₦airaland Forum

Mariory:
That is a blatant lie. I did no such thing. Don't try to confuse issues by intentionally misquoting me. What I stated is that life in the West Bank right now is much better than life in Gaza. And the reason for that is Hamas. Pure and Simple. The fact that the only Palestinian supporter state that shares a border with Gaza also closed it's border (except for certain types of humanitarian aid) clearly demonstrates this. You can try to dance around this fact all you want but, there is no getting away from it.

Before Hamas forcefully took over by murdering Fatah members on the streets of the territory, Gaza had an economy, there were european monitors at the border crossings and the border with Egypt was open. Also Fatah had recognised Israel, Several militanats had signed agreements of peace with Israel, some had signed cease fires in order for negotiations to happen on the two state solution, and serious negotiations were going on in regards to the two state solution.

There were still issues with rocket fire into Israel from dissident militants and Israeli restrictions placed on Palestinians in the territories though and of course general living conditions in the territories but, there was relative peace.

Right now the Israeli's can negiotate with Fatah in the West Bank. But a Palestinian state cannot exist without Gaza. And Hams is in control of Gaza. And Hamas does not negotiate on recognising Israel. Thier charter calls for the elimination of Jews. On this premise Israel says it's acting to protect it's citizens by sealing off the territory.

Mariory:
So true. Let us not forget that the Palestinians have two claims to territory. Gaza and the West Bank. The problem with Gaza is Hamas, as indeed Egypt too will testify. They didn't close their side of the border for nothing.

Other issues like Jerusalem, the disputed settlements, the border issues. All can be negotiated upon. Of that there is no doubt. I think we can both agree that Israel is here to stay. Having said that, how do you overcome the problem of Hamas, who insist Israel must cease to exist? That is the problem. Everything else is negotiable in theory.

Plus, why do you ask davidylan to provide a way out of the situation?

Ikomi:
@Beaf

There is going to be a showdown by the looks of it. Israel is caught between a rock and a hard place.

If they allow the ship through it shows Hamas how weak Israel could be, if they don't many activists in the world would come down on Israel. Well Israel brought it on itself by being stubborn, the UN has urged it to peacefully lift the blockade years ago. Lets just see what happens, a few days would answer.

Norwegian military cancels seminar as a matter of principle.

The military has called off a seminar with an Israeli Special forces officer after requests by the Ministry of Defence to remove him from the list of participants.
Full story here

Afam:
I think his only brother was killed as a mercenary in Africa, remember 90 minutes at Entebbe?

Afam:
Where are all these confused religious bigots?

More than 90 minutes of providing the most unbiased commentary on the issue at hand none has dared to type anything? I can imagine the shame and embarrassment some of them are feeling right now.

Pride dey first show face before fall follow.

MyJoe:
^^^ Sorry about my misquote. I have corrected it. I was responding to Afam and had no intention of responding to your post. I think the mistake should have been obvious from what I wrote, but you had to jump on it!

MyJoe:
It suits you to continue vacuously labeling what others write as "ignorant" and "rubbish" since you are clueless and have nothing to say. Anybody can throw words around, but it is another thing to say anything of substance. Nobody asked you for a debate; you were only asked to substantiate your wild claims. What your friend writes is not worth replying and I already explained why it was necessary to respond to you.

Mariory:
Please kindly show where I suggested that and I will answer your two bolded questions. I await your reply. And yes, I have heard of Yasser Arafat.

Afam:
Damn! This is what you get when you combine frustration with desperation. Kpele, drink otapiapia if it will help.

Afam:
You are no different from the fundamentalists you complain about only that you fail to realize this simple fact. How can you hate a people just because they are either Arabs or Muslims? This is wrong and shocking.

frosbel:
Beaf, put your ears into operation again.

Destined for Syria but to be used by Whom ? Hizbullah obviously !!

And just to give you a little lesson in Geography, Syria share a common border with Lebanon. alright !

It is a know fact that Iran supplies Syria with dangerous weaponry which is then shipped through the back door to Lebanon.

Please stop this daftness and wisen up with the facts.

By the way when you call me Christian Al Qaeda , even though we are not blowing up people and maiming innocents, it just shows how shallow you can be sometimes.

See ya later !!

Mariory:
So true. Let us not forget that the Palestinians have two claims to territory. Gaza and the West Bank. The problem with Gaza is Hamas, as indeed Egypt too will testify. They didn't close their side of the border for nothing.

Other issues like Jerusalem, the disputed settlements, the border issues. All can be negotiated upon. Of that there is no doubt. I think we can both agree that Israel is here to stay. Having said that, how do you overcome the problem of Hamas, who insist Israel must cease to exist? That is the problem. Everything else is negotiable in theory.

Plus, why do you ask davidylan to provide a way out of the situation?

Mariory:
So true. Let us not forget that the Palestinians have two claims to territory. Gaza and the West Bank. The problem with Gaza is Hamas, as indeed Egypt too will testify. They didn't close their side of the border for nothing.

Other issues like Jerusalem, the disputed settlements, the border issues. All can be negotiated upon. Of that there is no doubt. I think we can both agree that Israel is here to stay. Having said that, how do you overcome the problem of Hamas, who insist Israel must cease to exist? That is the problem. Everything else is negotiable in theory.

Plus, why do you ask davidylan to provide a way out of the situation?

MyJoe:
Beaf is as clueless as his pal, Afam (who blows hot air about facts and logic without presenting ONE or refuting ONE and who unwittingly questions an interpretation given by his own pal) hence he is chasing red herrings like “food basket”, “dropping names” (as if any name was mentioned out of context) and all that. Who ever said Tsvangirai has any power? And which is it: "Zimbabwe has never stopped exporting food" or "Zimbabwe was stopped from IMF/World/West/whoever from trading"? Anyway, this has gone on enough. I only got angry and replied Afam the way I did because he is often a reasonable man in other matters and so there is no way I could have overlooked his asinine quip that I hold the fort for Downing Street and the other statements he probably picks up from the mouth Mugabe and touts around without a clue what is talking about.

MyJoe:
Brilliant comments here. Just brilliant. One is loath to comment on a thread filled with so much insults, but I should make a few observations.
Maybe I missed it or have forgotten some details and can be enlightened further, but I don’t see how Romeo can say the above highlighted. Powell was nowhere near Mai Lai (the incident) on that horrible day – this is the most important point. Granted he was an officer in an army bizarrely reckoning success by body counts and which shockingly brushed aside Mai Lai, but he was no General making any policies. Granted, also, the “investigation” he headed, like the others conducted by the Army into the incident, was a whitewash. But how does being a member of the unit or leading a sham investigation into the crimes translate to being “a war criminal responsible for the Mai Lai massacre”?
I find 3000 years a bit on the high side, in fact, probably way off by a wide margin. The way I recall it, the nation of Israel arrived there possibly around 1500 BC. They met people living there whom they either killed or drove out or integrated with. Then in 587/586 BC, they were driven out by the Babylonians. They did not return until 537 BC under Governor Zerubbabel, I think. Then in 70 AD, the Romans struck and Israel ceased to exist as a nation until 1948, right?

In any case, I think there will be a lot of chaos about if people were to return to their places of origin just like that. Imagine asking the Oni of Ife to return to Egypt or the Hausa/Fulani of Jos to leave. That is assuming, without conceding, that the children of Israel were the first inhabitants of that place. But the State of Israel is a fact the Arabs will have to deal with. I think even many of those speaking up against Israel’s atrocities here recognise this fact. These words were spoken by a hard line Palestinian militant: “What is all this nonsense about recognising the existence of Israel? Of course, they do exist! They bloody exist on my land!” The problem is not Israel’s existence but the hard line position on both sides. The current circumstances under which Palestinians live is unsustainable, most thinking people would admit. A way out ought to be found out of the stalemate. One of these days Davidylan might tell us how he would go about this.

ilugunboy:
The truth is that going to attend a birthday party on a working day gives an impression of an unserious president. Hey!, this guy should seat more at his desk and hit the ground running like he says.

Jonathan just don't have the luxury of time to engage in mundane things like a birthday celebration on a working day.

pro01:
^^
Thank you. I feel no need to be politically correct when it comes to these irritants.

Afam:
Is there any problem with the intake at NDA as regards these army officers?

The higher you go in the military a lot of appointments become political and there is very little anyone can do about that.

I guess you should focus on addressing early retirements of officers from certain parts of the country.

Mariory:
You should know hypocrisy is not topic dependant. Besides, the two topics were next to each other so it was hard not to point it out.