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lastpage:
Okay, so the conclusion you came to (which seems that is where you did set out to arrive at, at the onset) is that "Yoruba people are fetish"?
Right? Thats your final conclusion?

Okay, we dont need to discuss the issue any further.

Lets move on to something more interesting and less Fetish

End of Story.

BTW: Someone said you had a post in the racism section where you state that "Yoruba Films belittle Christianity"?

Adding that, to this current, Are you planning to "Un-write Yoruba History" just because YOU are a Christian like the rest of us?

Different stories for different folks.
Just "left" the Yoruba people alone. You can exist without them, l think?

Aren't we fetish?

tunnytox:
There is no doubt that the poster is right most Yoruba movies promote babalawos, but do i personally have any problem with this? my answer is NO, the way out of this is simple scanned through any film before watching it if you don't like it don't watch it no be force,  I usually watch yoruba films on youtube whenever I have some time but what I'll alwys do is scan through it first, once it contains any scene of Babalawo, Alfa or even Pastor I'll not watch it , its that simple. What that means is that i end up watching only few Yoruba films.

What I see about all these films is that instead of educating some deluded Nigerians its rather encouraging them to continue to live in ignorance, I believe up to 90% of problems most people take to Babalawo or pastor only requires common sense but a typical Nigerian will attach spritual meaning to anything, it just ignorance

You've just said my mind  @tunnytox.

Thank you jare e.

Dotman01:
I will only answer the questn if d poster can tell me why. . . Richard gere likes to make love in his movie (of wch i believe they av an educated nd more competent producers). . . . Why are  lot of american films show a lot of , crime, scientic - fictions and LIES(Tricks)scenes. . . . 2nd questn [b]who told u your way of worshippin God is d right way, your pastor?. . . . I dnt [/b]think u av d rite to judge or say c&s churches ( am nt a member)are like babalawos. . . . .wat gve u d impression your doctrine is right. . . .like u said earlier this is 21st century.

Love making in movies is permitted as long as there is consent. I retract my statement regarding C&S and do apologise if this is causing any upset.

I don't need any pastor to tell me what to do, ok! By the way, since most of you guys are in favour of babalawos appearing in most youruba movies, I kinda concur with what one poster said, " because they are fetish in nature"

lastpage:
First let me sound a note of caution: If we must discuss this issue (for those that want to discuss it only) let us avoid inflammatory language, no insult to a person, tribe or nationality. We can all educate and learn from each other.
Now, back to the issue.

@Oba444
I appreciate your position very well. Like some will say "See no Evil, Hear no Evil"!

On the other hand, if the foundation is weak, the house built upon it is bound to crumble!

First, l asked, "what is juju"? No one has given me an explanation. I am especially interested in your own explanation, Bee444.

WHY? Reason being that the way we perceive something often affect our behavior or disposition towards it. And we can not discuss something, if we are all referring to different things!
'Juju', Occultism, 'babalawo' all mean different things o me but may mean same thing to someone else.

Caveat: I am not a "Babalawo", l am a follower of Chris'st teachings.
Having said that, except we can define cogent action-words like "babalawo" (something l have tried to explain in my earlier Post), and "Juju" we may all be speaking in different tongues!.

But generally speaking, ignorantly or not, we tend to associate "evil" with "Babalawo" and as such, l am not surprised at what you said in quote above.

But in reality, as l have shown, anyone whomsoever we do not understand their source of power, someone we are afraid of or someone that does things we cannot explain, WE can LABEL them a "Babalawo".

Remember what the Pharisees called Jesus, when they could not contend with his God given power? All sorts of derogatory names, including blasphemy, sorcerer, magician (Babalawo),!

So, i have seen so many Babalawo done very good deeds, mos  powerful among them being Christ! Yea, going by "my" definition!!

You can come-up with your own definition and lets look at the soundness of the logic behind it.
No need to get worried or overly spiritual about it, we are just "seeking knowledge" here, so that as the Bible says, "we can be set free".

"Juju" as l understand, is the "wicked use" of spiritual powers (my Def, once again!) as used by anyone, gifted with such powers.

If Jesus (due respects now) was doing evil with the power and knowledge that God gave him (instead of healing the sick, re-visiting the blind, helping the widows, e.t.c) l would be right to say he was using "Juju", i.e. using incomprehensible (to the lay-man) powers to do evil.

So, the keywords here are "doing Evil". Not the "possession o f the powers itself.

Imagine if Albert Einstein used his knowledge for Evil or Galileo? Imagine if Edison (telephone) or the Wright brothers (Aeroplane) used their knowledge to kill people instead of making life easier? Would l not be right to refer to them as "Juju men"?

So, no point in "giving a dog a bad name so you can hang it".

Again, those of you trying to castigate Yorubas over the phrase 'Babalawo' are just not up to it in terms of knowledge.
Would you castigate yourself (If you are Igbo) because of the phrase "[color=Black]Dibia" which is the exact word for Babalawo (Native Physician/medicine man in Igbo language!)[/color].
Again, we must note that films have to sell and it is not unusual to "exaggerate" the plot of the babalawo so that fans can buy the film.
Some even thought "Fadeyi-Oloro" was real!

i would like to hear other people's opinion and definition (for educational purpose only )
Cheers

@lastpage,

I wouldn't want us to deviate from the topic u know. And I know you're not trying to justify the frequent use of the babalawos in Yoruba movies

I also do have  different meanings in relation juju, occultism and babalawo.

Juju is an object superstitiously revered by people and used as a charm or fetish, while occultism is a mystical or supernatural phenomena or influences. Kinda secret or esoteric and beyond human understanding.

Babalawo literally means father of mysteries. A divination system that represent the teachings of the deities. They determine problems and most times apply spiritual and secular solutions to them. Awo is charged with assisting and training people to attain a particular height in spiritual growth through the use of Ifa.

@lastpage, my post does not in any way disregard nor does it fail to recognize traditional means of solving problems, but rather, it lays emphasis on Yoruba Movies producers and their concentration on babalawos.

Hope u get me!

mrgbite:
insipid and shallow thread started by a simpleton who cant even spell "foul". Go back to school dude or wtf you are,

I won't go on and trade words with you. Your bellicosity isn't for me. If you take a closer look at my first post, I clearly stated I was in a bad mood. I was in a chicken (fowl) mood when writing this topic, hence, the use of[b] fowl[/b] and not 'foul'.

Shalom!

Oba234:
Also, I have noticed you are a strong christian, Abeg, stick to the christian movies. Isn't it a sin to be watching worldly movies in the first place? My parents are strong christian, but you would never catch them watch any nollywood or yoruba movies except mount zion( I personally hate mount Zion), so they don't complain becaus ethey don't know what is going on. Also, why are you belittling other denominations of christianity such as Cele and the rest. This really irks me. Who told your denomination is the right one? Cele believe in what they believe because they believe it will take them to heaven, just like you believe your denomination is right. A catholic is a catholic because that is what they believe is right, a lutheran is a lutheran who because that is what they believe is right. Anglican and episcopal believe their way is the right way, so step off your high horse because the same way your are looking down at other denomination is the same way the other denomination is perceiving your denomination. How you perceive others is the same way others perceive you.

Christianity has got nothing to do with the topic and neither do I like Mount Zion films. And who told that I am a strong Christian? Just someone that doesn't believe too much in seeking the help of a babalawo.

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lastpage:
Bee444,
A lot of peeps have cursed you over this title!
I guess it was undeserved though the title was "so sweeping" that people might take offense!

Now since you asked a question and l believe you did so with an open mind, not to ridicule a nationality, l will try to chip-in my own opinion, as l see it.

First, movies are mostly fiction but where they are not, they may be from a historical perspective.

"Babalawo" are as much of the Yoruba race just as "Dibia" are as much a part of the Igbo race.

Now the phrase "Babalawo" has been used and given a "negative connotation" but in the real sense, as it was in the days of old, they are NATIVE PHYSICIANS, no more, no less.

Dont forget, it is very easy for people to disparage or ridicule that which they dont understand!

Before Christianity came to our land, we sure NEED/HAVE a way of solving our problems, dont we?

The Isrealites of Biblical days had Moses (what more can a Babalawo do than conjure up one snake that swallowed the Egyptian Snakes, point his "magic rod' and the red sea separates into two  , or make a pronunciation and ALL his dissenters get swallowed in an earthquake?)

The word "Babalawo" is a Title given to people who the community believes can help them solve issues/problems that they have, especially when their level of comprehension is a long distance, to what he does or how he does it! To them, its like Magic!! (ignore the dupe-sters in Lagos for now)

I suspect you're a Christian, so l will use a lot of Christian analogy.
Remember when Joshua asked the SUN to stand still, so his army can finish their enemies? If some one did that today, wont we be right to call him a Babalawo, if the person is from the Yoruba race or an Igbo Dibia?

In the sense of doing or accomplishing that which seems ordinarily impossible, anyone could become or be tagged a Babalawo

God has "His ways" of passing knowledge to humans: Some Prophets dream( Joseph, Samuel), Some He speaks to directly (Moses, Jesus, Apostles), some He bestows with knowledge, to sort humans out. In some sense they are all "solution providers"
And if l were not informed, l simply tag them as Babalawos

Even the "Whites" that gave us Christianity, have their own "Babalawo": people like Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Archimedes, e.t.c [/b]who invented what we are benefiting from, today! Electricity, Automobile, Carrier Ships, Telephone, Jet Planes, T.V and Computers, to mentiona few.
Funny thing is that in their days, some of them were persecuted, branded heretics (another derogatory term for Babalawo) and even killed by ignoramus like me and you with a lower faculty of reasoning and understanding compared to them!

Now, Yoruba films tries to reflect the Yoruba culture, among other things. [b]It tries to revive the Yoruba prowess of old.
For example, if you watch the film: Sango, it tries to portray a Yoruba deity that was very powerful as to command Thunder and lightning  and if you notice, our NEPA uses it as its symbol! (Guess thats why we dont have light, Sango has used-up all the electricity )

Now, dont make the mistake of thinking that "People that cherish their culture and traditions are not Godly"

Even in the Bible, God admonished the Isrealites not to mingle with the "heathens" so that they dont dilute their culture and traditions! HE even asked them not to marry from amongst the strangers! So, preserving one's culture is Godly, albeit the good part!

If you dont know who you are and where you came from, How can you know where you're going?

Again, dont fall into the trap that christian faith and culture are diametrically opposed!
Culture simply guided the people's way of life before Christianity came, just like the "Old Testament" guided the people before the "New Testament" came and you cant tell me that Apostle Paul is more acceptable than Abraham, the father of faith!

There are wrong things happening in Christianity today but that does not make everything about Christianity bad.
Same way, there are bad things that happened in Culture/Traditions in those days but that does not make the whole thing bad.

Finally, l can understand that we should not promote primitive/bad ideas of our culture (If thats your grouse).
As Christians for example, we cannot be promoting the despoliation of our enemies, as was the case in the days of the "Biblical Kings".

Same goes with our traditions and cultures, some Yoruba films cannot continue to glorify and amplify issues like "child sacrifice", evil permutations and what have you. These are not unique to Yoruba films after all, American films promote homosexuality, drug use, gun crime, e.t.c

I guess you will agree it is better to promote the good aspect of "Babalawo" (or you just detest them completely?! ).
Believe me, they have good sides, have saved millions of lives in the days when modern medicine was nowhere to be found and pestilence decimated the population.

Please fell free to "change channel" if you encounter an offensive depiction of a Babalawo.

BTW: Do you now that there is a plant which "babalawo" uses to cure skin rashes? And he just squeezes the plant juice and rubs it on your kin and it would clear up  (No anti-biotic, no carcinogenic creams containing mercury et all!).
Do you also know there is another "Babalawo method" that can cure migraine headache, jut by saying a few "words" with the sufferer's head placed against a wall? No tablets/capsule, no side effects, no cost   I know it sound unbelievable.
Now, that is "good babalawo" we should be promoting. Its real, believe me.

Cheers and love to ALL who can appreciate the good in our culture/traditions and do away with the bad side.

@lastpage

While I can not argue that you've made a very sensible case here, I still want to draw your attention to something more relevant to our generation.

I think it is fair to say were it not for that quiet moment of courage by Jesus, most of us would still be rooted and still   practising our ancient and tradition religion. But the maker of the universe has warned us to desist from the use of them.

however, I have never seen a babalawo that does 'good'. The good they think they offer people always backfires and most times leads to death. You get hooked to these people as soon as you start going to them.

Enuff said about babalawo please. Don't want to sound pro-babalawo. I just want our producers to limit the use of them, o pari.

BrOwn*Suga:
Simple

Yoruba without babalawo is Yorubaless

they cannot do without juju, even when they are holdin  special positions in churches they still keep small juju or build shrine as spare tire

those people are so damn fetishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


oya attack

I saw something that bothers me and came out here to air it. Every tribe's got its own issue, so addressing this one shouldn't be an issue. No one is saying tradition should be abolished or neglected, but the continual use of it in almost all the Yoruba movies should be limited.

English movies (Igbo films as some calls it) also do have its own flaws, but they're trying as much as they can to limit the promotion of the so-called herbalists/occults/soothsayers. I do recognize that its part of the tradition, but the rampant use of it in almost all their movies is what is pissing me off.

Don't think any tribe is immune to criticism,and yet despite these imperfections,fallibility and awareness of this failings, I now hope that we'll all begin to reflect and change the status quo rather than allow it.

Some of y'all don't even know my tribe, so stop the beef!

Krayola:
I doubt it's the directors or producers that write the scripts or dictate the story-line . . .  

u might wanna direct your frustrations elsewhere

Producers own and finance movies my dear. They don't have to write the script but can alter them. Some producers even go on to direct same movie. Producers are to blame!

Orikinla:

Yorùbá  movies are among the best vehicles of promoting[b] Yorùbá[/b] Arts and Culture.
Can there be an Ifá without Babalawo?
Or can there be a Yorùbá tradition without Ifá?

with love from
YORÙBÁ DICTIONARY

by Pamela Smith Ph.D & Adebusola Onayemi FRCPC
http://www.yorubadictionary.com/

Mere looking at your name, and the way you decorate your ifa and Yoruba with your mark clearly tells the kind of person you are.

If i'm not mistaken, you belong to the deities!

InesQor:
Krayo baba!

I just dey hail you, nothing dey paa,

@Topic: Stuff of legends and fantasy. As long as they have not identified themselves as Christian Movies, then they are as much fantasy as Harry Potter, and those who want to believe it's true have as much liberty as those who think it's all evil, or its crap, like you do.

I think you should leave and let be.

You dey offend me oo, don't you think this thing is getting out of hands?
Imagine I offend a Yoruba actor/producer/director, would going to a babalawo be the first point of action? I am going to lead a protest for the boycott of this nonsense. Can't allow the generations to come to be part or witness this obsolete act!

lagerwhenindoubt:
Due to our lack of interest in DSTV programming in recent times, my wife has resorted to watching Yoruba movies claiming they are far better than Nollywood Ibo movies. Truly i enjoyed some aspects of Yoruba movies especially the efforts at proverbs and wise sayings. I also noticed that Babalawos are usually the first port of call when one faces any serious or seriousness problem (by the way, they have the most ugly of female actors in yoruba movies)

I doubt you should be angry over the fact that majority of Nigerians especially the Southern parts have very strong traditionalist roots tending towards spiritism and juju culture. Historical origins bear testament to the fact that before Christianity in Nigeria, there were strong African juju-culture. I am not saying that Christianity is without benefits. I just want you to understand that Yoruba movies in such a sense are keeping with reality[b]. The last one I watched this afternoon has a spiritually-caged man seek deliverance from a Christian Cherubim and Seraphim church and was delivered, is that not balance?[/b] The movies do not ridicule Christianity in anyway, they rather serve to strengthen it. after-all Christianity is not a baby anymore and if she cannot stand on her own two feet, then we have a serious problem

Don't know the difference btw a C&S Church and a Babalawo; think they work hand-in-hand. They both give something (soap, powder, sponge etc) in return for deliverance.

Since the Yoruba's tend to be more traditional rather than follow Jesus's teaching, then let them still be and leave Jesus completely out of their movies!

ilosiwaju:
Christian movies are more pathetic for beer's sake. No matter the intrigues, one thing is sure: good defeats evil. The thing is that we all love to see evil defeated but the truth is that it does not always work that way. Politicians swear with bibles and korans while assuming office but they still mess up anyway and some go scott-free; they know the shi.t does not work.
We are africans.


We are not jamaicans for god's sake, ee woju e now. Nonsense!!! Ti ba gba e leti wa gbo GBAO- JJC

The topic is not about Christian Movies and Juju Movies my dear. Its all about the rampant and incessant use of black powers in vectually all Yoruba movies.

Krayola:
@ topic What about $Exx scenes? What do they add to the story line? Does James bond always have to screw the hot badass chik before the movie sweet?

Abeg leave babalawo alone. Na movie. If dem go church una no go complain.

Up babalawo. If u like try me I go send sopona come bite u

What has sex scenes got to do with the topic, you hypocrite?

Tudór:
I laugh in swahili, What a slowpoke.

Excellent spirit in deed. . . The same drunkard who is calling producers primitive ''ode's'' n ''oloshi''. . Wat a loon

I have a bad feelings of you, you're very deep in fetishism!

Obelomo:
I understand what Bee444 is saying I love many Yoruba films, but many emphasis on voodoo, Yemoja,etc. culture, even when it not relevant to the storyline.

God bless you.

Sisi_Kill:
@ OP
Your fowl mood is mild compared to the tolotolo mood reading this trash has put me in.

Can't respond to every idiotic and senseless post u know!

manmustwac:
@bee444
which tribe are you?

Lets not get into that! Just want your honest and sincere opinion about my points.

Tudór:
May god punish u and that empty skull u call a brain. . .why would u shamefully disrespect the culture, traditions, history n wisdom  of our forefathers? Our culture and traditional way of worship is now being described as 'primitive' 'negativity' etc?

Wat is the difference between your bloodthirsty yahweh n our traditional dieties? Did they not both ask for murders, human n animal sacrifice etc?

A typical native yoruba man has a problem and u expect him to ring the pope?
Only an idiot will expect a typical native yoruba man to seek salvation from a dead jewish carpenter who died n decayed over 2000yrs ago.

I'm sure u jesus-slowpoke-jewish- wannabe-nitwits would jump for joy if they were celebrating passover in yoruba movies.

Christian films like mount zion films insult and misinform about our traditional religions all d time. Our indigenous faith are potrayed as evil, wicked, primitive, barbaric etc. The christian always humiliates n belittles the traditionalists in such movies n the whiteman's god always triumphs. Now traditionalists make thier own movies and ninnys are ranting and foaming in the mouth.

If u're uncomfortable with the yoruba culture you can buy mount zion films and watch or better still, burundi is not far, u can always emigrate.

If u lyk vex and kill yourself, nobody gives a damn. Infact Disheartening scum like u are better useful to the yoruba culture dead. Since u cannot add value to our yoruba identity u're better off nourishing our arable land with your carcass.

I only came out here to air my concern and hear people's opinion over same, but not to be abused by anyone.

Your god cannot do anything to me, but my God, the I AM that I AM will recompense you abundantly with your fowl mouth. I refuse to get into any argument with you. I have an excellent spirit and do have powers over every principalities and powers, spiritual wickedness in heavenly places, ruler of the darkness of the world, satanic human agent like you, and I also have dominion over your juju powers and that of your god.

I Am Sick & Tired Of Yoruba Movie Producers/Directors! They Make Me Sick!

I think most of the Yoruba movie producers and directors are uncivilized and lack foresight.   I am in a fowl mood now and ready to bash these so-called primitive people called producers/directors.

I have seen hundreds of their movies of recent, and my Gawd, detest every bit of it! The actors/actress are ok by me , and even most of the story lines are fine. The most annoying part is when every difficult situation the cast face(s) has to lead to a babalawo. The Producers/directors tends to focus your attention to the 'wonderful role' these so=called herbalist play in their lives.

Ogogo and his wife are childless, next thing you see is babalawo. Although they often said they're revealing what most Nigerian does, this is often not the case. The Producer is the brain behind the fetishism, casting shadows of what may or kill his/her people if alternate source is not used.

However, most of the Yoruba actor/producers are Muslims (Yoruba Muslims sees nothing wrong with aajo- alternate source) thereby making the Christians amongst them look rather sheepish or marooned. Murphy Afolabi is one of the worst Yoruba Producer of all time. Always showcasing his diabolical power or most times herbalitical prowess. For goodness sake, does every misfortune in  Yoruba Movies have to lead to consulting a soothsayer/herbalist?

I think its high time we stopped this madness and discourage the use of these babalawo's in almost all the Yoruba movies. What happened to the positive side of things? Don't get me wrong here, I'm not in any way insinuating that some of these things don't happen in real life, but i'm on the positive side of things. Let us boycott their use and be more civilize. Bukky wright (a Muslim) is sick, you see her first with the herbalist, then  Alfa, and finally the Church (Cele or C&S). Any spiritual place that sees vision and give something to use for remedy suit the Producer/director perfectly. These so-called think they're discouraging people from the use of native powers, but in essence, encouraging it.

Yoruba Movies always ridicule the Christian faith but encourages Islam and fetishism (both goes hand-in- hand). I am tired and tired of this non-sense. These people are just too overly cultural and traditional and refuses to see the positivity of Jesus's salvation to their ignorance.

Just waiting for the day I'd catch any of these miscreant; I swear I'll teach them a good lesson. I dey vex, make nobody stop me.

tpia.:
^ is that the only time they prayed in this your church?

in the churches[b] I [/b] know of, the offering prayer many times also includes those who want to give but are unable to.

but your own side is different from mine sha.

I think you still don't get the gist. I'm not talking about general praying session or some random prayers that goes on in the Church, I'm talking about Offering prayers for goodness sake. Don't they pray for offering and tithe in your church? This is the prayer or blessing from the Pastor to those who are either paying their tithe or giving their offering.

I said most Pastors disregard those who do not have!

tpia.:
i've never been to a church where the pastor only prayed for those who gave money.

if you're in such a church then waka if your mind no dey there.

and mind you, i'm in no way saying all churches are kosher.

I demand you started paying closer attention to 'Offering time'. You'd be amazed!

Aproko:
me sef i'm disappointed, but most of all, I'm disappointed that you even give the issue more thought than it deserves. the pastor doesnt bless you, God does. who says all those that have givenoffering and tithes get blessed when the Pastor prays for them? my dear, you better think again.

My dear, I believe its worth given a thought over, can't tolerate this attitude in the house of God.

Have you ever been to Church without your offering or tithe, and still expecting your Pastor to pray for those who do not have? Your disappointment was later confirmed when your Pastor prayed for only those who had either payed their tithe or offering.

This is a trend that happens not only in your Church, but every where. Pastors are biased and sometimes discriminate between the rich and poor and between those that give or those who do not have.

Pls note, before posting this topic, I did a bit of research within the Church circle and found out that a lot of people are also concern about the Church or Pastors attitude.

Don't get it wrong, they do pray for those who do not have once in a while, but overall, they take delight in neglecting these set of people often.

I for one have experienced a lot of this in my Church, and often been let down by my Pastors.

Maybe through rushing to Church you forgot to take your wallet from the previous clothe you had on, and at the end, you missed out on the blessings. Or perhaps you don't have anything to give for that day, would that constitute deprivation from your Pastor to omit you from the offering blessings?

pls have your say,

chakula:
ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE WORSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST IS IDOLATRY!TO WORSHIP JESUS AS GOD IS TO WORSHIP AN “ICON”!

A visit to almost any place of worship will reveal how many religious people have elevated creatures (humans or otherwise) above the Creator. How so? By their image and icon veneration and their worship rendered to Saints, Madonnas, Crosses, some with and images of Jesus. (See Psalm 115:2-8; 2 Corinthians 5:7; 1 John 5:21).


Can God, who “is spirit,” (John 4:24) and “invisible” (Colossians 1:15) be represented by a man made material image (or anything)? No. Regardless of how imposing an icon may be, it can never match the glory of God. So an manmade etc. image of God could never be a representation of him. (Romans 1:22, 23) Would a person be ‘worshiping in truth’ if he approached God through some man-made icon?



The Bible states of Jesus Christ at 2 Cor. 4:4:



“… that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image (Gk.“eikon”) of God, might not shine through.”






Colossians 1:15

He is the image (Gk.“eikon”) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;



Icon n. (also ikon) 1 painting of Christ etc., esp. in the Eastern Church. 2 image or statue. 3 symbol on a VDU screen of a program, option, or window, esp. for selection. iconic adj. [Greek eikon image].”-Oxford Dictionary


“image —n. 1 representation of an object, e.g. a statue. 2 reputation or persona of a person, company, etc. 3 appearance as seen in a mirror or through a lens. 4 mental picture or idea. 5 simile or metaphor. —v. (-ging) 1 make an image of; portray. 2 reflect, mirror. 3 describe or imagine vividly. be the image of be or look exactly like. [Latin imago imagin-].”-Oxford Dictionary

@poster, I'd suggest you shut it if you don't know anything about the Bible,ok! It's not by force to start a thread.

Look for something more creative and logical. You're a Catholic, I know you

Can anyone pls send me a university/polytechnic personal statement in gaining admission in to a law degree.

You can copy and paste it.

heryyy:
I just rang her phone now for permission and she insist i shouldnt cos she is too scared of her mom and doesnt wants to put her mom into any trouble,she said her mom has apologise and has promise to stop this as soon as the house is complete meanwhile she has promise to give her £60 from her salary,i am still not yet satisfied about this,she is coming to my place today,i will convince her more and i will show her this thread to read people's view and oppinion, Thanks

You can send me your number via my email in my profile. I don't want your GF's number o, i no wan make u come accuse me later say I don snatch your girl oo .

I'll call u as soon as I get r number.

Later