₦airaland Forum

^How about, cos my hometown is very very nice? Id!ot.
This is why I call you a winsh. You cannot even empathise with the poor souls caught in those hellish places.

So they bought tokunbo for the presido?

cre8tivity:
@beaf, are you from the north? have you noticed that noone is really talking about atiku?

No, I'm from Delta state. What about you?
I have not noticed that noone is talking about Atiku, rather, he and IBB have been at the helm of all zoning campaigns and meetings.

I remember the day, I found myself in Ijora Badia, it was such an unholy shocker at the levels of misery existing in Nigeria. My girlfriend wondered why I was chocking back tears when I got back home. That day is etched in my mind forever.
These slums are a disgrace to Nigeria and a physical sign of our wickedness to each other.

We should demand the publication of all names involved, because if it was two miserable robbers at Oshodi, by now we would have known their names and their family compounds. Rubbish.

2011 will surely be a war zone! No wonder the clown, Onovo requested for permission to shoot to kill at polling booths.

CyberG:
Becomerrich. . .you once criticized another poster on NL for his use of English. Yours is most incoherent, disjointed and akin to someone who's losing his mind! What sense does the multitude of alphabets you wrote up there make?  That bunch of crap you wrote seems to be mere rambling of a man struggling to grasp what he is trying to communicate! In case you don't know, proof-reading what you have written helps to weed-out grammatical blunders, poor spellings, typographical errors, ambiguous statements, etc. Learn to proof-read before you hit the "Post" button!

Now, tell me which of the stories on SR is fabricated, give me your proof and I will investigate and perhaps, you might convince me that they (SR) intentionally fabricate stories to drive traffic to their website!

You must be joking! I mean tell me you're kidding! Why on Earth would an "electricity engineer" and captain of batu proof-read?

tpiah:
your mama, you mean.

No, I mean the children you aborted.

cre8tivity:
@beaf, sorry to bust your bubble, your next president (yoruba, hausa or igbo) in nigeria for the next 16 years are all going to be nothing but criminals, there is nothing you can do about it. if electing criminal is your concern, my advise for you is to forget it. it is inevitable for at least 16 years more
we you totally understand our politics and politicians at home, you'll understand that the diff btw jonathan, atiku, akala, ibb, el rufai, fashola and many others, isn't much. they are all the same people from the same blood, the same system. and i can assure you that this defective system is ready to stay for the next 16 years.

I have a lot of faith in Atahiru Jega. That man cannot be bullied and he has been mandated to produce credible elections, so yes! I lie awake in hope.

[quote author=OYB_MEND link=topic=486680.msg6462247#msg6462247 date=1280278010]Goodluck Jonathan has been boxed into a corner as far as PDP is concerned.

What will be a master stroke by Jonathan is to remain PDP candidate but not make effort to win, conduct a free and fair election and handover to Donald Duke.

That way Jonathan will be seen as a Nigerian Hero who did not rig elections to remain in power, He will be seen as a father of free and fair elections in Nigeria but he will also be seen as King of egalitarian Nigeria who alllowed the best candidate to win even if he was an ethnic minority.[/quote]As long as free and fair elections are delivered and zoning is bunked for merit, Jonathan will be seen as a hero. Right now, zoning and rigging are the two greatest issues facing Nigeria. After we get a credible electoral process, we will begin to have leaders that truly represent us, not thieves like IBB and Atiku that see Nigeria as a free for all.

Credible elections is the only thing that will loosen the cold, tenacious grip of criminals over Nigeria.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=486013.msg6462237#msg6462237 date=1280277796]Batu[/quote]

cre8tivity:
in fact, some of these people are making this noise only because they know for sure that jonathan isn't contesting. someone also said atiku might be the chosen one.
if a sitting president still can not reveal at this point that he's contesting, it is a common sense that he isn't going to contest. my advise for you guys pulling for jonathan is, don't break your heart, jonathan is not going to contest for the 2011 presidential election

To the bolded. . . Error, a lot of us are pulling for the constitution. As I said earlier, Jonathan is not the Nigerian constitution, but he will create the ladder to the promised land.
We are pulling for the constitution to stop criminals like Atiku ever gaining power. Maybe, its time to extradite him to the US as is happening to Ibori (Dubai to UK).

cre8tivity:
do not forget that jonathan became our president today only because of zoning arrangement. and zoning was recognized up until yaradua died.
jonathan himself will even agree that zoning was in place when he became the vp and in fact it was part of the plans why he was picked as the vp.

Seriously, this argument does not count. Jonathan is not the Nigerian constitution.

cre8tivity:
yes, they realize how they are suffering just like other nigerians after ruling for 38 of our 49 years, but the truth is northerners don't see jonathan as their saviour. if you completely understand northerners you will understand that an average northerners will rather see another northerner as the president of this country regardless of the outcome. this is also why many people (yoruba and igbo)do not want to see ibb to contest, because even with bad track record, they know that ibb will be elected by his people before any yoruba or igbo man is elected. i repeat an average northerner will vote for another northerner any time any day regardless of what is going on in nigeria.

Where is the average Northerner from? Kwara, Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Adamawa, Borno or Sokoto?
There is nothing like "the average Northerner", that fellow simply doesn't exist.

labalaba4:
That's right, my friend. Just back off slowly, even though it's too late. You've already committed an offence under the Criminal Code of Southern Nigeria by threatening a person's life, even if online. This is also an offence in the Australia, Sudan, the UK and the US, so if our enquiries reveal you to be in any of these jurisdictions, the long arm of the law will certainly catch up with you.

"It" lives in the US.

^
No, the real Northerners (as you put it) won't. They are every bit as sensible and patriotic as Southerners, they can see how much they are suffering after ruling for 38 of our 49 years and they are smart enough to ask what being in power has brought them; if it has benefited the same group of leaching individuals or has it ever benefited the wider North.

The only fight will come from the thieves and tribalistic scoundrels that have impoverished the North and held the rest of the country to ransome.

[size=14pt]Jonathan can contest in 2011- Northern govs •Zoning is unconstitutional - AGF [/size]
Written by Lanre Adewole and Hassan Ibrahim
Wednesday, 28 July 2010

THE Northern Governors’ Forum (NGF) in Kaduna, on Tuesday, could not take a stand on zoning as it earlier promised, but maintained that President Goodluck Jonathan had the constitutional right to contest in 2011 while consultation on the issue will continue.

The Forum maintained that the issue of zoning was purely a PDP affair and encouraged the continuation of healthy debate on the issue in the interest of national unity and stability.

Amidst protest from youth groups in the North who were in support of the zoning arrangement so that power may remain in the North after 2011, the meeting, for the first time in many years, was attended by all the Northern state governors at the Sir Kashim Ibrahim House.

However, the deployment of heavily armed security men from the Operation Yaki in the Government House and other strategic parts of the state capital scared the youth and made it impossible for them to disrupt the meeting.

While reading the communiqué at the end of the meeting which lasted for over six hours, chairman of the NGF and governor of Niger State, Dr. Mu’azu Babangida Aliyu, said the special meeting of the governors was held sequel to the resolve made during their meeting on July 1, 2010 to allow members go back for wider consultations with stakeholders for the unity and progress of northern states within the context of a united Nigeria on zoning of the position of the president before eventually taking a position on the matter.

“The Northern Governors’ Forum, after collating the report from all the 19 Northern states and after exhaustive deliberations, recognises the following:

“The supremacy of the 1999 Constitution as encapsulated in section one. The provision of section 131 of 1999 Constitution, which states the qualification for election into the office of the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

“Arising from the above, therefore, the forum acknowledged the fact that the issue of zoning is a PDP affair, Therefore, in acknowledging the circumstances of force majure arising from the demise of the President Umaru Yar’Adua and subsequent ascendency of President Jonathan to the presidency, the forum resolves that wider consultations should continue at all party levels within the PDP with all stakeholders across the nation to address the concerns of all in the interest of peaceful coexistence and advancement of democracy in our dear country Nigeria.”

Prior to the meeting, a coalition of northern youth associations had said it would work against the political ambition of 19 northern governors once they decided against zoning at their meeting.

Leader of the coalition, Mr Ibrahim Wayya, told newsmen that they had already mobilised over 30,000 youths to storm the venue of the meeting.

The aggrieved youths warned that the northern governors should not sell the rights of the region to retain the presidency as was allegedly endorsed and ratified by the PDP in 2002.

Similarly, president of the Civil Rights Congress (CRC), Mallam Shehu Sani, urged the 19 northern governors to insist on the application of the principle of zoning and power rotation in the emergence of Nigeria’s president in 2011.

Sani told newsmen that although power rotation was not constitutional, the arrangement had served to ensure that other parts of the country were not margina-lised.

He said that at the meeting, they would take responses from the states and expressed belief that they would be bound by the people’s view on the matter.

Governor Aliyu said while they should respect the fundamental rights of people to hold and express opinions, they should always put the interest and future of the nation first in everything.

He said to many of them, the issue was not simply the issue of rotation/zoning as was being hyped but, rather, the issue of integrity, honesty and discipline.

Textiles workers, led by their General-Secretary, Issa Aremu, on the occasion, said whatever the outcome of the meeting on zoning, the challenge of the region was development.

The North, he said, was not short of governors, having 19 out of the 36 governors in the federation, but what it needed was development, jobs, quality education and quality of life.

Meanwhile, the Attorney-General of the Federation and Minister of Justice, Mr Mohammed Bello Adoke, in Abuja, on Tuesday, said zoning arrangement was unknown to the law of the land.

Speaking at a roundtable on the 2011 elections in Abuja, Adoke said zoning was unconstitutional and warned that those sponsoring it should stop overheating the polity.

Also at the event, the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC), said the May 29, 2011 handover date and elections timetable remained unchanged.

INEC boss, Professor Attahiru Jega, at the event, said the commission had not asked the National Assembly to shift the handover date, adding that the constitution would remain its guide.

In a keynote address at the roundtable on the 2011 elections, with the theme Imperatives and Challenges for credible elections, organised by the Emmanuel Ukala Centre for Democracy and Electoral Process and the Nigerian Institute of Advanced Legal Studies in Abuja, Adoke advocated internal democracy in political parties in choosing their candidates in an election.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/front-page-news/8863-jonathan-can-contest-in-2011-northern-govs-zoning-is-unconstitutional-agf

homerac7:
hmmm, ,

i am wonden y a lot of ppl here xpect us to stockpile so mch ammos dt we dont and maynt need. y will som ppl compare our security needs wt iran, korea, SA, UK, US, india, pakistan, heaven , hell, everywhere everywhere? who r we at hostility with? what is d level of security threat around us? wht justification wld there b for nigeria to build and aquire AWACs, carriers, nukes, hell-fire-hades-gahena-bla-bla weapons?
is it commensurate wt real threats around us? so wht is it wt d daydream dt we possess d state of d arts arsenal, u thnk dey come cheap? hav u ever wonderd if d super-military nations ever envy our lower level of threat?

my ppl, answer to d above question will shw y nigeria may not be in haste to develop or acquire d super hi-techs, bt d most important thn is ability to adapt to new level or types of threat. today we can effectivly contain any aggression around us, bt if our aggresssors get to b d war weary egypt or south africa, then, d armament strategy will definitely change. remember hw d south eastern nigerians built an arms industry during d civil war? dt tells u hw a ppl can adapt to new security situations.

[p]d present order is on improvement. response time is good for any set-up around us. i remember d pix of puma attack chopper d poster pasted, dts good, i only wish he added d Apaches we also fly. they r d most powerful rotor wing combat aircraft anywhere in d world. most of d responses criticise d jets, some years back we actually sold off many of those Alphas and Jaguars, thou we still fly some of them, we hav a current mix wt F-16s. so i hope those cryin for F-14 hornets can feel better now. [/b]

d whole idea is about taking care of real available threats and lettn d politicians manage d foreign relations. it is quite expensive to manage a sophisticated military, u jst mak som sacrifices to avoid d need for sudden higher transition. moreover, d country has other departmental needs apart from d military, so lets make do wt what we hav or else we shall relapse into unnecessary debts due to excessive (in most times unnecessary and avoidable) military spendings.

to all my postiv guys in d house, i salute u. d disappointed ones, we shall get there.

lordangers, God bless u for your objectiv posts. Paddy Lo, u will always b my guy.

ciao!

The bolded is really funny. Which of our rusty World War II castaways are you mistaking for apache's and F-16's?
The World must be coming to an end!!!!

A countries military is always a measure of their technological height. We should be thinking of how to acquire and produce the very best, instead of flattering the glorified tractors on display here.

bidemi12:
Ol boy, e no easy. Na God save me. Come and see bullets whizzing on a daily basis. But my mental and physical training prevail. I arrive come see say una bondage never over. Na wa oh. God to go do something eventually.

You no fit catch Bin Laden and you're talking about bullets whizzing!!! You no fit do as dem de do for film?
Abeg, throw one al-qaeda come, make we lynch am jare!

Gbawe:
Na lie !!! Please resurrect the thread right now or forever remain discredited. I am a happy guy and I don't go around looking for enemies. Nonetheless, I have , over the years , come to realise that a lot of Nigerians can only validate their intelligence/importance/happiness as an exponent of [b]beaf[/b]ing with others needlessly. I see it on the ground everyday , even from folks who are paid to serve, with the casual rudeness that is totally uncalled for .

You are a classic example of that. I am sure you chose the user name of Beaf because , literally, you enjoy belligerence.

Seriously, your temper is too hot, that is why we have problems. You're always like someone that wifey has given a real roasting. . . Or do you live in an area plagued by traffic jams and exhaust fumes? Because its like you maybe, return from the office already very angry and then unleash the days frustration on any NL dissent. . . I'm just trying to help sha.

Your temper is a major weakness, think about it.

bidemi12:
All those suprised at this new twist raise your hands.

Bro, have they freed you from Afghanistan?
Welcome back.

[quote author=metal-gong link=topic=486076.msg6461606#msg6461606 date=1280268121]I really support this Osun PDP resolution. Most people might find it difficult to understand why Osun PDP took this decision, but they should have noticed that highest looters amongst Nigerian elected officials are the ones that were poor before their journey into Naija politics.[/quote]Fail.
Tinubu was rich before politics. The Kalu's have always been stinking rich. . . I could go on and on.

Gbawe:
This is why I will probably ignore you in future. You are a shameless liar and distortionist far more interested in defaming the character of others falsely rather than discussing the issue at hand honestly and candidly . Your style of writing is entirely based on 'identifying' enemies and , regardless of whether they write correctly or not , chasing them around with the paramount aim of deliberately misinterpreting what they write to discredit them.

Anyone who has time can go back to the first page of this thread to see that I never supported a man I considered a vile paedophile. !!!

Below is what I wrote on page 1 of this thread in reply to your drivel. Only a bigot like you would want to whip up ethnic sentiments with the insinuation that I support Yerima when my writing clearly shows otherwise:

Your greatest weakness is your hot temper. You once told me I was your enemy for life over NL stuff, so no surprises. NL is an anonymouse place. You don't even know if I'm the neigbour you regularly have a beer with. Dis NL sef!

Stop sounding ridiculous.

Wyclef has been very involved in uplifting Haiti. He has given so much of his time, sweat and money to various causes, a truly exemplary man!
He is one of the rare people that are truly human. I remember he was among those who gave up his time, flew to Haiti after the quake and engaged himself rescuing folk, digging up bodies and burying the dead with his bare hands.

He will be a very worthy leader of Haiti if given the chance.

Gbawe:
My brother, you are the confused one . Jonathan has no appreciable political base he has developed by himself through a sagacious political career . The man has , at best , a mediocre record as a political leader. He has done nothing of note his entire career. Even now when ultra-superb performance is required Jonathan prefers to talk while doing zilch . Instead  he is disgracefully and desperately courting the support of the most ruinous hands in Nigeria and those who were his sworn enemies only yesterday (Aondoakaa) in a shameless attempt to remain President come 2011.

Soon you will see that it is you who is confused with how you are trying to fool folks to believe Jonathan has 'wide' backings when common sense and events on the ground show that unpopular, unfancied and poor-performing Jonathan will have to virtually mortgage all of Nigeria's current and future earnings to political vultures if he is to win in 2011. I don't expect that to concern someone like you. It is obvious that supporting your kinsman , to include turning a blind eye to his numerous actions that show he will be a future disaster, is paramount above anything else.

So you see your hero, Dukes chances as unrealistic yet, you want to (in your words), "settle for someone acceptable to the system who will represent the type of expedient progress that will ensure that the likes of Donald Duke and Gov Fashola have a realistic chance of leading Nigeria in future when the rancour of zoning is not so acidic and bitter as it is now".

If you consider everything in the admirable statement above, write each point on a peace of paper and the factors required to attain it, you'll soon realise how confused your position is. Thats why, yesterday you supportted Yerima, today its Duke and tomorrow it might be IBB or Atiku.

Maple:
@Mikeansy
He will not make a good politician you mean?
Well, what this country needs and has been craving for, is a combative leader, a man of action who would wear his heart on his sleeve to put our country in order. Nuhu Ribadu is the right man!

We have had combative leaders in the form of military men. They have ruled us for decades and been serial failures. All they have achieved is making the average Nigerian low self esteemed and as aggressive as a guard dog. We definitely don't need any more combative leaders.

The good things going for Ribadu are his drive, honesty and ability to reach out.

Amitex:
UNFORUNATELY AC AND THE OTHER OPPOSITION PARTIES ARE NOT ON GROUND. WHILE THEY ARE BUSY SHOUTING ON RADIO & PERFORMING PERMUTATIONS & COMBINATIONS ON THE NET, PDP IS WORKING ON THE GROUND, MOBILISING THE MASSES. THE REAL VOTERS ARE IN THE VILLAGES. THEY DO NOT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS. THE PDP MACHINERY ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE FOOT SOLDIERS. THESE ARE THE VOTE WINNERS, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU WILL SEE AT THE POLLING BOOTHS, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL WAIT TO HAVE THE VOTES COUNTED. LET THE ACs, ADs, ANPPs, ARPs, ETC. BEGIN TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK NOW. NOT WHEN THE VOTES ARE COUNTED THEY WILL BEGIN TO SHOUT THAT THE ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED. THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING EVERYTHING SO FAR POSSIBLE TO BEQUEATH ON NIGERIA A CREDIBLE POLLS. LET THE OPPOSITION ARISE AND WORK FOR VICTORY AND STOP THIS PERMUTATIONS & COMBINATIONS!

I'm sure you will soon learn the joys of typing without touching the caps lock button.

pro01:
Tinubu seems to be richer than the mythical Croesus. Forget the unknown investments and foreign banked loot. Think about Alpha Beta, Oriental Hotel Lekki, Hitech Construction and the Lekki Concession Company (LCC). We don't need shamans to reveal to us that Tinubu OWNS these maaad money spinners. Ladies & gentlemen: this man has effectively become a dollar billionaire under our very noses! Isn't it rather curious, then, that the media and Yoruba activists (on NL and elsewhere) would rather focus their hypocrisy on - and shout themselves hoarse - over folks like Ibori - while conveniently turning a blind eye to the leviathan that the likes of Tinubu have become. This is very strange indeed.

Tell them! Delta state people have already submitted the untouchable Ibori, while Tinubu robs Lagos blind.
. . .From drug collaborator to owner of Lagos. A thief is a thief.

Gbawe:
For now , rather than go for what is unrealistic (Duke), we should settle for someone acceptable to the system who will represent the type of expedient progress that will ensure that the likes of Donald Duke and Gov Fashola have a realistic chance of leading Nigeria in future when the rancour of zoning is not so acidic and bitter as it is now. In 2015 , with what we are going through now, no one will be talking about zoning if the likes of Duke and Fashola decide to run. Even as I detest zoning, As things stand , I think it is too late to try and abolish it because those who shape events in Nigeria (certainly not the voters) may have made up their minds in favour of it despite insincere noise that will lead naive and desperate Jonathan to make many duplicitous Nigerians billionaires overnight.

You are still confused, but I see you are growing some understanding of how to operate in practical ways. You will slowly come round to reason and see the proper steps needed to redeem this country.

precap2:
I think you're your brothers' keeper truly. How can you gain access to credit when you're doing badly and unable to payback what you owed, and yet unable to stick with policies that would ensure steady growth. The IMF/WB can't lend to a degenerating economy. No one can put money where it would sink

But hey! I want to quit this Zim wahala and sound like nice guy that I always am

Holla!

You are getting it wrong. To trade, you need both local and foreign banks. If foreign govts pressure their banks and international institutions to boycott your trade, that will surely "degenerate" any economy; that is what the West did to Zim, so they changed to the enemy currency, turned their backs and went East.

Talking about Zim from the "other side" doesn't make you nasty. Anyways, nice talking to you.

However, analysts and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) say Zimbabwe’s economic recovery remains fragile because of the government’s heavy dependence on imports at a time the country does not have access to balance-of-payments support.

The IMF and other multi-lateral lenders have refused to provide fresh loans until Harare clears outstanding debts, while rich Western nations are also reluctant to fund the administration, insisting it first steps up the pace of democratic reforms, do more to uphold human rights and the rule of law.

http://www.zimonline.co.za/Article.aspx?ArticleId=6235

No country can trade without credit. . . The above is the real reason why Zim went into a spiral. Zim can now get credit to trade from the East.

precap2:
. . .
I don't think that either world bank or IMF has any good report about Zim's growth, but if you have link, let me read from it. growth forecast is estimated at around 4.5 percent by year-end.
. . .

Lets start with this.

IMF: In 2009, following a decade of economic decline and hyperinflation during 2007–08, policies improved significantly. The multi-currency system adopted in early 2009 helped restore price stability, restart financial intermediation, and impose fiscal discipline by precluding the option of budget deficit monetization. Budget revenue increased significantly, which helped finance improved delivery of public services, while the fiscal position was broadly balanced. Price and exchange system liberalization improved allocation of resources and availability of goods in the domestic markets. In response to better policies, short-term capital inflows and FDI increased in 2009. All these positive steps have supported a nascent economic recovery.

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2010/pr10107.htm