said he was experienced and a man of integrity.

Twenty-three per cent of the 87 per cent of the respondents who want Jonathan to run cited their reasons as his right as a Nigerian; 18 per cent cited his experience/competence and 16 per cent said he was innovative and a man of integrity, while 10 and 12 per cent said he was a good man and he represented a new generation of leaders respectively.

But 70 per cent of those who said Buhari should run said he is qualified as a Nigerian, while eight per cent  said he had the experience. Another five per cent said he was a man of integrity while another eight per cent said he was a good man.

A complementary poll conducted on the state of security in Nigeria, however, indicated that Nigerians were apprehensive about the state of security in the country.

The survey, also conducted, by NOI/Gallup Poll said there was pervasive fear and general scepticism  about the capacity of the law enforcement agencies to deal with the security situation in the country.

A release by the NOI Poll stated that Nigerians were asked in a poll representative sample of phone owning Nigerians the simple question how safe do you feel?

Reports from the field indicated that 64 per cent of the respondents said they felt unsafe or very unsafe as a result of the October 1 bomb blasts in Abuja. Sixteen per cent said they neither felt safe nor unsafe while only 20 per cent said they felt safe and very safe.

When the respondents were asked whether they had confidence in the Nigerian security services, 75 per cent said they lacked confidence in the security services while 24 per cent expressed confidence in the security services.

“This poll is part of the ongoing snap poll exercise conducted by NOI Polls to rapidly assess public sentiments following various social, political or economic events,” the research agency said.

http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/front-page-news/13169-2011-jonathan-most-acceptable-aspirant-us-gallup-poll-ribadu-buhari-trail-president-in-popularity-civil-societies-task-ciroma-on-consensus-candidate

marvix:
SANUSI HIT IT RIGHT ON POINT.

The northerners were not united before the british came, same for the easterners and westerners, but at independence the North was one, the East became one and the west was one.

It was left to us who were born into independence to grow as Nigerians not as easterners or yorubas or edos or hausas, we are all Nigerians, the way the Northern man comes from a state, local govt and a village.

Sanusi is an intellectual and really hit the nail on the head, today is a special day for me just readin g this, I wish i could see his face and tell him, Sir thank you very much.

Jarus pls can you send me the articles from SLS that you have I will really appreciate it my email is marvixus@yahoo.com.

Beaf you have been my comrade on the GEJ threads, but on this you are far off the point Sanusi never implied that the wars started 10yrs ago or stopped then, what he was sayin is the different people in the ND were locked up in wars, the Itshekiris and Urhobos or uhrobos or watever had been at war, pls Beaf if u have nothing useful to say keep your fingers to urself and dont make a fool of urself or u would inadvertently spoil GEJs cjances at the polls.

Was he not right when he asked "how many industries has ibru built in urhobo", was he not right when he asked "how many govs have the east west or north produced that can be seen as role models after the likes of Nnamdi Azikwe, Awolowo and Tafawa balew".

Sanusi sees himself as a Nigerian from the northern part, not as a northerner in Nigeria, its just like a black american knows that he is an American that is black, but a Nigerian in America is not a black American he is a black in America!

Jarus pls I am waiting for your mail thanks.

I am not going to entertain a worthless rant. There is just the bolded to consider, this link does not even begin to cover Ibru http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ibru
Find out how much of it is in Urhoboland before you jump into matters you know nothing about. Ibru has 100's of companies and industries dotting Urhoboland. Cecilia might have done badly with the bank Ibru built for her, but that is no reason for relative kids to soil the Ibru name.

As for the lies about Itsekiri, Urhobo and ND, there is no excuse for the shameless act, except as usual some folk believe they can dump on minorities and always walk away scott free.

Abagworo:
The problem is the environmental impact of solid mineral mining.Some of those northern States are actually richer than the oil producing states.That is the reason why I continue to advocate for true federalism.

The environmental impact will not be at the levels witnessed in the ND, especially as each state will be mining their resources themselves. It will give most Nigerians a deep understanding of the human rights issues in the ND.

gadogado:
Dude, what I'm saying is that its economically impossible to have an unemployment rate of 4.9% and have 10 million child beggars. IT doesn't make sense in the least bit. Who came up with that statistic you proffered? They must think every Nigerian is ignorant because you must be to believe that utter rubbish. 10 million in a country of 150 million roam the streets and beg, how on earth can you believe that for heavens sake??
It is simply impossible that 10 million children are beggars or hawkers in Nigeria. Its not true!! If one in every 3 or 4 northern children was a beggar, do you realize you cant make a single turn anywhere in the north without seeing a beggar, it means that of every 3 children you see at any given time, approximately one has a bowl and is begging, that is a blithering lie. Furthermore, it is simply impossible.

When last did you visit Kano? There are 2 million almajiri's in Kano alone by official figures.

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You can talk your crap. I challenged you to create a thread to prove your point. Why are you scared?
Lets see how civilised those who marry 13 year olds are.

I am not one for speculation. I believe the minister. It is also notable that she hasn't retracted her figures after several months.
There are 10 million almajiris.

safariman:
The constitution needs to change, if and when, who then own the oil, the states, LGA or individuals?
And if and when that happens, we think the rest of the nation will just watch as their milk ticket drys out?

There is no way the ND will not be open to providing finance to develop other areas. I've said this over and over, whenever the battle for resource is won, all sides would need to agree funding and development modalities for the development of uranium mining, gold mining, coal mining, education etc. In return, after an agreed weaning off period, other areas will begin paying a pre-agreed compensation to the ND, perhaps in mining shares or monetery payments. You will be shocked at how quickly Nigeria will industrialise under such an arrangement.

gadogado:
Year Unemployment rate Rank Percent Change Date of Information
2003 28.00 % 30 1992 est.
2006 2.90 % 27 -89.64 % 2005 est.
2007 5.80 % 65 100.00 % 2006 est.
2008 4.90 % 65 -15.52 % 2007 est.
2009 4.90 % 60 0.00 % 2007 est.
2010 4.90 % 46 0.00 % 2007 est.


In a country that has 4.9% unemployment rate, 7% of its population are child beggars?? about 30% of children aged 12-24 are beggars on the street? come on, Nigeria as a country is not that bad

I thought you mentioned your statistics expertise some posts back? Where in the World are children considered as part of the work force? Dude, unem[plyment rate is for adults only, it doesn't take into account things like child marriages, the 10 million almajiri's etc.