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The name "Palestine" is the cognate of an ancient word meaning "Philistines" or "Land of the Philistines".

frosbel:
you are entitled to your opinion

MyJoe:
Nobody said their neighbours relied on them. They were behind South Africa in food production but well ahead of the likes of Zambia, Malawi, Namibia and other countries in the region, some of which still EXPORT food today. If you are not aware that Zimbabwe [size=14pt]used to EXPORT food[/size] then you missed an important fact. How, in any case, do you compare the situation that obtains today to being self-sufficient (as YOU twist it)? Anyway, I will leave you to continue your pursuit of this very crucial but overlooked detail now. I have already addressed the important issues on this thread in my response to Lwandle.

ARES:
From the posts so far, there are ex-diplomats, smart ppl and all that.what was so smart in swinging a stick at a man with a gun who knows that u are going to help his enemy,
@ beaf: let me ask u. If u are chilling in your house maybe in your villa and a group of vigillantees come banging on your door asking to search your house, And u know you are alone and u have nothing to hide, will u start by slapping them for trying to search your house hoping they won't beat u up because u are unarmed? There attack on the military men was preconcieved. They smart thing was not to swing knives at an armed soldier. Be it international waters or your private swimming pool. How many times have the Nigerian police stopped u on the way. Even when they are at fault did u bad mouth them not to talk of bring out a knife. If u have lived in a conflict zone u will know that everyone is scared and any form of agitation easily leeds to violence. Do u know how many times the humanitarian aid in Africa is confronted by rebels? They don't start any drama because they are bringing food to the suffering ppl. You have to be alive to give food and aid to others. If they actually wanted to help these ppl they won't go into a fight knowing that the aid may be seized.
Now that some are dead, others injured, hasn't the whole humanitarian idea been defeated because the content of that ship, be it food or cloths is not getting to any gazan. These guys where just out to push the boundry and see what will happen and in the process make a documentry.
Well like some posters said there were Americans and British in th ship, Yeah that is the more reason why you will have drama, They will be under the pretence that they know their rights and do something silly just to be on tv.

dayokanu:
Board any ship at your own peril, If Iran has the guts to board or hijack as Russian ship, let them go ahead. When at war, Nothing is left to logic.

That is the way the Israelis have been made to live and learn the hard way.

How you react to reasonable people is different from how you react to Palestinian Hamas, [/b]Hezballah and others.  If someone can strap bombs to pubescent kids and blow them up as martyrs then you should know we are dealing with someone where logical reasoning does not prevail


[b]Thats how you deal with people who are barbaric and insane. Check how Russia dealt with Chechen rebels at Beslan

frosbel:
Beaf I cannot begin to compete with you on Intelligence, you are too much for me.

But this article is looking at the news from a totally different angle.

For your info the [size=27pt]international waters [/size]where the so called 'peace activists' encountered Israel commandos is a declared war zone.

Only a FOOL will venture into a war zone and despite all warnings, continue regardless of the consequences to enter a [size=27pt]forbidden zone[/size].

Despite my sympathy for the Palestinians, they are held hostage by a venomous breed of rabid dogs called Hamas, who use every opportunity to demonise the Israelites. It is a know fact that many shipments to Hamas in the past have contained missile parts and systems, grenades and assorted assault weapons.

Israel is under siege, a nation about the same size as Wales, hated on every side, despised by millions and threatened with annihilation by that lunatic of Iran, and you expect them to sit with their legs in the air and sip some coffee.

MyJoe:
I think you are eminently misguided in your apprehension of the phrase as used in that context. But I see this sort of hair splitting is food around here. Have fun.

MyJoe:
All this fixation with the phrase “food basket” which has little to with the discussion? If I understand you correctly, what you saying is that a country that produces enough food to feed itself and to export does not qualify as a “food basket” in its region, or that you have to be ahead of the likes of South Africa to qualify. Ok.

In 1994 Mugabe was appointed an honorary Knight Grand Cross in the Order of the Bath by Queen Elizabeth II

dayokanu:
When dealing with the Gaza terrorists then you dont rationalise issues. Act or face the music

Especially when one of the organising groups is a known organisation that supports terror

Kgdavid:
the truth of the matter is that some people watch way too much press tv. israel acted illegaly but this is a matter of national security where it is a rule that the end justifies the means. why did the activists attack the soldiers? why?  you can say they had the right to but that does not explain why they had to. its one thing to repel thieves from entering your property but when you know you are faced by a force way more potentially deadly than you and without having anything to hide and knowing full well that your attack means the voyage is over which means that the people in Gaza will not get the aid, why would you attack them? what was the point they were trying to prove? that iron bars are stronger than bullets? or perhaps they were never really interested in getting any aid to Gaza but were on a mission to provoke israel into doing something rash?

dayokanu:
So who supplies the rockets or does Nasrallah himself supply it.

I am sure 10years ago it would be said that do females do suicide attacks, Do kids blow up themselves but when you are in Israel and you see all these things happening then No one is above suspicion

I heard an Israeli soldier was beaten and in critical condition? Is that deadly enough

dayokanu:
have you considered the Israeli view that they might be going to supply arms to Gaza. So they need to be inspected and make sure no arms is transported

If Sao Tome is at war with Nigeria and we suspect the flottila is supplying arms to Sao Tome

[size=14pt]Internationally renowned names were on board, among them activists, authors, film-makers, politicians and journalists from Europe, the Middle East, the US and Canada.[/size]

texazzpete:
Is it so hard to be truthful? Is your hatred for Israel so much that you resort to spreading FUD?

We see a video of the first wave of IDF commandos rappelling down to the ship. Guess which party attacked first?

You've been using false and misleading analogies all day long. To what end?

ZicoZico42:
Any body talking is defence of the so called aid ship is talking arrant nonsense. Israel should have sunk all the ships for all I care. Terrorrists posing as benefactors are trying to re-arm hamas after Israel has successfully depleted thier qassams and other weapons sent from iran. Israel is enjoying an uprecedented peace after operation cast lead, to allow another rearming of hamas would be a costly mistake. Any country which says they are too much should send the first missile to isreal.

Forty-one Britons detained after a raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla are expected to be deported "very quickly", the UK foreign secretary has said.

STOCKHOLM — Swedish crime writer Henning Mankell, author of the Wallander detective series, is one of nine Swedes held in Israel Monday after landing from a Gaza-bound aid flotilla attacked by Israeli commandos, Sweden's foreign ministry said.

Mankell "has been detained ,  In all, nine Swedes have been detained," ministry spokesman Anders Joerle told AFP, adding that they were not all being held at the same place and some had been imprisoned while others had simply been taken into custody.

"I think Henning Mankell is just being held in custody. I'm not sure. The Israelis have him in some kind of detention," he said.

Some of the Swedes had been very slightly injured, Joerle said, adding that some Swedes believed to have been travelling with the flotilla when it was attacked early Monday had yet to be reached.

The nine Swedes have reportedly been given the choice between accepting to be deported or to be tried in an Israeli court.

Earlier Monday evening, the foreign ministry countered a rumour set in motion at an anti-Israel demonstration in Oslo that Mankell had been shot in the attack, which left at least nine pro-Palestinian activists dead.

Israel faces mounting pressure, both abroad and at home, with members of the Israeli opposition raising questions about the legality of the operation.

Pharoh:
He can't do more than that, everything will calm down after a few days just like the dubai hit.

One Australian has been shot and four more are in Israeli detention after they were caught in a deadly clash over a humanitarian mission bound for Gaza.

The Australians were on board an aid flotilla trying to reach the Palestinian territory.

Nine people died when Israeli forces stormed the ships, sparking international condemnation. A 20-year-old Australian man has undergone surgery after being shot in the leg.

The incident has added further strain to the troubled relationship between Australia and Israel.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd spoke out against the violence and loss of life.

'The Australian government condemns any use of violence under the sorts of circumstances that we have seen,' he told reporters in Canberra.

'Furthermore, we are deeply concerned about the loss of life which has occurred.'

Mr Rudd called for Israel's blockade of Gaza to end.

Australia and Israel's usually cordial relations have become troubled with the attack on the aid convoy coming soon after the federal government expelled an Israeli diplomat.

The expulsion was in retaliation for Israel's use of forged Australian passports in an assassination in Dubai.

monkeyleg:
@Beaf,

I think you have said it all, so eloquently, that I do not really need to add more. People like wirinet make out that we are not from Delta state, and have no right to complain. I am just as you from Warri, lived and grew up there for the past 33yrs. And there is no way any one from Delta state can tell me that Ibori did well. The man is a bloody Thief and should be threated as such.

nearest:
What would have been a better way of diverting the ship since the captain refused to change course like the others did?

texazzpete:
I think you're deliberately misstating the situation. Storming the ships with commandos was not necessarily a bad call. Would you have preferred they landed aboard the ships with Boy scouts?
We've seen videos that show the commandos being mobbed and beaten with sticks and bars. I don't know if you know this but beatings with bars and clubs are not fun. We've seen the Israeli soldiers being assaulted by the civillians. That alone is enough to put the lie to the claims from the organizers that resistance would have just been to stand in the way of the captains quarters etc. The activists actively attacked the IDF soldiers.
Please review the video evidence.

There's still a lot to condemn in the actions of the IDF, but to absolve the activists of all blame and responsibility and to neglect the video evidence of their armed resistance  is a shocking case of bias.

texazzpete:
Funny enough, weren't you among the ranks of those that jubilated when MEND sailed to Lagos' Atlas Cove and opened fire, killing innocent Naval personnel and civillians alike?
Six civillans killed in that attack - no word of condemnation from you then. Only pure, unalloyed joy.

Tbag09:
well, i think its not about the weapon in the ship, the blood thirst soldiers are aggressive.why id they have to go in lethal force if they want peaceful interseption, the israeli dont have jurisdiction on international water so why did they have to break international law, israeli have to be control because it seems they dont fear anybody, its just all about them alone,
  one thing about OBAMA is that i think he dont have the power,pertainig to what he said "The president expressed deep regret at the loss of life in today's incident'' and that the prime minister should investigate, to investigate what??about the weapon??or the shooting, it seems he is aware of the interseption and regret of the life that was lost in the attack, had it been they are americans will he say the same thing, there is not justice, he should rebuke them if it is what it takes, they cant just break the law and go free!
  its not about th arab league, let us come together as one and make things right, live in GAZA is unfair, aint no future for this people, I PRAY FOR CHANGES!!!

Yefet:
[size=8pt][size=8pt][size=8pt][size=8pt]I LOVE ISRAEL[/size][/size][/size][/size]

If you dont know about this conflict go and get a copy of the Bible written thousands of years ago and you will understand where all this started and where it's headed too. only blind people talk with fear and blame!

Cockpitboy:
LOL

I'm not corrupt, I would have looted ONLY N10,000

Coz, i'd have loved to be a president in the sixties.

That'd have been mad money then though, 

How'bout you?

mbulela:
Beaf, how far now?
Where you dey since?
Aso rock or militant creek?
na our town o!
south-south!!

FL Gators:
Newspaper articles [b]do [/b]photoshop too, you know.

SEFAGO:
Obasanjo's head is photoshopped on top of that picture, thats why his neck is so dark. He does not have his characteristic fila, meaning he was prolly in a picture where he was just chilling. The food is also photo shopped onto Gbenga's mouth. Gbenga is probably talking to the person whose body was used

Osama10:
This IBB needs to check himself before he runs mad.