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babapupa:
edited, it was meant for the olodo beef,

[size=27pt]Your father is an olodo[/size]

FL Gators:
Beaf,

My mistake. . . was reading the words on the cage thing

No probs, I sort of figured that.

[size=27pt]^ Ganges is not in Nigeria![/size]

[quote author=Aloy~Emeka link=topic=358366.msg5008219#msg5008219 date=1259372976]Do you have constructive government presence in your own village?. Nigerians develop themselves with their resources and  hoping on their government is  a far cry. The max you can see is that local government chairman who tried to deny the reporters discoveries before her. Why should such a person offer any help?. May be he is the only educated person from that area and he is using that opportunity to enrich himself.[/quote]I have never seen anything remotely resembling this. But the circumstances in my village might differ radically from what is on display in this video. As for all the excuses given by the officials (LG and health), they were just disgraceful.

I can bet anybody that below all this will lie some financial fraud. That LG man needs to be investigated promptly.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=358366.msg5008205#msg5008205 date=1259372610]stop calling them animals!!! sheesh!!!!!

dont you poop abi whats with the snotty attitude.[/quote]And eat from it and wash dishes in it? Please no!

I said they have regressed to the animal World (and will continue to say so), not that they are animals.

Kobojunkie:
Makoko is NOT a remote village. Neither is Majidun or many other communities along the river side in the state.

So why should excrement become strategic to their existense if not for a collective failure of govts (past and present)?
Why should some of us here have seen the people themselves as the problem and not the Nigerian system? What we have witnessed in that video is a people so marginalised that they have regressed to the animal World.

It is a disgrace and we should kick against it, not defend it.

tpia: btw, someone can come to YOUR house, film you while you're on your toilet, and say the same thing about you- namely that you're living like an animal.

and why would someone film people while they're pooping? Huh

Guess why that would never happen.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=358366.msg5008136#msg5008136 date=1259371460]what lame excuse?

various solutions have been suggested:

- move to another area

- get them mobile toilets

-get them health workers who speak their language

-relocate their open toilet

-educate them on health, sickness and hygiene.

why not add more instead of just complaining.[/quote]Those are shallow solutions at best. In any event, more than one of the residents was interviewed in English and responded in English. The only solution to the problem is a contructive govt presence.

Currently, there is no sign of govt in their lives (they lack every basic human right, water, electricity, health services etc). They are a failure of govt (a very typical Nigerian issue).

This is the problem;

[list]
[li]Shits in the water[/li]
[li]Drinks the water[/li]
[li]Washes dishes in the water[/li]
[li]Uses shit as bait to catch fish[/li]
[li]Bathes in the water[/li]
[li]Shits everywhere apart from just the water, where toddlers put same shitty soil in their mouths[/li]
[/list]

[size=14pt]If this isn't living like animals, tell me what is.[/size]
Something needs to be done instead of the lame excuses that we are getting from apologists here.

sjeezy8:
Dont mind beaf stupid fool as if most thirld world countries arent like that. As a young boy in the delta im sure he pissed in the water and still went fishing,bathing and drinking from it. ode boy

now hes acting like its not common foolish boy

[size=14pt]Your father is a stupid fool and your mother pissed you into the water. Bastard.[/size]

Is it VB or VB.NET you are interested in?

If it is VB.NET, I'll advice that you pick up C# instead, there are tons more resources and opportunities.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/201643_street_beef2_jpg94b456818a559854bcec5f091552dc21

There is no patriotism in eating meat prepared like this.
The patriotic thing to do is make sure such practices are abolished and people jailed.
[size=21pt]There is no excuse for this shame![/size]

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=358366.msg5007841#msg5007841 date=1259365659]my point is its a widespread problem and if it makes you happier let me ask if the reporter wouldnt find similar practices in her own village.

Hygiene and health education are needed, aside from building more toilets.[/quote]It is not widespread, where else do you know of people using the water they have passed faeces into to wash their dishes or bath in or catch fish for supper in? These people need to be saved and arguments that it is common practice only do harm to those innocent babies we saw in the video.
These folk are so poverty stricken that squalor has become a strategic part of their existence, they don't even bother going into the bushes, there was so much poo everywhere that the journalist had to walk carefully. Those folk desperately need to be saved from a subhuman existence.

[quote author=Aloy~Emeka link=topic=358366.msg5007555#msg5007555 date=1259360680]She is telling the truth quite alright but the way the video is titled can be misleading. A foreigner can easily assume that is the normal protocol in Nigeria regarding toilet habits. What does that say about our education as a nation when these people are complaining that language barrier is a big problem for them to mingle with the civilized world?[/quote]It obviously is the protocol where those poor folk live. Those are indegenes of the state who have been forgotten.
We are always too happy to brush things under the carpet in Nigeria; rather than praising the journalist, you and others (the usual crowd) are calling for her scalp. What she has done has saved lives.

The logic here is a bit of a none-starter.

Why can't we agree to do the same with Petroleum and Power? Why do we want to continue suffering under this subsidy. Today oil marketers cannot import as much product as they want or as they have the ability to import, they import as much product as the NNPC is willing to subsidize.  So if there's scarcity of Petrol and Kerosene and the Nigerian market needs 2 million litres of Petrol and 2 million litres of Kerosene, even if the marketers have the funds and facilities to import 4 million litres of Petrol and 4 litres of Kerosene, but NNPC says it only will subsidize 1 million litres of Petrol and 1 million litres of Kerosene, then the marketers have no choice than to reduce the amount of product they will import. It is that simple. SUBSIDY PUNISHES US!

Are we meant to be importing refined petroleum? Don't you think that is yhe root problem? You cannot avoid one fault by creating another and then lavishing attention on its "issues".
If we were doing the proper thing and refining enough for the domestic market, NNPC would not need to subsidise imports and there wouldn't be any scarcity.

afam4eva:
I saw it on the news.

And what were the figures?

No2Atheism:
EDIT:
. . .
Nnamdi Azikwe was rigged into power by the West so as to allow the North to rule Nigeria in other to prevent Awolowo from ruling. This is because Awolowo was seen as a threat to the Western desire to control Nigeria. So if you think the West has been trying to control Nigeria since before independence, do you sincerely think they would just allow what happened in Venezuela to happen in Nigeria just like that. . . you better think again.
. . .

This is the same tribalist clown that includes the Niger Delta and Edo in his maps of Oyo Empire. Why am I not suprised at yet another air headed claim?

Why can't he as a "leader" of his people, find a way to create jobs, opportunities and money for his constituency? Why should that be the FG's problem?

If there was true federalism such idiots will not get time of day. One thing you can be sure of is that his type would be at the forefront of agitating for a new state for his people so they can get free money.

Instead of addressing his own shortcomings as a "leader", he wants to take his anger out on the ND. Na wa!

puskin:
So many ajébotas abound on NL.

ajébotas ke!
. . .Den wen we die of grikpa, we go blame winches.

This is just another woolly policy, but hey, most of us get content with a little wool (especially if coated with crocodile prayers).
Practically all oil producing countries do the majority of oil drilling themselves, how near is NNPC to drilling oil?
Practically all oil exporting countries maximise their profit by building refineries in customer countries, how near is NNPC to managing a single refinery properly?

The question should not be about whether oil companies are forced to build refineries here to cover up for our own failures; we should be asking what needs to be done so that the cabals and other reasons our refineries failed are not projected on any new ones (regardless of who builds them); we should be asking if states that hold oil reserves should not be allowed to build refineries; we should be asking why the vast majority of tooling and equipment for oil drilling is not produced in Nigeria.

transformR:
Very interesting, I must confess I am slightly suprised, but I noticed that its not 100% open-source:  "Microsoft pulled the framework's cryptography libraries and also stripped out its TCP/IP stack because it contains third-party software licensed from EBSnet, wrote Galli."  But its a move in the right direction, the future looks open!

I think you can get open source versions of those libraries as separate downloads (not 100% certain), but I recall that when I downloaded the source code there where suggestions for separate downloads of a tcp/ip stack etc.
The framework itself is under the Apache license.

beaf: I second the teaching of philosophy. We actually went a bit farther than that and studied logic at my secondary school; were interesting arguments were entartained such as, "God is everywhere", "therefore, God does not need to walk around, therefore God has no need for legs". I think if you try such an argument with some of our religious folk, you will get burnt.

SEFAGO:
That is not logic mate, that is speculation . I do second the teaching of philosophy in nigerian universities because it makes you reason out anything b4 u do it- instead of acting b4 u think as many of y countrymen do

Your statement is a study in argument without proof. The philosopher responsible for that premise and deduction was Spinoza (widely recognised as one of the most important philosophers of recent times and included in every worthwhile philosophy curriculum).

What you have just done is completely avoid critical thought. You have reached a conclusion based on feeling, not reason. Sinse we are dicussing critical thinking, how have you managed to avoid deduction? Are you beginning to see our 9ja problem?

[quote author=Yoruba-man link=topic=357618.msg4998834#msg4998834 date=1259224637]see this yeye poster[/quote]Wetin! Na me burn your shop?

Someone asked an important question on critical thinking here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-357020.0.html

There are huge problems with our style of thinking (or lack of). This pictures don't depict normal thought processes.
Thinking is an art that can be taught.

There is a massive fire in Peckham. Several roads are affected, packed cars are reported to be exploding. Check on your loved ones.

Peckham fire: 150 people evacuated after building site blaze engulfs homes
Around 150 people have been evacuated after a huge fire broke out at a building site and engulfed their homes in Peckham, south east London.


By Murray Wardrop
Published: 6:56AM GMT 26 Nov 2009
The block of flats on fire in Carisbrooke Road, Peckham
The block of flats on fire in Carisbrooke Road, Peckham Photo: Nigel Saunders

London Fire Brigade said around 150 firefighters were tackling the blaze which is covering an area half the size of a football pitch.

Residents from flats in several nearby three to four-storey buildings and a pub were moved out amid fears that the fire on the neighbouring construction site was spreading to their properties.

However, the blaze, which was reported just before 4.30am, has since taken hold of the pub and maisonettes on Sumner Road and Rosemary Road.

One person has been taken to hospital suffering from the effects of breathing in smoke. Their condition is understood not to be life-threatening.

Ambulances are on standby but no other casualties have so far been reported from the blaze.

A spokesman for London Fire Brigade said the fire broke out at a building site in Carisbrooke Gardens, with gas cylinders possibly involved.

He said: "The fire seems to have started on a large building site and has now spread to some nearby maisonettes and a pub.

"So we are dealing with lots of scenes of fire, which is making tackling it very difficult. It seems to have spread very rapidly.

"We have around 150 firefighters there who are doing all they can to bring it under control.

"Fortunately there are no reported casualties at this stage and there has been a large scale evacuation led by the police."

Thirty fire pumps were at the scene, along with officers from the Metropolitan Police.

Officers are moving the evacuees to emergency accommodation and several roads in the area have been closed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6658809/Peckham-fire-150-people-evacuated-after-building-site-blaze-engulfs-homes.html

Even in countries much smaller than Nigeria, there are health and quality inspectors poring over goods for sale in the market. For us, anything goes.

I like this one. You sort of step on the meat, clean your legs with the blood, then sell to people.

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=357020.msg4997897#msg4997897 date=1259204049]the above can be put down to general incompetence and corruption by a few in govt,and not the whole nation[/quote]No seriously, it is. The first time it really struck me fully was the first few times I travelled the West Coast (Africa); you would talk to mechanics in Cotonou or Accra and their arguments are informed and logical, the sort you'll never get from our local 9ja mechanics. It is difficult to imagine that our average mechanic can hold his own in a discussion of black politics, but its no problem for his Benenoise or Ghanian collegue.
Over here, one line retorts of, "we thank God", "God will help us" as a solution to every issue is very troubling and points to helplessness seizing hold of our critical faculties.

@paddy_lo

There is nothing wrong with our traditional culture(s) regarding critical thought. It is a problem of the individual; for the average joe, an argument on the street is something to be negotiated with utmost care and the fear of God, lest blows suddenly rain down out of the blue.

Away from the Online World, some practical examples of the areas in which we lack critical thought in governance are;
[list]
[li]Solar energy. Despite being situated close to the equator, we don't see it as an easy energy solution; yet those in cold climates are doing the most they can to harness it.[/li]
[li]Oil and gas. We have sold 100% of our gas supplies until 2016, so that there is no gas for any local power stations.[/li]
[/list]

9jaganja:
Nice thread!!!!

Same goes with politics and other aspects of human civilization. We have republicans and democrats. If the democrats come up with a good idea, the republicans always tries to shoot it down without even checking how good it is. Same in Nigeria, Igbos vs Hausa vs Yoruba vs many others. If an Igbo man says something very important and true, they look at it through tribal/religious spects instead of critically think about what he or she has said. No idea is perfect but some better than others. If a pastor says 1 +1=2 many will jump on the tribal/religious bandwagon before accepting 1 + 1= 2. It beats me how people gets to thinking this way. I might be a male slut and jump from girls to girls but if I say loving someone is very important, many will bag on the fact that I'm a Giovanni Casanova before thinking about what I've said.

I think Philosophy should be made a high school course so more people will get the blessings of logical and critical thinking.

The tribal/religious bandwagon is another reason for our lack of critical thinking skills (tribal/religious bandwagon are themselves, symptoms of something else).

I second the teaching of philosophy. We actually went a bit farther than that and studied logic at my secondary school; were interesting arguments were entartained such as, "God is everywhere",  "therefore, God does not need to walk around, therefore God has no need for legs". I think if you try such an argument with some of our religious folk, you will get burnt.