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AIRDIG:
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Daviddylan (#298 on: Yesterday at 06:10:15 PM) : lol where was i when this thread was being debated? David you're slacking big time . . .

Daviddylan (#328 on: Yesterday at 07:37:04 PM ): pardon the language but what braindead argument [/b]are you pushing here?

Daviddylan (#334 on: Yesterday at 09:25:20 PM ):[b] Another silly exposure of his own ignorance
                                                                                , What a fool,
                                                                                , The problem is you have no ability to process information.

Daviddylan (#346 on: Yesterday at 10:32:14 PM ): this is what happens when idiots [/b]play video games when they s[b]hld be developing their critical thinking skills. those intelligent enough to understand what i wrote have picked it up. You continue acting like a retarded child.

Daviddylan (#348 on: Yesterday at 10:36:15 PM ): Dumb.

Daviddylan (#350 on: Yesterday at 10:41:29 PM ): , When you're up against dumb anti-religious little kids there's very little you can do besides ignore them.

Daviddylan (#354 on: Yesterday at 11:01:29 PM ): we never run out of[b] idiots [/b]here . . .
                                                                                , undeniable facts like? So nazareth, jerusalem, bethlehem, jericho are all arab names to you fools abi?
                                                                                , the only "clear fact" here is that you're a nuisance

Daviddylan (#359 on: Yesterday at 11:12:05 PM ): Dont be so thick,  
                                                                               , you come across as very daft.

Daviddylan (#415 on: Today at 06:48:07 PM): Seriously, its a waste of time arguing with the mentally challenged.

Daviddylan (#418 on: Today at 06:57:18 PM): What a fool.
                                                                         , .No idiot!

Daviddylan (#441 on: Today at 08:01:16 PM): This is disjointed, senseless reasoning from the ignorant.
                                                                        , Just where do these[b] ignorant toddlers [/b]come from?

Daviddylan (#442 on: Today at 08:01:53 PM ): Sorry idiot . . .

This is exactly how Osama started life as a religious fanatic.
Davidylan, beware you are next headed for a cave to fight civilised people!
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dayokanu:
If I should reply you in like now, You would accuse me of disproportionate response. First shot is always free, Dont bank onthe second one.

FYI, Hamas controls Gaza and they sponsor attacks on Israel daily. Israel has not secure her boundaries by making sure Hamas doesnt get arms to launch at israeli cities.

. . .But you have fired more than enough "first shots" since yesterday, or have you forgotten? I'm only trying my hand at it after 15 pages (and its not nice), so I am excused, thank you.

I don't buy anything to do with Hamas as the reason for killing civilian volunteers in international waters. It just doesn't tie up, where the volunteers members of Hamas?
It is best to have a full United Nations investigation at this point.

Onlytruth: . . .
What is so hard about abiding by a simple convention (a gentleman's agreement)? Why do we always risk being the scapegoat for trying to do the right thing? There is a good chance that Ndigbo may decide to back Jonathan, and he may win in that scenario, but at what cost?
. . .

Gentleman's agreement? No.

The zoning arrangement seen its true light is nothing but the pinnacle of treachery and skullduggery. It was a crude mechanism put in place to pacify the Yoruba after the anullment of the June 12 elections and the prolonged arrest and death of the winner, M.K.O Abiola. That is all it was and it has been fulfilled with the Presidency of Obasanjo.

Senator Kanti-Bello one of the leaders of the cabal has said in print that he wouldn't mind for zoning to be scrapped after 2015 (after a Northerner ahs been in power from 2011). So where does that leave the Southern gentlemen in the gentleman's agreement? Nowhere.

dayokanu:
If Hamas doesnt conduct their struggle responsibly instead they use teenagers for suicide attacks, hide in schools, hospitals and mosques to launch rockets so how does Israel respond.

Isnt it easy to sit down with your bowl of akpu and ogbono soup to criticize the israelis whose wake up alarm are rockets from both Heballah in lebanon and Qassams from Gaza for not acting responsibly.

You are talking stupidly as usual. Did the boats Israel shot people on belong to Hamas? If not, how does the scenario above come into the matter? Is that the reason foreigners were shot? You stun me.

Who cares about Hamas and their struggle as far as this matter is concerned? Do you really know how crazed you sound when you keep bringing up matters that have zero bearing on the topic?

tempest01:
Did you watch the video clip?? Those civilian volunteers were attacking armed officers, what do you expect next??

In civilised societies, commando's would never have been sent in the first place.

This is civilised govts deal with stubborn sea borne activists, job done! No loss of life! No injuries! Israel should learn;

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Kgdavid:
whether the Gaza strip is inhabited by of 1,2,3 or 10 people, the fact remains that everyday as you go about your business in peace, Israeli citizens are scurrying for cover as rockets rain on them

Is that why foreign volunteers were shot in international waters? Seems like a convoluted, self defeating argument to me.

dayokanu:
So what should Israel do to stop friendly rockets being fired at them or should they just live with it?

I replied someone earlier, that I don't care how Israel defends itself, as long as it is done responsibly. Anyway, we are talking about the shooting of civilian volunteers in international waters, not how to shoot down missiles.

Kgdavid:
your clutching at straws there as you evidently have nothing to say again. is 'air attack' a defined term in the dictionary? it simply by interpretation of the rational mind means that airborne attacks are carried out on Israel. surely the rockets qualify as air borne? but what does it matter? does it make the unending assault on Israel any less a threat to the lives of civilians?

A missile attack is not an air attack, ok! Air attacks are carried out by air forces, any other "definition" is borne of ignorance.
If you intend to use military terms, then stick to the accepted definitions. You can't make things up, except you are exagerating matters or you have hopes to slowly manipulate the truth. Homemade rocket attacks, while unnaceptable, do not amount to air attacks.

justjane2:
@Beaf, One question, do you hate Jews?

Seriously, you couldn't have asked a more stupid question. Are you some sort of crazed fanatic?
Why would I hate Jews? Daft.

SKYPO:
My advice to Goodluck is to obey the zoning formula of PDP because an Agreement is agreement full stop. or let those gentle men come together discard the zoning formula as they agreed before.

How will you feel if somebody disappoint you?. Just said the truth and forget sentiment.

So where did South South fall in that "agreement?" Also, if not for the fate, where does the ND fit in the "agreement"? Are they only good for providing oil and not good enough to rule?

Kgdavid:
less jumpy? just what level of jumpiness is considered appropriate when rockets fall on you from the sky daily without fail? desperate times call for desperate measures

Put things in perspective. Lagos has 30 times the population of stone throwing Gaza. . . Fill in the gaps.

davidylan:
Your wikipedia link on UN legal blockade says this - Close patrol of a hostile port, in order to prevent naval forces from putting to sea, is also referred to as a blockade.

the key here is the word "hostile" . . . well if HAMAS isnt hostile then i wonder who else is. Technically Israel maintains a war stance with HAMAS/Gaza and is thus legally allowed to blockade Gaza . . . which is why nations like the US, Britain, china and Russia simply pay lip service to all the frothing from the arab nations on the "illegality" of the "blockade".

I'm sure those nations know something about the blockade that you dont.

You are intent on beer palour logic. The UN is the only body that can legalise a blockade; Israel never approached the UN (like the US did) or any of her neighbours for that matter. Israel acted unilaterally and thumbed its nose at international law. Simple! I don't know why you find it so difficult to understand that.

davidylan:
This is disjointed, senseless reasoning from the ignorant. Israel's embargo on ships sailing directly to Gaza has EVERYTHING to do with its own defence. Having survived 8 yrs of relentless air attacks from Gaza, it stands with reason that Israel will be more than willing to prevent even larger weapons reaching Gaza by sea which is the intent of Hezbollah and Iran.

Stop lying. Gaza has no airforce (or you do not know the meaning of "air attack".

davidylan:
Again i repeat your claim - [size=18pt]The US consulted widely internationally and obtained legal backing for their blockade[/size]

Again i ask - WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THIS CLAIM? No such international legal backing EXISTS! Thursday, Oct 25, 1962 is the date the cuban missile crisis began and it ended 3 days later on the 28th!

Now the US embargo on Cuba STILL EXISTS TODAY and is codified into law by the cuban democracy act that was ratified in 1992. Where is the legal backing for this?

When you finish reading wikipedia pls get back to us on this. thanks.

[size=27pt]What part of check the events of Thursday, Oct 25, 1962 do you not understand? Or will a little reading harm you?[/size]

MyJoe:
You will have to show how preventing Mugabe and his cronies from travelling to European capitals to smile at cameras or even having "all its lines of credit cut" equals inability to trade. At what point was Zimbabwe not able to trade? Is not loaning money to Zimbabwe using the same criteria used for other countries what your pal calls conspiring to strangulate Zimbabwe's economy?

So that is all you think the sanctions are? No wonder the wretched arguments!

MyJoe:
You refuted nothing. And you did not show how the fact Zimbabwe has now started exporting food (a makeshift coalition government is in place and things have started picking up, which is the subject of your thread) refutes my point that being "self-sufficient" (your words) and exporting food qualifies you as a food basket.

Got to leave here for today.

Stop stretching the truth. Tsvangirai has been bought and has no power. In fact he went on a Western tour to defend Mugabe. And for your information, Zimbabwe never stopped exporting food; stop spreading falsehoods, corn is not their only crop.

Kgdavid:
sure let there be a UN investigation. all they will come out and say is that the blockade should end. one question for you beef, how exactly should Israel protect itself? Objectively tell me, given the complete context of the conflict, just what you would like to see from Israel.

I don't care about how Israel protects itself (I'm a Nigerian anyway), as far as it is done responsibly. What we are talking about is the shooting on the high seas. Why expand the matter to Israels defence?

On what I would like to see from Israel? A country that is much more civilised, successful, less jumpy and comes in from the cold.

davidylan:
well since you definitely know this (and can provide wikipedia links on UN embargoes) . . . i wonder why its taking so long to refute me and simply provide evidence of your claims?

Surely there must be sources that can attest to the fact that the US DID OBTAIN legal standing to place a 50 yr old embargo on Cuba that is now codified into law by TWO acts of congress in 1992 and 1996! Which UN body did those 2 congresses consult?

I even gave you a date to check up in an earlier post, once again it is Thursday, October 25 1962. Check it out dude.
If only you would read the material those links point to, you would come out a lot wiser. I mean, seriously wiser! Bro, reading really isn't a crime.

davidylan:
More nonsense. How does this make the US embargo on Cuba since 1960 legal? This is what you said and i quote - The US consulted widely internationally and obtained legal backing for their blockade

My question was simple - PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF OF THIS CLAIM.

Where and HOW does your riposte answer this?   And you're grinning about "exposing ignorance"? with more of your own? Would you also agree that the UN stance on embargoes that you are trying to use as a smokescreen for a 50 yr Cuba embargo by the US also cover Israel too?

Dumb.

Hmmm, maybe because you haven't yet read about it, you don't know that it was brought before the UN Nations on Thursday, October 25 1962 (what could be more international?); also, if you don't read, you wouldn't know that the US consulted with its neighbours too, would you? Funny dude.

bawomolo:
lol i guess the white flag must be the white shirts they are wearing.
Israel overreacted but these flotilla guys didn't help matters with their combative stance.

Shock, horror! A balanced view on this thread!

@MyJoe
What do you call the fact that Zimbabwe has had all its lines of credit cut by Western sanctions and the IMF? How can any nation survive conventionally if it cannot trade?

It seems you are deliberately refusing to think, because your arguments are more like name dropping. I recall refuting your bread basket theories, and unsurprisingly, you have fallen silent on the matter. How about I remind you (just for the hell of it) that Zimbabwe is still exporting food contrary to your unfounded claims?

davidylan:
1. We know quite well that 99% of the "UN investigations" to "Israeli crimes" is instigated and forced through by arab member nations. These are FACTS . . . read up.

2. Iraq has a lot to do with this . . . it is an example of the double standard that pervades the world today. North Korea sank a South Korean ship . . . NO UN investigation. Russia invaded Georgia and clubbed the Chechens . . . no UN investigation, the US invades Iraq . . . no UN investigation . . . uh oh its Israel doing what it has always threatened to do shld it be provoked and we have hypocrites whinning about a "UN investigation"?

Before you start asking questions pls provide proof of your claim that the US obtained LEGAL permission to place a 50 yr old embargo on Cuba that is CODIFIED in US LAW!

You are so funny, exposing ignorance in multiple ways with pride and confidence!
"Since 1945, the UN Security Council determines the legal status of blockades and by article 42 of the UN Charter, the Council can also apply blockades" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade).

Go and read up like I adviced earlier, you really need it (and desperately too).


Do you support a UN investigation?

[size=33pt]Do you support a UN investigation?[/size]

If not, why?

davidylan:
you're expecting facts from beaf? You'll wait till eternity.

Did you support a [size=14pt]UN "investigation" (actually an arab inquest)[/size] when the US invaded Iraq?

Is the UN is now an Arabic institution?
So funny!
What has Iraq got to do with the aid flotilla? Why can't you stick to the topic, instead of plucking things from thin air? Iraq? Damn!

In case you missed it, I asked earlier; "do you support a UN investigation?"

davidylan:
Seriously, its a waste of time arguing with the mentally challenged.

Nobody here made that claim however we have ON VIDEO!

1. Israeli soldiers armed with paintball guns being set upon and beaten with metal rods (that just happened to be lying around), sticks and stabbed with knives with one thrown aboard. All these BEFORE the Israeli soldiers could respond.

If Israel's goal was to kill i'd imagine soldiers would have been shooting long before they got on deck.

2. We have ON VIDEO, "peace activists" chanting ISLAMIC songs about Khaibar and the return of Mohammad's armies . . . what has that to do with "aid"? Or were those videos doctored by the IDF too?

I have come to expect your foul mouthedness to rev up each time you are in a logic bind. Shame!
You are still going on about the claims Israel has made? Well, the World too is concerned and is demanding a UN investigation, which very strangely (considering their version of events) Israel does not want.

As to whether any activists were chanting Islamic slogans, that is entirely their personal business. Do you shoot people for singing?

Do you support a UN investigation?

davidylan:
This is the dumbest lie told here. Who did the US "consult widely"? Please provide proof.

Get off your bum and read up. You'll be more circumspect about citing it once you've educated yourself.

davidylan:
Is this guy for real?   Its all homemade rockets so its ok for Gazans to use it to "defend themselves" (i.e. fire indiscriminately at villagers in Sderot).

Do you compare that with nuclear weapons?

davidylan:
Israel allows food, medical, oil and gas supplies to Gaza on a DAILY BASIS. Egypt DOES NOT!

You really need to listen to the news! Egypt has thrown open the border. It remains open for long periods each day for an indefinite period.

dayokanu:
Can you pls quote where I mentioned Cuban crises on this thread?

Or did you see it just the way u saw activist waving white flags?

My bad, that was davidylan, but you were responding to the arguments I raised to counter him.

Now where did ever I say saw activists waving white flags? Please provide the link and the quote.

Kgdavid:
you say Islrael fired on them first despite clear evidence to the contrary so i ask you:what would Israel stand to gain from shooting unarmed people and why did they stop at only nine?

What are talking about? Your questions do not make the slightest sense.
Israel fired and killed 9 people, thats an accepted fact isn't it?
You seem to be making the claim that the Israeli's were fired upon. The World doesn't quite believe that, so would want the matter investigated by the UN; however, Israel does not want an investigation.

As to your question on what Israel stands to gain from shooting unarmed people; I am neither an Israeli commander nor am I an Israeli policy maker. In any event, contrary to your words, Israel claims the activists were armed with sticks and metal rods. Please ask me reasonable questions.

dayokanu:
Do home made rockets kill? Do you know most weapons used by terrorist are home made? Can you tell us the number of casualties from these 'home made toys"

Charlie, even knives kill. So you are taking an excursion from the point you raised. I will remind you; it was the legality of the Gaza blockade based on the sham example of the Cuban missiles crisis as precedence. That is what you should be defending, but of course, it is obvious even to you, that while nuclear weapons are an existential threat; homemade weapons that are as much a threat to their makers as to their intended targets cannot fall under the description of existential threats (except by gross exageration).

dayokanu:
^^^^

How come you and your folks dont have doubts about videos posted on Aljazeera?

How come you and your people cant still provide evidence where the activists were waving white flags?

Stop talking rubbish. I have not cited any videos of the incident as evidence anywhere, so your claims sound childish. Lets have an international investigation, then we can verify whose video's are genuine and whose might be fake. Whats hard about that?

davidylan:
Israel has CONTINUOUSLY stated what it would do to any ship that dares break the Gaza embargo . . . why the false outrage now?

When the US placed an embargo on Cuba to prevent Russian missiles from being sited 90 miles off the coast of Florida where were you all?

You have started a new day with your spurious comparisons. The US consulted widely internationally and obtained legal backing for their blockade, Israel consulted no one, acted like an outlaw and imposed an illegal blockade.
The issue over which the US blockaded Cuba was existential. . . Nuclear bombs! Whereas, we are talking about homemade rockets that Gazans use to defend themselves and which are not affected by the blockade (the real purpose is to starve the Palestinians).

There are better ways to tackle issues in this modern World than a barbaric recourse to violence and lunacy at the drop of a pin. Indeed, since yesterday, both Egypt and Israel have greatly relaxed the blockade. If that has been the result of the foolish shooting of civilian activists, what exactly was the point of stopping the ships with commando's? Self defeat? Crazy!

Kgdavid:
^ why wont you have doubts about a video that does not portray the "zionist killing machine"? let mne ask, what would Israels reason for firing first be?

Hellooooooo! Must there be some dumb religious colouration to your argument? Can we deal with simple facts here and leave it at that?

In any event, your question doesn't make any sense; the facts are that 9 people are dead; shot in international waters under contentious circumstances. Determining the exact circumstances of the killing is the next task and the reason the UN is asking for an independent investigation. Indeed, an independent investigation is what any moral being would demand.

frosbel:
The Lunatics are those who condemn Israel on all aspects and fronts without taking an unbiased and logical analysis of the real issues and problems.

Finkelstein, a lunatic? Of course it hasn't occurred to you that Finkelstein is a Jew, discussing Jewish business while you who "know" more are a foreigner with next to zero knowledge?

You are the outsider here as far as Israeli affairs are concerned and in no position to challenge Finkelstein with an emotional outburst; especially against a man who is the Worlds foremost expert on Arab - Israeli conflicts.