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xterra2:
i keep seeing @OP at the first page
Who is OP?i cant see a person with that name?
What is the meanining of "op"

[b]O[/b]riginal [b]p[/b]oster.

mrjingles:
u guyz are missing the bleeping point! How are we sure the man did not just escape an assassination attempt that was supposed to look like an accident? With the current "zoning" brouhaha some losers may have decided to"remove" GL from the equation- Permanently!

I mean this is the PRESIDENTIAL PHUCKING JET! NIGERIA IS NOT THAT BAD THAT THE JET WOULD NOT BE MAINTAINED!

You have a serious point there. But lets wait to hear from security services before reaching for such serious explanations.

precap2:
Does he have the knowledge required to pilot a country? It's one thing to be a music hero and another to lead a country.

Holla!

Such knowledge to rule can only come from participating actively in his countries affairs and Wyclef really stands out as far as that is concerned.

I don't agree with the "OFR" awards.

. . .I understand your passion for Jonathan but I know in your heart you must admit that his leadership abilities is no where up to standard. He is simply a Souther version of Yar'adua.

So Jonathan's vission for the country was laid 3years ago, I thought you said he has been in office for only 2 months? You can not continue being selective over when he started being in office. Fine let us agree that his vission for Nigeria was laid 3 years ago as he has always been in the Yar'adua Presidency. Hence it will also be fair to judge him based on the progress of this Government in the last 3years? Then my verdict is that this government is of no use to anyone hence Jonathan should go and rest in 2011. Yar'adua had no vission and we called him a vissionless President. If what you are saying is that Jonathan considers it ok to continue Yar'adua's visionaless leadership then he has no business running this country any longer than 2011.

We want a new leadership who know what they are doing.

Believe me, you don't.

Yes Jonathan's vision for this term was laid 3+ years ago. He came in on Yar Adua's manifesto and I've never heard of any politician making new manifesto's to complete a 4 year term after 3+ years. You can only judge him on how far he has taken Yar Adua's manifesto in the 2+ months he has been president; except you are happy to pluck any reason, no matter how long a stretch it is.

I am a bit dissapointed, because I had expected a solid list, but it is clear that none is forthcoming.

udezue:
Sorry to say but many SS ppl who are unfortunately our people reason like complete morons. You speak about your alliance with the North yet you complain that you are the most neglected. I see how their alliance have improved their region and saved lives. lol. Ogoni ppl and Ijaw ppl in Bayelsa and Delta please come tell us.

The real Ijaw need to silence the fools within their community coz they make em looks silly.

That is true, but they are really only engaging in the dirtier aspects of politics. You will find that they are the very same people screwing up zoning too. Its very ugly and annoying politics, but the most important thing is that the only tangible overtures, are the ones made by Jonathan personally to NdIgbo.

Jonathan has identified very closely with Igbo land in ways that cannot be ignored, I am quite sure like most of us, he would want to see an end to marginalisation and the return of full engagement of the Igbo in the affairs of the country. It is a space worth watching, I believe the South East is getting even more attention from Jonathan than the South South.

mikeansy:
The longest list of failure is having nothing to show.

What has he done in the last 6 months from Acting President to Substantive President? (What did he do as Vice President)

Tell us what he has done or where he is heading.

Remember I said many times that he has failed to demonstrate that he is a true LEADER. So my sense is, in order to counter that Argument you will provide evidence of what he has done or the direction he wants to take the country to.

Where is his Leadership on anything?

Where is his leadership on electoral reform? After replacing Iwu for Jega knowing the short time left before the next election, has he given the Nation any clear direction on how or what we need to do to achieve credible election next year? Knowing that Jega is yet to settle where is his leadership and direction in supporting his new INEC to start a programme or some kind of identity system in the run up to the next election or any alternative whatsoever. Now Jega is telling us they will use Maurice Iwu's electoral register for the election.

Where is his leadership on Electricity Infrastructure, what has he done differently. Is the issue of resolving power crisis moving any faster than it was under Yar'adua?


Where is his leadership on Anti-Corruption? How is it possible to set Ribadu free on the grounds that he was being unjustly molested by EFCC under Waziri and yet Farida Waziri was among those given award recently?
We all know why Ibori came under police fire that he chose to run to Dubai and then got caught by INTERPOL who will now extradite him to London. While Alams is now an emerging Kingmaker. One has pledged his support for Jonathan's ambition while the other has not.
We also know why Tmipre Silva's finance Commissioner is no longer corrupt, Silva has finally pledged his loyalty to Jonathan's ambition.

We also know why Ogbulafor was stampeded to resign over an allegation of $1.5m corruption during OBJ Government  while his replacement was involved in an allegation of $213m allegation with 2 other people. The simple reason is Ogbulafor said power has been zoned to the North.
Also keep in mind that Ogbulafor's 1.5m dollar allegation is not any more recent than Mrs Patience Goodluck Jonathan's £1m allegation.


Look there is nothing wrong in having an ambition. But Jonathan has not outlined his vission for the future of Nigeria. He has not told us what direction he wants to take the country to or whether he knows of any. All he is doing is sitting out his time in Government, saying nothing, not leading, using mafiosi tactics to out muscle his opponents. That for me are signs of trouble because he does not seem to have a purpose of wanting power. He just wants to be President for the sake of being President.

He has not been able to lead nor has he shown that he has the capacity to lead. One Week is too long to access if a President has the capacity to lead or if you like has LEADERSHIP POTENTIAL. Leadership is all about guardiance and direction. Jonathan has not shown he is able to lead Nigeria.

We have wasted enough time in this country, after 50years of Nationhood we should be striving to get it right.

Most of what you are blaming Jonathan for, are things outside his purview. There are checks and balances on power, even in our false federal govt.
For example, Jega and his decisions are totally out of Uncle Joe's control; in fact there would be no end to the very justified outcry, if Jonathan was seen to be manipulating Jega whether for good or for bad, so lets chuck that one in the bin.

As far as electricity is concerned, there have been tremendous improvements in supply and there are fundamental reorganisations taking place across the board, from NNPC to PHCN's privatisation, new gas pipelines, refurbishments etc.

As for Bayelsa politics, that should end at Timipre's gate. Jonathan is the president of the country, not Bayelsa. If he was only concerned about Bayelsa, there would have been a justified outcry (same as there was about Yar Adua's appointments of Katsina people). Let Timipre handle alams, otherwise, we will end up accused and guilty of promoting tribal politics (one of the ugly ills we wish to abolish).

I'm sure if anyone is anxious about Mrs Patience Goodluck, they can press for her closed case to be reopened. I don't have the facts (neither do you), but I'm sure she isn't a PDP official like Ogbulafor. All we know is that the case was closed, so she stands innocent until proven guilty, thats our law.

You are asking that Jonathan lays out his vision for the country. . . Ain't you forgetting that he is completing Yar Adua's term? That vision was laid out 3+ years ago. . .
If you want another vision from Jonathan, you are really asking for a campaign manifesto and he has not oficially declared any intentions.

EzeUche:
Who is boasting about that ugly past?

This thread was designed to promote a few things: First, the East has been interconnected a while. Great powers once ruled the East, and the resistance this kingdom did against colonialism. Even though we lost, I am still proud of the fight my people put up against British colonialism. That is what makes my people GREAT!

The Ashanti provided stiff resistance against the British. The Dahomey provided stiff resistance against the French. That is why we give them praise!

But when it comes to the Aro Confederacy, the history books are silent.

. . .Next thing you would claim Germany should be proud of her Nazi past. Slavery is a shame to each and every one of us, no justifications. Period.
If you are looking for good stories about your people, rather than hyping slave raiding; how about expanding on infinitely more sensible and inspiring words like these?

Andrew Uweh: I am not an Aro man but let's give credit and honour to whom honour is due.
It was Aro who fearlessly rtesisted British occupation of Eastern Nigeria.
It was Aro sons who like Mbonu Ojike, Mbadiwe, Alvan Ikokwu etc who fought for the liberation of Nigeria from colonial masters.
NDI ARO, UDO DIRI UNU.

EzeUche:
Why run away from our history? Do the Ashanti run away from their history? Do the Dahomey run away from their history?

Why can't I be proud of my heritage? This is just a history lesson.

Did my ancestors know what would happen to the captives once they left our land? No! Remember slavery was different in Africa than in the Americas. How would they have known the horrors of the Middle Passage?

The Ashanti's have made atonement and surely aren't beating their chests foolishly as the greatest slave traders;

The Fihankra movement, initiated in 1994, has
established a township on 30,000 acres of “free” land in the Eastern region of Ghana for African diasporan
“returnees.” The settlement was a culmination of a series of sacred rituals of atonement and reconciliation for
the central role that some Ghanaian traditional rulers played in the transatlantic slave trade. It is, as far as I
know, the only documented instance wherein the demand for slavery reparations has been met with
compensation.

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/3/7/2/9/8/p372989_index.html

The fihankra website is down, otherwise, I would have posted the link here.

We need to compensate those we sold, rather than boast stupidly about it.

The slave trade is a very dark blot on African history. This topic is to be condemned.

lordangers:
wooooah whats all this about F-16's and Apache's?
About the J-7's, it came out about 2/3 decades after WW2 and production was only halted in 2008. It has seen sucsessful service in Africa with Zimbabwe (It's involvement in the 2nd Congo war) and with Tanzania (Ugandan-Tanzanian war in stopping Libyan Tu-22's). Only three air forces in the world have given them up and stopped using them altogether. Mozambique, because of it's civil war and being unable to maintain them. Iraq because of how it was beaten and Albania because it didnt see the need to maintain the size of it's armed forces. Nigeria has bought 15 modern versions of the jet (3 appear to be advanced trainers). They aint bad and Nigeria doesnt really have an air force to contend with in the region? You dont really need interceptors in peace-keeping missions and these are replacing older versions of the Mig-21 which is a sign of progression.

As for the rest of the Nigerian air force, well other fighters are sitting on the ground and will probebly be taken out altogether soon, you have plenty of light attack aircraft such as Aermacchi MB-339 (12) and even your nearest rivals (Cameroon) jets are your trainers as the Alpha Jet (24). Theres between 100-200 basic trainers, well over a dozen heavy transports. Your helicopters are found in a few modern armies such as Europe, Russia and the US. And theres well over 50+. Now where does Nigeria need F-16's? If they've got them then thats well ok. A bit unessasery but whatever. Anyway Nigeria if the big daddy in the region. Even if you brought all the air forces in West Africa together they could match this or come anywhere close.

The Chengdu F7 is a glorified MIG-21. . .And MIG-21 entered service in 1959!!! WWII tech.
Why can't we have MIG-35 equivalents, if since the 70's we have had MIG 21's? If cost is the problem, we can buy advanced aircraft from South Africa, Pakistan, India etc. We don't need planes that start with "car keys" in this high tech day and age. How long will we defend this backwardness?

I am glad you mentioned Iraq and how their airforce was taken to the cleaners in less than two days. We are an oil producing nation like Iraq, there is no example more apt of why we need a modern airfoce, navy and army. lets stop hailing the crap weapons our men risk their lives with. We owe them much more.

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It takes several issues to hang a man otherwise, we end up looking like our decisions are hastily taken. The NFA thing is very far from over, we need a concrete list of Jonathans failures in his short time of service. After we get such a list, we can then contrast it with a list of successes and weigh the balance. Just insisting that Jonathan is not fit doesn't cut it, there must be very solid reasons provided.

Gbawe:
Not true. I consider Jonathan a dangerous gamble because he is another selected and clueless leader who never deliberately or meritoriously prepared to be President of Nigeria. We all know why he was chosen to be VP to Yardy. His mediocre history as a politician , same as Yar Adua's poor record as Governor, should be ample warning to Nigerians that we are about to gain another highly compromised and clueless stooge in the mould of Yardy.

Jonathan is only trying to hang on to a position that fate has unfairly promoted him into because of how power is intoxicating same as seriously ill Yar Adua tried to remain President even as he should have been tending to his fragile health in retirement  . We have had enough of accidental leaders foisted on us by selfish interest groups .  We want performers who , one way or the other , have shown Nigerians that they can serve our nation well.

Are you not fed up of OBJ and Yar Adua-type leaders who emerge as the candidates of small interest groups whose agenda always happen to run contrary to the considerations needed for the development of Nigeria? What has Jonathan ever done as a politician to warrant Nigerians gambling on his candidacy at this stage in our history when silly gambles by a select few (OBJ and Yar Adua) has cost the majority of us so much?

If some of us are not speaking out of ethnic jingoism then it will be obvious that Jonathan is a very poor choice , not worth supporting, in comparison to Donald Duke, Nuhu Ribadu, Ken Nnamani, et al . I am not interested in wether my region of origin ever Produce another Nigerian President till I die. I simply want, given Nigeria's peculiar need at the time, the best men and women to get the job of leading Nigeria. No more untested unknowns like Yar Adua.

Seriously Gbawe, the above doesn't seem much different from the conclusion I reached, that;

It is easy to gather from Gbawe's many lengthily worded missives that his only grouse against Jonathan is the fact that he came from nowhere and without building any "political machinery", rose to become President. . .

As to the part I bolded, in order to achieve our desire for credible leadership, there has to be some sort of plan or framework that we need to follow, outside which our exertions would be wasted in the deliberate chaos that is our political terrain. Rooting for folk who's candidature is more fairytale than real, does not sound like much of a plan; it certainly isn't practical.

What we need at this time is to very clearly identify the frameworks, institutions and traditions holding us down and then, eyes open, chart a course that cuts right through the chaos and inertia. we can easily build such a list here.

. . .
I will only give you and Beaf one example (others can supply more if they want). Jonathan withdrew Nigeria from International participation in football events. We all applauded because we thought the cabal will be dismantled and competent hands will be brought in to salvage our football.
. . .

This issue is very very far from being concluded. If this is your only grouse, then its really not even a starting point to be anti-Jonathan.
There are ungoing probes, resignations, appointments etc; so just be patient.
Jonathan has been incredibly busy in his short 2+ months as president, a list of the things he has done (from reorganisation of NNPC to actions in the power sector, foreign image repairs etc) will take pages to compile, so please forget about non-events like the NFA ungoing reorginisation.

. . .I'll wait for the rest of your list of Jonathan failures.

Something is being missed here. I really doesn't matter whether these poor folk are in Lagos or Kano or Port Harcourt.
Tribalism is blocking our sense of reason, so much so that we cannot see that those slums are a nationwide problem.

A recent UN statement say's 70% of Nigerians live in slums. . .

When will we ever learn to rise above tribal instinct and see the bigger picture? tribalism is ok for the regular !diots like tpia, but how can so many good folk find themselves dragged down that path? Ah Nigeria! Na wa!

[quote author=na_so link=topic=485491.msg6465105#msg6465105 date=1280318938]@mikeansy

please in very clear terms list the sins of jonathan. we learn everyday.[/quote]I am very interested in that list too!
I will be interested to hear any reasons why, a man who has been president for barely 2 months, is facing such withering attacks. What are the things you expect him to have delivered in this 2+ months that he is failing at and what are the things he was not expected to touch in his 2+ months that he's become involved with?

It is easy to gather from Gbawe's many lengthily worded missives that his only grouse against Jonathan is the fact that he came from nowhere and without building any "political machinery", rose to become President. . . It all seems too wishy and unreal; I understand, these are not mikeansy's reasons, but would like to hear some solid reasons, listed in very clear terms, that delineate from Gbawe's.

@Gbawe
Please correct me, if my conclusions are wrong.

asscend:
The British Prime Minister is the chief minister. He is not the head of state thats why he does not have a dedicated jet.

The queen is head of state and doesn't have a private jet. We should really be thinking of cutting down on perks our leaders get. Have you heard how many million a senator takes home monthly? It is gross.
Yar Adua travelled to Saudi, because we have no worthy hospitals (the few we have look like unkempt mechanic workshops).

To me Akpe sounds more Yoruba than Igbo or maybe from Edo / Delta; the thing is being a thief, i wouldn't be surprised if his real name is Mustapha Ahmed or Olatunbosun Fagbamigbe. . . It could be anything.

Bluetooth, you need to change from this default tribalistic behaviour, it is absolutely Neanderthal; whereas half the time, you come across as a guy who could be really decent.

Let's remember the dead and those who suffered other losses.

^
Carry your fear go anoda place jare!
There is nothing like "the North", it doesn't exist; just as much as "the South" doesn't exist. The politics of the day keeps showing it over and over, the hostilities in Plateau and Adamawa keep emphasising it, the Middle Belt keeps screaming that they have been conned and cheated. . .

IBB is more likely to end up in jail, than he is to becoming a presidential candidate, talkless of president.

This is our flagship plane, the Chengdu J-7
We've only just recently ordered them, by the way. I don't know if they've been delivered yet. We love anything that is tokunbo.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Pakistani_Chengdu_J-7.JPG/800px-Pakistani_Chengdu_J-7.JPG

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. . .F-16's and Apache's my foot!

Our best jet fighters are based on a plane that came out shortly after WWII (15 Chengdu F-7s from China). Our best attack helicopter is the Hind (Russian, Apache is American).
This is our airforce website. Its packed with assorted junk and planes that look like bicycles, what a disgrace! You can view it here http://www.nigerianairforce.net/Default.aspx

You're just getting the "F's" twisted and promoting our ultra lowtech hand me downs to modern F-16 fighters. . . Serious over promotion! The General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon is from the USA, while the Chengdu F-7 is a Chinese plane based on 1950's and 60's technology (thats the best we have  ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7

This is an F-16. Where have you ever seen such a plane anywhere near Nigeria?

[quote author=na_so]. . .I somehow suspect that the north may throw a last dice by bringing someone like Danjuma goje or try to pull the rug off GEJ's feet by tempting Namadi sambo to declare and get the backing of the north. I might be wrong. i hope i am.[/quote]The old North see's Namadi Sambo almost as a mortal enemy, they won't be pushing him. In any event, he won't play ball.

^
Tell them jare!
My only disagreement is about Ribadu. I believe his time is not due, but that he will make an excellent president.

The empire is falling. . .
If you steal Delta states money, your rope will be short.

[size=14pt]Monarch deposes Ibori’s brother[/size]
National News Jul 27, 2010 Share | By Akpokona Omafuaire

OGHARA—HIS Royal Majesty, Oreki II, the Ovie of Oghara Kingdom, yesterday derobed the former Unugbrogodo of Oghara Kingdom, William Ibori, elder brother of Chief James Ibori, former Governor of Delta State, as an Okakuro (Chief) of Oghara Kingdom.
This position was contained in a letter yesterday, addressed to Ibori by the King, at a media briefing in  his Palace at Oghara.

It said, “by the powers vested on me as the Ovie of Oghara Kingdom, I hereby divest you of the position of a Chief (Okakuro) in Oghara Kingdom with immediate effect. This is as a result of your gross acts of disloyalty and disrespect to me and the traditional institution I represent.”

“Furthermore, you unlawfully installed 48 persons as chiefs  in Ogharefe. On two occasions, you were summoned by the respected traditional rulers of the 23 Kingdoms in Urhoboland to defend yourself, but you chose to snub the royal fathers.

“Please desist forthwith from addressing yourself as a Chief of Oghara Kingdom. Also, you should stop wearing any of the insignia/regalia of a Chief of Oghara Kingdom. All relevant institutions and security agencies have been duly advised of this position.They include the State Security Service,  Oghara, the Commandment, Squadron 51, Mopol, the Flag Officer Commanding, Logistics Command, Nigerian Navy, the Council of Chiefs and Elders,  among others,” he said.

Vanguard gathered that Chiefs from Oghareki led by Chief Samuel Erubami reported to the Oghara Monarch the activities of Ibori after advice to exercise restraint in his operation to him fell on deaf ears.
Ibori could not be reached for comments as at press time.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/07/27/monarch-deposes-iboris-brother/

There are reports that the robbers were armed with bombs and missiles by the fake paper, Compass. I don't believe it, but can anyone confirm?

babapupa:
U don run out of Akala news?

lol @ delta swamp dweller and yeye tears,

We welcome the Lastma officer and his usual foolishness!

adconline:
You should have asked yourself these questions!!
The more you talk, the more you expose your idiocy. How did you and Papbrowne conclude that  Delt State has got the best teaching hospital in Africa? Who made you an authority to call it the best hospital? In this context, the word best comes after a competition, comparison,exam, ranking etc. You alluded to Papabrowne challenging the hospital ranking I posted without  providing a contrary web link to support your claim that Delta state has got the best hospital in Africa. Your argument is absurd. A methodology was used in ranking of the hospitals acording to the website while you are yet to show me  any hospital ranking that puts Delta state on African map.

When did I ever tell you the bolded. Charlie, honesty is a virtue.

I have not made any claims about the hospital, rather I have very correctly said that your ranking claims are absolute rubbish. And they remain rubbish, until you can make a sensible comparison as Pharoh did, instead of telling me African hospitals have some sort of exam to pass to be ranked. Ridiculous.

Its a time of dreams!

Goodluck Jonathan is a quiet operator. It is high time the govs were pegged down to size.

Meanwhile, the Attorney-General of the Federation and Minister of Justice, Mr Mohammed Bello Adoke, in Abuja, on Tuesday, said zoning arrangement was unknown to the law of the land.

Speaking at a roundtable on the 2011 elections in Abuja, Adoke said zoning was unconstitutional and warned that those sponsoring it should stop overheating the polity.

This is one crucial point the discussion has missed so far. It will come in handy in any future law suit.

[quote author=Aloy_Emeka link=topic=486699.msg6462317#msg6462317 date=1280280451]Are you scared for Ezeuche?[/quote][quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=486699.msg6462330#msg6462330 date=1280280843]More like searching for his name[/quote]Kai, my broda don sofa!!!!

[quote author=invisible! link=topic=486498.msg6461467#msg6461467 date=1280266991]Sorry you woke up too soon, in that inauguration he was sprayed with bullets at the end of the ceremony, just don't dream again or a stray bullet might get you.[/quote]Una go wound pesin o!
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