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KunleOshob:
So how does this relate to the weekly / monthly monetary tithes pastors ask you to pay And if you want to be truthful verse 26 of the passage you posted instructed the tither to EAT his tithes in the presence of God with his family.

at that time they were mainly into farming and you know what that means.

Any way have this research with biblical backups.

TITHE
A tenth, the proportion of a man's income devoted to sacred purposes from time immemorial, Ge 14:20; 28:22. This was prescribed in the Mosaic law, Nu 31:31. A twofold tithe was required of each Jewish citizen. The first consisted of one-tenth of the produce of his fields, trees, flocks, and herds, to be given to God as the sovereign Proprietor of all things and as the king of the Jews, Le 27:30-32; 1Sa 8:15,17. The proceeds of this tax were devoted to the maintenance of the Levites in their respective cities, Nu 18:21-24. A person might pay this tax in money, adding one-fifth to its estimated value. The Levites paid a tenth part of what they received to the priests, Nu 18:26-28. The second tithe required of each landholder was one-tenth of the nine parts of his produce remaining after the first tithe, to be expended at the tabernacle or temple in entertaining the Levites, his own family, etc., changing it first into money, if on account of his remoteness he chose to do so, De 12:17-19,22-29; 14:22-27. Every third year a special provision was made for the poor, either out of this second tithe or in addition to it, De 14:28-29. These tithes were not burdensome; but the pious Israelite found himself the richer for their payment, though it does not seem to have been enforced by any legal penalties. The system of tithes was renewed both before and after the captivity, 2Ch 31:5,6,12; Ne 10:37; 12:44; 13:5; but they were not always regularly paid, and hence the divine blessing was withheld, Mal 3:8-12. The Pharisees were scrupulously exemplary in paying their tithes, but neglected the more important duties of love to God and man, Mt 23:23.

The principle of the ancient tithes, namely, that ministers of the gospel and objects of benevolence should be provided for by the whole people of God, according to their means, is fully recognized in Scripture as applicable to the followers of Christ. He sent his servants forth, two and two, without provisions or purses, to receive their support from the people, since "the laborer is worthy of his hire," Mt 10:9-14; Lu 10:4-8,16. Paul also reasons in the same way, 1Co 9:13,14; Ga 6:6. For purpose of piety and beneficence, he directed the Corinthians, and virtually all Christians, to lay aside from their income, on the first day of the week, as the Lord had prospered them, 1Co 16:2. There is no reason to doubt that the early Christians gave more freely of their substance than did the ancient Jews, Ac 4:34-36; 2Co 8:1-4.

I am not a fool coz it is only a fool that believe God doesnt exist.

Ps 14:1 ¶ The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.

Kunle,

Concerning the firstfruits i have done this research and i found found this commentaries with biblical backups.

Maybe the bible might still be deceiving you just as the pastors are (according to you).

FIRSTFRUITS
Presents made to God of part of the fruits of the harvest, to express the submission, dependence, and thankfulness of the offerers. The portion given was instead of the whole, in acknowledgement that all was due to God. They were offered in the temple before the crop was gathered on the fifteenth of Nisan, in the evening, and threshed in a court of the temple. After it was well cleaned, about three pints of it were roasted, and pounded in a mortar. Over this was thrown a measure of olive oil and a handful of incense; and the priest, taking the offering, waved it before the Lord towards the four cardinal points, throwing a handful of it into the fire on the altar, and keeping the rest. After this, all were at liberty to get in the harvest. When the wheat harvest was over, on the day of Pentecost they offered as first fruits of another, in the name of the nation, two loaves, of about three pints of flour each, made of leavened dough, Le 23:10,17. In addition to these firstfruits, every private person was obliged to bring his firstfruits to the temple, but Scripture prescribes neither the time nor the quantity.

There was, besides this, another sort of firstfruits paid to God, Nu 15:19,21; Ne 10:37: when the bread in the family was kneaded, a portion of it was set apart, and given to the priest or Levite of the place; if there were no priest or Levite, it was cast into the oven and there consumed.

Those offerings are also often called firstfruits, which were brought by the Israelites from devotion, to the temple, for the feast of thanksgiving, to which they invited their relations and friends, and the Levites of their cities. The firstfruits and tenths were the most considerable revenue of the priests and Levites.

Christians have "the firstfruits of the Holy Spirit," Ro 8:23; that is, more abundant and more excellent gifts than the Jews; these were also a foretaste of the full harvest. "Christ is risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept," 1Co 15:20, the forerunner of all those who, because he lives, shall live also, Joh 14:19.

KunleOshob:
@Benedicta
I thought by now you would have taken up my challenge and shown me where in the scripture rapture is evidently you don't know or understand what you beleive in, you just dey follow pastor

I have this for you Kunle:
Tit 3:9 ¶ but shun foolish questionings, and genealogies, and strifes, and fightings about law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Sorry i know what i belief and through the grace of God i will hold the little i belief and pray to know more. Sorry i cant discuss this vain talk any further so that i dont grieve the Holy Spirit by mistake.

CHRISTIANS
A name given at Antioch to those who believed Jesus to be the Messiah, A. D. 42, Ac 11:26. It seems to have been given to them by the men of Antioch as a term of convenience rather than of ridicule, to designate the new sect more perfectly than any other word could do. They generally called each other "brethren," "the faithful," "saints," "believers;" and were named by the Gentiles, Nazarenes and Galileans. He only is a real Christian who heartily accepts Christ as his teacher, guide, and master, the source of his highest life, strength, and joy, his only Redeemer from sin and hell, his Lord and his God. They who rightly bear Christ's name and partake of his nature, and they only, shall finally share in his glory.

LIFE
In the Bible, is either natural, Ge 3:17; spiritual, that of the renewed soul, Ro 8:6; or eternal, a holy and blissful immortality, Joh 3:36; Ro 6:23. Christ is the great Author of natural life, Col 1:16; and also of spiritual and eternal life; Joh 14:6; 6:47. He has purchased these by laying down his own life; and gives them freely to his people, Joh 10:11,28. He is the spring of all their spiritual life on earth, Ga 2:20; will raise them up at the last day; and make them partakers for ever of his own life, Joh 11:25; 14:19.

ADULTERY
Is a criminal connection between persons who are engaged, one or both, to keep themselves wholly to others; and thus it exceeds the guilt of fornication, which is the same intercourse between unmarried persons. As the highest sin of its kind, and son including all other sins of the flesh, it is forbidden in the seventh commandment. Where polygamy was allowed, as among the ancient Jews, illicit intercourse between a married man and a woman who was married, nor betrothed, constituted not adultery, but fornication.

Fornication may be, in some sense, covered by a subsequent marriage of the parties; but adultery cannot be so healed. Hence God often compares himself to a husband jealous of his honor, Jer 31:32; and hence the forsaking of the true God is compared to fornication and adultery of the vilest kind, Jer 3:9; Eze 23:36-49.

By the Law of Moses, both the man and the woman who had committed adultery were punished with death, Le 20:10; 21:9; Joh 8:5. A woman suspected of this crime might, in order to clear herself, drink the "water of jealousy," as prescribed in Nu 5:1-31.

eghosaobas:
its not biblical,as far as i have gone in the bible,its good to thank God but to take yams and cows to the church for the pastor,i dont think that is biblical.

Le 7:12 If he offer it for a thanksgiving, then he shall offer with the sacrifice of thanksgiving unleavened cakes mingled with oil, and unleavened wafers anointed with oil, and cakes mingled with oil, of fine flour soaked.
Le 7:13 With cakes of leavened bread he shall offer his oblation with the sacrifice of his peace-offerings for thanksgiving.
Le 7:15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace-offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten on the day of his oblation; he shall not leave any of it until the morning.

Thanksgiving is biblical.

eghosaobas:
some people doesnt undewrstand this bible,thats why they are beign decieved by these pastors.

De 14:22 ¶ Thou shalt surely tithe all the increase of thy seed, that which cometh forth from the field year by year.

there are still miracles, trure ones from Christ Himself that is why he said: Joh 4:48 Jesus therefore said unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will in no wise believe.
but there are also fake one coz Jesus also said: Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

[quote author=Bleep-You link=topic=239306.msg3520629#msg3520629 date=1235687126]2 TIMOTHY 2:11

It states a woman should be silent in Church;

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection"

2 TIMOTHY 2:11

"But i suffer not a woman, nor to usurp authority over the man but must be SILENT


Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silent in Churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but they are to be submissive as the law says"

Corinthians 14;35

"And if they want to learn something, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is shameful for women to speak in churches"

Now what would make a woman speak in church talkless of her becoming a so called pastoress or deacon when the "god almighty jehovah" has commanded that women should shut up in churches because it is very very shameful to speak in churches

How can i ever respect a so called female pastor whatsoever when the bible has said that she has to be submissive to a man to shut up and learn from him.

All these hypocritical churches that have women as pastors and those clowns that worshipped Bimbo Odukoya are all going to Hell because they have defiled the words of god

And when i say the bible is a very very daft and foolish book, christian apologists will be angry. No other book would encourage such blatant chauvinistic thinking and subjugation of women, yet women are the densest fanatics of this stupid book called the bible!

What a freaking Mind job!

Deacon ko, Deacon Ayo Oshitelu ni![/quote]Let me give you one
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Rom.16:1-2

sparta:
If i can wash his, then he can wash mine, big deal.

I agree with you afterall if he can finger her he should be able to wash her undies.

DEACONESS
Such women were called deaconesses as served the church in those offices in which the deacons could not with propriety engage; such as keeping the doors of that part of the church where the women sat, privately instructing those of their own sex, and visiting others imprisoned for the faith. In Ro 16:1, Phebe is said to be a "servant" of the church at Cenchrea; but in the original Greek she is called deaconess.

Ps 14:1 ¶ The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.

Divorce
The dissolution of the marriage tie was regulated by the Mosaic law (Deut. 24:1-4). The Jews, after the Captivity, were reguired to dismiss the foreign women they had married contrary to the law (Ezra 10:11-19).

Christ limited the permission of divorce to the single case of adultery. It seems that it was not uncommon for the Jews at that time to dissolve the union on very slight pretences (Matt. 5:31, 32; 19:1-9; Mark 10:2-12; Luke 16:18).

These precepts given by Christ regulate the law of divorce in the Christian Church.

Be it Greek, Jews or whoever except you are born again Jesus said such a person can not see or enter into Heaven.

Jesus said to him, Truly, I say to you, Without a new birth no man is able to see the kingdom of God.

Jesus said in answer, Truly, I say to you, If a man's birth is not from water and from the Spirit, it is not possible for him to go into the kingdom of God.

atutupoyo:
Questions:
1. A Christian lady who is the second wife is she legally married before God or is she leaving in Adultery?

A second wife is a thief. She has come to steal from another woman therefore she is commiting adultery and the marriage is not legal before God. Moreover, no true christian lady would do that.

atutupoyo:
Questions:
2. If a man marries more than a wife and then becomes a born again Christian, is he to divorce the other women?
pls I need Ur contributions and where applicable, bible verses to back up.
thanks.

Yes he needs to divorce the second wife. But, if she has children already, then the man should see to the welfare of the children.

annyplenty:
The bible warns not to call anybody a fool.

why cant you pick your bible and check out those verses he has quoted by yourself and then pray for explanations

the bible also said:

Pr 12:15 ¶ The way of a fool is right in his own eyes; But he that is wise hearkeneth unto counsel.

Pr 18:2 ¶ A fool hath no delight in understanding, But only that his heart may reveal itself

Pr 18:7 A fool's mouth is his destruction, And his lips are the snare of his soul.

Pr 19:1 ¶ Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity Than he that is perverse in his lips and is a fool.

Pr 19:1 ¶ Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity Than he that is perverse in his lips and is a fool.

Ps 14:1 ¶ The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.

these are just few cases where the bible refers to one as a fool.

Anyone that doubts the bible or God Himself is a FOOL.

Rom. 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
(KJV)

anyything that destroys the temple of the Lord is a sin. Smoking is not good for the body so the temple of God which is your body.

Therefore, smoking is a sin and all sinners shall find themselves in hell.

hubreality:
I have carefully observed that all the accusing and slandering threads on various ministers of the gospel are raised and fueled by the atheists in the forums. I know very well that they atheists do not believe in the Lordship of Jesus and the existence of God "Jehovah" despite their quoting the scriptures. My question is why are they worried about what they do not believe that exists?

Beware! These threads are designed and geared towards making you as a believer doubt and argue on the integrity of God's word. Never think that they're protecting and defending the course of Christianity and God.

It's interesting! Nothing can be truer the truth. Jesus is Lord and the word of God(Scripture) works!

Let God be true and all men liars. The heart of men are full of deceits. The Word of God is Truth and His Way is perfect.

God bless you, Poster.

All you mockers be warned or get God's wrath

Kunle

stop confussing people or you get the wrath of God

Poster,

i dont have the time to go through all the replies, but i will say you are the greatest and biggest fool i have ever come across.

You would have asked who created God Himself since He is the creator that was not created.

You are a fool to doubt the bible.

Instead of you as a young christian to seek for the knowledge of God you are busy seeking the contradicting part (according to you).

You are not yet a christian, you need to be born again, again.

Dont you know for you to follow Christ means to be like a child who just believes whatever he is told by his parents without arguing?

[quote author=I-fy link=topic=238797.msg3509105#msg3509105 date=1235487248]Christians worship God the Almighty.

Members of certain denominations defend their pastors when you want you want to speak nonsense against them. Remember, this is not worship.

No child would allow another child to inflict insults on his father. These pastors are the spiritual fathers of their members.

Yes, most of the Christians are crazy about their pastors, because they (pastors) show them the way to salvation. They brought light into their lives.
BUT,
All worship goes to God Almighty.[/quote]God bless you.

@Kunle,

Kunle, oh Kunle,
The faith that you have, keep it between yourself and God (Rom. 14:22) Since you are strong in faith, pls do not destroy the one that is weak in faith. "As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not quarrel over opinions" (Rom.14:1). Let no one who eats despise the one who absstains, and let no one who abstains passes judgment on the one who eats (Rom.14:3).

Dont twist the scriptures to cause the weak in faith to stumble so as not to destroy the work of Christ.

If you make yourself a hindrance or stumbling block in the way of a brother/sister and thereby destroy the one Christ has died for, you may just be fighting a fight that you may not be able to stand alive bcoz this means the death of Christ for anyone you may be misleading here will be for vain and Christ doesn't joke with such.

Be warned.

@Kunle, @ Poster,

What do you understand by the word CHRISTIAN?

oluwdashmi:
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@kunle

Do you read the old testament at all? If you do, then you must practice somethings in it. If the old testament is not to be practiced, we would have been told to ignore it and it wouldn't have been compiled with the new testament. Remember that Jesus came to amend the old testament, not to abolish it.

Be careful the way you interprete the bible. Churches are what they are today cos everyone wants to twist the bible to his own taste and comfort. Everyone wants to apply man's/fleshy knowledge to the things of the spirit.

Ask the Holy Spirit for interpretation after reading any passage and be calm, expect him to speak and he will do so cos that is his work.
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Thank you tell Kunle for me oh.

KunleOshob:
You just displayed a very weak knowledge / understanding of the bible and demonstrated the weakness of your faith in Christ Jesus. Did Christ or the apostles preach any of the rubbish you stated above (cos being a christian means following his teachings and not old testament traditions) even in the old testament money was NEVER used to pay first fruit/ tithes. Bringing out certain aspects of the over 600 mosaic laws and twisting them to suit the greed and thirst for filthy lucre of a so called pastor is plain evil. Why don't pastors encourage burnt offerings today, or why aren't people stoned to death for certain sins anymore? truth be told these pastors are just picking/ choosing and twisitng what suits them in the old testament and bringing it into christianityafter the apostles have clearly told us that as christians we are not under the mosaic laws. HEBREW 7: 11-18

Kunle,
Thank God that i have a very weak knowledge/understanding of the Bible and that is why by His grace i am still in faith for Him to strengthen me. I dont want to be the PHARISEES meaning (Too far to see) and the SADDUCEE meaning (To sad to see). i will never apply wisdom to His directives.

Anyway, for whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the scriptures we might have hope. Rom. 15:4
And remember Jesus did not come to erase the law but to fulfil it.

Be wise Kunle.

Run away from home and make the biggest mistake of your life.

Before you start discussing all listed above always remember that Love is not always enough to carry you through in marriage.

Dont try to apply wisdom when it come to God's word. If He says pay your tithe so that it will not be tight for you it is for your own good. If He says give your first fruit it is for your own good. So doing He will drive devourer for your sake. Dont apply wisdom in God's words bcoz He uses the foolish things of this world to shame the wise.

The Bible says the natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to undersetand them bcoz they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor. 2:14.

NOW
First fruits is your very first income if you just got that job. It is not yours but God.

It is your very first month of the year (January) income ( either as a salary earner or business man).

And again, in case your salary is increased the difference in the salary is also your first fruit.

spikedcylinder:
If you really want to give out your salary, why not hand it over to charities and motherless babies? God is sure to approve of that as well? No?

God does not make mistakes when He speaks. When He said bring to my house that there may be food in my store house He didnt miss the words.

huxley:
Absolutely true. But it gets better - you are also required to give 10% of your salary each month so that the pastors can afford sharp suits, cars, luxury homes, etc. How is that for pleasing the Lord?

This is none of your business just do as God has directed and let God do the judging.

tpia:
in parts of Nigeria, the "first fruits" i.e first salary, gets offered to the parents or whoever raised the person.


thats what someone told me.

That means these set of people are more important than God.

Be wise.

[b][/b]DONT ANALYSIS THE DIRECTIVES OF GOD OR YOU BECOME PARALYSED.

Siena:
Bro, this topic's been done to death - probably at least 10 threads in the last couple of years.

Sometimes, it's best to do a search before hand, to avoid duplicates.

DeltaVAG^TM

for the benefit of some others that were unable to contribute then.

But altleast the second question was not treated.

Pls treat that.